RE: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi David, 

If I understand what you have explained with GMAIL, if I go to gmail.com, and 
to the all-mail folder and delete all the old (thousands of them), then they 
shouldn't be downloaded once I think about upgrading to Mavericks. Is that 
correct? The master folder is the all mail folder and the rest of the folders 
are just virtual ones in Gmail and on the Apple mail native client. Did I get 
this right? I just want clarification to see if I thoroughly got the concept. 

Thanks. 

Eileen 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

Look at how much you are struggling with the label concept that Gmail actually 
uses. It took me a couple years to get my head around the concept. It is 
difficult to understand because it is so different from any other mail handling 
protocols I have seen. So, I am not surprised that the tech support person went 
down the wrong track. Most people do not understand what Gmail actually does.

In point of fact, there are no folders in Gmail. There is only one folder 
called all mail. This folder contains every email message.

What helped me to understand this was when I switched to the mac and learned 
about virtual folders. A virtual folder does not actually have any messages in 
it. A virtual folder is an index list of all the messages which match its 
criteria. However, when in the virtual folder, email appears and handles the 
same way that it does in any other folder. You are just manipulating the 
message in its original folder, but you are in the virtual folder.

In Gmail, all folders are virtual except the all mail folder. There is only one 
copy of your message, and it is in the all mail folder. When you access it in 
any other folder, you are using a label index system to access the message that 
is actually only located in the all mail folder. If you should move the message 
from the gmail folder to a local only folder, the message is copied from all 
mail and then deleted from all mail. If you move a message from one gmail 
folder to another gmail folder, the message remains in the all mail folder, but 
its indexing label name is changed. If you copy a message from one gmail folder 
to another gmail folder, the message remains in the all mail folder, but it is 
given a second indexing label.

Like I said, it is difficult to get one's head around how it works, so try and 
cut the tech support person a little slack. Even the tech support person is 
only human. Figure out how to understand mac mail's virtual mailboxes and the 
gmail system should start making more sense. Then, if you have another problem, 
you might be able to educate that tech support person on something which is 
extremely confusing. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:14, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Well what makes it even more irksome is for the Apple rep to claim it is not 
> a gmail issue, and walk me through a ton of stuff that unfortunately didn’t 
> fix anything, so after I was off the phone with Apple, I deleted my gmail 
> account from mail, and mail worked perfectly fine. Not sure why Apple can’t 
> just admit and be honest that there is still a gmail issue. 
>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 2:59 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Apple fixed the problems in Gmail for many of their Max. However, after the 
>> Mavericks update was released, some users still reported email problems. So, 
>> Apple continues trying to figure out what is going on. This is the nature of 
>> programming and bugs.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 6:59, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, that is what I thought. Hilarious as now I only get new mail upon 
>>> quitting mail and restarting mail. Very frustrating, and I would have never 
>>> upgraded to Mavericks if I knew the gmail issue was still such a problem, 
>>> so yeah, I am pissed off at Apple for claiming they fixed the gmail 
>>> problem. Very misleading, and I guess you just can’t trust anything you 
>>> hear anymore.
 On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Robert C  wrote:
 
 If you delete mail from All Mail, you will delete everything that is in 
 the inbox, deleted, drafts, sent. So if you do not move or archive mail 
 outside the gmail account, its gone.
 
 I use message filters (not using Mac Mail yet, still on Windows) but gmail 
 is gmail. Before I dump All Mail, I look at the sent folder to see what I 
 want to archive. Then I delete mail from All Mail which takes care of the 
 other mentioned folders. I do this weekly.
 
 Quote of the nanosecond . . .
 The great majority of us are required t

RE: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi David, 

Another question about Gmail. Can one create new label folders on the iPhone or 
does it need to be created at gmail.com? Also, if you have a folder listed in 
the account Gmail area on the phone, can the rule be created on the phone or 
again the rule needs to be created in gmail.com? 

Thanks. 

Cheers, 
Eileen 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

Gmail has a couple settings which are initially set in a confusing way. One of 
these settings is archive all mail. This is the default setting. It means, 
whenever an email is deleted, Gmail places the archive label on the message. 
For some reason, when Apple mail first sees these old messages, it assigns them 
back to the original inbox folder. I ended up with over 140,000 email messages 
since 2005.

The solution is: go to
www.gmail.com
and log-in to your gmail account. Find the preferences or settings page (I do 
not remember what it is called), and locate the how to handle deleted messages. 
Change this setting from permanently archive to delete. Another setting found 
in this area is POP3 or IMAP. These are checkboxes, so Gmail can be set to do 
both at the same time. I used to do this, but found occasional headaches from 
it, so changed everything to IMAP.

I am currently in the process of deleting all my older messages. I occasionally 
sort out important messages during the process. I am doing this on my iPhone as 
the mail interface makes more sense to me. I am down to 44,000 messages at this 
point.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Jan 2014, at 4:15, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey Nicholas,
> 
> Bingo I think you hit the problem right on the head, as I just looked at this 
> all mail folder and there are 96,000 messages in it. What the heck is this 
> folder, as I looked and there are emails I deleted years ago. Is there a way 
> to manage this folder in any settings or get some sighted assistance to purge 
> some mail on the gmail website. Where do I find the activity menu to see what 
> mail is doing? Will explore around for it, but not sure where it is. Thanks,
>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Bryan,
>> 
>> First thing, about how many messages altogether do you have in gMail? 
>> Meaning in your All Mail folder. If it's in the tens of thousands, or 
>> hundreds of thousands, then I think I know what the problem is.
>> 
>> Second, is your All Mail folder enabled for IMAP? It should be.
>> 
>> I by no means an expert on this issue—I don't think anybody is. There seems 
>> to be lots of different issues and neither Apple or much of the tech 
>> community seems to really know or agree on what's going on. But what I think 
>> is happening is that Mavericks Mail has to re-download and reconfigure every 
>> message you have in gMail. Most of us have plenty of messages, easily in the 
>> tens of thousands, and some people even have hundreds of thousands. So when 
>> you launch Mail after recently installing Mavericks, if you show the 
>> activity window with command-option-0, you'll notice that Mail is busy 
>> accessing the gMail server and checking and downloading all your messages. 
>> Even for a reasonably small account this can take a long time. I left my Mac 
>> online with Mail running but nothing else for a couple of days. This seemed 
>> to allow it to get up and running. So I'd suggest you close every 
>> application and stop as many other online services as you can from 
>> operating, then just open Mail and leave your Mac online for a good long 
>> time. Meaning at least 24 hours. Just leave it, and don't do anything else 
>> with it, certainly not with Mail. Configure your energy preferences so your 
>> Mac doesn't go to sleep. Check the Mail activity every few hours to check 
>> that it's making progress. If it seems to have frozen, quit it and re-launch.
>> 
>> Best of luck,
>> Nic
>> 
>>> On 21 Jan 2014, at 12:04 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Would love any advice from those of you not having any problems with Gmail 
>>> and Macmail. After  a day and a half of everything working fine, I had my 
>>> busy busy problems again. I called Apple and spoke to their VoiceOver 
>>> people and they kept insisting that my problem wasn’t a gmail and mac mail 
>>> problem. I connected via remote session with Apple, and the specialist was 
>>> claiming my issue was caused by my other mail account from go daddy. It 
>>> took us a good hour to check settings, and mail was constantly caught in a 
>>> busy loop, after that did nothing, I did a system repair which Apple felt 
>>> would fix the mail busy issue. I am not going to go in to the bad set of 
>>> instructions that Apple 

RE: Switching Between Docs In iText Express On A Mac Air

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Daniel, 

 

I think I have the FN key enable because I use it with combinations with the
function keys on the top row. What I have done is use the FN-F2 twice to
bring up the window chooser and select the document that I  want to reopen.
I guess I can relate the window chooser on the Air to the task bar on the
PC, but then I am able to use the windows key plus a number associated with
the software on the task bar. If I analyze it, it's probably only 1 more
keystroke on the Mac side. 

 

Thanks. 

 

Eileen 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:30 AM
To: Mac Visionary
Subject: Re: Switching Between Docs In iText Express On A Mac Air

 

Do you have a Macbook keyboard? Or do you have FM enabled?

 

If not if you want to cycle thru the windows, press VO FM and press F2 twice
quickly. If you press F1 twice quickly it will show you all the apps open.

Daniel Hawkins

- Posted from my Macbook Pro

 

2012 15in. Macbook Pro

2.3 Quad-core i7

4GB DDR3

500GB HDD

 

Dual Boot:

Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit

 

On Jan 21, 2014, at 10:34 PM, Eileens Misrahi 
wrote:





Hi,





I'll try this too. What my sighted son recommended was to use the window
chooser (VO-F2 twice for us). The behavior of CMD-TAB relates to ALT-TAB on
the PC. However, when I used this keystroke it just cycled between the
opened applications and not the opened iText Express doc files. So, I'm left
with the method which I first stated above. It's just getting use to the
environment that works on the Mac. 





Thanks for your input.





Best,

Eileen


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Daniel Hawkins 
wrote:

Do you mean switching between applications? If so, cmd tab will do the
trick. If not, maybe I am not getting the question.

Daniel Hawkins

- Posted from my Macbook Pro

 

2012 15in. Macbook Pro

2.3 Quad-core i7

4GB DDR3

500GB HDD

 

Dual Boot:

Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit

 

On Jan 21, 2014, at 6:20 PM, Eileens Misrahi 
wrote:





Hello Folks,

I am hoping someone can assist me in using iTex Express in switching between
2 or more files that are opened on my Air. I am using ML. I am viewing one
document and need to make notes for training purposes. This feature I am
well-acquainted with on the PC side and I was wondering if it exists on the
Mac side. I would appreciate any suggestions on how to accomplish this. 

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,
Eileen


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Re: mac gourmet help.

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jessica, 

I believe there were others who contacted the developers that were using just 
Mac Gourmet to see if they could receive a license for the most current 
version.  I decided to get the deluxe version because of the nutritional 
feature. I'm thinking in the future in creating a specialty food item, which 
this feature would be helpful in accomplishing the nutritional info 
rquirements. I hope you will have some success in hearing from the developer 
soon. 

Kind regards, 
Eileen 
On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Jessica D  wrote:

> I am not running the delux version & am waiting to hear back from them.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Eileens Misrahi  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> HI All,
>> 
>> I hope others will help me out if my memory is not perfect. When all of the 
>> Mac Gourmet apps were on sale, there was a discussion that a newer version 
>> was about to be release for the phone and Mac. I believe in older versions 
>> of Mac Gourmet there was a problem in syncing between the phone and Mac. 
>> Esther suggested to contact the developers to get a license key for the new 
>> update from the web site. The developers were very accommodating and prompt. 
>> I received instructions on how to delete my version of Mac Gourmet Deluxe 
>> from my Air and install the new version. If my recollection is not correct, 
>> I hope others will chime in on this. So, you may not be doing anything 
>> wrong, but it may be a software incompatibility issue between the 2 apps. 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Eileen 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Jessica D  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, what am i doing wrong?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie 
  wrote:
 
 In your mac gourmet settings on the i phone, do you have the synch choice 
 selected?
 Cait
 
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Jessica  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> i am trying to use mac gourmet to sync with gourmet for ios, and, well, 
> it's not working. I have some recipes on my iOS devices that are not on 
> my mac and vice-versa. what am I doing wrong? I bought them both the last 
> day of the, "polar vortex" sale.Help is appreciated.
> Thanks,
> 
> Jessica
> jldai...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Creating Recipes In Mac Gourmet Deluxe vs. iOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Folks,

To me the interface of the iOS version of Mac Gourmet is easier to navigate and 
input the data correctly into the fields. I have been attempting to use Mac 
Gourmet Deluxe on my Air, but I find it more confusing and not direct to input 
the info for a recipe. Are there any tricks or tips others can suggest? It took 
a couple of trials, but I was successful on syncing the created recipe on my 
iPhone to my Mac. So, maybe this is my solution for now. I have a busy task at 
hand to get the recipes into this application. However, once this is done, it 
will be extremely handy in the kitchen. All suggestions on how to input the 
info on the Mac side would be appreciated. 

Thanks in advance. 

Kind regards, 
Eileen 

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Re: Creating Recipes In Mac Gourmet Deluxe vs. iOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jim, 

I am making some headway with this, but I do have some questions. I will first 
explain what I do and ask my questions. 

1. I open Mac Gourmet Deluxe and a recipe TXT file in my documents. 
2. I highlight the text in the recipe file and then press CMD-SHIFT-M. This 
will open up Mac Gourmet Deluxe and the clipping item is selected in the table. 
3. When I begin to tab over to the right, the only way I can view the recipe 
TXT file is to interact with the HTML. At this point, all of the text will seem 
to run together.  
4. Now, I don't know how I get to the various edit fields, but when I do, I 
need to manually input the data. Hence, I know I am missing a step or two in 
order for the clipping to be entered into the various category edit fields.
5. I am not sure if I need to press or enter on the "Set" button or just go 
directly to the "Save" button. 

