Stus-List Rod Rigging

Hi Planning to replace the rod rigging on a 37+ this off season. Anyone been down this road, tips and any estimates on total cost? Initial estimates I have received are around 12-15k Thanks Rob Sent from my iPhone Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help

Stus-List Rod rigging question

Listers: I have a question for you engineer types. I recently noticed a nick in one of my rod rigging shrouds. I don't know much about rod rigging failure considerations, but I do recall reading awhile back that nicks are bad. Is there anything that can be done (short of repl

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New-Richmond, Qc De : CnC-List de la part de Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List Envoyé : 20 mai 2020 12:07 À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc : Doug Mountjoy Objet : Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging inspection Joe, 2 years ago I had my rod rigging replaced plus a bunch of other

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8800 From: CnC-List on behalf of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:43:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging inspection What would it cost to have a C&C with rod rigging inspected? Reheaded? Rod repla

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Thanks Mike! Love this group! > On May 20, 2020, at 8:09 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List > wrote: > > Thanks Michael. The photos are a great help for what to look for. > > Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena Md >> On May 20, 2020 at 11:24 AM Michael Brannon via CnC-List >>

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Thanks Michael. The photos are a great help for what to look for. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena Md > On May 20, 2020 at 11:24 AM Michael Brannon via CnC-List > wrote: > > James, there is no reason why you cannot do your own. Before going > out and purchasing a dye

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t; > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael > Brannon via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:25 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Michael Brannon > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging inspection > >

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.com] On Behalf Of Michael Brannon via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:25 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brannon Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging inspection James, there is no reason why you cannot do your own. Before going out and purchasing a dye penetra

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James, there is no reason why you cannot do your own. Before going out and purchasing a dye penetrant kit I would polish the heads and the areas around them. Once polished look for visible cracks. Often they show as a corrosion line or will snag your fingernail. If you see one then you ca

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Thanks Jack. That’s a good contact for me. There may be folks on the West Coast with that supply line as well if I need to look at new. > On May 19, 2020, at 3:41 PM, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List > wrote: > > I replaced the Navtec rod heads on Honey's rigging twice in the first 35 > yea

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I replaced the Navtec rod heads on Honey's rigging twice in the first 35 years of owning her, finally had enough due to price & the PITA factor of having to ship the rigging back to Navtec and wait for it's return. So I had UK Sailmakers in Charleston, SC replace all of her standing rigging with Na

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I'm no expert but a Navtec rep told me the rod lasts forever. It's the end fittings that can develop cracks and need inspecting. The rod can be reheaded. This process causes a loss of one inch of length, but longer turnbuckles can be purchased or adding a toggle can counter that length reduct

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Thanks! > On May 19, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List > wrote: > > James, > > Great article on that here: > > https://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/magazine/2016/january/inspecting-sailboat-rigging.asp > >

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James, Great article on that here: https://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/magazine/2016/january/inspecting-sailboat-rigging.asp All the best, Edd ———- Edd M. Schillay Captain of the “Starship Enterprise” C&C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL www.StarshipSa

Stus-List Rod Rigging inspection

Chuck and I have been engaged in too many exclusive conversations regarding repairing deck core on our boats since we’re going through the exercise at the same time….realized some of this conversation should be shared with the broader C&C group as it always goes into good reading for the experie

Re: Stus-List Rod rigging on a c&c 30 mkii

What did you end up finding/doing? Just pull and it came out straight? Josh On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 1:21 PM MAURICE POULIN via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Thank you all, worked out well and ready to go! Cheers > > Envoyé de mon iPhone > > Le 1 juill. 2019 à 07:23, Michael Brannon v

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Thank you all, worked out well and ready to go! Cheers Envoyé de mon iPhone > Le 1 juill. 2019 à 07:23, Michael Brannon via CnC-List > a écrit : > > Maurice, the stem ball fittings rotate as they are tightened. They are > basically threaded to a spacer piece which goes through the mast an

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Maurice, the stem ball fittings rotate as they are tightened. They are basically threaded to a spacer piece which goes through the mast and allows them to move. I’m making the assumption that you still have the original rod and fittings. Mike Mikel Brannon Virginia Lee 93295 C&C 36 CB

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I believe that the stem ball fittings at the mast should allow the rod to articulate and exit in a straight line. I also believe that the stem balls can slide out of place when not under tension. It may be as easy as pulling/twisting on the rod to get them to align and drop into place. If that f

Stus-List Rod rigging on a c&c 30 mkii

Hello all, I raised tha mast today and rigged the shrouds except for the lowers on both side.  These two shrouds have a curve where they enter into the mast.  I am not sure if they are well positionned so did not want to tighten the turnbuckles and kink the rod at those curves.  Would anyone kno

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ddie Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging It was for performance. I have wire and am getting it inspected in the spring. Just wanted to know if anyone had changed to Rod Rigging for racing. ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and

