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Re: How to stop and start recording within the same file using Quicktime?

2020-02-04 Thread Karen Lewellen

Donna,
I hope this makes sense but I found these instructions. bare in mind I am
not using, just sharing.

first press escape to bring up the record bar.
I am assuming quicktime is already presently active.
Then hold down alt option to bring up the pause button
you should? then be able to select the pause button in the usual way.
Unfortunately the directions for resuming recording indicate choosing the
red button, which I hope is labeled somehow.

I found this information by searching the term,
"how to pause and resume recording in quicktime?"
One result refers to pausing with the details there.
Hope this works!
Kare

On Tue, 4 Feb 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Nope. Not that either. :)
Donna

On Feb 4, 2020, at 2:14 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

Or, just the r key on its own to start recording?

Sorry, not going to let you give up :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 4, 2020, at 13:09, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
wrote:

Nope. CMD-r just gives me the VO thunk.
Cheers,
Donna

On Feb 4, 2020, at 1:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
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wrote:

Hi,

Try cmd-r. Sometimes that key combination works for record.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 4, 2020, at 12:05, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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wrote:

That doesn't work. when you press space it stops the recording, but is replaced
by a Play/Pause toggle. I see know way to get the Record button back without
opening a new file. thanks though.
Cheers,
Donna

On Feb 4, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Assuming you are on a Mac, try using the Spacebar. it performs a play/pause
action when playing a file, perhaps it does the same when recording.

- Brad -

On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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wrote:

???Hi all,

I'm trying to make an audio recording using QuickTime Is there any way to pause
and then resume recording without starting a new file?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: How to stop and start recording within the same file using Quicktime?

2020-02-04 Thread Karen Lewellen

You are welcome.
Perhaps? it may be time to ask Apple accessibility? The impression I got
from searches is that the task is not especially simple. meaning its not
just you!

Kare

On Tue, 4 Feb 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Karen,

Thanks for trying to help. I found this same thing with a google search, but it
didn't help. Alt-Option doesn't do anything, and I have no idea what or where
the red button is. Thanks, though!
Donna

On Feb 4, 2020, at 2:41 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Donna,
I hope this makes sense but I found these instructions. bare in mind I am not
using, just sharing.
first press escape to bring up the record bar.
I am assuming quicktime is already presently active.
Then hold down alt option to bring up the pause button
you should? then be able to select the pause button in the usual way.
Unfortunately the directions for resuming recording indicate choosing the red
button, which I hope is labeled somehow.
I found this information by searching the term,
"how to pause and resume recording in quicktime?"
One result refers to pausing with the details there.
Hope this works!
Kare

On Tue, 4 Feb 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Nope. Not that either. :)
Donna

On Feb 4, 2020, at 2:14 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

Or, just the r key on its own to start recording?

Sorry, not going to let you give up :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 4, 2020, at 13:09, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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wrote:

Nope. CMD-r just gives me the VO thunk.
Cheers,
Donna

On Feb 4, 2020, at 1:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
wrote:

Hi,

Try cmd-r. Sometimes that key combination works for record.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 4, 2020, at 12:05, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
wrote:

On Feb 4, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Assuming you are on a Mac, try using the Spacebar. it performs a play/pause
action when playing a file, perhaps it does the same when recording.

- Brad -

On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
wrote:

Hi all,

I'm trying to make an audio recording using QuickTime Is there any way to pause
and then resume recording without starting a new file?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: reading bookshare books

2020-02-09 Thread Karen Lewellen

making all these various avenues supporting the most important question,
that was not asked.

bookshare books in what format? there are loads of options these days.

On Sun, 9 Feb 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I use Bookshare Web Reader on multiple operating systems these days.

On 2/9/20, 10:19, "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of hemaka...@gmail.com"
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Hi all,

How do I access bookshare books on the Mac? Kindly advise.

Warmly,
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Re: reading bookshare books

2020-02-09 Thread Karen Lewellen

Jason,
granted i read bookshare  books differently and am not as of yet using a 
mac.  Still I often come across a notation  when searching  for bookshare 
books indicating that some works cannot be read in their web reader 
program, but require another format be chosen.
My hope was to encourage the person seeking information to be more specific 
about how they personally read, so suggestions might be provided suitable 
to  what interests them specifically.

Kare

On Sun, 9 Feb 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Bookshare Web Reader doesn't involve a download; the books are read on their 
Web site directly.

An interesting alternative that I haven't tried is Thorium Reader, which can 
access EPUB books. It's an Electron application that should work with VoiceOver.

On 2/9/20, 17:30, "Karen Lewellen"  wrote:

   making all these various avenues  supporting the most important question,
   that was not asked.
   bookshare books in what format?  there are loads of options these days.

   On Sun, 9 Feb 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

   > I use Bookshare Web Reader on multiple operating systems these days.
   >
   > On 2/9/20, 10:19, "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of 
hemaka...@gmail.com"  
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   >Hi all,
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   >How do I access bookshare books on the Mac? Kindly advise.
   >
   >Warmly,
   >Hem.
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Re: DBT for Mac

2020-02-09 Thread Karen Lewellen


why?
Are not  some of their support staff end  users?



On Sun, 9 Feb 2020, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Brian,
  Duxbury is a good source but does not offer the perspective that the end 
user can offer.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/9/2020 3:33 PM, Brian K. Lingard wrote:

 Dear E. T.'s Keyboard & List:
 Your best source for an authoritative comparison if Windows and Macintosh
 DBT is Duxbury Systems, Littleton, MA by telephone or e-mail
 techsupp...@duxsys.com;. They know their products well.
 Brian K. Lingard

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 Subject: DBT for Mac

  I am considering upgrading DBT from Windows to Mac. Has anyone do
  this? Any issues?

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Re: Mac start sound

2020-02-16 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi,
I can respect your experience. I, speaking personally, will not by a mac
that does not have the start up sound. Is not it amazing how individual
preferences makes computing really special?
Frankly, that sound is so much a part of pop culture, I am wondering how
the decision was made. what problem is solved by removing the sound for
everyone, that was not solved by allowing individuals to remove it if
desired?

Kare

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Infact to me its no problem to hear when the compter starts even without a
chime.
But i guess i am the only that has disabled the sound as i really don???t need
it.
/A

14 feb. 2020 kl. 18:12 skrev J. Cyr :

Tim, would additional noise to the powers that be help? If so I'd be delighted
to add my voice to the pleas for some sound at start up! To whom should such
things be addressed to be most effective?
Joy

On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
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wrote:

Hi,

On newer Macs, I doubt that any of these will work. I'm pretty sure that the
chime generator is not even a part of the machine anymore. These commands were
for older Macs for removing the chime and regaining it as well as for the Macs
in the transition time between when there was and as they were removing the
startup chime.

We're just SOL as far as I'm aware. I've made noise to the powers that be, but
the noise fell on deaf ears.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 14, 2020, at 09:27, Tibor Niesner mailto:tibornies...@seznam.cz>> wrote:

Hi,

try enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
Sound will be activated. For deactivate enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%00

T.N

14. 2. 2020 v 16:56, J??rgen Fleger mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>>:

Hi,

several times I read on the internet of a way to get back the Mac start sound
on the newer Macs. The discription says to enter the folloing command in
Terminal and restart the Mac:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

So far it didn???t work for me. Are you aware of a different way or am I doing
something wrong?

Thanks and all the best
J??rgen

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Re: Accessible Terminal

2020-02-18 Thread Karen Lewellen


devin,
Do you mind adding a link to the tdsr program for the sake of our list 
archive?

Kare



On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Emacs with Emacspeak provides a great text editor, along with a shell that I 
think is somewhat usable, its main advantage being, to me, that unlike most 
terminals, Emas’ Shell allows one to read not just a page of output, but entire 
history. Something like TDSR with Screen, the shell command, may allow this as 
well, but gosh being able to search the history is great. TDSR, though, is the 
best terminal screen reader on Mac for more interactive commands, or things 
like SSH, Tintin, and other such connectors to remote services.


