If it's a large quantity of diesel fuel, I have heard there are companies that will come out and filter/clean it on site refresh the additives and leave you good to go for another however long it takes for that to happen. That and cold weather performance are why we've done natural gas and propane for our backup generators. There's also risk of theft with Diesel to worry about.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 6:33 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > Reminds me of one of my Dad's stories. He worked on HVAC controls at > Cornell University. During a planned power outage they rolled out a huge > diesel generator from storage to power up one of the buildings and couldn't > get it to stay running. Being a former Navy Fireman (which, for historical > reasons is what they called the engine room technicians) he was well aware > of algae in diesel fuel and advised the electricians to check the fuel > filter. Sure enough the fuel filter was clogged with that crud. > > I'm not sure what your final recourse is when that's happened. Do you > just keep cleaning the fuel filter while you burn off the tank and then add > clean fuel with algaecide? Or do you have to do something to clean out the > tank? > > -Adam > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Ken Hohhof < > khoh...@kwom.com> > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2024 4:44 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps > > > I didn’t think about the possibility of a buried fuel tank. I know the > generator is inside the prefab concrete building, with an equipment side > and a generator side separated by a firewall. I haven’t been inside, I > just assumed the fuel tank was by the generator. > > > > I have been seeing outdoor commercial Generacs sitting on top of what > looks like a black steel riser but it’s a diesel tank. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2024 2:52 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps > > > > I would guess the tank is underground, but I really don't know. The > shelters I've been in didn't have a tank inside. > > > > From what I gather from the climbers and with the rate of changing > equipment out, the site owners are having the tower climbers take > pictures/check the site regularly so they aren't paying for two trips. > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 3:41 PM Ken Hohhof <*khoh...@kwom.com > <khoh...@kwom.com>*> wrote: > > Is that why I see the Verizon cellsites with a diesel generator but the > fuel tank is inside the shelter? Also, in addition to having contractors > come periodically and service the HVAC system, I’ve seen guys there doing > something with the fuel probably Chuck’s anti-critter additive? > > > > *From:* AF <*af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>*> *On > Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2024 1:47 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <*af@af.afmug.com > <af@af.afmug.com>*> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps > > > > That's my point :) > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 2:46 PM <*ch...@go-mtc.com <ch...@go-mtc.com>*> > wrote: > > You have to heat it too, it will gel. > > > > > > > > *From:* Josh Luthman > > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2024 12:34 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps > > > > Because when it's -10F diesel doesn't have issues? > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 11:42 AM Mark Radabaugh <*m...@amplex.net > <m...@amplex.net>*> wrote: > > Looked at Propane as a backup for our data center and its 125KVA > generator. > > > > I believe I calculated needing three 1000 gallon tanks as -10F or > something goofy like that to get enough vapor flow. Other option was a > propane vaporizer that burned propane to vaporize liquid. > > > > Yeah, just went with a diesel base tank. > > > > Mark > > > > On Dec 7, 2024, at 12:03 AM, Chuck <*ch...@go-mtc.com <ch...@go-mtc.com>*> > wrote: > > > > It is the lack of sufficient vapor, and it is a thermal runaway situation > with small tanks. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Dec 6, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Ken Hohhof <*khoh...@kwom.com > <khoh...@kwom.com>*> wrote: > > So is the problem ice or liquified propane in the hose and regulator? > > Or insuffient vapor pressure in the cold tank? Noting that vaporization > will make the tank contents even colder. > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Robert" > Sent: 12/6/2024 8:46:32 PM > To: *af@af.afmug.com <af@af.afmug.com>* > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps > > *https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XG9DN74/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 > <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XG9DN74/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1>* > > On 12/6/24 6:03 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > > What about those wires that you wrap around a pipe and it kicks in a bit > of heat when it gets below 32 or whatever, wrap the regulator and feed line > > > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2024, 5:27?PM Robert <*i...@avantwireless.com > <i...@avantwireless.com>*> wrote: > > One of my customers built a solar concentrator to break water down by high > temps. They could do it but separating the gasses was the bugger that > kept them from making a successful process... > > On 12/6/24 2:39 PM, *ch...@go-mtc.com <ch...@go-mtc.com>* wrote: > > So if you had a hydrolyzer and compressor, you could make and store your > own hydrogen. > > > > > > > > *From:* Carl Peterson > > *Sent:* Friday, December 6, 2024 3:28 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps > > > > *"**For reference, this past year I’ve been charged $4.90/gal and > $1.15/lb at two different local places to refill 20 and 30 lb portable > tanks."* > > > > That is like quoting the cost of electricity based on what it costs at a > DC fast charger. 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