Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, curious wrote: > This conversation, though not directly, brings up some rather anoying > social standards/beiefs or whatever you want to call it.. When a women is > discovered to enjoy sex with multiple partners she is automagicly > classified as a slut.. by all genders invo

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, curious wrote: > I don't claim to know ESR however I do know guys who are after having > sex with a variety of women.. I also know alot of women who are > intrested in having sex with alot of guys... usualy the "players" play > with "players" though this is not always the cas

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

I don't claim to know ESR however I do know guys who are after having sex with a variety of women.. I also know alot of women who are intrested in having sex with alot of guys... usualy the "players" play with "players" though this is not always the case.. nor is it the point of this post... This

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

On 13 Jun 2000, Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote: > I think I have to take issue with this statement. I have met Eric and > interacted with him for a few days at a conference down this end of > the world, and while it's obvious that he enjoys the company of women, > he is by no means discriminatory i

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, srl wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Of course, esr is also a sexist pig, so I don't know if we really want > > him as a "role model" anyway. > > Please do elaborate what you mean. I've only read his work; I > haven't interacted with him IRL. Are th

RE: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

>I've encountered him online and conversed with him, on several >occasions. Interestingly, his tone on the times he thought I was male >was discernably different from the times he thought I was female It's always funny to see how people treat you subtly differently depending on what gender the

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

>I've encountered him online and conversed with him, on several >occasions. Interestingly, his tone on the times he thought I was male >was discernably different from the times he thought I was female It's always funny to see how people treat you subtly differently depending on what gender they

Why Work on OS/FS (Was: RE: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]")

srl, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said: > what would you suggest as an alternative? why do you think people > work on open source? I have a vision of a game/social environment/storytelling medium where I can create my own reality, populate it with interesting things and bots, and open it up for people to

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

Snarfblat wrote: > > There was an interesting discussion brought up in this thread > that made me wonder... > > At what point is flirting / sexual attraction / et all perceived > as sexism? What factors indicate whether it is more towards a > sexist annoyance, or an uninvited advance... I perc

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

There was an interesting discussion brought up in this thread that made me wonder... At what point is flirting / sexual attraction / et all perceived as sexism? What factors indicate whether it is more towards a sexist annoyance, or an uninvited advance... Is the fact that social advances are tr

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

Alexander Sendzimir babbled: :> ...(and at that age we all know what that usually means)... : :Actually, we--being male in this instance--don't. I actually had a very unusual experience growing up. I am female, yet I was one of the guys. Not as in the stereo typical sense that you see in movie

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Of course, esr is also a sexist pig, so I don't know if we really want >him as a "role model" anyway. I think I have to take issue with this statement. I have met Eric and interacted with him for a few days at a conference down this end of the world, and while it's o

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> menulis: > > Eric seems to think he is a 'chick magnet' and asppears to be trying > to collect trophy babes despite already being married. Probably because he thinks he can channel Pan. Btw, I'm new to t

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:29:58 -0400 (EDT), srl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>I don't buy esr's argument here. He's assuming that he's "typical" >>when in fact he's not. >what would you suggest as an alternative? why do you think people >work on open source? >For myself, I work with/on open source

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:13:49 -0400, Susannah Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >um, pardon me, but do you speak from personal experience? >(ie, have you met or do you know esr personally?) I've encountered him online and conversed with him, on several occasions. Interestingly, his tone on th

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

Alexander Sendzimir wrote: > > Alice wrote: > > > ...(and at that age we all know what that usually means)... > > Actually, we--being male in this instance--don't. It's related to the next bit here: > > The second problem is an immediate issue of geek girls feeling alone and > > being aban

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

Regarding esr...(though hesitantly as I do not believe in the private being publically aired, so please excuse, but this did seem relevant, and, oh what the hell, I've written it now, I might as well send it) On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Susannah Rosenberg wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Of c

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:56:39 +0100 (GMT), Alice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >As esr wrote in the cathedral and > >the bazaar a lot of open source software development can be traced to > >gaining peer approval (as well as the scratch an itch stuff). > > I don't buy

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

> My exact thought when reading the abstract was "As women, why should > we even care about earning the respect of a bunch of teenage boys?" That's what I thought, too. But... > boys without respect for women often grow up to be men without > respect for women That's my worry too - everyone act

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

Alice wrote: > ...(and at that age we all know what that usually means)... Actually, we--being male in this instance--don't. > The second problem is an immediate issue of geek girls feeling alone and > being abandoned. How so? > Whatever we hear about geeks being antisocial introverts, > it s

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:56:39 +0100 (GMT), Alice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >As esr wrote in the cathedral and > >the bazaar a lot of open source software development can be traced to > >gaining peer approval (as well as the scratch an itch stuff)

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:56:39 +0100 (GMT), Alice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >As esr wrote in the cathedral and >the bazaar a lot of open source software development can be traced to >gaining peer approval (as well as the scratch an itch stuff). I don't buy esr's argument here. He's assuming that

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

Hiya. I think the problem is that the script kiddie route is such a common entry point for more interesting hacking (no, not cracking) and other stuff. I think my story is probably common: any interest I had in computers was drummed out of me at two schools - I didn't get into programming until

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

> > bleah. silly, silly, *silly* article. who *cares* if a bunch of > criminals and criminal-wannabes are sexist? My exact thought when reading the abstract was "As women, why should we even care about earning the respect of a bunch of teenage boys?" I, for the most part, don't. Except for th

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

Fan, Laurel wrote: > >This is just one instance in the larger issue of widespread >misogynistic behavior in the criminal community. *snort* I'm *so* glad I didn't have a mouthful of something, or I would have been cleaning my keyboard. K. -- Kirrily 'Skud' Robert - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://

RE: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Fan, Laurel wrote: > Susannah Rosenberg, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said: > > it seems like you just pulled that statement out of nowhere. > > just because you say something is "widely accepted" doesn't mean it's > > true. > > Yes, I did pull that out of nowhere. In fact, I pulled t

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 16:20:03 -0400, Susannah Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >erm, you know, i have to assume that those statistics are generated >from *income tax returns*. >it's safe to assume that criminals don't return taxes, or if they do, >they're *really* laundered. Al Capone was put

RE: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

Susannah Rosenberg, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said: > it seems like you just pulled that statement out of nowhere. > just because you say something is "widely accepted" doesn't mean it's > true. Yes, I did pull that out of nowhere. In fact, I pulled the entire thing out of nowhere. Perhaps I should ha

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

"Fan, Laurel" wrote: > > Susannah Rosenberg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > bleah. silly, silly, *silly* article. who *cares* if a bunch of > > criminals and criminal-wannabes are sexist? > > This is just one instance in the larger issue of widespread > misogynistic behavior in the criminal commun

RE: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

Susannah Rosenberg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > bleah. silly, silly, *silly* article. who *cares* if a bunch of > criminals and criminal-wannabes are sexist? This is just one instance in the larger issue of widespread misogynistic behavior in the criminal community. One of the reasons that women

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

thomas sjogren wrote: > > "Facing a Man's World - Female Hackers Battle Sexism to Get Ahead" > > The experience of women at the entry levels of the hacking scene, mostly in online >chat groups, is one of relentless sexual harassment. It is a hard battle for women to >be respected in a culture

[issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

"Facing a Man's World - Female Hackers Battle Sexism to Get Ahead" The experience of women at the entry levels of the hacking scene, mostly in online chat groups, is one of relentless sexual harassment. It is a hard battle for women to be respected in a culture dominated by teenage boys [...]