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There is no such thing as "too strong". The only downside is availability, availability of repair parts, difficulty of repair (particularly underway or in foreign ports), inability to inspect or predict failure, special (expensive) tension gauge, and added cost. The upsides include reduced windag

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; Melody Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging Hi Glen, I don't recall this discussion happening yet. So, are you looking at a change from wire to rod as performance increase or reliability aspect? As for your question, rod will not be too strong for the chainplates. In designing rigs the

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I'm kinda with Russ, why do you want to do that? Touche' has a rod backstay but I can't think of any good reason why unless it was because the boat came with a Head Seafoil (essentially a rod extrusion). I have since replaced it with a wire forestay. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On

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Hi Glen, I don't recall this discussion happening yet. So, are you looking at a change from wire to rod as performance increase or reliability aspect? As for your question, rod will not be too strong for the chainplates. In designing rigs the terminations tend to be the stronger parts of t

Stus-List Rod rigging

I am sure this issue has been discussed ad nauseum, but does anyone know whether Rod Rigging for a C&C35 MK I has any downside. Specifically will it be too strong for the chain plates. Regards Freya IV Glen Eddie Tel: 416-777-5357 Fax: 1-888-812-2557 ged...@to

Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C&C 32

, 2017 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C&C 32 I have a 1971 C&C 35 mk1 with an old style rig tension gauge (see pics as follow   https://www.dropbox.com/sc/y2fsam4l5vrvz7v/AAAzwvyuC7njm3lEGi3xNJ1SaAnyone have instructions on how to use this old style gauge? It ha

Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C&C 32

ardy via CnC-List" *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc: *firewa...@reinardy.us *Sent: *Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:29:36 PM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C&C 32 All, I can share my recent experience on this. I had Loos gauges for my old Catalina with stranded rigging and came to

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readings. This will give you easily repeatable settings Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 11:19 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: j...@mymts.net Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C&C 32 I have a 19

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inal Message - From: "Jim Reinardy via CnC-List" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: firewa...@reinardy.us Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:29:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C&C 32 All, I can share my recent experience on this. I had Loos gauges for my old Cata

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and I was not sure how long it would last, so I am now the owner of an RT-10.Jim Reinardy C&C 30-2 "Firewater"Milwaukee, WI  Original Message ---- Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C&C 32 From: Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: Wed, Ju

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any microbends certainly got unbent, and the unseated was seated. Dave -- Forwarded message -- From: robert To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bcc: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 09:55:31 -0300 Subject: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C&C 32 Dave: I can't add much to what Josh

Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C&C 32

What is it that re-seats and settles when the rig is first set up? Tx. Dave -- Forwarded message -- From: robert mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Hugh Briggs mailto:hbri...@tbaytel.

Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C&C 32

Hugh: Your rod rigging is probably the same as minehopefully your Loos gauge can measure 'rod tension' and not simply 'wire'. I have the Loos RT 10 gauge. According to NavTec, the breaking point of the rod is 8,000 lbs. and they recommend not exceeding 25% or 2,000 lbs. in our case for

Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C&C 32

I used the Loos guidance which states between 10%and 15% of break strength. I started with 10% on all of my shrouds, made sure they were equal port and starboard, and recorded the values. I've been sailing and observed the performance of the rig. The Owners manuals and collective wisdom of the l

Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C&C 32

Hello I am the proud new owner of a 1981 C&C 32 and am trying to set up the standing rigging. I have the use of a Loos Gauge and would like to know what the tension should be set at. I initially set it at 15 and went sailing. The rig has lost a few points and now reads at about 13. Are there ta

Stus-List Rod rigging.

lt;mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com>> wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Steve mailto:sjon1...@gmail.com>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:50:20 -0500 Subject: Stus-List Rod rig

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Steve Roberts Pearl 1980 CNC 36 CB Palm Coast, FL (Daytona Beach) I am currently working towards re-stepping the mast on Pearl. The mast was damaged when Hurricane Mathew came through. She was on jack stands in a marina up North at the time, but fell over, her mast’s upper spreader hit another

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gt; Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:22:27 +0000 > Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging. > I just saw something on sailing-anarchy that said that it's just the US > side of NavTec that is closing up. > ___ This list is supported by the genero

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Steve, My name is also Steve, and I am also fixing up a 1980 C&C 36, so it would help to reduce confusion if you would provide a little more identification in your posts. Most of listers have adopted the convention of signing with our boat model and location, or something along that l

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Mike Brannon via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:06 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Mike Brannon mailto:ff1...@aol.

