God I wish it was $1.6 per gal.
Here is from a Delivery I got in mid October here in SC
34.3 gal x $3.60 per gal = $123.45
Hazmat fee = $13.62
Fuel Recovery fee = $7.96
34.3 gal for a total of $145.03 or $4.20 per gallon.
Only thing I have on the 100gal tank is tankless water heater and
5kw backup generator.
We lost power for 5 days after Hurricane Helene and we ran the
generator for 18 hours a day (turned off at night) we avg about
8-10 gal of propane per day.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 5:28 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
When I was directly involved in that it was around 2016, and
it was $2.something a gallon. I remember remarking to myself
that it was close to the gasoline price (at the time). I
think the tank was 500 gallon and they fill it to 400 or some
such, I'm sure it would have lasted a week if we needed it
to. Regardless of the price, it's worth every penny to just
know the tank is always full and that we have so much of it.
I'd pay double the market rate for propane to get that (but I
won't tell the fuel company that).
And yes, to Ken, this would only make sense for a permanently
installed standby generator, and one where the propane truck
can get to it.
-Adam
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That's a really good idea, just outsource the whole problem
to someone else, assuming that someone else will be able to
accommodate where it is.
How does delivered propane compare in price to DIY?
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*From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, December 5, 2024 11:20:51 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
You could start it up on a warmer day to rule out a
regulator, air filter, or whatever. But yeah it certainly
could be the cold.
I'm sure I've seen tank heaters somewhere, but you know the
best thing I ever did for myself on these things was get an
account with a gas company. They supplied a massive tank at
no charge. We just pay for fuel, and they come top it up
twice a year (or on request). The first fillup was expensive
because it was just a crapload of propane, but after that it
was a minimal charge twice a year as long as the generator
had only been exercising. Obviously, it's more money if you
actually had a power outage, but you'll be buying the gas
either way and it's just easier if someone else takes care of
it. And freezing won't be an issue. If they know what
they're doing they'll ask you about the fuel consumption of
the generator and size the tank appropriately for the
vaporization in cold weather.
You can't do that if the gas truck can't drive up to the
site, but as long as that's not an issue then it would
behoove you to call around and see what you can get from a
local gas company.
-Adam
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*Sent:* Thursday, December 5, 2024 11:12 AM
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*Subject:* [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
Many years ago, I think Chuck had posted an excellent chart
showing
Propane tank sizes, and the offgas rate at different
temperatures, but I
can't find it anymore, and my Google results don't show what
I think it was.
We have several 2000-2500w Champion Dual-Fuel Generators that
have been
working flawlessly for us with propane. Last night was the
first time I
think that I deployed one in Cold temperatures though. We
were about 13
degrees last night. I have it on a 30# tank, and it fired
right up, and
ran for about 5 minutes, then turned off. Fired it up again,
and it ran
for 2 hours and shut off. Propane tank was nearly full, but I'm
wondering if it was too cold for the propane.
Back-of-the-napkin math
says that possibly it was. Working out some numbers based on run
times@60F, it looks like it might draw about 14kbtu/hr At
10 degrees,
it looks like a 30# tank will only do about 13kbtu/hr. Would
a heater
blanket work And/or provide enough heat to offset the lower
temperatures? Or just stick with Gas for the winter. We're
warming up
now, so won't be able to test until it gets cold again.
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