Here are my questions: 
 
1. Is there a list of commands to use after a particular item is highlighted in 
my HTML area to input the text into the various fields? I know that you listed 
command 5 and command 6 for ingredients and directions, but what are the others 
and where can I find them. 
2. The manual stated something about a popup button to open the various 
categories to place the info into, but I haven't found it. Where can I find 
this popup button. 
3. I'm ending up performing a copy/paste into the edit fields. Do I need to set 
up my recipe TXT files for the various edit fields in Mac Gourmet, so they will 
be imported into them?

this is it for now. Sorry for all of the questions, but this task of importing 
TXT files is not really straight forward. All of your assistance is 
appreciated. 

Thanks in advance. 

Cheers, 
Eileen 
On Jan 29, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> It is very easy to get recipes into Mac Gourmet Deluxe.  If you have a text 
> file you can select the text you want to import and then find clip recipe 
> under services.  You can define a keystroke to do this to make it quicker.  
> Then Mac Gourmet will put it into the clippings section and it easy from 
> there.  You have various fields like name, ingredients, directions and more.  
> You highlight the ingredients and press command-5 for ingredients and 
> command-6 for directions.  There is a very clear explanation of this in the 
> user manual.
> Hope this clears up some of the confusion.
> Jim
> 
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:18 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Folks,
>> 
>> To me the interface of the iOS version of Mac Gourmet is easier to navigate 
>> and input the data correctly into the fields. I have been attempting to use 
>> Mac Gourmet Deluxe on my Air, but I find it more confusing and not direct to 
>> input the info for a recipe. Are there any tricks or tips others can 
>> suggest? It took a couple of trials, but I was successful on syncing the 
>> created recipe on my iPhone to my Mac. So, maybe this is my solution for 
>> now. I have a busy task at hand to get the recipes into this application. 
>> However, once this is done, it will be extremely handy in the kitchen. All 
>> suggestions on how to input the info on the Mac side would be appreciated. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Kind regards, 
>> Eileen 
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Re: Creating Recipes In Mac Gourmet Deluxe vs. iOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jim, 

this is the first time i have had to thank you for all your assistance. 
Hoorah!!! I finally have been able to start importing my text recipes into Mac 
Gourmet Deluxe, with the method you have described so kindly. I just want 
confirmation on this pointer though because I have been doing the highlighting 
and placement of the specific text into their respective fields by arrowing to 
the specific edit field and then using the shortcut key. If I reread your last 
email, it seems like I can just highlight the specific info and then use the 
shortcut key to place it in its edit field. Is that correct? 

On another topic with Mac Gourmet Deluxe, I was wondering if this is just 
unique to my inexperience in using the app. Whe all is said and done, I press 
the "Save" button in Mac Gourmet Deluxe and receive an alert message. It states 
something to this affect:  "Mac Gourmet Deluxe has closed unexpectedly" and 
then I am given options to restart the program, ignore, or close, etc. when I 
reopen the program and check the recipe table, I review to see if the recipe 
had been added and it has. I was wondering if this has happened to you too. I 
am running ML, so if you are running Mavericks that may be the difference. I'm 
not sure if I need to contact the developers to see if there is something that 
I can do to correct the situation. This seems to happen almost all the time 
when I save the recipe. 

Again, thanks for all of your help and being so patient with me. I am getting 
the hang of it, but I just want to refine my steps to be more efficient. 

kind regards, 
Eileen 
On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> If you vo navigate to the clippings table and then vo navigate to the 
> specific recipe you want to clip and press enter it will open the editor for 
> you to select text.  You might have to vo-right a couple of times to get to 
> the edit field.
> If you then go to the top where the name is and highlight the name, you can 
> press command-1 to enter the name, highlight the ingredients and command-5 to 
> enter the ingredients and do the sale for directions with command-6.  Your 
> other options like categories and servings/yield will be in that edit session 
> as well.
> Jim
> 
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jim, 
>> 
>> I am making some headway with this, but I do have some questions. I will 
>> first explain what I do and ask my questions. 
>> 
>> 1. I open Mac Gourmet Deluxe and a recipe TXT file in my documents. 
>> 2. I highlight the text in the recipe file and then press CMD-SHIFT-M. This 
>> will open up Mac Gourmet Deluxe and the clipping item is selected in the 
>> table. 
>> 3. When I begin to tab over to the right, the only way I can view the recipe 
>> TXT file is to interact with the HTML. At this point, all of the text will 
>> seem to run together.  
>> 4. Now, I don't know how I get to the various edit fields, but when I do, I 
>> need to manually input the data. Hence, I know I am missing a step or two in 
>> order for the clipping to be entered into the various category edit fields.
>> 5. I am not sure if I need to press or enter on the "Set" button or just go 
>> directly to the "Save" button. 
>> 
>> Here are my questions: 
>> 
>> 1. Is there a list of commands to use after a particular item is highlighted 
>> in my HTML area to input the text into the various fields? I know that you 
>> listed command 5 and command 6 for ingredients and directions, but what are 
>> the others and where can I find them. 
>> 2. The manual stated something about a popup button to open the various 
>> categories to place the info into, but I haven't found it. Where can I find 
>> this popup button. 
>> 3. I'm ending up performing a copy/paste into the edit fields. Do I need to 
>> set up my recipe TXT files for the various edit fields in Mac Gourmet, so 
>> they will be imported into them?
>> 
>> this is it for now. Sorry for all of the questions, but this task of 
>> importing TXT files is not really straight forward. All of your assistance 
>> is appreciated. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Cheers, 
>> Eileen 
>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>>> It is very easy to get recipes into Mac Gourmet Deluxe.  If you have a text 
>>> file you can select the text you want to import and then find clip recipe 
>>> under services.  You can define a keystroke to do this to make it quicker.  
>>> Then Mac Gourmet will put it into the clippings section and it easy from 
>>> there.  You have various fields like name, ingredients, directions and 
&

Re: gmail issue statistics

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

It would also be great if those who are posting could also include any settings 
in Gmail that they made in order for Gmail to work flawlessly in Maverick. This 
is the main reason why I haven't upgraded to Maverick yet, along with the 
problem with finder. It would also be nice to put the version that one is 
using. I am not sure if OS 10.8.9.1 has been released. Thanks for posting this 
topic, as it is a popular subject on the list. 

Best, 
Eileen 
On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Mario Navarro  wrote:

> hi.
> 
> gmail:
> works good.
> 
> mavericks:
> update 2 times.
> snowleppard to mountain lion and mountain lion to mavericks.
> 
> computer:
> imac.
> 
> country:
> portugal.
> cheers.
> A compaixão para com os animais é das mais nobres virtudes da natureza humana.
> Charles Darwin
> 
> Mario Navarro
> mario@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> No dia 06/02/2014, às 08:44, Terje Strømberg  
> escreveu:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Maybe we can make a statistics of where those who have problems with gmail 
>> live? And what kind of hardware and OSX installation of Mavericks. Clean 
>> install or not. So everybody who is interested can investigate if there is a 
>> logic reason why some have gmail issues and some do not have any issues at 
>> all.
>> 
>> I will start: gmail is working good. 
>> 
>> 1. Mavericks installation method: clean install.
>> 
>> 2. What kind of mac: iMac
>> 
>> 3. Spinning, flash or ssd drive: SSD
>> 
>> 4.  Country: Norway
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
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Re: Creating Recipes In Mac Gourmet Deluxe vs. iOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jessica, 

Jim beat me to this, but I'll still post. First, I want to know if in service 
preferences you have the keyboard shortcut checked there and in TextEdit also. 
If not, you will need to open both of these programs and perform this action in 
each. 

1. Open one of the apps at a time. 
2. In Mac Gourmet Deluxe menu, either arrow down to or type in the first couple 
of letters "SE" to get to services. 
3. VO-Right Arrow to open it and down arrow to service preferences. VO-Spacebar 
on it. 
3. The interface will open on "Keyboard." 
4. Tab over to Service Shortcuts and interact with it (VO-Shift-Down Arrow. 
Unfortunately, you can't use letter navigation in this list, so you will need 
to arrow down until you hear "Clip the recipe."To the right of this will be the 
check box. VO-spacebar on it. 
5.  I also checked "Import recipe from web page."
6. This process will need to be repeated in TextEdit in the same manner. 

Secondly, to answer your question about selecting or highlighting text, 
Highlight the text that will be entered into a particular edit field. Use the 
shortcut keystroke that is associated with that edit field. I haven't yet made 
a list of all of the Mac Gourmet Deluxe shortcut keys. As Jim as stated, 
command 1=name, command 5=ingredients, and command 6=directions. 

Oh one more thing I forgot to mention above, once the recipe has been clipped 
to Mac Gourmet Deluxe, you need to tab over to the label that says "Name" and 
the recipe that you have clipped will be listed. Enter on the recipe name and 
that will open the recipe editor where all the edit fields are located. When 
everything is said and done, I use VO-FN-Right Arrow to move to the end where 
the save button is located to save all my changes. I HTH. 
 
Happy cooking. 

Cheers, 
Eileen  
On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Jessica D  wrote:

> hi,
> i have mac gourmet deluxe and have one simple question, when in my recipe's 
> text file, do i select all of the text or just the text for the section i am 
> working with? also, where do i "clip recipe" in the services menu?need to be 
> in order to see, 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Eileen!
>> You are correct in that you can just press the command key.  Once you are in 
>> mac gourmet and in the edit field where the clipped recipe is you can go to 
>> the top and shift down arrow to highlight the name of the recipe and then 
>> press command-1.  All of the available fields have corresponding shortcut 
>> keys, intro, nutrition directions, ingredients and the like.  So you 
>> highlight the section you want and press the corresponding command-number 
>> key.  I can't remember them all but intro is one and directions is command-6 
>> and ingredients is command-5.  All the fields have a number with them.
>> 
>> 
>> As to quitting unexpectedly I have had that happen a couple of times but 
>> that might be something you want to go to mariner web site and file a high 
>> priority ticket with them to help.  Let them know that you are using 
>> voiceover.  
>> One other thing, I created a hotspot at the save button and a corresponding 
>> keystroke so i don't have to hunt for the save button all the time.
>> Good luck,
>> Jim
>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jim, 
>>> 
>>> this is the first time i have had to thank you for all your assistance. 
>>> Hoorah!!! I finally have been able to start importing my text recipes into 
>>> Mac Gourmet Deluxe, with the method you have described so kindly. I just 
>>> want confirmation on this pointer though because I have been doing the 
>>> highlighting and placement of the specific text into their respective 
>>> fields by arrowing to the specific edit field and then using the shortcut 
>>> key. If I reread your last email, it seems like I can just highlight the 
>>> specific info and then use the shortcut key to place it in its edit field. 
>>> Is that correct? 
>>> 
>>> On another topic with Mac Gourmet Deluxe, I was wondering if this is just 
>>> unique to my inexperience in using the app. Whe all is said and done, I 
>>> press the "Save" button in Mac Gourmet Deluxe and receive an alert message. 
>>> It states something to this affect:  "Mac Gourmet Deluxe has closed 
>>> unexpectedly" and then I am given options to restart the program, ignore, 
>>> or close, etc. when I reopen the program and check the recipe table, I 
>>> review to see if the recipe had been added and it has. I was wondering if 
>

Re: Creating Recipes In Mac Gourmet Deluxe vs. iOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jim, 

All I know is that I am a happy camper thanks to you and all of your patience 
with me. sometimes, it becomes overwhelming when you first begin with a new 
operating system and you want to perform specific tasks that require a unique 
software or app to get it done. I guess it's the old senerio of "I want it all 
and I want it now" syndrome. *Smile*