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Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 9:30 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Aronson Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging. I read on SA that Navtec US closed, but the French operation is still ongoing. On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: I'm p

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Rick Brass >> Washington, NC >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mike >> Brannon via CnC-List >> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:06 AM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com &

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f business"? > > Can anyone confirm Mike's information? > > Rick Brass > Washington, NC > > > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Brannon via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:06

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sday, February 14, 2017 8:06 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Mike Brannon > Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging. > > All. NAVTEC has gone out of business. At the moment it looks like Hayn > is trying to take up the slack. You should be able to have the balls made >

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ent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Mike Brannon Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging. All. NAVTEC has gone out of business. At the moment it looks like Hayn is trying to take up the slack. You should be able to have the balls made by a local machinist however,

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When I replaced the stays on that boat, South Shore made > the replacements, including the "new" (at the time) heads and fittings for > the mast. Rob MacLachlan can likely answer your questions. > > -Original Message- From: Steve via CnC-List > Sent: Monday, Feb

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hlan can likely answer your questions. -Original Message- From: Steve via CnC-List Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 3:50 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Steve Subject: Stus-List Rod rigging. My newly acquired 1980 CNC 36 had the heads cut off of the intermediate shrouds. In trying t

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at 1:02 PM, wrote: > >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Steve >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: >> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:50:20 -0500 >> Subject: Stus-List Rod rigging. >> My newly acquired 1980 CNC 36 had the heads cut off of the interme

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:02 PM, wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Steve > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:50:20 -0500 > Subject: Stus-List Rod rigging. > My newly acquired 1980 CNC 36 had the heads cut off of the intermedi

Stus-List Rod rigging.

My newly acquired 1980 CNC 36 had the heads cut off of the intermediate shrouds. In trying to get them re-headed I discovered I'm missing 1 ball from under the cap. The through bolt needs replacing as well as possibly the caps. Question is, did Navtec go to a different option because of the diss

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f Of Bill Mania via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 12:40 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Rod rigging replacement As Navtec parts and material get harder to find and more expensive, are any other vendors stepping in to fill the gap for rod rigging components? Wh

Stus-List Rod rigging replacement

As Navtec parts and material get harder to find and more expensive, are any other vendors stepping in to fill the gap for rod rigging components? What has been the experience with converting rod standing rigging to a wire-based system? -- Bill Mania _

Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please

essage- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 7:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please A couple of summers ago, while sailing in significant slop and 16 to

Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please

Well, in my case it was just my radar reflector. Those little wires just broke. I'm going to replace them with dyneema. Wal Rick Brass wrote: ... I heard a sound like a shot from a .22 and thought "Crap, something just broke!" I ended up using Dyform wire instead of conventional wire.

Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please

A couple of summers ago, while sailing in significant slop and 16 to 20 knot winds on Pamlico Sound, I heard a sound like a shot from a .22 and thought "Crap, something just broke!" The jump stay waving back and forth and banging into the mast certainly elevated the priority on the inspection I

Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please

Gordon has a C&C 30-2. The "field replaceability" of wire vs rod is really no longer valid. A piece of spectra long enough to replace any stay will replace any damaged rod, and it can be spliced in place easily without any special fittings. Because of the major difference in cost, I would be seriou

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Navtec recommends that rod be re-headed every 10 years. I think the cost was about $2,000 3 years ago. Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Dennis C. wrote: > Gordon, > > Most rod failures happen at the head. Many on this list have opted to > have the existing rod

Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please

Gordon, Most rod failures happen at the head. Many on this list have opted to have the existing rod re-headed. This will shorten the rod and may require the addition of a toggle but the cost of re-heading may be close to or less than replacing with wire. Rod rigging will keep the resale value h

Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please

To me, the advantages of rod rigging apply only to racing. For cruising, wire is preferable for a few reasons. One of the biggies is that wire often gives you warning before failure, while rod can visually look perfect up until the moment it suddenly fails. It is also a lot easier to carry a co

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I went with rod as in the end it was the same cost as converting and I like the performance. Mike SV Virginia Lee C&C 36 CB VIRGINIA Beach, VA Sent from my iPad > On Apr 9, 2014, at 23:56, CATHY DE PONT wrote: > > Greetings: > For a 1988 C and C Mk2, the cost to replace the original rod riggi

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1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:36:39 -0300 > From: mike.h...@impgroup.com > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please > > C&C what? Lots of C&C models had a mark 2. Please tel

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April 10, 2014 12:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please Greetings: For a 1988 C and C Mk2, the cost to replace the original rod rigging is about $2000 more than switching to wire. Has anyone had to make this decision and if you

Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please

Greetings: For a 1988 C and C Mk2, the cost to replace the original rod rigging is about $2000 more than switching to wire. Has anyone had to make this decision and if you went the wire route are there any regrets? Are there any other pros and cons? This is a cruising boat so speed is not critica

Stus-List Rod rigging

I have a rob ball Baltic 39 and I am replacing the discontinuous rigging except the forestay. New turnbuckles mast tangs and rod for a bit less than 5k. It seems like a reasonable number considering the current rigging is from 1978 the year of build John Maturo 203-494-6782 > On Nov 27, 2013,