On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:


Hi Devin!


Is Emacs with Emacspeak the tool that can replace Voice Over?


On 13.2.2020. 16:40, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Try TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr

If you want a more complete workspace, try Emacs with Emacspeak: 
https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043




On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:02 AM, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:


Hi All!


Could you recommend me a program or add-on for more accessible work in Terminal?


Thanks in advance.



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Re: Mac start sound

2020-02-18 Thread Karen Lewellen

Wait, why not?
granted I am far from using an iPhone, but every cell phone I have ever
owned allowed an option to set a start up indicator, something the phone
would do each time it was powered on...and this was not an accessibility
feature either.
Why would the iPhone not allow for this, since one can actually turn
them off?...or some of them?

Kare

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

Yes, well it would be nice to have a start up sound on the iPhone as well, but
don???t think that will ever happen.

On 19/02/2020, at 10:58, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Yes i totally agree with you.
BUt i don???t know why they removed the sound at all?
I do understand those who want a startup sound.
Its like the discussion of having a pc to beep at startup or not.
/A

16 feb. 2020 kl. 23:06 skrev Karen Lewellen :

Hi,
I can respect your experience. I, speaking personally, will not by a mac that
does not have the start up sound. Is not it amazing how individual
preferences makes computing really special?
Frankly, that sound is so much a part of pop culture, I am wondering how the
decision was made. what problem is solved by removing the sound for everyone,
that was not solved by allowing individuals to remove it if desired?
Kare

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Infact to me its no problem to hear when the compter starts even without a
chime.
But i guess i am the only that has disabled the sound as i really don???t need
it.
/A

14 feb. 2020 kl. 18:12 skrev J. Cyr :

On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
wrote:

Hi,

We're just SOL as far as I'm aware. I've made noise to the powers that be, but
the noise fell on deaf ears.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 14, 2020, at 09:27, Tibor Niesner mailto:tibornies...@seznam.cz>> wrote:

Hi,

try enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
Sound will be activated. For deactivate enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%00

T.N

14. 2. 2020 v 16:56, J??rgen Fleger mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>>:

Hi,

several times I read on the internet of a way to get back the Mac start sound
on the newer Macs. The discription says to enter the folloing command in
Terminal and restart the Mac:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

So far it didn???t work for me. Are you aware of a different way or am I doing
something wrong?

Thanks and all the best
J??rgen

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Re: Mac start sound

2020-02-18 Thread Karen Lewellen

I understand your saying it does not, but my question is why not?
I mean I can set a flip phone to vibrate, or play the company's ad music
or something when the phone turns on.

Seems a bit squirlly not to allow for well something.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

Nope, the iPhone does not make any sound when you start it up, all you get is
the apple logo coming up on the screen when it is starting. At least the iPhone
and the MacBooks make a tone when one is charging them up.

On 19/02/2020, at 12:00, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Wait, why not?
granted I am far from using an iPhone, but every cell phone I have ever owned
allowed an option to set a start up indicator, something the phone would do
each time it was powered on...and this was not an accessibility feature
either.
Why would the iPhone not allow for this, since one can actually turn them
off?...or some of them?
Kare

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

Yes, well it would be nice to have a start up sound on the iPhone as well, but
don???t think that will ever happen.

On 19/02/2020, at 10:58, Anders Holmberg wrote:

16 feb. 2020 kl. 23:06 skrev Karen Lewellen :

Hi,
I can respect your experience. I, speaking personally, will not by a mac that
does not have the start up sound. Is not it amazing how individual
preferences makes computing really special?
Frankly, that sound is so much a part of pop culture, I am wondering how the
decision was made. what problem is solved by removing the sound for everyone,
that was not solved by allowing individuals to remove it if desired?
Kare

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Infact to me its no problem to hear when the compter starts even without a
chime.
But i guess i am the only that has disabled the sound as i really don???t need
it.
/A

14 feb. 2020 kl. 18:12 skrev J. Cyr :

On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
wrote:

Hi,

We're just SOL as far as I'm aware. I've made noise to the powers that be, but
the noise fell on deaf ears.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 14, 2020, at 09:27, Tibor Niesner mailto:tibornies...@seznam.cz>> wrote:

Hi,

try enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
Sound will be activated. For deactivate enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%00

T.N

14. 2. 2020 v 16:56, J??rgen Fleger mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>>:

Hi,

several times I read on the internet of a way to get back the Mac start sound
on the newer Macs. The discription says to enter the folloing command in
Terminal and restart the Mac:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

So far it didn???t work for me. Are you aware of a different way or am I doing
something wrong?

Thanks and all the best
J??rgen

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RE: FYI Apple TV+

2020-03-02 Thread Karen Lewellen

That show sometimes films in Toronto.  they also send out casting calls 
for actual  actors with sight loss,  so at least in the casting factor 
their are  using   that talent.

Kare



On Mon, 2 Mar 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Lots of violence, psychological  thriller type stuff and seemingly nudity and 
sex,


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2020 11:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FYI Apple TV+

Sounds interesting, that???s the good thing about fantasy and Science fiction. 
You can get as unrealistic as you want. Not sure I want to pay $9 for the 
privilege of watching it, I don???t watch much TV as it is. I got 1 year free 
Amazon Prime TV when we signed up to our internet provider and I never bothered 
signing up to that either.


On 1/03/2020, at 21:34, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Listers,

I Thought some might be interested in a show I???ve just been watching on apple 
tv plus,

It???s set in the future of the world, more specifically the USA,

Where from the 21st century humans have lost their eyesight due to a virus and 
centuries later children start getting their sight back, new borns this is not 
suddenly getting their sight back.

It???s called ???see???
So far after 3 episodes I???m finding it not bad although very unrealistic,
Lots of interesting violence,
But what is very cool is audio description is automatic if you have voiceover 
enabled on your devices.

I???ve watched most of this from my 4k apple tv but tested it from my iphone 
and ipad mini 5.


I???ve gotta say the story isn???t great but it???s interesting,
Guess I???ll see what happens as the story continues.

Check it out,

Simon F

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Re: (Auto-reply) Apple Support

2020-03-13 Thread Karen Lewellen


do you  have the equal of 1-800-my-apple?
That is the free number for apple support, at least in north American.
surely  there is something comparative?
Kare



On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:


Yes, my wife told me that as well but figured I had nothing to lose by trying. 
Oh, as far as your last suggestion goes unfortunately we do not have Apple 
stores in New Zealand, the nearest one would be Australia.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone


On 13/03/2020, at 17:00, J??rgen Fleger  wrote:



???Hi Petrus,
as far as I know there's no such e-mail-address for support. You can use the 
feedback page on the internet or the technical support via telephone. And you 
could visit an Apple Store of course.
All the best
J??rgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 13.03.2020 um 04:46 schrieb Petrus Tuerlings :


???Hi all,
I wanted to email apple to asked if there was a way I could put my purchased 
alert tones  on on to my Mac, or purchase new ones  for my Mac. I didn???t want 
to email the accessibility email address as it really isn???t an accessibility 
issue. Is there an address I can use? I tried to guess as I couldn???t find one 
on their web-site. This is the auto reply I got.


Begin forwarded message:

From: supp...@apple.com
Subject: (Auto-reply) Apple Support
Date: 13 March 2020 at 16:27:31 NZDT
To: petrus.t...@gmail.com

Thank you for contacting Apple. This is an unattended Apple e-mail address.
Here are some support options for your Apple products and services:

Suspicious E-mails
??
If you've received a suspicious-looking email that looks like a receipt or
invoice claiming to be from Apple, forward it to reportphish...@apple.com


Apple Music on Android devices
??
Go to
https://getsupport.apple.com/?caller=andrdamp&PGF=PGF51003&category_id=SC0256&symptom_id=21333


Apple TV app for Smart TVs as well as Roku and Amazon Fire TV streaming
devices
??
Go to this article for setup
information:https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209440
Go to http://getsupport.apple.com to request help on Apple TV app for your
device.