Cheers, 
Eileen 
On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> Hi I might be wrong but I think if you define a shortcut for that service 
> there is no need to do it in each separate program.
> Jim
> 
> On Feb 6, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jessica, 
>> 
>> Jim beat me to this, but I'll still post. First, I want to know if in 
>> service preferences you have the keyboard shortcut checked there and in 
>> TextEdit also. If not, you will need to open both of these programs and 
>> perform this action in each. 
>> 
>> 1. Open one of the apps at a time. 
>> 2. In Mac Gourmet Deluxe menu, either arrow down to or type in the first 
>> couple of letters "SE" to get to services. 
>> 3. VO-Right Arrow to open it and down arrow to service preferences. 
>> VO-Spacebar on it. 
>> 3. The interface will open on "Keyboard." 
>> 4. Tab over to Service Shortcuts and interact with it (VO-Shift-Down Arrow. 
>> Unfortunately, you can't use letter navigation in this list, so you will 
>> need to arrow down until you hear "Clip the recipe."To the right of this 
>> will be the check box. VO-spacebar on it. 
>> 5.  I also checked "Import recipe from web page."
>> 6. This process will need to be repeated in TextEdit in the same manner. 
>> 
>> Secondly, to answer your question about selecting or highlighting text, 
>> Highlight the text that will be entered into a particular edit field. Use 
>> the shortcut keystroke that is associated with that edit field. I haven't 
>> yet made a list of all of the Mac Gourmet Deluxe shortcut keys. As Jim as 
>> stated, command 1=name, command 5=ingredients, and command 6=directions. 
>> 
>> Oh one more thing I forgot to mention above, once the recipe has been 
>> clipped to Mac Gourmet Deluxe, you need to tab over to the label that says 
>> "Name" and the recipe that you have clipped will be listed. Enter on the 
>> recipe name and that will open the recipe editor where all the edit fields 
>> are located. When everything is said and done, I use VO-FN-Right Arrow to 
>> move to the end where the save button is located to save all my changes. I 
>> HTH. 
>> 
>> Happy cooking. 
>> 
>> Cheers, 
>> Eileen  
>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Jessica D  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi,
>>> i have mac gourmet deluxe and have one simple question, when in my recipe's 
>>> text file, do i select all of the text or just the text for the section i 
>>> am working with? also, where do i "clip recipe" in the services menu?need 
>>> to be in order to see, 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Eileen!
>>>> You are correct in that you can just press the command key.  Once you are 
>>>> in mac gourmet and in the edit field where the clipped recipe is you can 
>>>> go to the top and shift down arrow to highlight the name of the recipe and 
>>>> then press command-1.  All of the available fields have corresponding 
>>>> shortcut keys, intro, nutrition directions, ingredients and the like.  So 
>>>> you highlight the section you want and press the corresponding 
>>>> command-number key.  I can't remember them all but intro is one and 
>>>> directions is command-6 and ingredients is command-5.  All the fields have 
>>>> a number with them.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As to quitting unexpectedly I have had that happen a couple of times but 
>>>> that might be something you want to go to mariner web site and file a high 
>>>> priority ticket with them to help.  Let them know that you are using 
>>>> voiceover.  
>>>> One other thing, I created a hotspot at the save button and a 
>>>> corresponding keystroke so i don't have to hunt for the save button all 
>>>> the time.
>>>> Good luck,
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Eileen Misrahi  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Jim, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> t

Re: Creating Recipes In Mac Gourmet Deluxe vs. iOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jim, 

You beat me to it. However, I forgot to say that the entire recipe needs to be 
highlighted first before using the clipping shortcut key, which is CMD-Shift-M. 
I still want to make a list of all the commands. Human nature is to commit to 
memory the shortcut keys we use most. *Smile*. 

Eileen 
On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> Jessica!
> Select the entire recipe that you want to import and then select clip recipe 
> from the services menu.  If there is not a shortcut key defined for this you 
> can do that in system preferences.
> Once you clip the recipe you then go to the clipping section in mac gourmet 
> and vo-navigate to that table, find the recipe and press enter on that.
> This will open up an edit window and then you just select the text, name, 
> ingredients, directions and press the corresponding key.
> To enter the name, highlight it, then press command-1.  Then navigate back to 
> that edit window and select the next section you want to import.  Its very 
> easy once you can get the hang of it.  I can do a recipe in about 15 seconds 
> or so.
> for directions, highlight them, and press command-6, and for ingredients it 
> would be command-5.
> All the sections such as summary, notes, introduction have corresponding 
> command6-keys associated with them.
> 
> On Feb 6, 2014, at 9:16 AM, isaac  wrote:
> 
>> You can probably select the text you are working with
>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Jessica D  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi,
>>> i have mac gourmet deluxe and have one simple question, when in my recipe's 
>>> text file, do i select all of the text or just the text for the section i 
>>> am working with? also, where do i "clip recipe" in the services menu?need 
>>> to be in order to see, 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Eileen!
>>>> You are correct in that you can just press the command key.  Once you are 
>>>> in mac gourmet and in the edit field where the clipped recipe is you can 
>>>> go to the top and shift down arrow to highlight the name of the recipe and 
>>>> then press command-1.  All of the available fields have corresponding 
>>>> shortcut keys, intro, nutrition directions, ingredients and the like.  So 
>>>> you highlight the section you want and press the corresponding 
>>>> command-number key.  I can't remember them all but intro is one and 
>>>> directions is command-6 and ingredients is command-5.  All the fields have 
>>>> a number with them.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As to quitting unexpectedly I have had that happen a couple of times but 
>>>> that might be something you want to go to mariner web site and file a high 
>>>> priority ticket with them to help.  Let them know that you are using 
>>>> voiceover.  
>>>> One other thing, I created a hotspot at the save button and a 
>>>> corresponding keystroke so i don't have to hunt for the save button all 
>>>> the time.
>>>> Good luck,
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Eileen Misrahi  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Jim, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> this is the first time i have had to thank you for all your assistance. 
>>>>> Hoorah!!! I finally have been able to start importing my text recipes 
>>>>> into Mac Gourmet Deluxe, with the method you have described so kindly. I 
>>>>> just want confirmation on this pointer though because I have been doing 
>>>>> the highlighting and placement of the specific text into their respective 
>>>>> fields by arrowing to the specific edit field and then using the shortcut 
>>>>> key. If I reread your last email, it seems like I can just highlight the 
>>>>> specific info and then use the shortcut key to place it in its edit 
>>>>> field. Is that correct? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On another topic with Mac Gourmet Deluxe, I was wondering if this is just 
>>>>> unique to my inexperience in using the app. Whe all is said and done, I 
>>>>> press the "Save" button in Mac Gourmet Deluxe and receive an alert 
>>>>> message. It states something to this affect:  "Mac Gourmet Deluxe has 
>>>>> closed unexpectedly" and then I am given options to restart the program, 
>>>>> ignore, or close, etc. when I reopen the program and check the recipe 
>>&

Re: Creating Recipes In Mac Gourmet Deluxe vs. iOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jim, 

Thanks. I can't keep up with yu. I can tell I am still a beginner when it comes 
to navigating around my Mac. *Smile*.

Eileen 
On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> so the shortcut keys are as follows:
> command-1 is name,
> command-2 - info
> command-3 - keywords, for searching for recipes.  It is not necessary to add 
> them but will make your searches easier.
> command-4 - servings, where you enter the number of servings
> command-5 - ingredients
> command-6 - directions
> command-7 - yield, for number of cookies or number of loaves of bread.  This 
> is different than servings.  Its kind of confusing but you can't scale the 
> recipe in the yield field but you can with servings.
> command-8 - introduction
> command-9 - notes, anything you want to write about the recipe
> command-0 - nutrition information
> Hope this is helpful.
> Jim
> 
> On Feb 6, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jessica, 
>> 
>> Jim beat me to this, but I'll still post. First, I want to know if in 
>> service preferences you have the keyboard shortcut checked there and in 
>> TextEdit also. If not, you will need to open both of these programs and 
>> perform this action in each. 
>> 
>> 1. Open one of the apps at a time. 
>> 2. In Mac Gourmet Deluxe menu, either arrow down to or type in the first 
>> couple of letters "SE" to get to services. 
>> 3. VO-Right Arrow to open it and down arrow to service preferences. 
>> VO-Spacebar on it. 
>> 3. The interface will open on "Keyboard." 
>> 4. Tab over to Service Shortcuts and interact with it (VO-Shift-Down Arrow. 
>> Unfortunately, you can't use letter navigation in this list, so you will 
>> need to arrow down until you hear "Clip the recipe."To the right of this 
>> will be the check box. VO-spacebar on it. 
>> 5.  I also checked "Import recipe from web page."
>> 6. This process will need to be repeated in TextEdit in the same manner. 
>> 
>> Secondly, to answer your question about selecting or highlighting text, 
>> Highlight the text that will be entered into a particular edit field. Use 
>> the shortcut keystroke that is associated with that edit field. I haven't 
>> yet made a list of all of the Mac Gourmet Deluxe shortcut keys. As Jim as 
>> stated, command 1=name, command 5=ingredients, and command 6=directions. 
>> 
>> Oh one more thing I forgot to mention above, once the recipe has been 
>> clipped to Mac Gourmet Deluxe, you need to tab over to the label that says 
>> "Name" and the recipe that you have clipped will be listed. Enter on the 
>> recipe name and that will open the recipe editor where all the edit fields 
>> are located. When everything is said and done, I use VO-FN-Right Arrow to 
>> move to the end where the save button is located to save all my changes. I 
>> HTH. 
>> 
>> Happy cooking. 
>> 
>> Cheers, 
>> Eileen  
>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Jessica D  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi,
>>> i have mac gourmet deluxe and have one simple question, when in my recipe's 
>>> text file, do i select all of the text or just the text for the section i 
>>> am working with? also, where do i "clip recipe" in the services menu?need 
>>> to be in order to see, 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Eileen!
>>>> You are correct in that you can just press the command key.  Once you are 
>>>> in mac gourmet and in the edit field where the clipped recipe is you can 
>>>> go to the top and shift down arrow to highlight the name of the recipe and 
>>>> then press command-1.  All of the available fields have corresponding 
>>>> shortcut keys, intro, nutrition directions, ingredients and the like.  So 
>>>> you highlight the section you want and press the corresponding 
>>>> command-number key.  I can't remember them all but intro is one and 
>>>> directions is command-6 and ingredients is command-5.  All the fields have 
>>>> a number with them.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As to quitting unexpectedly I have had that happen a couple of times but 
>>>> that might be something you want to go to mariner web site and file a high 
>>>> priority ticket with them to help.  Let them know that you are using 
>>>> voiceover.  
>>>> One other thing, I created a hotspot at the save button and a 
>>>> corresponding key

Re: Creating Recipes In Mac Gourmet Deluxe vs. iOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jim, 

I tend to agee with you about the more advance features in Mac Gourmet Deluxe. 
It was the  ability  to get nutritional information on a recipe that sold me on 
the app. However, I am just in the importing of my recipes mode, so I will 
venture into this feature at a later date. 

Thanks again. 

Eileen 
On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> Glad I could help.  I've tried a lot of recipe management software and this 
> is by far my favorite.  I guess if all you want to do is store recipes then 
> Paprika would be fine but this does so much more.
> Jim
> 
> On Feb 6, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jim, 
>> 
>> Thanks. I can't keep up with yu. I can tell I am still a beginner when it 
>> comes to navigating around my Mac. *Smile*.
>> 
>> Eileen 
>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>>> so the shortcut keys are as follows:
>>> command-1 is name,
>>> command-2 - info
>>> command-3 - keywords, for searching for recipes.  It is not necessary to 
>>> add them but will make your searches easier.
>>> command-4 - servings, where you enter the number of servings
>>> command-5 - ingredients
>>> command-6 - directions
>>> command-7 - yield, for number of cookies or number of loaves of bread.  
>>> This is different than servings.  Its kind of confusing but you can't scale 
>>> the recipe in the yield field but you can with servings.
>>> command-8 - introduction
>>> command-9 - notes, anything you want to write about the recipe
>>> command-0 - nutrition information
>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Jessica, 
>>>> 
>>>> Jim beat me to this, but I'll still post. First, I want to know if in 
>>>> service preferences you have the keyboard shortcut checked there and in 
>>>> TextEdit also. If not, you will need to open both of these programs and 
>>>> perform this action in each. 
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Open one of the apps at a time. 
>>>> 2. In Mac Gourmet Deluxe menu, either arrow down to or type in the first 
>>>> couple of letters "SE" to get to services. 
>>>> 3. VO-Right Arrow to open it and down arrow to service preferences. 
>>>> VO-Spacebar on it. 
>>>> 3. The interface will open on "Keyboard." 
>>>> 4. Tab over to Service Shortcuts and interact with it (VO-Shift-Down 
>>>> Arrow. 
>>>> Unfortunately, you can't use letter navigation in this list, so you will 
>>>> need to arrow down until you hear "Clip the recipe."To the right of this 
>>>> will be the check box. VO-spacebar on it. 
>>>> 5.  I also checked "Import recipe from web page."
>>>> 6. This process will need to be repeated in TextEdit in the same manner. 
>>>> 
>>>> Secondly, to answer your question about selecting or highlighting text, 
>>>> Highlight the text that will be entered into a particular edit field. Use 
>>>> the shortcut keystroke that is associated with that edit field. I haven't 
>>>> yet made a list of all of the Mac Gourmet Deluxe shortcut keys. As Jim as 
>>>> stated, command 1=name, command 5=ingredients, and command 6=directions. 
>>>> 
>>>> Oh one more thing I forgot to mention above, once the recipe has been 
>>>> clipped to Mac Gourmet Deluxe, you need to tab over to the label that says 
>>>> "Name" and the recipe that you have clipped will be listed. Enter on the 
>>>> recipe name and that will open the recipe editor where all the edit fields 
>>>> are located. When everything is said and done, I use VO-FN-Right Arrow to 
>>>> move to the end where the save button is located to save all my changes. I 
>>>> HTH. 
>>>> 
>>>> Happy cooking. 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers, 
>>>> Eileen  
>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Jessica D  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> hi,
>>>>> i have mac gourmet deluxe and have one simple question, when in my 
>>>>> recipe's text file, do i select all of the text or just the text for the 
>>>>> section i am working with? also, where do i "clip recipe" in the services 
>>>>> menu?need to be in order to see, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 4,

Mac Gourmet Deluxe: Selecting Equipment Used For Recipe

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Mac Gourmet Deluxe Users,

On the iOS version there is a tab or button to select the equipment that one 
would use for the recipe. Does such a thing exist in Mac Gourmet Deluxe in the 
Mac version? If so, where is it found? 

