Our main/only CO we have two 100 lb tanks and a 22kw Cummins. It tests twice a month. We had it filled 2 years ago tomorrow. The level hasn't changed.
If they're topping it off twice a year, are you actually getting fuel put in there? Or are they just checking? I'd be surprised that an exercise consumes a noticeable amount of fuel. On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 12:32 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: > On one of my small C.O.s I have a 20 kW generac and a 500 gal tank. They > top it off twice a year. It exercises once a week. I have a week or more > of runtime out there. Along with solar panels. Not worried too much about > a power outage. > > > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, December 6, 2024 10:19 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps > > $3.60/gal is similar to the current price of gasoline, so that jives with > what I remembered from the past at 2-something per gallon. > > I'll stick to what I said, $3.60/gal + a couple of little fees is worth > every penny to know the tank is always full. And if it ever ran for an > extended outage, I could just call them to get it refilled and not have to > tie up our own labor swapping tanks. > > -Adam > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Zach Underwood < > zunder1...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 5, 2024 5:40 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps > > God I wish it was $1.6 per gal. > Here is from a Delivery I got in mid October here in SC > 34.3 gal x $3.60 per gal = $123.45 > Hazmat fee = $13.62 > Fuel Recovery fee = $7.96 > 34.3 gal for a total of $145.03 or $4.20 per gallon. > Only thing I have on the 100gal tank is tankless water heater and 5kw > backup generator. > > We lost power for 5 days after Hurricane Helene and we ran the generator > for 18 hours a day (turned off at night) we avg about 8-10 gal of propane > per day. > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 5:28 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > When I was directly involved in that it was around 2016, and it was > $2.something a gallon. I remember remarking to myself that it was close to > the gasoline price (at the time). I think the tank was 500 gallon and they > fill it to 400 or some such, I'm sure it would have lasted a week if we > needed it to. Regardless of the price, it's worth every penny to just know > the tank is always full and that we have so much of it. I'd pay double the > market rate for propane to get that (but I won't tell the fuel company > that). > > And yes, to Ken, this would only make sense for a permanently installed > standby generator, and one where the propane truck can get to it. > > -Adam > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Mike Hammett < > af...@ics-il.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:49 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps > > That's a really good idea, just outsource the whole problem to someone > else, assuming that someone else will be able to accommodate where it is. > > How does delivered propane compare in price to DIY? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Thursday, December 5, 2024 11:20:51 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps > > You could start it up on a warmer day to rule out a regulator, air filter, > or whatever. But yeah it certainly could be the cold. > > I'm sure I've seen tank heaters somewhere, but you know the best thing I > ever did for myself on these things was get an account with a gas company. > They supplied a massive tank at no charge. We just pay for fuel, and they > come top it up twice a year (or on request). The first fillup was > expensive because it was just a crapload of propane, but after that it was > a minimal charge twice a year as long as the generator had only been > exercising. Obviously, it's more money if you actually had a power outage, > but you'll be buying the gas either way and it's just easier if someone > else takes care of it. And freezing won't be an issue. If they know what > they're doing they'll ask you about the fuel consumption of the generator > and size the tank appropriately for the vaporization in cold weather. > > You can't do that if the gas truck can't drive up to the site, but as long > as that's not an issue then it would behoove you to call around and see > what you can get from a local gas company. > > -Adam > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Nate Burke < > n...@blastcomm.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 5, 2024 11:12 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps > > Many years ago, I think Chuck had posted an excellent chart showing > Propane tank sizes, and the offgas rate at different temperatures, but I > can't find it anymore, and my Google results don't show what I think it > was. > > We have several 2000-2500w Champion Dual-Fuel Generators that have been > working flawlessly for us with propane. Last night was the first time I > think that I deployed one in Cold temperatures though. We were about 13 > degrees last night. I have it on a 30# tank, and it fired right up, and > ran for about 5 minutes, then turned off. Fired it up again, and it ran > for 2 hours and shut off. Propane tank was nearly full, but I'm > wondering if it was too cold for the propane. Back-of-the-napkin math > says that possibly it was. Working out some numbers based on run > times@60F, it looks like it might draw about 14kbtu/hr At 10 degrees, > it looks like a 30# tank will only do about 13kbtu/hr. Would a heater > blanket work And/or provide enough heat to offset the lower > temperatures? Or just stick with Gas for the winter. We're warming up > now, so won't be able to test until it gets cold again. > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA) > My website <http://zachunderwood.me> > advance-networking.com > > ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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