Shazam customer support
??
Go to this article https://support.apple.com/HT210331 and click on the link
in Get Help


All Other Apple Support Needs

Go to http://getsupport.apple.com


Thanks again for writing.
Apple


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a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

2020-03-21 Thread Karen Lewellen


and a side siri one as well?
Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its 
enhanced form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, or 
better still  when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel voice?
I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possiblethat  upgrading IOS 
itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather 
dreadful.
I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking 
with the person  helping me use the phone suggested the download because 
voiceover  itself was not working well according to them.
Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice 
itself.
I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to reach them 
directly?
last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  with my 
wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone else 
through  reaching them.
My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a 
frequency range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, experimenting 
can make me rather sick.  That is what happened when trying to resolve the 
Daniel / male siri  situation.

meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
ideas?
Karen

Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

2020-03-22 Thread Karen Lewellen

I cannot buy a new phone until I know that I can use the phone i. e. that a 
voice  exists that will be safe for my use.
Apple support   assisted me and the person here at the time,   using this 
phone, to create an apple id and log in successfully,  or walked them 
through it.

Apple accessability, in the same session, suggested downloading siri.
If the  5 series was no longer supported, why would they assist me 
otherwise?
During this test we discovered that Daniel as it existed makes me dizzy. 
Which is why I asked if the voice had been upgraded, its last upgrade, in 
more current  editions of IOs.




On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:

  The 5 ie no longer supported, no iOS updates. Your only option is to buy a 
newer phone. Or try either the compact or enhanced version of Daniel. As to 
Siri, I dunno, that depends on the iOS version which is probably 9, current 
version is 13, so quite outdated.


  Nuance is no help, the voices are integrated into iOS. And I doubt 
Infovox, which sells voices,  still supports such an old OS.


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On 3/21/2020 10:47 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 and a side siri one as well?
 Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
 The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
 I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same
 thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its
 enhanced form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, or
 better still  when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel voice?
 I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possible    that  upgrading
 IOS itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
 for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather
 dreadful.
 I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the
 person  helping me use the phone suggested the download because
 voiceover  itself was not working well according to them.
 Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice
 itself.
 I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to reach them
 directly?
 last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  with my
 wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone else
 through  reaching them.
 My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a
 frequency range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, experimenting
 can make me rather sick.  That is what happened when trying to resolve
 the Daniel / male siri  situation.
 meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
 ideas?
 Karen




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Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

2020-03-22 Thread Karen Lewellen

This phone came to me as a freebie from someone in my office who new I
needed a test device before investing in anything.
I have no idea which ios is running. still, some information must exist
indicating the last time the enhanced voices were changed.
I can certainly upgrade the IOS, apple support gave no indication that
this phone was not supported any longer.
Still, rather than doing more randomness leading nowhere, I wanted a
direction for further testing in mind.

Siri is going though if it can be removed.
Kare

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

That depends on what 5 it is? If it is just a 5 than I think the latest OS is
IOS 10 and the 5s is up to IOS 12. I think the SE can still be updated too 13.
I actually find the standard voices better then the enhanced voices on all of
the IOS versions and I think I entered the iPhone family with IOS 7.
But like ET said, it might be time to upgrade your phone, but this isn???t
always affordable for some people.

On 22/03/2020, at 18:47, Karen Lewellen wrote:

and a side siri one as well?
Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
The voiceover voice question has to do with sound quality.
I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same
thing. Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice changed in its enhanced
form a while back. I do not know if it has been improved, or better still
when was the last upgrade to the Daniel voice?
I have an iPhone in the 5 family. it is possiblethat upgrading IOS
itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
for now though the quality clarity and pronunciation is rather dreadful.
I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the person
helping me use the phone suggested the download because voiceover itself was
not working well according to them.
Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice itself.
I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices. Is there any way to reach them
directly?
last of all, I understand there are other options for voices, with my
wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone else
through reaching them.
My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a frequency
range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, experimenting can make me
rather sick. That is what happened when trying to resolve the Daniel / male
siri situation.
meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
ideas?
Karen

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Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

2020-03-22 Thread Karen Lewellen

Oh  one thing about how I personally manage this auditory processing 
experience  is doing my homework. 
The  frequency range, impedance, sensitivity, etc,.  all of that 
information is common  and I know how to choose  safe headsets.
However the source i. e. the voices themselves, if they are muffled poor 
in pronunciation, lack clarity,  etc., that   should exist somewhere as 
well.
I have yet to get a clear relationship to changing a device and voice 
quality.  if it is as you say unknown when voices were upgraded, how would 
changing a device that is supported make any difference?
One reason why I am asking about when voices were last upgraded is indeed 
to learn if  there is a relationship.
from what you say,  there is not a relationship between improved voice 
quality and new phones.

On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:

  I don't suppose you will find a headset that can be tailored to meet your 
needs. In other words, one that can be set up as a sort of filter to 'change' 
certain frequencies.

  As to whether any of the voices have been 'upgraded', who knows. Find a 
carrier or seller who will give you a 30 day trial/money back deal.

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On 3/22/2020 2:15 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 I cannot buy a new phone until I know that I can use the phone i. e. that
 a voice  exists that will be safe for my use.
 Apple support   assisted me and the person here at the time,   using
 this phone, to create an apple id and log in successfully,  or walked
 them through it.
 Apple accessability, in the same session, suggested downloading siri.
 If the  5 series was no longer supported, why would they assist me
 otherwise?
 During this test we discovered that Daniel as it existed makes me dizzy.
 Which is why I asked if the voice had been upgraded, its last upgrade, in
 more current  editions of IOs.

 On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:

>    The 5 ie no longer supported, no iOS updates. Your only option is to 
>  buy a newer phone. Or try either the compact or enhanced version of 
>  Daniel. As to Siri, I dunno, that depends on the iOS version which is 
>  probably 9, current version is 13, so quite outdated.
> 
>    Nuance is no help, the voices are integrated into iOS. And I doubt 
>  Infovox, which sells voices,  still supports such an old OS.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

>    ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>  Many believe that we have been visited
>  in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>  On 3/21/2020 10:47 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> >   and a side siri one as well?
> >   Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
> >   The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
> >   I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting 
> >  the same
> >   thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in 
> >  its
> >   enhanced form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  
> >  improved, or

> >   better still  when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel voice?
> >   I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possible    that  
> >  upgrading

> >   IOS itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
> >   for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather
> >   dreadful.
> >   I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with 
> >  the

> >   person  helping me use the phone suggested the download because
> >   voiceover  itself was not working well according to them.
> >   Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel 
> >  voice

> >   itself.
> >   I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to 
> >  reach them

> >   directly?
> >   last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  
> >  with my
> >   wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone 
> >  else

> >   through  reaching them.
> >   My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a
> >   frequency range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, 
> >  experimenting
> >   can make me rather sick.  That is what happened when trying to 
> >  resolve

> >   the Daniel / male siri  situation.
> >   meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
> >   ideas?
> >   Karen
> > 
> > 
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Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

2020-03-22 Thread Karen Lewellen


its an iphone 5c.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Robin wrote:


Just Wonderin':
Which iteration of Apple's iPhone? (if known)
At 02:36 PM 3/22/2020, you wrote:
This phone came to me as a freebie from someone in my office who  new I 
needed  a test device before investing in anything.
I have no idea which ios  is running.  still, some information must exist 
indicating the last time the enhanced voices were changed.
I can certainly upgrade the IOS, apple support gave no indication that this 
phone was not supported any longer.
Still, rather than doing more randomness leading nowhere, I wanted a 
direction   for further testing  in mind.