Thanks. 

Cheers, 
Eileen 

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Re: Creating Recipes In Mac Gourmet Deluxe vs. iOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

> Eileen
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Jessica  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I still am unable to import recipes into mac gourmet. I don't see the 
>>>>> "clip recipe" option everyone says is suppose to exist. Where is it 
>>>>> found? I have looked in both mac gourmet and text edit services menus and 
>>>>> I can't find it.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jessica
>>>>> jldai...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks Jim,
>>>>>> This was helpful for me.  I've had mac gourmet for a while now and 
>>>>>> haven't figured out these shortcuts yet myself!
>>>>>> Will use it more now for sure.
>>>>>> Cait
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> so the shortcut keys are as follows:
>>>>>>> command-1 is name,
>>>>>>> command-2 - info
>>>>>>> command-3 - keywords, for searching for recipes.  It is not necessary 
>>>>>>> to add them but will make your searches easier.
>>>>>>> command-4 - servings, where you enter the number of servings
>>>>>>> command-5 - ingredients
>>>>>>> command-6 - directions
>>>>>>> command-7 - yield, for number of cookies or number of loaves of bread.  
>>>>>>> This is different than servings.  Its kind of confusing but you can't 
>>>>>>> scale the recipe in the yield field but you can with servings.
>>>>>>> command-8 - introduction
>>>>>>> command-9 - notes, anything you want to write about the recipe
>>>>>>> command-0 - nutrition information
>>>>>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Eileen Misrahi  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Jessica, 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jim beat me to this, but I'll still post. First, I want to know if in 
>>>>>>>> service preferences you have the keyboard shortcut checked there and 
>>>>>>>> in TextEdit also. If not, you will need to open both of these programs 
>>>>>>>> and perform this action in each. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 1. Open one of the apps at a time. 
>>>>>>>> 2. In Mac Gourmet Deluxe menu, either arrow down to or type in the 
>>>>>>>> first couple of letters "SE" to get to services. 
>>>>>>>> 3. VO-Right Arrow to open it and down arrow to service preferences. 
>>>>>>>> VO-Spacebar on it. 
>>>>>>>> 3. The interface will open on "Keyboard." 
>>>>>>>> 4. Tab over to Service Shortcuts and interact with it (VO-Shift-Down 
>>>>>>>> Arrow. 
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, you can't use letter navigation in this list, so you 
>>>>>>>> will need to arrow down until you hear "Clip the recipe."To the right 
>>>>>>>> of this will be the check box. VO-spacebar on it. 
>>>>>>>> 5.  I also checked "Import recipe from web page."
>>>>>>>> 6. This process will need to be repeated in TextEdit in the same 
>>>>>>>> manner. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Secondly, to answer your question about selecting or highlighting 
>>>>>>>> text, Highlight the text that will be entered into a particular edit 
>>>>>>>> field. Use the shortcut keystroke that is associated with that edit 
>>>>>>>> field. I haven't yet made a list of all of the Mac Gourmet Deluxe 
>>>>>>>> shortcut keys. As Jim as stated, command 1=name, command 
>>>>>>>> 5=ingredients, and command 6=directions. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Oh one more thing I forgot to mention above, once the recipe has been 
>&g

Re: Creating Recipes In Mac Gourmet Deluxe vs. iOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jessica, 

I am not using Pages, but TextEdit instead. I am saving my recipe docs as plain 
text. When I go and open a TXT file extension and use the shortcut key for 
clipping it to Mac Gourmet Deluxe, I don't have any issues with Mac Gourmet 
Deluxe opening. I haven't yet used the meal planning feature. I am trying to 
get all of my hundreds of recipes into the app first. I now need to move on to 
my braille recipe books and input manually the recipes. This will be tedious, 
but well worth it in the end. I'm wondering if Jim has used the meal planning 
feature. Maybe he can chime in. I did locate the manual materials for it, but 
stopped because I am trying to work on converting nutirtional values. In the 
manual, meal planning begins on page 85 or chapter 13. I use the "go to" 
keystroke VO-G and then tab over (Ithink one) to the edit field to type in the 
page number and press enter. I do know that it  stated that you can add, 
drag/drop, the recipe, but I will need to devote more attention to this. HTH. 

Eileen 
On Feb 9, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Jessica D  wrote:

> why can't i save recipes i have as word files in pages? when i try, it opens 
> the import assistant but then it makes me retype all the information. also, 
> how do i use the meal planner? i added something, but do not see the recipe 
> for that item, i just see the item's name, and i used copy and paste.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jessica, 
>> 
>> I just finished syncing all of the new recipes in my ipHone. I opened the 
>> "add" button in Gourmet on the phone to check to see if the new category was 
>> listed. To my surprise, it was there. I bet if you open the Gourmet app on 
>> your phone or iPad and the equipment list section, I bet it will be there. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> Eileen  
>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 3:41 AM, Jessica D  wrote:
>>> 
>>> using my mac yesterday, i added an item to the equipment list. what do i 
>>> need to do to have this new item availible on all my devices?
>>> thanks,
>>> Jessica
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Eileens Misrahi  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> YfGreat!!! You are able to clip the recipes. When you perform the shortcut 
>>>> keystroke, did it land you in a table called "name?" You can tell if you 
>>>> are there because the table will have the name of the recipe that you just 
>>>> clipped. If you land in the table that VO announces "clipping," you need 
>>>> to tab over a couple of times until you hear the word name and then tab 
>>>> one more time to hear the name of the recipe. Use the enter key to open 
>>>> the recipe editor.I used VO-RIGHT arrow 6 times.
>>>> On the next screen, use VO-RIGHT arrow 4 times and VO will say something 
>>>> like "end of text and the recipe's name." you need to interact with this 
>>>> edit field. This is where you will highlight different parts of the recipe 
>>>> for the different edit fields and use the appropriate keystroke that Jim 
>>>> listed in one of his posts recently. There will be various items to input 
>>>> and interact with various tables to make your selections for a specific 
>>>> recipe. When I'm satisfied with all the edit feilds I need to fill in, I 
>>>> press VO-FN-RIGHT arrow to get to the end to click on the "save" button. 
>>>> This completes the process. HTH.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Eileen 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Jessica  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> now that I have clipped it, how do I get everything in their respective 
>>>>> text fields in an efficient way?
>>>>> Jessica
>>>>> jldai...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Eileens Misrahi  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> HI Jessica,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just opened TextEdit. I am going to go through the steps and write 
>>>>>> this post as I am doing it. This is for you to follow the steps and you 
>>>>>> will be able to enable the necessary keyboard shortcuts. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. I'll start with TextEdit. Open TextEdit w

Re: Creating Recipes In Mac Gourmet Deluxe vs. iOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jim, 

I am interested in what you find out. I need to explain what I have. In 2000, 
during my blindness training, one of our 9 month ongoing activities was to 
create and continuously add recipes in braille. So, this was an activity that i 
continued at home. I have used plastic sheets in my braille writer and created 
the recipes on them. I never thought of creating the recipes in my BrailleNote. 
This would allow me to transfer them to different formats. I am still 
interested in what you find. otherwise, I have months and months of conversion. 
*Smile*

I look forward to your post on this topic. 

Cheers, 
Eileen  
On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> Eileen!
> Have you thought about using dictation to input your recipes from your 
> braille recipe book?
> I have used meal planer but not in this version.  Let me look at it and see 
> if I can figure it out.  Worse case you can find the recipe you want to view 
> in meal planner and do command-`(accent) to switch windows and read the 
> recipe from there.
> Jim
> 
> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jessica, 
>> 
>> I am not using Pages, but TextEdit instead. I am saving my recipe docs as 
>> plain text. When I go and open a TXT file extension and use the shortcut key 
>> for clipping it to Mac Gourmet Deluxe, I don't have any issues with Mac 
>> Gourmet Deluxe opening. I haven't yet used the meal planning feature. I am 
>> trying to get all of my hundreds of recipes into the app first. I now need 
>> to move on to my braille recipe books and input manually the recipes. This 
>> will be tedious, but well worth it in the end. I'm wondering if Jim has used 
>> the meal planning feature. Maybe he can chime in. I did locate the manual 
>> materials for it, but stopped because I am trying to work on converting 
>> nutirtional values. In the manual, meal planning begins on page 85 or 
>> chapter 13. I use the "go to" keystroke VO-G and then tab over (Ithink one) 
>> to the edit field to type in the page number and press enter. I do know that 
>> it  stated that you can add, drag/drop, the recipe, but I will need to 
>> devote more attention to this. HTH. 
>> 
>> Eileen 
>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
>> 
>>> why can't i save recipes i have as word files in pages? when i try, it 
>>> opens the import assistant but then it makes me retype all the information. 
>>> also, how do i use the meal planner? i added something, but do not see the 
>>> recipe for that item, i just see the item's name, and i used copy and paste.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Eileen Misrahi  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jessica, 
>>>> 
>>>> I just finished syncing all of the new recipes in my ipHone. I opened the 
>>>> "add" button in Gourmet on the phone to check to see if the new category 
>>>> was listed. To my surprise, it was there. I bet if you open the Gourmet 
>>>> app on your phone or iPad and the equipment list section, I bet it will be 
>>>> there. 
>>>> 
>>>> Best, 
>>>> Eileen  
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 3:41 AM, Jessica D  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> using my mac yesterday, i added an item to the equipment list. what do i 
>>>>> need to do to have this new item availible on all my devices?
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> Jessica
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Eileens Misrahi  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> YfGreat!!! You are able to clip the recipes. When you perform the 
>>>>>> shortcut keystroke, did it land you in a table called "name?" You can 
>>>>>> tell if you are there because the table will have the name of the recipe 
>>>>>> that you just clipped. If you land in the table that VO announces 
>>>>>> "clipping," you need to tab over a couple of times until you hear the 
>>>>>> word name and then tab one more time to hear the name of the recipe. Use 
>>>>>> the enter key to open the recipe editor.I used VO-RIGHT arrow 6 times.
>>>>>> On the next screen, use VO-RIGHT arrow 4 times and VO will say something 
>>>>>> like "end of text and the recipe's name." you need to interact with this 
>>>>>> edit field. This is where you will highlight diff

Re: Creating Recipes In Mac Gourmet Deluxe vs. iOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Sorry Jim. I needed to read the post word by word. I think I been at this too 
long today. Dictation. That's an interesting approach. I can just see me doing 
this and not multi-tasking... That's what I love about these list. To be able 
to brainstorm with others and acquire new ways of skinning that cat. 

Tomorrow's another day to try dictation. 

thanks. 
Eileen 
On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> Eileen!
> Have you thought about using dictation to input your recipes from your 
> braille recipe book?
> I have used meal planer but not in this version.  Let me look at it and see 
> if I can figure it out.  Worse case you can find the recipe you want to view 
> in meal planner and do command-`(accent) to switch windows and read the 
> recipe from there.
> Jim
> 
> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jessica, 
>> 
>> I am not using Pages, but TextEdit instead. I am saving my recipe docs as 
>> plain text. When I go and open a TXT file extension and use the shortcut key 
>> for clipping it to Mac Gourmet Deluxe, I don't have any issues with Mac 
>> Gourmet Deluxe opening. I haven't yet used the meal planning feature. I am 
>> trying to get all of my hundreds of recipes into the app first. I now need 
>> to move on to my braille recipe books and input manually the recipes. This 
>> will be tedious, but well worth it in the end. I'm wondering if Jim has used 
>> the meal planning feature. Maybe he can chime in. I did locate the manual 
>> materials for it, but stopped because I am trying to work on converting 
>> nutirtional values. In the manual, meal planning begins on page 85 or 
>> chapter 13. I use the "go to" keystroke VO-G and then tab over (Ithink one) 
>> to the edit field to type in the page number and press enter. I do know that 
>> it  stated that you can add, drag/drop, the recipe, but I will need to 
>> devote more attention to this. HTH. 
>> 
>> Eileen 
>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
>> 
>>> why can't i save recipes i have as word files in pages? when i try, it 
>>> opens the import assistant but then it makes me retype all the information. 
>>> also, how do i use the meal planner? i added something, but do not see the 
>>> recipe for that item, i just see the item's name, and i used copy and paste.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Eileen Misrahi  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jessica, 
>>>> 
>>>> I just finished syncing all of the new recipes in my ipHone. I opened the 
>>>> "add" button in Gourmet on the phone to check to see if the new category 
>>>> was listed. To my surprise, it was there. I bet if you open the Gourmet 
>>>> app on your phone or iPad and the equipment list section, I bet it will be 
>>>> there. 
>>>> 
>>>> Best, 
>>>> Eileen  
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 3:41 AM, Jessica D  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> using my mac yesterday, i added an item to the equipment list. what do i 
>>>>> need to do to have this new item availible on all my devices?
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> Jessica
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Eileens Misrahi  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> YfGreat!!! You are able to clip the recipes. When you perform the 
>>>>>> shortcut keystroke, did it land you in a table called "name?" You can 
>>>>>> tell if you are there because the table will have the name of the recipe 
>>>>>> that you just clipped. If you land in the table that VO announces 
>>>>>> "clipping," you need to tab over a couple of times until you hear the 
>>>>>> word name and then tab one more time to hear the name of the recipe. Use 
>>>>>> the enter key to open the recipe editor.I used VO-RIGHT arrow 6 times.
>>>>>> On the next screen, use VO-RIGHT arrow 4 times and VO will say something 
>>>>>> like "end of text and the recipe's name." you need to interact with this 
>>>>>> edit field. This is where you will highlight different parts of the 
>>>>>> recipe for the different edit fields and use the appropriate keystroke 
>>>>>> that Jim listed in one of his posts recently. There will be various 
>>>>>> items to input 

RE: Questions and Tips On Using Dictation On Mac Air

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Alex, 

 

Thanks. I guess I forgot to state in the first post that I am running ML, so
I probably will have the limit of 30 seconds. I can work around that because
these are recipes. However, I will be reading the braille with the right
finger and then operating the FN key with the left. Since I'm left handed,
this will be interesting. Thanks again and I will look up your reference at
Applevis. 

