Re: Ios 13.4.1

Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:01:46 -0700

Sometimes when I am having a discussion with an individual who uses the make a single AP work in a single way dictionary I ask them a question. 
Do you  often change your eyes or  hands
or ears each time you visit the store instead of the bank, instead of the movies? When the answer is of course no, I ask then why would you expect someone who reads or writes or interacts differently to change the equal of their body in such a fashion? Its unrealistic, impractical, and counterproductive to the concept of inclusion. Of course you should be able to choose the operating system you wish and get the job done. 
Kare



On Fri, 10 Apr 2020, joseph hodge wrote:


I find that I use screen readers and treat them as they are all tools in the 
toolbox the more I know the better off I’ll be. However this being said it’s so 
maddening win one aspect to an application or website just doesn’t work on one 
operating system and then I throw it on something else it doesn’t work and then 
I go to the third option and it works fine. I was playing with an app yesterday 
that works the best on Chromebook who would’ve guessed? It just sucks that I 
have to pick and choose the operating systems to get the best results for that 
particular application why can’t I just use the application the way I like on 
any operating system I like?

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 9, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

Jason,
You  raise an issue that frankly baffles me.
why is it not possible for  an  individual to choose a single operating system 
and   have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint?
why  is it an acceptable situation to need   multiple devices in various 
systems to complete tasks.
It certainly was not always  the case.
I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but those  
should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and the 
accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless of program being 
used.
I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a 
single task   then  incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the 
windows arena.
Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that 
controlling punctuation  should not be something a user can do  on the Android 
platform.  Yet text to speech is not a screen reader,  with google failing to 
understand  this a major concern.
as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not have  
the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply believe  access 
is an impossibility in  general.
However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part started 
with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding that  a screen 
reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way in theory the physical 
functions  the adaptive tool enhances work in the human body.
Kare
Who frankly wonders on average how many machines an individual using adaptive 
technology  owns?




On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I haven’t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on what 
I’ve read, I don’t expect any changes that will affect me or other VoiceOver 
users significantly.



Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. That’s why 
I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work done. For 
example, I’ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in the last week 
or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows  side. Fortunately, the 
laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on the same desk, so it’s 
really easy to move from one to the other. Of course, I really shouldn’t have 
to move between two computers just to do my work properly, but that’s how it is 
at the moment. This isn’t the place to discuss application and screen reader 
crashes on Windows, or accessibility regressions there either, or having to 
switch between Windows screen readers to work around bugs. In my experience, 
the Mac has had its share of accessibility problems as well, and I’ve been 
using it since 2014. Some applications are more accessible under Windows than 
under Mac OS, and vice versa.



I have Windows 10, Mac OS, Linux and iOS here, so I believe I can make fair 
comparisons. As it stands, I think the practical advice is to have multiple 
operating systems available and to switch between them, as the task requires, 
to work around accessibility problems. I should be able to choose two operating 
systems – one for a laptop/desktop and the other for mobile, and use those 
exclusively, but I don’t envisage that being effective from an accessibility 
perspective for me within the short term or even the medium term. It just isn’t 
workable, given the quality problems across multiple platforms. iOS is adequate 
for my mobile needs, but the desktop/laptop situation is more complex – and 
that’s where I’m doing most of the work, and therefore where I notice the 
problems more. Everyone’s situation is different, of course, and, as usual, the 
people with less technical knowledge will be

The most disadvantaged when they run into accessibility problems – on whichever 
platform they’re using. It’s the same everywhere.



From: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of joseph hodge

<josephlho...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 16:38
To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1



You are free to go to a OS and device that meats your needs then. You gave no 
reasoning to why your fed up or why Apple doesn’t care.



I find bugs the new text editing boxes where there isn’t edit boxes for one but 
every OS has bugs we have to deal with. Android for one still can’t read all 
punctuation which should be on every screen reader as an option. I left Apple 
for a bit and came back some times we have to evaluate things and see how they 
are. Hope you find what your looking for.



Joe



Sent from my iPad




On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi,



What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing on 
accessibility?



Later...




Tim Kilburn

Jamf Certified Tech

Apple Teacher

(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)

Fort McMurray, AB Canada



On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:



I’m getting fed up with Apple non-responsiveness to accessibility issues & have 
begun the process of going back to Windows. & Jaws.  I’m so disappointed.


On 8 Apr 2020, at 08:16, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
I just updated to iOS 13.4.1.
SO far i haven’t notice any bugfixes for Vo.
/A

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