Siri is going though if it can be removed.
Kare



On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

> That depends on what 5 it is? If it is just a 5 than I think the latest 
> OS is IOS 10 and the 5s is up to IOS 12. I think the SE can still be 
> updated too 13. I actually find the standard voices better then the 
> enhanced voices on all of the IOS versions and I think I entered the 
> iPhone family with IOS 7.
> But like ET said, it might be time to upgrade your phone, but this 
> isnâ€™t always affordable for some people.
> 
> > On 22/03/2020, at 18:47, Karen Lewellen  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > and a side siri one as well?

> > Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
> > The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
> > I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the 
> > same thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in 
> > its enhanced form a while back.  I do not know if it has been 
> > improved, or better still  when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel 
> > voice?
> > I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possiblethat  upgrading 
> > IOS itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
> > for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather 
> > dreadful.
> > I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the 
> > person  helping me use the phone suggested the download because 
> > voiceover  itself was not working well according to them.
> > Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice 
> > itself.
> > I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to reach 
> > them directly?
> > last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  with my 
> > wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone 
> > else through  reaching them.
> > My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a 
> > frequency range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, experimenting 
> > can make me rather sick.  That is what happened when trying to resolve 
> > the Daniel / male siri  situation.

> > meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
> > ideas?
> > Karen
> > 
> 
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Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

2020-03-22 Thread Karen Lewellen

ah wait,
it may be a 5s, need to check.
I researched it once but honestly do not remember since the model is
irreverent if I cannot use the phone without getting sick.

Nice to know about the upgrade, will ask about that.
I imagine there is a device record under my apple id information.
Will call support and ask.

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

Well if there is an IOS update for your phone then you might as well do it, It
might help and if it doesn???t help then you haven???t lost anything. You
certainly won???t be able to update to any of the iOS 13 updates but if it is a
5s then you will at least get the latest IOS 12. When we say that apple is no
longer supporting it we mean there is no more software updates for it, but the
help centre will probably still help you. However they did release an update
for some of the older phones last year, which they don???t normally do.

On 23/03/2020, at 10:36, Karen Lewellen wrote:

This phone came to me as a freebie from someone in my office who new I needed
a test device before investing in anything.
I have no idea which ios is running. still, some information must exist
indicating the last time the enhanced voices were changed.
I can certainly upgrade the IOS, apple support gave no indication that this
phone was not supported any longer.
Still, rather than doing more randomness leading nowhere, I wanted a direction
for further testing in mind.
Siri is going though if it can be removed.
Kare

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

On 22/03/2020, at 18:47, Karen Lewellen wrote:

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Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

2020-03-22 Thread Karen Lewellen


according to whom?
I could not use a 7 it has no standard headphone jack.
As expressed if the phone was end of life,  you could not buy them new, and 
apple  would have said as much...and they did not.




On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:

  With iOS 14 due this fall, iPhone 7 and newer will be supported. The 5 has 
long ago reached its end of life. So you can scratch that. Another factor to 
consider (I tale it the headphone idea is dead?) is the quality of newer 
iPhones having better speakers. Again, if you can't get your mitts on a newer 
phone for trial, you are spinning your wheels. Besides, whether a voice has 
been upgraded is moot since your 5 cannot be updated anyway.


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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/22/2020 2:36 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 This phone came to me as a freebie from someone in my office who  new I
 needed  a test device before investing in anything.
 I have no idea which ios  is running.  still, some information must
 exist indicating the last time the enhanced voices were changed.
 I can certainly upgrade the IOS, apple support gave no indication that
 this phone was not supported any longer.
 Still, rather than doing more randomness leading nowhere, I wanted a
 direction   for further testing  in mind.
 Siri is going though if it can be removed.
 Kare



 On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

>  That depends on what 5 it is? If it is just a 5 than I think the latest 
>  OS is IOS 10 and the 5s is up to IOS 12. I think the SE can still be 
>  updated too 13. I actually find the standard voices better then the 
>  enhanced voices on all of the IOS versions and I think I entered the 
>  iPhone family with IOS 7.
>  But like ET said, it might be time to upgrade your phone, but this 
>  isn’t always affordable for some people.
> 
> >  On 22/03/2020, at 18:47, Karen Lewellen  
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  and a side siri one as well?

> >  Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
> >  The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
> >  I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the 
> >  same thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed 
> >  in its enhanced form a while back.  I do not know if it has been 
> >  improved, or better still  when was the last  upgrade to  the 
> >  Daniel voice?
> >  I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possible    that  
> >  upgrading IOS itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
> >  for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather 
> >  dreadful.
> >  I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the 
> >  person  helping me use the phone suggested the download because 
> >  voiceover  itself was not working well according to them.
> >  Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice 
> >  itself.
> >  I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to reach 
> >  them directly?
> >  last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  with 
> >  my wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone 
> >  else through  reaching them.
> >  My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a 
> >  frequency range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, 
> >  experimenting can make me rather sick.  That is what happened when 
> >  trying to resolve the Daniel / male siri  situation.

> >  meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
> >  ideas?
> >  Karen
> > 
> > 
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Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

2020-03-22 Thread Karen Lewellen

That is one reason why I want to dump stuff. Alex, which apparently works
on this phone takes allot of space.
I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when
voices are not correct.

On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
The 5 series can’t be updated any more.
But i don’t know if they update the voices sometimes.
Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
/A

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Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

2020-03-22 Thread Karen Lewellen

I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until the CNIB
individual is here again, since the last voice left is unsafe for my
use.
I know about the adapters, but as established, until I know the device
is safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first
got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I
don???t think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then
they are on 13.
As far as the lack of a headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get an
adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the charging
port.

On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen wrote:

That is one reason why I want to dump stuff. Alex, which apparently works on
this phone takes allot of space.
I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when voices
are not correct.

On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
The 5 series can???t be updated any more.
But i don???t know if they update the voices sometimes.
Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
/A

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RE: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

2020-03-23 Thread Karen Lewellen

Not without a risk of illness while trying to figure  out how to even find 
those   things.




On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


You could look under setting, general , about this phone and see wht model it 
is and check that in google.com



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 11:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB
individual  is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device
is   safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.



On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:


I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I don’t 
think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then they are 
on 13.
As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get an 
adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the charging 
port.


On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works on 
this  phone takes allot of space.
I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when voices 
 are  not correct.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
The 5 series can’t be updated any more.
But i don’t know if they update the voices sometimes.
Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
/A


22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen :

and a side siri one as well?
Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its enhanced 
form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, or better still  
when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel voice?
I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possiblethat  upgrading IOS 
itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather dreadful.
I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the person  
helping me use the phone suggested the download because voiceover  itself was 
not working well according to them.
Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice itself.
I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to reach them 
directly?
last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  with my 
wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone else 
through  reaching them.
My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a frequency 
range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, experimenting can make me 
rather sick.  That is what happened when trying to resolve the Daniel / male 
siri  situation.
meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
ideas?
Karen




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RE: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

2020-03-26 Thread Karen Lewellen

Going  back to the original topic of this thread, what is the name of the 
Australian male voice?
i recall the female one is Karen, and am told the Aussie voice is the only 
one  to pronounce zed correctly.

Karen



On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Yeah started working from home today,

Don???t know how your wifes finding it but I???m struggling after day 1,

Mind you my internet connection in the flat is crap and very slow, plus there 
is 6 in the flat and at least 3 of us are on line all day,

Really different when your limited to phone and email / remote desktop 
connectivity rather than someone walking in to your office with a computer

You getting out to work is great, I had to go for a 4 km walk tonight just to 
get exercise and fresh air.