 

Cheers, 

Eileen 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 9:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Questions and Tips On Using Dictation On Mac Air

 

The commands are what you'd expect - new line and new page. If it is
Dragon-like control you are after, look into Speakable Items in the
Accessibility area of System Preferences. I have a podcast on
www.applevis.com talking about that and dictation if you want to look it up.

 

As to the limit, this only happens if you are on Mountain Lion. In
Mavericks, you can go to Dictation preferences and enable "enhanced
dictation", which lets you dictate as much as you want because it is local,
not internet-based.


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Have a great day,

Alex

mehg...@gmail.com

 

 

 

On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:49 AM, isaac  wrote:





Yes for 30 seconds or less you can dictate but as far as will it turn off or
not I am not sure.
On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Eileens Misrahi 
wrote:




Hello Folks,

I have been trying out the dictation the dictation feature on my Mac Air. I
have the FN key set to activate it and pause dictation. My question is: Is
there a list of commands that I can use for dictation? I do have Dragon
installed on my PC, so I have a knowledge base of commands. I know I can use
the basic punctuation marks, but can I add a new line or paragraph? I
believe someone stated that the native Dictation app on the Macs could only
record approx. 30 seconds. If so, does the dictation function just not
record the rest or does it simply turn off automatically after 30 seconds? I
look forward to hearing the list's thoughts on how best to use the dictation
feature. Oh by the way, I'll be dictating my braille recipes into TextEdit.

Thanks in advance.

Kind Regards,
Eileen


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Re: Questions and Tips On Using Dictation On Mac Air

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Alex, 

I actually had your podcast downloaded already from applevis. I just finished 
listening to it and made the necessary setting adjustments. With these 2 
accessible options, it gets pretty close to Dragon. Not bad and I'm sure I get 
the hang of it real quick. Thanks for the suggestion. 

Eileen 
On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> The commands are what you'd expect - new line and new page. If it is 
> Dragon-like control you are after, look into Speakable Items in the 
> Accessibility area of System Preferences. I have a podcast on 
> www.applevis.com talking about that and dictation if you want to look it up.
> 
> As to the limit, this only happens if you are on Mountain Lion. In Mavericks, 
> you can go to Dictation preferences and enable "enhanced dictation", which 
> lets you dictate as much as you want because it is local, not internet-based.
> 
> --
> Have a great day,
> Alex
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:49 AM, isaac  wrote:
> 
>> Yes for 30 seconds or less you can dictate but as far as will it turn off or 
>> not I am not sure.
>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Eileens Misrahi  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Folks,
>>> 
>>> I have been trying out the dictation the dictation feature on my Mac Air. I 
>>> have the FN key set to activate it and pause dictation. My question is: Is 
>>> there a list of commands that I can use for dictation? I do have Dragon 
>>> installed on my PC, so I have a knowledge base of commands. I know I can 
>>> use the basic punctuation marks, but can I add a new line or paragraph? I 
>>> believe someone stated that the native Dictation app on the Macs could only 
>>> record approx. 30 seconds. If so, does the dictation function just not 
>>> record the rest or does it simply turn off automatically after 30 seconds? 
>>> I look forward to hearing the list's thoughts on how best to use the 
>>> dictation feature. Oh by the way, I'll be dictating my braille recipes into 
>>> TextEdit.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Eileen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Recommendations For BT Keyboard For Mac Air With Page Up/Down & Home/End Keys

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello All, 

I am seeking recommendations for a BT keyboard for my Mac Air that has a page 
up/down and home/end keys. I am concerned with the amount of use of the VO 
keys, command key, and FN key combinations with the arrow keys that in the 
future they will wear out. It would be nice to have full navigation with Page 
Up/Down and navigation with the Home/End keys, as one has on a full keyboard on 
the PC side. I do a tremendous amount of word processing and I need to edit my 
work before sending in the final copy to my job site. Recently, the Logitech 
760 information has been posted to this list, but I could not ascertain if 
there were the keys listed above on this keyboard. Any assistance in this area 
would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks in advance. 

Cheers, 
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Installing Bootcamp On MBA: Any Tips For Success

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Everyone, 

I have made the decision to use Bootcamp and need some expert advise. I have 
listened to the podcast by Michael Hanson, Applevis editor. I do have some 
questions that those who have done this procedure in the past can answer. 

1. For the download for the Apple support software, can  this install on my 
external Window partition side or does it need to go on a thumb drive? 
2. Of course I will do a Timemachine backup before starting the Bootcamp 
installation. However, should I use a disk cloner software to backup the entire 
OS to my external drive too? 
3. I have a single disk copy of windows 8. Do I connect the optical  drive 
before starting the Bootcamp Assist program with the Windows 8 disk inserted? 

I have been reading some different websites on the Internet but it's confusing 
me more on how to go about getting Windows 8 on the MBA. I would appreciate any 
specific advise and tips to utilize Bootcamp and get this up and running. I'm 
not worried about installing Windows 8 because I have sighted assistance if 
need be. There is also a tutorial on how to install Windows without sight on 
applevis. 

thanks for reading this somewhat long email and pointing me in the right 
direction on how to be successful with this task.

Best, 
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Re: serious problems burning iso to disk on mavericks

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

Even though I can't help you with this, I am in the same predicament, as I want 
to install Bootcamp on my MBA with the OS of Mountain Lion. However, I will be 
using a Windows 8 disk, so I may have different problems that will arise. I 
wish you the best and hope you can resolve this issue. 

Cheers, 
Eilene 
On Feb 15, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Anouk Radix  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I wanted to experiment with bootcamp next to my mac os x so i wanted to burn 
> a windows iso to dvd in order to try it out.
> I have an external dvd-drive that i have bought a few months ago and used 
> successfully to read a few dvds in the past.
> I just bought some new dvdd and inserted one into the external drive. The mac 
> recognized the dvd and i told it to open finder.I went to disk utility opened 
> the relevant iso through option+cmd+o and selected burn from the files menu.
> Then i get a message cannot burn disk because the disk drive is not available.
> What might go wrong here?
> I am really peeved because i can apparently read dvds with this one but cant 
> seem to write them.
> I also tried burning the file just from the finder window but the seem result.
> I also cant find where i can eject the disk on my macbook air 2013 since it 
> does not show up on finder when containing an empty disc.
> Help would be appreciated since i need a bootable dvd (bootable flash wont 
> work).
> Thanks in advance
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Slow Download Of Windows Support Software for Bootcamp

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello All,

I have a question about Bootcamp and downloading the windows support software. 
I am only about 20 '% downloaded of the software on to a external USB thumb 
drive. The Internet speed for whatever reason is crawling to a snails pace. I 
do have the Windows 8 disk in the DVD external drive ready to go. My question 
is: Can I just download the windows support software and keep everything 
plugged in and wait to complete the rest of the installation in the morning? I 
was not expecting a slow Internet speed to tie me up. Also, my access to 
sighted assistance needs to go to sleep because he works in the AM. Will this 
mess up the installation? Please advise and give any suggestions on how to 
handle this situation.

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Eileen 


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Re: Windows 7 64 bit won't recognize Enabling Phoenix Embosser on my Mac

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Hello, 

I'm in the process of setting up bootcamp with Win 8. I have a Juliette Pro 60, 
which I needed to use a Serial to USB adaptor on my Dell laptop. I am just 
wondering if you are using an adaptor to connect the embosser to the Mac. I 
needed to set up a new printer as gerneric on my PC. Also, in Duxbury (if 
that's your translator software) you need to go into the global settings and 
select print to the gerneric printer. If you need more specific settings, you 
can contact me off list and I will look all it up, so I don't miss a beat in 
giving you all of the correct settings. 

Best, 
Eileen 
On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:

> Dear List,
> 
> Recently, I've tried to use an Enabling Phoenix embosser with my Macbook 
> which is equipped with fusion version 5 and Windows 7 64 bit. 
> I have the printer settings set to generic text but Windows doesn't recognize 
> the embosser when I try to emboss. I'm using Duxbury 11.1 as my braille 
> translator. Has anyone had success embossing with Fusion and Windows 7 off a 
> Mac? Do you know if I could be missing something here? I tried embossing with 
> a friend's Windows laptop and it worked, but with my Macbook I have no 
> success? Can anyone think of a work around?
> 
> Thank you for your time and energy.
> 
> all best,
> Ibraheem
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Re: OT: Is anyone having difficulty signing into bookshare?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

I just used Safari and logged into Bookshare with my user email and password. 
It took 2 attempts, but it did work on the second time. I am using a MBA 2013 
edition with the OS of Mountain Lion. I only give you my specs to see if there 
is a difference in what you are using with your MacBook. HTH. 

Best, 
Eileen 
On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Christine Grassman  
wrote:

> After an initial successful sign-in on my MacBook, I went back to the site 
> some time later and it asked for my password.  I have tried multiple times, 
> and I am positive the password is correct, but it keeps returning to the 
> log-in screen with the message "Sorry, an error has occurred."
> I tried clearing my history, but this did not work.  I have written to 
> Bookshare support, but past experience is that I will not hear from them for 
> some time.  Is anyone else experiencing this? 
> Christine
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Re: + ATTENTION: Immediately install patch for iPhones, iPads and iPod Touch devices. )

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jim,

I'm affraid yes. I just tested both my Mac Air running ML and it's not 
infected, but my iPhone is. The phone is running 6.1.2. Right now, I am 
debating to jailbreak or just do the update to iOS 7 to be secure. HTH.

Eileen 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 24, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> is this message for real?  has anyone checked it out yet?
> Jim
> 
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 4:19 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> This is not a trifling matter.
>> Perhaps? discussed here already, but sharing just in case.
>> My source is a very reliable technical reporter, so better safe than 
>> otherwise.
>> I might add there is wisdom for os x users too.
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:55:57 -0800
>> Subject: +[SurvPC] ATTENTION: Immediately install patch for iPhones,
>>   iPads and iPod Touch devices.
>> 
>> If you use an Apple mobile product. You had best fix it now - that is
>> about 100 million units worldwide. IF you do not fix it now, expect to
>> be hacked in the very near future.
>> 
>> http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2014/02/24/apples-massive-goto-fail-fixed-in-ios-but-not-in-os-x/
>> 
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Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Amy,

The only other thing I may add is the feel of the braille cells under your 
fingers. All braille displays have a disstinct feel to them. I have not 
investted in a dedicated braille display because I have a Braille Note 32, 
which meets my needs as a braille display. With JAWS 15 (latest built) there 
are more driver support included in the software. So, you may want to take a 
look at the list before purchasing if the braille display is supported without 
going the extra step. HTH.

