really?
What reason did environment Canada give for that?
I would think keeping them for rural areas alone would make sense.
Karen



On Thu, 31 Dec 2020, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I used to like the Tom voice when he was the voice found on your NOAA Weather 
Radio stations in the States. At least he sounded more human. Nowadays he 
sounds very boring to me. But like they always say, voices are subjective. By 
the way, if I could go a little off topic here, we were supposed to get the Tom 
and Ava voices for our weather radio here in Canada. Instead, I was surprised 
to find out that all weather radio stations here are going off the air in 
February or March. Oh well.

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On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

Fred, wow I haven't used that one in a while. It was on my Mac in 1995 or at 
least a variant of it with the same name.

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On Dec 30, 2020, at 13:56, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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Many of them are from Nuance. The "Fred" voice sounds somewhat similar to a 
DECTALK, but not as good in my opinion.

On 12/29/20 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
I'm not sure about frequency, I believe tmost of these voices are the same as 
what JAWS offers.
Karen, Samantha.
One thing with the Apple voice setting area, one can adjust both
pitch and intonation.
My understanding of intonation is how flat the voice will b.
HTH
Jonathan

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On Dec 29, 2020, at 14:43, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net 
<mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

Hi Shawn,
Thanks for that information.
My personal situation is that, due to experiencing a rather  unique secondary  
disability, I have yet to find a safe voice to use.  One that does not at best 
stimulate my brain's dizzy centres, or at worst create something a bit like a 
Cesar.
My last try, in March, involved a siri voice  on an Iphone, which made me 
rather sick indeed.
for the moment Hardware, gosh  I wish someone had saved the digital dectalk 
voices, as I use a hardware decktalk voice now, seems safer than software 
strict like Ios...believe me its complex even for my medical team.
What I hoped for from the list  was frequency related information anything that 
might hint at quality before I try.
I would  not be using a strict 64 bit edition of Macos regardless for other 
reasons.  Still, I imagine there are  at least 20 or more options just in the 
regular non-siri voices.
Thanks,
Karen




On Tue, 29 Dec 2020, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Karen. Some voices on the Mac are used for novelty purposes. Bells basically 
talks, or in this case, sings like a grandfather clock. There are other novelty 
voices that I'm not going to get indepth about because it'll take all night to 
do so. But I can tell you one voice I'm glad they finally let us use on the 
Mac. We can now use Siri voices. They added those voices in Catalina and they 
can be used in Big Sur as well.

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On Dec 28, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net 
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What defines a voice as useless?
I suppose a voice named bells,  is just a ringer not a talker?
Are the voices say for English first  in the order, or must one go down the 
list  finding non-English speaking voices mixed  into the options? Clarity  is 
an absolute requirement, and I mean strictly on the mac.
Thanks so much,



On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

Well, I believe they???re only 40 English voice says, and of those at least 10 
or totally useless. Generally they???re marked them as different genders and 
sometimes is a compact and a non-compact version. One example of a totally 
useless one, is the bells voice that was around since macOS eight or possibly 
seven.

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On Dec 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net 
<mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

??? Jonathan,
Do you know if any details about each voice is provided..anywhere?
Its characteristics, frequency ranges, etc.?
Surely there must be some reason that makes each voice distinctive from each   
other besides the name.
That such a number exists is honestly astonishing.
Karen



On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as downloads from Apple. If you 
pick the name of the Voice in the Speech category of VoiceOver utility, and go to the 
last item in the pop-up list this will be "customize".
Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each voice has a 
checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be enabled for use in VoiceOver. 
After the list of voices is a play, cancel, and a OK button. The Play button 
lets you hear a sample of the selected voice. The OK button accepts any changes 
and requests System Utility to download the new voices the next time it checks 
for updates.

     Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there additional voices 
for purchase or free? Just wondering. I like Fred's voice, but he doesn't speak 
clearly. haha.

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