Make sure yu and the wife take care out there in empty space,
That???s what it???s like, empty space.

I thought tonight on my walk it???s like being in a scene from the 80???s movie 
Quiet Earth,
Don???t know if you ever saw it, Bruno Lawrence
Keep  your hands to yourself and keep safe

Later.

Simon F
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 8:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Yes, we just set up my wife???s work computer in our office, it???s a bit of a 
tight fit as she has two monitors and a docking port for her laptop, but we 
made it fit. I Weill still have to go to work fro for the foreseeable future 
unless I get sick, but at least I won???t have to catch the bus to work any 
more as my wife can drive me for the next four weeks or more. Depending on how 
long this takes.
How about you, are you able to work from home?


On 23/03/2020, at 21:21, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

I???ve looked at androids and I???ve only found a couple of voices for them,

Might be that we don???t get the same range  down here but I thought they were 
more limited.

You ready for lock down?

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of 
Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest this, 
but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some voices that 
might be easier on the ear. I haven???t got one myself but I think there are 
more voices available for them.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB individual 
 is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is   
safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.



On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:



I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I 
don???t think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then 
they are on 13.
As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get an 
adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the charging 
port.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works on 
this  phone takes allot of space.
I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when voices 
 are  not correct.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:



Hi!
The 5 series can???t be updated any more.
But i don???t know if they update the voices sometimes.
Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
/A



22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>:

and a side siri one as well?
Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its enhanced 
form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, or better still  
when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel voice?
I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possiblethat  upgrading IOS 
itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather dreadful.
I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the person  
helping me use the phone suggested the download because voiceover  itself was 
not working well according to them.
Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Da

Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

2020-03-26 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hey Tim,
well...they have yet to capture the perfect Canadian male voice so.
Will take my zed any way I can get it smiles.
besides using a voice named Karen sounds like I am listening to myself.
Karen



On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The Australian male voice is named Lee.  Good job Karen, turning into a true 
Canadian, eh.  Zed over zee, I love it :).

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 26, 2020, at 13:44, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Going  back to the original topic of this thread, what is the name of the 
Australian male voice?
i recall the female one is Karen, and am told the Aussie voice is the only one  
to pronounce zed correctly.
Karen



On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Yeah started working from home today,

Don???t know how your wifes finding it but I???m struggling after day 1,

Mind you my internet connection in the flat is crap and very slow, plus there 
is 6 in the flat and at least 3 of us are on line all day,

Really different when your limited to phone and email / remote desktop 
connectivity rather than someone walking in to your office with a computer

You getting out to work is great, I had to go for a 4 km walk tonight just to 
get exercise and fresh air.

Make sure yu and the wife take care out there in empty space,
That???s what it???s like, empty space.

I thought tonight on my walk it???s like being in a scene from the 80???s movie 
Quiet Earth,
Don???t know if you ever saw it, Bruno Lawrence
Keep  your hands to yourself and keep safe

Later.

Simon F
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 8:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Yes, we just set up my wife???s work computer in our office, it???s a bit of a 
tight fit as she has two monitors and a docking port for her laptop, but we 
made it fit. I Weill still have to go to work fro for the foreseeable future 
unless I get sick, but at least I won???t have to catch the bus to work any 
more as my wife can drive me for the next four weeks or more. Depending on how 
long this takes.
How about you, are you able to work from home?


On 23/03/2020, at 21:21, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

I???ve looked at androids and I???ve only found a couple of voices for them,

Might be that we don???t get the same range  down here but I thought they were 
more limited.

You ready for lock down?

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of 
Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest this, 
but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some voices that 
might be easier on the ear. I haven???t got one myself but I think there are 
more voices available for them.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB individual 
 is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is   
safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.



On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:



I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I 
don???t think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then 
they are on 13.
As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get an 
adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the charging 
port.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works on 
this  phone takes allot of space.
I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when voices 
 are  not correct.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:



Hi!
The 5 series can???t be updated any more.
But i don???t know if they update the voices sometimes.
Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
/A



22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>:

and a side siri one as well?
Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its enhanced 
form a

Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

2020-03-26 Thread Karen Lewellen


Lol!
I do not know,  inner voice verses  ego verses witness and all that jazz , 
I might never get anything done with the club of Karens.




On Fri, 27 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:


Yeah, but at least then you will be guaranteed of a sensible answer if you are 
listening to yourself.


On 27/03/2020, at 09:43, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hey Tim,
well...they have yet to capture the perfect Canadian male voice so.
Will take my zed any way I can get it smiles.
besides using a voice named Karen sounds like I am listening to myself.
Karen



On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The Australian male voice is named Lee.  Good job Karen, turning into a true 
Canadian, eh.  Zed over zee, I love it :).

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 26, 2020, at 13:44, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Going  back to the original topic of this thread, what is the name of the 
Australian male voice?
i recall the female one is Karen, and am told the Aussie voice is the only one  
to pronounce zed correctly.
Karen



On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Yeah started working from home today,

Don???t know how your wifes finding it but I???m struggling after day 1,

Mind you my internet connection in the flat is crap and very slow, plus there 
is 6 in the flat and at least 3 of us are on line all day,

Really different when your limited to phone and email / remote desktop 
connectivity rather than someone walking in to your office with a computer

You getting out to work is great, I had to go for a 4 km walk tonight just to 
get exercise and fresh air.

Make sure yu and the wife take care out there in empty space,
That???s what it???s like, empty space.

I thought tonight on my walk it???s like being in a scene from the 80???s movie 
Quiet Earth,
Don???t know if you ever saw it, Bruno Lawrence
Keep  your hands to yourself and keep safe

Later.

Simon F
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 8:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Yes, we just set up my wife???s work computer in our office, it???s a bit of a 
tight fit as she has two monitors and a docking port for her laptop, but we 
made it fit. I Weill still have to go to work fro for the foreseeable future 
unless I get sick, but at least I won???t have to catch the bus to work any 
more as my wife can drive me for the next four weeks or more. Depending on how 
long this takes.
How about you, are you able to work from home?


On 23/03/2020, at 21:21, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

I???ve looked at androids and I???ve only found a couple of voices for them,

Might be that we don???t get the same range  down here but I thought they were 
more limited.

You ready for lock down?

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of 
Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest this, 
but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some voices that 
might be easier on the ear. I haven???t got one myself but I think there are 
more voices available for them.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB individual 
 is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is   
safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.



On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:



I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I 
don???t think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then 
they are on 13.
As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get an 
adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the charging 
port.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works on 
this  phone takes allot of space.
I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when voices 
 are  not correct.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:



Hi!
The 5 series can???t be updated any more.
But i don???t know if they update the voices sometimes.
Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
/A



22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewe

Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

2020-03-29 Thread Karen Lewellen


Enjoying this exchange.
I am wondering what browsers are used in  either this command line 
environment, or the one you illustrated for Andrew?




On Sun, 29 Mar 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi, Simon:

Yes, but not the graphical desktop of Ubuntu, and not the audio device
drivers either. Just the command line environment.

Learn more here:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10


Note I haven't tried this under bootcamp, though I'd expect it to work.

Note also that I choose my words above carefully. It strikes me that
many people don't grok the import of command line interface only.
Perhaps it's because the Terminal application available in the OS X
Utilities folder seems such an afterthought to many people--like--what a
boring utility, why would I ever want it?

Well, it's the whole ballgame of the Microsoft Substem for Linux, and
it's a powerful and major part of Linux (and really all starnix)
environments. That's where the power users hang out, not in the point
and click environments.

Best,

Janina

Simon A Fogarty writes:

Hang on what?

 Ubuntu will install in to windows ?

That would be great if it didn't screw up my windows install

How do I do this and is it something you would recommend for someone who really 
hasn't touched linux in years?