Best,
Eileen

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> On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:00 AM, Aimee Harwood  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Piotr! This is the kind of thing I'm looking for.
> 
> I have a Brailliant demo coming to the A T center hopefully Friday.
> 
> Another thing I am considering is if I should keep my refreshabraille. My 
> purse is big enough to Cary a 40 cell display and I already Cary my iPad in 
> its zagfolio so I'm used to the bulk. Any thoughts on if it is worth having 
> both?
> 
> Aimee
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:49 AM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
>> 
>> I can sort of compare the brailliant to the focus. I've never actually seen 
>> a focus display, but I can definitely tell you that the Brailliant is much 
>> quieter - the focus uses the same sells as the PAC mate display, which is 
>> very noisy. The build quality is also better - aluminium body VS plastic, 
>> it's also thinner. As far as using it with Apple devices, I have no problems 
>> with it, not on OS X, not on iOS, or Windows. What it doesn't haves  a 
>> joystick though, nor any whiz wheels. As far as screen reader support, OS X 
>> and iOS is plug and play. On Windows, JAWS already installs the focus 
>> drivers, so that's something you won't have to do. For the brailliant you 
>> will need to install them yourself, which just envollves running an EXE 
>> file. That having been said, I really suggest you don't buy JAWS. The new 
>> versions are really breaking features and FS is sadly not fixing bugs. For 
>> office productivity you can use a combination of NVDA and Window-eyes, which 
>> is now free for users of Office 2010 or newer. Both of them rely far more on 
>> the com interface of office rather than screen scraping which translates to 
>> a more stable experience and the fact that reading is way more accurate And 
>> of course, both support both the brailliant and focus.
>> 
>>> On 24 Feb 2014, at 03:07 am, Aimee Harwood  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello listers. I am trying to decide what braille display to get. I am 
>>> going to get at least a 40 but am considering an 80. My main question to 
>>> you is, those of you that use your displays for work, which is better? Can 
>>> I use a 40 productively, or would I be better off with an 80?
>>> 
>>> Next is the question about connectivity. I currently have all Apple 
>>> products, but know that when I finally find an employer that will give me a 
>>> chance, I will most likely will ,e using Windows and probably JAWS. Which 
>>> display will keep my hands on the display more and reduce the amount of 
>>> time going back and forth between display and keyboard? 
>>> 
>>> If I end up going with a 40 cell display, which one works more seamlessly 
>>> with the iPhone, and MacBook Pro? 
>>> 
>>> Is there a display that can be paired with more than one device? Like with 
>>> my Refreshabraille, I have to make sure my iPad is turned off if I want to 
>>> use it with my iPhone, or I have to tell one device to forget it before I 
>>> can use it with the other.
>>> 
>>> Which displays can be supported and repaired in the United States? Is 
>>> Freedom Scintific's maintenance agreement worth the price and worth 
>>> choosing a Focus even if it isn't your favorite just to have the agreement?
>>> 
>>> Here are the displays that I am considering I currently use a 
>>> Refreshabraille and like the feel of the dots, like the keyboard, and like 
>>> the joystick. With that in mind with all the other comments and concerns, 
>>> which display would be a better fit for me?
>>> 
>>> Brailliant BI
>>> VarioConnect
>>> Braille edge
>>> Focus
>>> Active Braille
>>> 
>>> Feel free to make any other recommendations if I haven't listed one that 
>>> you think would be a good fit. I am trying to get my hands on some of these 
>>> but may not be able to get my hands on all of them.
>>> 
>>> I have been reading a lot of archived messages and looking at sites where 
>>> they are sold, but I still ckn't figure out which will be the best fit. 
>>> Unfortunately people don't go to sites and give feedback. I really haven't 
>>> found a lot of reviews online or on youtube. Any and all help or 
>>> suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Aimee 
>>> 
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RE: An explanation of interaction required

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi April, 

 

I am only 6 months out of having purchased my Mac Air. I am not sure if I made 
the suggestion to your original thread about the web site called 
macfortheblind.com. I know you are probably using Mavericks, but the 3 part 
series on the finder was extremely helpful to me in getting started and 
embracing the basic concepts. The finder to me is the guts of the computer and 
I equate this to Windows Explorer on the PC side. Do you have Skype? If so, I 
can try to help through Skype. Even though I am a relative newbie, maybe it 
will make more sense to another newbie in simplifying what I do to navigate 
around.I probably will not have the all the answers, but it’s worth a try. I  
also decided to invest the money in the 1 to 1 sessions through Apple. It was 
$99, and if you get the right person, they will be patient enough (even though 
they are coming from the sighted view). Some of the concepts with mail made 
more sense after an explanation of the status box was reviewed, as far as 
knowing if something was read or not. The VO-J has become one of my favorite 
keystrokes in mail. It will jump from the message table to the text inside. If 
I want to delete the email, I just press the delete key and it puts me back on 
the message table. Contact me off list if you would like to do the Skype thing. 

 

Best, 

Eileen 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of April
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 8:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: catherineturner2...@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: An explanation of interaction required

 

Hi Catherine Turner,

  I've used a lot of sites.  All the blocktext of the Apple sites, I've 
listened to the random lists of commands hundreds of times,  Even the 30 or 40 
page one from I think it was AppleVis.  The closet to step by step instructions 
is Tech Ease.  There examples for a few items work well at first.  Then quit 
working.  I've tried the podcasts.  However, they are low toned males, and I 
can't hear the words they speak.

I will try Tim Kilbourn's site.  

On Friday, February 28, 2014 8:47:01 AM UTC-5, Catherine Turner wrote:

Hi April, 

Apologies if you've already talked about this separately, I am rarely 
up-to-date with list mail.  But what resources have you tried for 
learning Mac/Voiceover?  I found the getting started guide (which is 
available both on the Mac and online) helpful.  Also David 
Woodbridge's podcasts.  Or have you considered getting training face 
to face with someone? 

If you start a separate thread I'll try and help you though I am 
relatively new myself.  I use Safari all the time and Mail sometimes 
so maybe I can help, I don't use Pages though. 

Catherine 
On 2/27/14, April  > wrote: 
> I think it's important to get the basics down first.  Then, users can 
> branch out and try shortcuts. 
> 
> After two months, my VoiceOver works less than it did on day one.  I still 
> have no idea how to use it to check mail, or on Safari.  I kinda got it 
> working on Calendar and Pages.  At one point.  What works one time doesn't 
> work another. 
> 
> It would be great to find step by step instructions so I can do basic 
> things, and not sit there listening to beeps instead of it doing what I 
> need it to do. 
> 
> I listened to the list of commands hundreds of times.  There are hundreds 
> of undefined commands.  It's kinds like listening to a foreign language, 
> with no reference to the the language I speak.  I have no idea what, or 
> where a command is supposed to be used.  There is no logic to the command, 
> or the labels given to them. 
> 
> If I could find a text copy of these talkies, perhaps I could eventually 
> learn how to use VoiceOver. 
> 
> If I don't I likely won't be using a computer in a year.  It seems every 
> setting I adjust based on something someone says breaks it further. 
> 
> Those of you who use it, make it sound so simple.  You know the language 
> and terms, the new user does not.  Watching someone use those terms and 
> what they accomplish would be a good thing, if I could hear the speaker. 
> Which, I can't.  It's always low toned males.  Way below my hearing level. 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:48:27 AM UTC-5, David Taylor wrote: 
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> Well, the fact is, that there are quicker ways to do things. Rather than 
>> first going to the desktop, to get to a known place, then having to go to 
>> 
>> the apps folder, etc, from whereever you are, you can use Spotlight to 
>> open 
>> an app, and it's so easy to teach. From anywhere, command-space, type in 
>> the first few letters of the app you want and if it isn't the first thing 
>> 
>> you hear, arrow to it. I just think there could be more reality in how 
>> people would actually use a computer, whereas teaching it the long way 
>> round makes anyone that doesn't know an operating system of any flavour 
>> think it has to be that inefficient. Clearly, my way isn

Re: taptapsee. For what?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello All,

I'll start with TapTapSee first. As others have said, one needs to be a good 
picture taker to use the app well without wasting the picture count. I have 
used TapTapSee to  recognize T-shirts with writing or a motif on it. After it 
has been recognized, I use the Looktel Recognizer app to take the image and 
record it in that app. It is also great to recognize pictures in ones camera 
roll. With the crowd option feature in TapTapSee, they can tell one about the 
photo in general, so one can label it.

Like others have stated, I don't have problems using Talking Goggles. I have 
used it when I have received an error message on my PC. It has recognized all 
sorts of things for me. At times, I will need to switch to another app such as 
CamFind or Digit-eyes to  get object recognition. However, it's terrific that 
we now have so many options to obtain written information when there's no 
sighted assistance. JMO.

Cheers,
Eileen 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 2, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> I like it quite a lot as well.  It is great for identifying groceries.  You 
> do sometimes have to move whatever you are looking at, of course, if you are 
> not pointed at the right section of a box or jar, but this is equally true 
> for having to take pictures.  It is very quick and no picture-taking is 
> required, so having to fiddle around with an item takes less time than having 
> to take a decent picture of the information you need identified. 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Gigi,
>> 
>> Yes, I still use Talking Goggles and it works great for me. I use it in 
>> video mode and hold it about a foot away from whatever I'm trying to 
>> identify. One thing you have to remember about Goggles is that it won't work 
>> if your iPhone is on silent, as it is self-voicing. I use it to identify one 
>> kind of cheese from another, one kind of paté from another, and to read bits 
>> of fliers that come through my door or odd bits of paper my husband leaves 
>> lying around.
>> 
>> There was a time when it didn't work, but that was fixed quite a while ago.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Mar 2014, at 14:21, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, and I think you will like it. Say, Ann, I have a friend that has that 
>>> goggles program you talked about. She says she doesn't like it any more 
>>> after it updated itself. I told her about TapTapSee, and I think she is 
>>> going to give it a try. Am I to understand that you still like the goggles 
>>> program? What do you do, just wave the iPhone at whatever you want to check 
>>> out, after you have loaded in the program, of course? 
>>> 
>>> Gigi 
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RE: Talking goggles

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

 

I just used the app a few minutes ago. For the most part, I will turn on the 
camera flash in the app located in the upper left corner. The default will say 
something like this “Flash” I will double-tap it and VO announces “Flash It,” 
and then I double tap it again to make sure the flash is on. I make sure that I 
am holding the phone perfectly in a horizontal plane. It may take a few seconds 
for Talking Goggles to say something, but it will in time. Good luck and let us 
all know if you need further assistance. 

 

Best,

Eileen 

 

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On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking goggles

 

Thanks for that! I have bought an install the app, but can make it say nothing, 
even when I put a candle package under the camera. Real-time or not, it does 
not seem to be recording images. Any help appreciated?

Sent from my iPhone

 

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On Mar 3, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/talking-goggles-camera-speech/id602999586?mt=8

 

HtH,

Teresa


Visualize whirled peas. 

 

On Mar 3, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter  
wrote:





I still cannot find this app in the app store.

Sent from my iPhone

 

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On Mar 2, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Kevin Mattingly  wrote:

Talking Goggles costs $.99 in USA

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 2, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello Jessica,

 

First of all, Tap Tap See and CamFind require you to take pictures, whereas 
Talking Goggles can be used in real time. You set it to video mode and 
double-tap on Record. The Change language now button allows you to select the 
output language. You just hold the iPhone about a foot away from the object or 
piece of print you want to identify and it starts speaking. You have to make 
sure that the phone is not in silent mode as Goggles is self-voicing.

 

Here in France it costs less than a euro, so it’s much cheaper than Tap Tap 
See. CamFind is made by the same people as Talking Goggles.

 

Cheers,

 

Anne

 

 

On 2 Mar 2014, at 20:28, Jessica Moss  wrote:





How exactly does that differ from camfind/tap tap see?  It sounds interesting 
judging by the description, but can't afford it right now, but may look into it 
in the future.

On Mar 2, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Jessica wrote:





hhere is the link.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/talking-goggles-camera-speech/id602999586?mt=8

 



Sent from my iPhone


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I can't find this in the App Store.  I do love taptapsee a lot and was glad to 
see more purchase options. Sent from my iPhone

 

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Re: mail columns all messed up now

[Eileen Misrahi]

""'Hello,

I had the same question when I went for a training at Apple a few months ago. 
They explained it that if a message hasn't been read, it would say "image" in 
the status field. This is exactly what I find in the native mail app on my Air. 
If I arrow down and have the VO cursor read it again, it will be blank unless I 
perform an action such as reply or forward. HTH.

Eileen 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 7, 2014, at 7:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Okay,
> 
> I went to the classic view in mail and, for the life of me, cannot seem to 
> figure out how to make Mail tell me "Unread" as the first column.  I tried 
> drag and drop with the mouse and the keyboard and it just don't work for me.  
> Sure, I went in to the headers with the VO+shift+back slash and no joy.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
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Dragon Dictate VS Mac built-in Dictation and Speech Navigation

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello All,

Dragon is launching a new dictate software for Mac. There is an introductory 
price of US $99.99. My question for the list is: With the ability dictate and 
navigate the Mac via speech, what would be the avantages in investing in 
Dragon? One feature that caught my attention was the ability to transcribe an 
single voice audio to script. I have used Dragon Naturally Speaking on the PC 
side and have been able to work it with JAWS without J-Say. Also, has anyone 
used Dragon with VO running in the bacground for support? 

Thanks for any input on this subject. Oh by the way, if anyone is interested, 
the promotion goes until 3/31.

Cheers,
Eileen


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Wire Headset With Mic On Mac Air Or Other Solutions For Dragon?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello There, 

This is a separate thread, but a follow up to the Dragon question vs. the 
native dictation features on the mac I have a wired headset with a microphone, 
which was bundled with Dragon Naturally Speaking for my PC. Since the Mac Air 
has a single headphone jack that is duel in nature, is there a adaptor that I 
could purchase either to plug into the jack or USB port to split the headphone 
and mic input? I also have a bluetooth Voyager Pro Plus, which I mainly use for 
when I am traveling. Does anyone know if this BT ear piece will work with the 
Air and Dragon? I look forward to hearing list members thoughts about this. 

Thanks in advance. 

