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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 10:17 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps Dead generator start batteries used to be the bane of my existence. I started routing them indoors where they were in a temperature controlled environment. Never had a failure after doing that. Also, the built in chargers were crap too. I got some more expensive trickle chargers for them. And telemetry on them. Through just the start battery telemetry alone I could see the weekly start and run cycle. Check how long it ran. Could see it running as the voltage would come up on the battery pretty quickly. You could see the cranking etc. _____ From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf of Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net> > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 6:00 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps As long as there isn’t water in the diesel tank it doesn’t grow algae, and the algicide itself isn’t expensive. The generator has a jacket heater to keep it at about 120F, and it sits on a dual wall tank. The heat from the engine keeps the diesel liquid. Once it’s running the fuel lift pump circulates warm fuel in the tanks. In the 10 years it’s been here it’s never failed to complete its 30 minute weekly test runs due to fuel issues. It’s had other issues - coolant leaks, dead heaters, dead batteries, dead chargers, but no fuel issues. Mark On Dec 9, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: That's my point :) On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 2:46 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote: You have to heat it too, it will gel. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 12:34 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps Because when it's -10F diesel doesn't have issues? On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 11:42 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote: Looked at Propane as a backup for our data center and its 125KVA generator. I believe I calculated needing three 1000 gallon tanks as -10F or something goofy like that to get enough vapor flow. Other option was a propane vaporizer that burned propane to vaporize liquid. Yeah, just went with a diesel base tank. Mark On Dec 7, 2024, at 12:03 AM, Chuck <ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote: It is the lack of sufficient vapor, and it is a thermal runaway situation with small tanks. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com <mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote: So is the problem ice or liquified propane in the hose and regulator? Or insuffient vapor pressure in the cold tank? Noting that vaporization will make the tank contents even colder. ---- Original Message ---- From: "Robert" Sent: 12/6/2024 8:46:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XG9DN74/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8 <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XG9DN74/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1> &th=1 On 12/6/24 6:03 PM, TJ Trout wrote: What about those wires that you wrap around a pipe and it kicks in a bit of heat when it gets below 32 or whatever, wrap the regulator and feed line On Fri, Dec 6, 2024, 5:27?PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote: One of my customers built a solar concentrator to break water down by high temps. They could do it but separating the gasses was the bugger that kept them from making a successful process... On 12/6/24 2:39 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: So if you had a hydrolyzer and compressor, you could make and store your own hydrogen. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 3:28 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps "For reference, this past year I’ve been charged $4.90/gal and $1.15/lb at two different local places to refill 20 and 30 lb portable tanks." That is like quoting the cost of electricity based on what it costs at a DC fast charger. 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