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2020 12:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate 
machine? Pls answer off list

Hi, Simon:

I believe Ubuntu installations are still very accessible, but I don't know that 
for a fact. I'd be surprised if they weren't, but I just don't actually know.

The nice thing about trying installations is that you lose nothing by trying. 
The virgin environment is one you can quite comfortably blow up and start over 
on without losing a thing. In fact, it's a way to gain knowledge. Unhappy with 
the choices you made installing? No problem, start over. You lose nothing.

It's not as if you had years of files, email, music, and what not on that 
machine, to say nothing of carefully crafted configuration files.

Ubuntu is what I run on my Windows machine. Yes, Microsoft is now supporting 
running Linux virtual machines inside Windows, and the best supported of them 
is Ubuntu. Kind of fun using NVDA with a Ubuntu shell to ssh into my Linux 
server. Works well these days now that someone fixed NVDA focus in the terminal.

Ubuntu and Debian are related in that they both use similar device and 
application management, eg., you use apt to install or remove software.
Here's an example to install mplayer:

On Debian and Ubuntu:
apt-get install mplayer

On Arch (which uses pacman):

pacman -S mplayer
Or, more likely one of the front ends for pacman, like yay:
yay -S mplayer

On Fedora:
dnf install mplayer

The above illustrates why the power user of one kind of Linux might not be all 
that helpful with a different flavor of Linux. Yes, the basic bash (or zsh) 
commands are the same as on the Apple terminal, but configuration, software 
management, and such is as different among Linux flavors as on Mac (where the 
terminal is essentially BSD Unix).

hth

Janina

Simon A Fogarty writes:

Hi Janina,

Your knowledge and expertise has got me interested,

What about ubuntu these days?

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Sent: Friday, 27 March 2020 6:55 PM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries

Subject: Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a
separate machine? Pls answer off list

OK, Andrew, I understand your situation. I'll give you my advice. But, as 
you've undoubtedly already learned, advice is cheap and various people will be 
passionate about their views.

So, let me give you a first things first approach as my top suggestion.
Keep it simple, and keep the main thing the main thing. Linux is a "some 
assembly" required kind of environment. If you break it, you get to keep both pieces.

So, forget vmware or any other virtualization. Not because they're unworthy, 
they're perfect for their task, but they're complicating factors that will only 
frustrate you. After you have experience and some knowledge, you can always go 
back there. But learning linux management under some vm isn't the next thing, 
it's getting a unfctioning linux in the first place. I can't stress this point 
enough.

That seems to leave us with a 13 year old laptop. Forget about running Orca or 
any graphical Linux desktop on 13 year old hardware. It ain't happening--not 
with your level of Linux skills (no offense intended).

Could I, with my decades of Linux experience get an accessible desktop working 
on that machine? Maybe, but not very likely. So, a word to the wise, and all 
that.

You can expect to run the text console environment, though, and that's where 
the real power and attractiveness of Linux resides, actually. Yes, Orca is cool 
and l

Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

2020-03-29 Thread Karen Lewellen

If I follow, that would not be the case  if one created a virgin Linux 
only machine  though correct?
having never been a windows user, I was simply  wondering if one could use 
the   Linux command line platform in its entirety, but it seems that is 
not the case.

These days even DOS has Links the chain.
And   as you did not include elinks I am guessing that browser tool is no 
longer an option?


Kare



On Sun, 29 Mar 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Karen:

It would be the same as you're already familiar with from other Linux
situations. It's just the plain old Linux console, so the two likely
options are lynx the cat or links the chain.

Of course, you still have the option to Alt-TAB your way to the Windows
desktop for Chrome, Firefox, or Edge.

Best,

Janina

Karen Lewellen writes:

Enjoying this exchange.
I am wondering what browsers are used in  either this command line
environment, or the one you illustrated for Andrew?



On Sun, 29 Mar 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi, Simon:

Yes, but not the graphical desktop of Ubuntu, and not the audio device
drivers either. Just the command line environment.

Learn more here:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10


Note I haven't tried this under bootcamp, though I'd expect it to work.

Note also that I choose my words above carefully. It strikes me that
many people don't grok the import of command line interface only.
Perhaps it's because the Terminal application available in the OS X
Utilities folder seems such an afterthought to many people--like--what a
boring utility, why would I ever want it?

Well, it's the whole ballgame of the Microsoft Substem for Linux, and
it's a powerful and major part of Linux (and really all starnix)
environments. That's where the power users hang out, not in the point
and click environments.

Best,

Janina

Simon A Fogarty writes:

Hang on what?

 Ubuntu will install in to windows ?

That would be great if it didn't screw up my windows install

How do I do this and is it something you would recommend for someone who really 
hasn't touched linux in years?

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2020 12:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate 
machine? Pls answer off list

Hi, Simon:

I believe Ubuntu installations are still very accessible, but I don't know that 
for a fact. I'd be surprised if they weren't, but I just don't actually know.

The nice thing about trying installations is that you lose nothing by trying. 
The virgin environment is one you can quite comfortably blow up and start over 
on without losing a thing. In fact, it's a way to gain knowledge. Unhappy with 
the choices you made installing? No problem, start over. You lose nothing.

It's not as if you had years of files, email, music, and what not on that 
machine, to say nothing of carefully crafted configuration files.

Ubuntu is what I run on my Windows machine. Yes, Microsoft is now supporting 
running Linux virtual machines inside Windows, and the best supported of them 
is Ubuntu. Kind of fun using NVDA with a Ubuntu shell to ssh into my Linux 
server. Works well these days now that someone fixed NVDA focus in the terminal.

Ubuntu and Debian are related in that they both use similar device and 
application management, eg., you use apt to install or remove software.
Here's an example to install mplayer:

On Debian and Ubuntu:
apt-get install mplayer

On Arch (which uses pacman):

pacman -S mplayer
Or, more likely one of the front ends for pacman, like yay:
yay -S mplayer

On Fedora:
dnf install mplayer

The above illustrates why the power user of one kind of Linux might not be all 
that helpful with a different flavor of Linux. Yes, the basic bash (or zsh) 
commands are the same as on the Apple terminal, but configuration, software 
management, and such is as different among Linux flavors as on Mac (where the 
terminal is essentially BSD Unix).

hth

Janina

Simon A Fogarty writes:

Hi Janina,

Your knowledge and expertise has got me interested,

What about ubuntu these days?

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Sent: Friday, 27 March 2020 6:55 PM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries

Subject: Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a
separate machine? Pls answer off list

OK, Andrew, I understand your situation. I'll give you my advice. But, as 
you've undoubtedly already learned, advice is cheap and various people will be 
passionate about their views.

So, let me give you a first things first approach as my top suggestion.
Keep it simple, and keep the main thing the main thing. Linux is a "some 
assembly" required kind of environment. If you break it, you

Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

2020-03-29 Thread Karen Lewellen

 My understanding from the suggested idea is for you to secure hardware, 
and install Linux only.  a console rather than desktop edition.

If I am mistaken   by the suggestion I will certainly stand corrected.
I personally  use Linux Ubuntu via shell services, reaching them via ssh 
TELNET.
At least in one  service case, there are many options for  mail, browsing, 
document 
creation etc., but in this case the services are configured and maintained 
by others.

I reach them as outlined, from my home computer.
that home computer runs  one of the more recent, comparatively speaking, 
editions of DOS, from about 2005, instead of freedos, which is current 
enough  to be installed on commercially available hardware.


My choices  may 
not be a structure that  is suitable for others, but it works for 
me.
I have yet to discover a distribution of Linux  which  I could have 
installed  as its own operating system that would provide me with the 
quality of speech, and functionality

 of screen reader, surpassing what I am  using now.
Again, though that is my  individual preference.  since no two people 
access computers  the same,  your mileage  will vary as it should.