Best, 
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Calendar Problems Worsen With Latest Security update For Moutain Lion?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Folks, 

I am not sure if if I need to report this to accessibility at Apple. I use to 
be able to input my appointments in the native calendar app in Mountain Lion. I 
am able to select the date and open the inspector to begin the process of 
adding an appointment. Here is where I begin to have problems. I tab over to 
the "event details" and try to VO-spacebar on it, which use to open the pop 
down list. Now, I have to tab into the area and once there even using the right 
arrow will not perform the same behavior before the security update. This was 
using the right arrow key to move from the heading to the edit field like in 
the first choice of "location." I am also having difficulty setting the "from' 
and "to" time parameters, with alerts and having problems getting back to the 
"done" button to add the appointment to the calendar. Have others had this 
problem also? What kind of steps can one suggest that may straighten this out, 
so I can use the calendar again? Please advise, as I have also seen some 
changes on my iPhone 4 with the new iOS 7.0.6 update. On the phone, I can't 
seem to find the list tab to view my appointments. 

Thanks in advance. 

Best, 
Eileen 

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Resolved the calendar problems in Mountain Lion

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Jim & all, 

I finally figured out what I was doing wrong. I was using VO-spacebar to open 
up the "Event Details," which was not the correct command to use with this 
item. I needed to interact with it, which resolved my problem of not being able 
to access the event details area. Although I have been able to figure this out 
for the Mac, I am still having some difficulties in finding the "list" button 
in the calendar app on my iPhone4 using iOS 7.0.6. May be others on this list 
can give me some pointers on how to access the list view on the phone. When I 
perform the CMD-N in calendar, it brings me to a quick view in the inspector. I 
have never use this function, so are there any tips & tricks inputting the 
right buzz words to have the info placed in the right edit fields? I look 
forward to any suggestions to utilize this function more efficiently. 

thanks in advance.

Best, 
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Re: Set default view in Finder?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Alex, 

When you are in Finder, press CMD-2 to set the view to list or CMD-3 for column 
view. These are the only 2 I will use. HTH. 

Cheers, 
Eileen 
On Mar 11, 2014, at 11:36 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> That MBP I was working on is now running fine, at least as fine as a 2010 
> machine with 2gb of ram can. I'm setting some accessibility things the owner 
> will find useful, and I want to set his default Finder view to List. I can't 
> remember how to do it, though! Can someone remind me? Thanks.
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RE: Calendar in iOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jessica, 

When the calendar app is open, you can press CMD-3 and this will change it
to month view. When it states "March, 2014" you will need to interact with
it with the keystrokes VO-Shift-Down Arrow. The other method is to open the
menu with VO-M and then the letter V to open the view menu. I believe it is
the 3rd one down in the menu and then press VO-spacebar. You will still need
to interact with the month to select the date you want to view. HTH. 

Eileen 

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how to I get to month view?
Jessica
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On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> What I want to do is to be able to get an overview of all calendar events
spanning time like over several months. I don't want to have to see every
day of the month just those days that have calendar events active. We used
to be a will to get this before the latest iOS update by simply tapping
search and then canceling it or something, and that would leave us with the
list of events. Now something has been done to change that in the list
feature doesn't seem to be all that reliable.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2014, at 2:58 PM, isaac  wrote:
>> 
>> You can also view today's events in the notifications center.
>>> On Mar 12, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, but it used to work so that only days with events would show up not
every week of the month.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 12, 2014, at 2:54 PM, isaac  wrote:
 
 No I haven't noticed this problem. When I double tap on the list button
a list of week days come up.
> On Mar 12, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone noticed a problem calendar? It seems to of been changed
again so that now there's no list feature. We used to be able to just press
search and that would bring up the list, but now there's a list button which
doesn't seem to work, and the search button does not bring up the list
anymore. Any ideas?
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iBank for the Mac? Is it accessible?bi

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Folks, 

I found this in the Mac app store and I was wondering if any one on the list is 
using it and if it is accessible with voiceover? Also, if someone is using it, 
can you print checks with it like in Quicken? 

Thanks in advance for your input. 

Best, 
Eileen 

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Re: iBank for the Mac? Is it accessible?bi

[Eileen Misrahi]

hi,

That would be great. I'm not in a hurry, because the app itself is not on sale. 
Another question I have if you can check out in the 5 or 5.1 version, is if you 
can print the checks through a printer or not. I have a very simple finance 
program for my PC that I can do this function. 

Thanks for taking the time to check this app out for me.

Best,
Eileen 

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> On Mar 21, 2014, at 2:36 PM, "Jonathan C. Cohn"  wrote:
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> I had troubles with iBank version four. I have not tried version 5/5.1 yet. 
> I'll give it a shot for my wife's computer sometime and let you know. The 
> iPhone version is accessible though.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 21, 2014, at 12:15 AM, Eileen Misrahi  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Folks, 
>> 
>> I found this in the Mac app store and I was wondering if any one on the list 
>> is using it and if it is accessible with voiceover? Also, if someone is 
>> using it, can you print checks with it like in Quicken? 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for your input. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> Eileen 
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Re: iBank for the Mac? Is it accessible"bi

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Les and Jonathan, 

I have been following all of the posts on this thread, as I was the one that 
inquired about it. I haven't downloaded the trial version, but it seems like 
there are many accessibility problems still with the current version. This is 
ashamed because I was hoping to streamline the amount of software programs I 
will need to install on the Windows bootcamp side on my Air. Of course, this is 
dependent on if the Windows 8 installer will ever properly work for me. That's 
an entire new thread that I'll need to post at a later date when I'm not so 
consumed with employment projects and required continuing education units that 
need to be obtained. Thanks Jonathan for your dedicated amount of time in 
accessing VO accessibility with iBank. You really put it through its paces and 
I'll hold off paying the fee for now to purchase the app. 

Kind regards,
Eileen 

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> On Mar 24, 2014, at 2:47 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> Thank you for posting your findings.  I downloaded a trial and can confirm 
> your findings.  I could not get past the first screen as you stated.  It's 
> good that the program's accessibility has improved, but it doesn't appear 
> ready for use by VO users yet.  Hopefully, the company will work with us on 
> accessibility improvements.
> 
> Les
>> On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:50 PM, "Jonathan C. Cohn"  wrote:
>> 
>> good Evening,
>> 
>> iBank appears to have done some accessibility work, but I was unable to 
>> properly interact with the register fields. 
>> 
>> When iBank first starts there are a few buttons that read are   actions to 
>> start using the application. These buttons are not coded as buttons but if 
>> you click them by moving the mouse to the VO cursor then you can get past 
>> the initial screen. 
>>  I was able to find my bank in the list of institutions and create saving 
>> and checking accounts through the startup wizard. The buttons in the main 
>> window have
>> text equivalents in the Help tag and most have primary accessibility labels 
>> also. There is one unlabeled button that I was unable to determine its use.
>> The main screen had promise it has two tables one with a list of options for 
>> the second table inkling  a list of accounts if you select a row in this 
>> table with either the arrow keys or voice over the second table changes. I 
>> had all my issues with the second table and perhaps they are solvable.
>> 
>> You type command-N to create a new transaction  You then get a line with 
>> just a date in it. If you hit tab then vo cursor says nothing and vi-f4 says 
>> the keyboard input is no where. This is in fact a drop down that you can 
>> activate with the enter key and select transaction types  (POS, Check, 
>> Deposit...) Hitting enter on the appropriate type will drop the pull down 
>> back to closed sate and then tab again and you are in the Payee field. I 
>> typed American Express and heard nothing but my wife said it was entered 
>> From what I can tell there is an error in the way tables are coded in that 
>> VoiceOver is only seeing the first column, and even when insertion point / 
>> keyboard focus moves to the other columns VoiceOver claims no items have 
>> keyboard focus.
>> 
>> I believe you can download a demonstration copy from the IDG web site. 
>> 
>> As I stated in my earlier note, I can add and edit transactions on the 
>> iPhone version of iBank and then I sync that wit the copy of iBank on the 
>> computer that my wife maintains. I personally chose to use only the LAN in 
>> my house for synchronization, but there is a cloud based sync option too. 
>> 
>> It appears the auto-update the transactions from the web / direct download 
>> of transactions will work, though I did not actually log into my banking 
>> account and attempt a download.
>> . 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> I am looking for a Mac equivalent to Quicken.  I looked at iBank and it was 
>>> not accessible before.  I would be very interested to know if the current 
>>> version can be used with VoiceOver.  Another program call_ See Finance 
>>> showed promise, but they never came out with the necessary upgrade that 
>>> they talked about going back to 2010.  So I am hoping for a Mac solution 
>>> here if possible.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
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Re: moving windows favorites to the mac

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello,

I know this response may be off topic to this list, but I want to give you a 
possible solution to move your favorites in IE. This is how I have done it in 
the past:

1. On the PC, open the run dialog box with the Windows key and the letter R.
2. Type "favorites" in the edit box and press enter.
3. The favorites list will now be displayed. 
4. Select all of the bookmarks in the usual manner. This can either be by 
control-A (select all) or by holding down the control and use the arrow keys, 
find the favorite and press the spacebar to highlight it. 
5. Press control-C to copy.
6. probably the easiest way to transfer is to place the IE favorites selected 
on to a thumb drive and then insert it into an USB port on your Mac machine.

Sorry for the vength of this response and I do apologize if others on this list 
see it as OT.

Best,
Eileen

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> On Mar 25, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Hi Don,
> I don't have the answer, but I am facing the same problem. I have a windows 
> XP machine which needs to go away in the very near future. I have several 
> bookmarks saved in Internet Explorer. I think those go into a favorites 
> folder, which means I am going to need to transfer those to my Mac bookmarks. 
> So if you get off-line her off list email explaining this please send it on 
> to me. Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2014, at 7:21 PM, don bishop  wrote:
>> 
>> I got my mac several months ago and have moved quite a bit of data over from 
>> my  windows machine.  I have a favorites folder in windows I'd like to move 
>> over to the mac.  The folder is currently on a portable hard drive so moving 
>> them is not a problem.
>> My question is do I move them into bookmarks or favorites.  Mac bookmarks 
>> appear to be te same thing as windows favorites. so how can I best get tehse 
>> items into the mac environment so safari will see them.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Don
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Re: moving windows favorites to the mac

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Hi Don and all,

I guess you can teach an old person new tricks. The reason why I will bring up 
my favorites through the run dialog box is to  clean out unwanted or old 
favorites in the list before migrating them. I then just do a copy and paste 
into an external drigve  of my choice. I rather take care of the clean up 
before migrating. I will tuck the other suggestions away for a rainy day. 
Thanks.

Best,
Eileen

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> On Mar 26, 2014, at 8:52 AM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the helpful replies.  Looks like I can't just copy and paste 
> them over tothemac.
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:53 am
> Subject: Re: moving windows favorites to the mac
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Don,
>> I have used a utility called xmarks from www.xmarks.com.
>> It is a browser extension that synchronizes favorites from one browser 
>> to another, it works in Internet Explorer, Firefox, Chrome on Windows 
>> and Safari and Chrome on the mac.
>> You create your account, install the extension on each browser/computer 
>> and forget about it.
>> 
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>>> On 3/25/2014 10:21 PM, don bishop wrote:
>>> I got my mac several months ago and have moved quite a bit of data over 
>>> from my  windows machine.  I have a favorites folder in windows I'd like to 
>>> move over to the mac.  The folder is currently on a portable hard drive so 
>>> moving them is not a problem.
>>> My question is do I move them into bookmarks or favorites.  Mac bookmarks 
>>> appear to be te same thing as windows favorites. so how can I best get 
>>> tehse items into the mac environment so safari will see them.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Don
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Moving A text Doc File Into A Folder

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Folks, 

I am hoping that someone can jog my memory on how to accomplish this tast. I 
create a new doc and save it to my documents folder on my Mac Air. I want to 
move this file to a subfolder in my docs folder. This is what I do, but I must 
be missing a step. 
1. Go to my docs folder in my home group. 
2. go to the file (using navigation techs) to highlight the file I want to 
move. 
3. Press CMD-C to copy the file.
4. Go to the subfolder I want to move the file into and make sure it is 
highlighted. 
5. I don't expand it, but use the keystroke CMD-Option-V to move it there. 

When I try this procedure, the file does not move into the subfolder. Can 
anyone shed some light on this and give me advise on how to get this done. 

Thanks in advance. 

Kind regards, 
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Re: Moving A text Doc File Into A Folder

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Teresa,

I just checked the view that my doc folder is in and you hit the nail on the 
head" So, I guess this was not allowing me to accomplish this task. Thanks for 
your input. It helfed greatly.