 Kare



On Sun, 29 Mar 2020, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:


I’m going to show my utter ignorance.  What do you mean by virgin only linux 
machine?  I don’t lack education but in computers/operating systems, I’m a baby 
so I need little steps.  So do you mean pure Linux?  And does this exist?  Can 
we therefore run email, web browser, document creation like in an office suite 
only from command line? I’d like to think that and would happily work hard to 
attempt to learn.  Is this what’s meant?

Andrew

On 29 Mar 2020, at 19:07, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

If I follow, that would not be the case  if one created a virgin Linux only 
machine  though correct?
having never been a windows user, I was simply  wondering if one could use the  
 Linux command line platform in its entirety, but it seems that is not the case.
These days even DOS has Links the chain.
And   as you did not include elinks I am guessing that browser tool is no 
longer an option?

Kare



On Sun, 29 Mar 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Karen:

It would be the same as you're already familiar with from other Linux
situations. It's just the plain old Linux console, so the two likely
options are lynx the cat or links the chain.

Of course, you still have the option to Alt-TAB your way to the Windows
desktop for Chrome, Firefox, or Edge.

Best,

Janina

Karen Lewellen writes:

Enjoying this exchange.
I am wondering what browsers are used in  either this command line
environment, or the one you illustrated for Andrew?



On Sun, 29 Mar 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi, Simon:

Yes, but not the graphical desktop of Ubuntu, and not the audio device
drivers either. Just the command line environment.

Learn more here:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10


Note I haven't tried this under bootcamp, though I'd expect it to work.

Note also that I choose my words above carefully. It strikes me that
many people don't grok the import of command line interface only.
Perhaps it's because the Terminal application available in the OS X
Utilities folder seems such an afterthought to many people--like--what a
boring utility, why would I ever want it?

Well, it's the whole ballgame of the Microsoft Substem for Linux, and
it's a powerful and major part of Linux (and really all starnix)
environments. That's where the power users hang out, not in the point
and click environments.

Best,

Janina

Simon A Fogarty writes:

Hang on what?

Ubuntu will install in to windows ?

That would be great if it didn't screw up my windows install

How do I do this and is it something you would recommend for someone who really 
hasn't touched linux in years?

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2020 12:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate 
machine? Pls answer off list

Hi, Simon:

I believe Ubuntu installations are still very accessible, but I don't know that 
for a fact. I'd be surprised if they weren't, but I just don't actually know.

The nice thing about trying installations is that you lose nothing by trying. 
The virgin environment is one you can quite comfortably blow up and start over 
on without losing a thing. In fact, it's a way to gain knowledge. Unhappy with 
the choices you made installing? No problem, start over. You lose nothing.

It's not as if you had years of files, email, music, and what not on that 
machine, to say nothing of carefully crafted configuration files.

Ubuntu is what I run on my Windows machine. Yes, Microsoft is now supporting 
running Linux virtual machines insid

Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

2020-04-02 Thread Karen Lewellen

her upgrade. You can, of course, try to ignore them,
but they don't make that easy.

And, if I understand, you're trying to run your systems via voice
command these days? Not sure how well that's going to work with a vm.

Best,

Janina

maurice mines writes:

I downloaded the talking Arch linux. How due put in to boot camp ms windows is 
already in bootcamp.
Your friend Maurice Mines. Ps please forgive my bad spelling I am not using 
Dragon to write this email.


On Mar 30, 2020, at 18:18, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi, Maurice:

VoiceOver won't speak your Linux in a vm. For that you'll want either
good old Speakup or the newer Fenrir.

Beyond that it's really a question of where you'll be most comfortable.
Lots of blind folks are using both thos distributions.

If it matters I can tell you I'm not very good at setting up Ubuntu
these days. Arch I have and use all the time.

If you want a dual boot situation, you can install Linux inside a
bootcamp. Have you considered that?

Best,

Janina

maurice mines writes:

Hi Unita, interesting take on the mailer situation and/or fix, did you ever get 
my message about which distribution makes the best sense to run on a virtual 
machine on the same computer as I only have one computer. And one note taker.

I’m trying to decide between Ubuntu 19, or the talking arched Lennix 
distribution that I downloaded. The issue with Ubuntu is getting some kind of 
software speech out of it. Since I certainly cannot rely on VoiceOver, or is 
there a way to make this work?

Sincerely Maurice Mines.


On Mar 29, 2020, at 22:23, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Andrew:

I will attempt my own answer to your questions. Karen will likely have
her own answer for you.

I'm unaccustomed to hearing that term applied to a machine running a
Linux as it's one and only OS; however, it is true that you can do a lot
from the Linux CLI. Looking at the items in your list one by one:

email

Absolutely. Current best choice, imo, would be mutt for your user agent.
That's what I'm using write now to write this email to you.

You can run your complete email solution, in fact. You'll notice my
emails don't come from some third party, but rather from my own personal
domain, rednote.net, where I accept emails from the Internet and send
out via the Internet. I happen to use an application called sendmail as
my MTA, my "mail transfer agent." Were I starting from scratch today,
I'd probably rather go with postfix than sendmail.

Web browser

I still use lynx all the time. However, there's much it can't do today
for which a graphical-based browser is essential.

So the answer here is, "no."

document creation

Absolutely yes.

You will soon need to decide whether you're a vim or an emacs kind of
person. Those are the two top choices for character based editing tools
on the cli. There are a few others, but you really want to settle one
one or the other of these. The choice between these two is very much
about personal preference. Ask for advice and you risk retriggering the
oldest flame war in starnixland: i.e. star nix for *nix meaning all the
various flavors of unix like systems including Linux, and including the
BSD on which Apple is based.

You'll also use tools like pandoc and markdown.

Your senior level thesis will be written in latex, which you can then
use for the remainder of your days.

PS: I am also my own phone company via my Linux server. Yet another
story for another day.

Best,

Janina

'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes:

I’m going to show my utter ignorance.  What do you mean by virgin only linux 
machine?  I don’t lack education but in computers/operating systems, I’m a baby 
so I need little steps.  So do you mean pure Linux?  And does this exist?  Can 
we therefore run email, web browser, document creation like in an office suite 
only from command line? I’d like to think that and would happily work hard to 
attempt to learn.  Is this what’s meant?

Andrew

On 29 Mar 2020, at 19:07, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

If I follow, that would not be the case  if one created a virgin Linux only 
machine  though correct?
having never been a windows user, I was simply  wondering if one could use the  
 Linux command line platform in its entirety, but it seems that is not the case.
These days even DOS has Links the chain.
And   as you did not include elinks I am guessing that browser tool is no 
longer an option?

Kare



On Sun, 29 Mar 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Karen:

It would be the same as you're already familiar with from other Linux
situations. It's just the plain old Linux console, so the two likely
options are lynx the cat or links the chain.

Of course, you still have the option to Alt-TAB your way to the Windows
desktop for Chrome, Firefox, or Edge.

Best,

Janina

Karen

Re: Ios 13.4.1

2020-04-09 Thread Karen Lewellen


Jason,
You  raise an issue that frankly baffles me.
why is it not possible for  an  individual to choose a single operating 
system and   have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint?
why  is it an acceptable situation to need   multiple devices in various 
systems to complete tasks.

It certainly was not always  the case.
I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but 
those  should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and 
the accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless 
of program being used.
I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a 
single task   then  incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the 
windows arena.
Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that 
controlling punctuation  should not be something a user can do  on the 
Android platform.  Yet text to speech is not a screen reader,  with google 
failing to understand  this a major concern.
as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not 
have  the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply 
believe  access is an impossibility in  general.
However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part 
started with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding 
that  a screen reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way 
in theory the physical functions  the adaptive tool enhances work in the 
human body.

Kare
Who frankly wonders on average how many machines an individual using 
adaptive technology  owns?




On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:


I haven???t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on what 
I???ve read, I don???t expect any changes that will affect me or other 
VoiceOver users significantly.



Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. That???s 
why I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work done. For 
example, I???ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in the last 
week or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows ??side. Fortunately, the 
laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on the same desk, so 
it???s really easy to move from one to the other. Of course, I really 
shouldn???t have to move between two computers just to do my work properly, but 
that???s how it is at the moment. This isn???t the place to discuss application 
and screen reader crashes on Windows, or accessibility regressions there 
either, or having to switch between Windows screen readers to work around bugs. 
In my experience, the Mac has had its share of accessibility problems as well, 
and I???ve been using it since 2014. Some applications are more accessible 
under Windows than under Mac OS, and vice versa.



I have Windows 10, Mac OS, Linux and iOS here, so I believe I can make fair 
comparisons. As it stands, I think the practical advice is to have multiple 
operating systems available and to switch between them, as the task requires, 
to work around accessibility problems. I should be able to choose two operating 
systems ??? one for a laptop/desktop and the other for mobile, and use those 
exclusively, but I don???t envisage that being effective from an accessibility 
perspective for me within the short term or even the medium term. It just 
isn???t workable, given the quality problems across multiple platforms. iOS is 
adequate for my mobile needs, but the desktop/laptop situation is more complex 
??? and that???s where I???m doing most of the work, and therefore where I 
notice the problems more. Everyone???s situation is different, of course, and, 
as usual, the people with less technical knowledge will be

The most disadvantaged when they run into accessibility problems ??? on 
whichever platform they???re using. It???s the same everywhere.



From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of joseph hodge


Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 16:38
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1



You are free to go to a OS and device that meats your needs then. You gave no 
reasoning to why your fed up or why Apple doesn???t care.



I find bugs the new text editing boxes where there isn???t edit boxes for one 
but every OS has bugs we have to deal with. Android for one still can???t read 
all punctuation which should be on every screen reader as an option. I left 
Apple for a bit and came back some times we have to evaluate things and see how 
they are. Hope you find what your looking for.



Joe



Sent from my iPad




On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

???Hi,



What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing on 
accessibility?



Later...




Tim Kilburn

Jamf Certified Tech

Apple Teacher

(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)

Fort McMurray, AB Canada



On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:



I???m getting fed u

Re: Ios 13.4.1

2020-04-10 Thread Karen Lewellen

Sometimes when I am having a discussion with an individual who   uses 
the  make a single AP work  in a single way dictionary I ask them a 
question.

Do you  often change your eyes or  hands
 or ears each time you visit  the store  instead of the bank, instead of 
the movies?
When the answer is of course no, I ask then why  would you expect  someone 
who reads or writes or interacts  differently to change the equal of their 
body  in such a fashion?
 Its unrealistic, impractical, and counterproductive to the concept of 
inclusion.  Of course you should  be able to choose the operating system 
you wish and get the job done.

Kare



On Fri, 10 Apr 2020, joseph hodge wrote:


I find that I use screen readers and treat them as they are all tools in the 
toolbox the more I know the better off I’ll be. However this being said it’s so 
maddening win one aspect to an application or website just doesn’t work on one 
operating system and then I throw it on something else it doesn’t work and then 
I go to the third option and it works fine. I was playing with an app yesterday 
that works the best on Chromebook who would’ve guessed? It just sucks that I 
have to pick and choose the operating systems to get the best results for that 
particular application why can’t I just use the application the way I like on 
any operating system I like?

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 9, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Jason,
You  raise an issue that frankly baffles me.
why is it not possible for  an  individual to choose a single operating system 
and   have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint?
why  is it an acceptable situation to need   multiple devices in various 
systems to complete tasks.
It certainly was not always  the case.
I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but those  
should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and the 
accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless of program being 
used.
I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a 
single task   then  incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the 
windows arena.
Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that 
controlling punctuation  should not be something a user can do  on the Android 
platform.  Yet text to speech is not a screen reader,  with google failing to 
understand  this a major concern.
as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not have  
the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply believe  access 
is an impossibility in  general.
However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part started 
with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding that  a screen 
reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way in theory the physical 
functions  the adaptive tool enhances work in the human body.
Kare
Who frankly wonders on average how many machines an individual using adaptive 
technology  owns?




On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I haven’t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on what 
I’ve read, I don’t expect any changes that will affect me or other VoiceOver 
users significantly.



Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. That’s why 
I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work done. For 
example, I’ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in the last week 
or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows  side. Fortunately, the 
laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on the same desk, so it’s 
really easy to move from one to the other. Of course, I really shouldn’t have 
to move between two computers just to do my work properly, but that’s how it is 
at the moment. This isn’t the place to discuss application and screen reader 
crashes on Windows, or accessibility regressions there either, or having to 
switch between Windows screen readers to work around bugs. In my experience, 
the Mac has had its share of accessibility problems as well, and I’ve been 
using it since 2014. Some applications are more accessible under Windows than 
under Mac OS, and vice versa.



I have Windows 10, Mac OS, Linux and iOS here, so I believe I can make fair 
comparisons. As it stands, I think the practical advice is to have multiple 
operating systems available and to switch between them, as the task requires, 
to work around accessibility problems. I should be able to choose two operating 
systems – one for a laptop/desktop and the other for mobile, and use those 
exclusively, but I don’t envisage that being effective from an accessibility 
perspective for me within the short term or even the medium term. It just isn’t 
workable, given the quality problems across multiple platforms. iOS is adequate 
for my mobile needs, but the desktop/laptop situation is more complex – and 
that’s where I’m doing most of the

Re: Calling All Fans of the Parker Brother's Monopoly Board Game

2020-04-22 Thread Karen Lewellen

Happy to support this most important cause..so its ready once I get my
mac.
Seriously, I still have a talking DOS monopoly, game that I enjoy, and it
was not done officially.
Monopoly is such a pop culture staple that adding voiceover is a win win
for everyone.

Kare

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello All,

Recently I posted about an on-device, self-voicing Monopoly-like game for
iOS, called EarsOpoly.

While I continue to enjoy the game, I am all but certain that it will cease
to function-as-expected in future versions of iOS; primarily because it is
no longer being maintained by the developer, Kid Friendly Software.

A couple of days ago, I contacted the developers of the official Parker
Brothers Monopoly game for iOS, Marmalade Games Studio, requesting that they
add VoiceOver accessibility to Monopoly.

I received a very positive response.

So, I am asking for your support in contacting Marmalade Games Studio with a
similar request. I am certain that they will listen to us if we make our
voices heard.

To contact them, simply do the following:

1.
Go to: https://www.marmaladegamestudio.com/contact/

This should take you directly to the contact form. If it does not then go
to:

https://www.marmaladegamestudio.com/

and then click the Contact link. A short form will be displayed.

2.
In the first edit field, enter your name.

3.
In the second edit field, enter your email address.

4.
In the third and final edit field, enter the text of your message. I simply
asked them to make their Monopoly game either self-voicing or VoiceOver
accessible, so that visually impaired people can enjoy the game.

5.
Click the "Send Message" button in order to send them your message.

That's all there is to it.

As always, your support is greatly appreciated and I hope someday I will
have the pleasure of informing the group that the official Parker Brothers
Monopoly game, for iOS, is accessible to us all.

Sincerely,

Mark

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Re: voice dream reader

2020-04-23 Thread Karen Lewellen

granted I did not read far, but the site indicates this is an IOs not
macos product?

On Thu, 23 Apr 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
You have the EasyReader from Dolphin for OSX to.
at: yourdolphin.com .
/A

23 apr. 2020 kl. 00:55 skrev 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries
:

It is not, but there is Speech Central:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-text-to-speech/id1223093645?mt=12

On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:26 PM, Shirley Healy mailto:manyofus1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

is voice dream reader available for the mac? how much does it cost?
shirley