Best,
Eileen 

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> On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Eileen,
> 
> which folder view are you using: icons, list, or column? Your method won't 
> work if you have the folder in list mode. The most foolproof in this view is 
> to press command-down-arrow on this folder while in list mode. Now you will 
> be inside the folder and you can press command-option-v. You can expand 
> folders in list mode, but this is only best for browsing purposes.
> 
> HtH,
> teresa
> 
> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Folks, 
>> 
>> I am hoping that someone can jog my memory on how to accomplish this tast. I 
>> create a new doc and save it to my documents folder on my Mac Air. I want to 
>> move this file to a subfolder in my docs folder. This is what I do, but I 
>> must be missing a step. 
>> 1. Go to my docs folder in my home group. 
>> 2. go to the file (using navigation techs) to highlight the file I want to 
>> move. 
>> 3. Press CMD-C to copy the file.
>> 4. Go to the subfolder I want to move the file into and make sure it is 
>> highlighted. 
>> 5. I don't expand it, but use the keystroke CMD-Option-V to move it there. 
>> 
>> When I try this procedure, the file does not move into the subfolder. Can 
>> anyone shed some light on this and give me advise on how to get this done. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Kind regards, 
>> Eileen  
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Re: scanning within a vm

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello,

If you are talking about the Optic Book 3600, you'll be out of luck. When I 
first became a proud owner of my Mac Air last August, I attempted to install 
the drivers for it, but I had no success. I did contact the company because 
there were some drivers offer on the support web page, but they never updated 
them to work with the latest OS on the Mac. I will be interested if you can get 
your Optic Book running with VM and how you solved it. Right now, I still 
haven't been able to get Win 8 installed in bootcamp and may need to go VM 
root. 

Best,
Eileen

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> On Apr 14, 2014, at 4:46 AM, Mark Furness  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is anyone else trying to use the optic book by Plustech for scanning from 
> within win 7 on a vm?  I am having a devil of a time getting k1000 to 
> recognize the scanner. I've installed the drivers for it, as far as I know, 
> but getting a current driver has also been a nightmare!
> If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it!
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark
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Re: Viewing Recognized Text in Fine Reader?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello,

I have been following this thread out of interest regarding Fine Reader Pro. I 
have not yet purchased it, but I believe from all of the current posts and 
other discussions in the past that this app for the Mac is the most friendly 
user with voiceover. Would like to suggest a solution for wanting to quickly 
scan an envelope, which I do and then use another scan and read on the PC side 
to OCR an item that needs more attention. I use my iPhone and Text Detector app 
to sort my mail. The other app on the iPhone would be Prizmo that doesn't save 
the image if you rescan immediately. If the mail needs more attention, I use 
the scan and read OCR on my PC, but you could interchange it by using your 
scanner and Fine Reader Pro on the Mac side. JMO and an alternative. HTH.

Cheers,
Eileen 

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> On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I use a compatible scanner, there are lots of them, and after scanning, FR 
> Pro recognizes the scanned pages and then opens a save dialog. I save the 
> pages using the default file name “untitled”, and then the document opens in 
> textedit where I can read the doc. I have the format set to RTF and that 
> triggers Textedit as the default app. I suppose if i set the format to .docx, 
> it would open in pages. 
> 
> There is no viewing facility in FR Pro, but quickly saving it in a throw-away 
> file will open it in an app were you can view/edit the file.
>  
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks. I was really hoping that I could just look at the text, not save it. 
>> As I said, I usually don't need to keep a copy, I just want to see what it 
>> says.
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure you can view text of a document you have just scanned in 
>>> FineReader.
>>> 
>>> The way I use this app is as follows:
>>> 
>>> I either add new pages via the add new pages dialogue - there’s a button 
>>> there, or better still, I vo+shift+m on the name of the scanned file and 
>>> choose open with FineReader.  I guess I do this because I use Vuescan to 
>>> scan my documents first and use FineReader for recognition only as my 
>>> scanner is not compatible with FineReader.
>>> 2. After FineReader has recognised the document, in the toolbar I find the 
>>> button export all pages. A dialogue appears which gives me a choice of the 
>>> various file extensions I can choose from. Remember that the last extension 
>>> used will already be highlighted.
>>> 3. If I want .rtf, for example, I vo + arrow keys to it, and then route my 
>>> mouse cursor to vo and perform a click with vo+shift+spacebar to choose the 
>>> extension.
>>> 4. I jump to the very right of the screen where you will find “next” 
>>> button. This will now actually create a file for you which you will be able 
>>> to read. Press this button
>>> 5. A dialogue will open up with untitled file and extension. Call it what 
>>> you wish, and save it where you want.
>>> 6. After you press the save button, the file will open in the appropriate 
>>> application for the file extension you have chosen.
>>> 
>>> I don’t know of any other way of reading what you have scanned, not in 
>>> FineReader itself.
>>> 
>>> Caution: if you want to scan another document without simply appending it 
>>> to the one you’ve previously scanned, you need to choose a new task by 
>>> pressing new task button in the toolbar - I think there’s a shortcut key 
>>> under “file’ menu.  Otherwise, your new scan will be attached to the end of 
>>> the previous one.  I’ve learnt by mistakes about this.
>>> 
>>> I’m sure there’s much more about FineReader that others know more about  
>>> Hope somebody will comment if I’m wrong in what I’ve said.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Andrew .
 On 16 Apr 2014, at 15:44, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I just scanned an envelope. Unsure how to simply view a window with text 
 in it, I selected the Word file option. I'm now in a window with a bunch 
 of formatting options, two empty scroll areas, and no recognized text 
 anywhere. How do I simply see what is on the envelope I scanned? I don't 
 usually need to save text, just scan it to see what it is. Is there a way 
 to basically OCR a scan and view the results? Thanks.
 
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Re: Best scanners for text scanning

[Eileen Misrahi]

HELLO All,

I was intrigued with something that Annie said in her post. I have an Opticbook 
3600 scanner, which only has an old beta driver offered on their website. Can 
you expain what "vuescan" is and where to find it? I would like to know which 
Opticbook model you are using with the Mac? 

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,
Eileen

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> On Apr 30, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Cheryl for this.  When you say legal size paper, what size is it?  
> It would help me to understand this because when I read about various 
> scanners, this term often appears.
> 
> I, too, have my wishes for a scanner, and one of them - totally unreachable - 
> is to have an a3 scanner so that I can scan books which have pages larger 
> than a4 scanner can handle.
> 
> Best wishes, Cheryl
> 
> Andrew
>> On 30 Apr 2014, at 19:07, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually I don't have the 9000F but the canon canoscan 110. It's lightweight 
>> and portable but seems slower than my lide60 that died. I was wondering 
>> about the 9000F myself. Really, although I like portability, there are two 
>> other things I would like if I were to buy a new scanner. (1) I would like 
>> something that handles legal size documents, and (2) I would like something 
>> with wireless capability to use with vuescan or some other app for 
>> i-devices. A bookedge type would be nice too but I don't think I'll get that 
>> with my other wishes. A camera instead would be a wonderful solution but 
>> honestly I've tried that, both with the iphone and a stand-alone scanner, 
>> and no matter how hard I try to follow the instructions, I can't get the 
>> quality I need to scan books; I know other people do it but it just doesn't 
>> ever work quite for me. Being able to just turn pages and snap pictures 
>> sounds ideal but it hasn't measured up to my hopes. But don't get me wrong; 
>> I do like my 110 and I'm not griping; just sharing what I would really like 
>> to have! I pretty much take my books apart to scan them which means I don't 
>> scan library books. With all the accessible electronics options out there 
>> for paperless books and with the audible options, I don't scan quite as much 
>> as I used to but I still scan a lot and I also scan pretty much all of my 
>> mail.
>> 
>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>> His joy for my despairing tears! 
>>> And now, every day:
>>> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>>> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>> they are new every morning;
>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Cheryl and All,
>>> 
>>> Cheryl you have recently been posting regarding FineReader application and 
>>> you mentioned having a new scanner CanoScan 9000F.  Would you mind giving 
>>> me your opinion on it?  How fast is it?  What size paper can you scan with 
>>> it?  
>>> 
>>> Maybe others could share their thoughts on the scanners they use or have 
>>> used in the past.
>>> 
>>> Thanks very much
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Which Mac?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello,

I will ditto what David said. The way I handle a DVD/CD ROM drive is using an 
external one. There are plenty out there that shouldn't cost more than $20. The 
one I have is from my PC netbook days that didn't have an internal DVD drive. 
Just make sure that the drive is compatible for Macs. HTH. Oh by the way, I 
purchased an 11 inch MBA with all specs max out and it's well worth the cost if 
you can do it. I'm in the process of loading all the software that I can't run 
on the Mac on the PC side through bootcamp and it's doing a terrific job, 
barring the user's mistakes and learning Win 8. Good luck and I know you will 
enjoy the MBA. 

Take care.

Eileen 

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> On May 4, 2014, at 5:31 AM, David Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've gone for the 11 inch myself. I maxed everything out on it and find it is 
> plenty good enough for me. If you don't need a built in SD slot, it has 
> everything the 13 inch does, and easy enough to get any adaptors you need for 
> connections it doesn't have, such as Ethanet if you want that. The 
> portability is just awesome, performance perfectly good enough for almost 
> every conceivable use, and I get hours of battery even when sat outside, 
> streaming, tweeting, downloading and all sorts. I have a USB 3 hub I plug in 
> for connecting and charging everything. Works for me, anyway.
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
> 
>> On 4 May 2014, at 07:31, Tristan  wrote:
>> 
>> This was a great post. It really reopens the door to potentially
>> getting a Mac Air -- thanks Kayaker. I'd even maybe go for the
>> 13-incher, as it offers a longer battery life; though I may be
>> unnecessarily attempting to over compensate in terms of statistics.
>> I'd be happy to discuss this further with you offlist.
>> 
>>> On 5/3/14, Kayaker  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> There have been a lot of unsupported and non objective replies to your
>>> query.
>>> 
>>> All Macs you can buy today are solid performers. We have reached the point
>>> in CPU performance that there's little difference between bottom of the line
>>> and top of the line machines for us who can't see, what's the difference
>>> between 500 frames per second in some game vs. 450 frames per second when
>>> your eye can't tell the difference. I promise you the average blind user's
>>> Mac barely breaks 30% cpu day to day. This part of the reason why the PC
>>> market is declining--people don't need to upgrade as often as they had in
>>> the past.
>>> 
>>> There is absolutely no reason to buy the Macbook Pro if you are blind. The
>>> cost is mainly in the retina screen.
>>> 
>>> The single most important factor is internal memory. That will be the most
>>> significant real world speed boost for you and will help you in both
>>> bootcamp and or a virtual PC situation.
>>> 
>>> Don't bother paying for the processor upgrade. Do max out your RAM though.
>>> The internal hard drive SSD is the other place to put your money. The sweet
>>> spot in price seems to be 256G.
>>> 
>>> Some people will argue that using VM to run Windows needs every ounce of
>>> processor speed. I'll again argue the real world throughput for a blind user
>>> will be negligible. I suggest you test it out for yourself at an apple
>>> store.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've been using Macs since the beginning. They last. I still use a PowerMac
>>> G 5 that's 10 years old. Part of it works better than my MacBook Air 2012
>>> running the latest version of Mavericks.
>>> 
>>> For a blind person, the 11 inch  MacBook Air is a steal.  Max out the RAM on
>>> the entry level version and pick a HD size that fits your needs.
>>> 
>>> Doubt my suggestions? Go to an apple store and see if you notice any
>>> difference between the two models. You won't.
>>> 
>>> Take the lightness, portability and power of the current 11 inch Air, and
>>> put the extra dollars towards apps. And if you don't want a laptop, save
>>> even more and get the MacMini.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> --k
>>> 
>>> Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the
>>> questions.
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 2, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Tristan  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I've been a part of this group for some time now, and have enjoyed the
 wealth of information that I've gleaned from observing. I've finally
 come to the decision on switching from Windows to Mac. I'll either be
 getting a MacBook Air, or MacBook Pro.
 
 One of the big things for me, however, is virtual machines (or
 bootcamp). I still want to be able to virtualize a copy of Windows in
 case I have programs that will only work on the Windows side. Right
 now, the main things I do on Windows are word processing, internet
 browsing, Skype which would be possible on the Mac side, music and the
 occasional game (mostly MUDs using a low memory client). I would like
 to get a steady balance between battery power and processing power
 without having to deal with busyness and lag.
 I have my eye on t

Re: Which Mac?

[Eileen Misrahi]

of memory to disk to make room for stuff you actually need. This
>>>>>>> swap to disk process can turn any fast drive and CPU to sludge. Now
>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>> machines ship with 4GB of RAM or more and that seems to work pretty
>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>> in most cases. If you're running Windows in a virtual machine that is
>>>>>>> going to suck up a good chunk of RAM and keep it as long as it is
>>>>>>> running.
>>>>>>> So for virtual machine users I'd bump up the RAM to avoid going into
>>>>>>> swaps-a-lot mode. I just upgraded a Mac Mini from 4 to 16GB. Cost was
>>>>>>> about $160 which, as an old computer geezer, is just crazy cheap.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> CB
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 5/4/14, 12:46 PM, David Taylor wrote:
>>>>>>>> It's plenty. My MBA runs faster with a VM than any Windows machine I
>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2014, at 17:31, Tristan  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Would the 1.7 GHZ processor in a MacBook Air be enough for a virtual
>>>>>>>>> machine though? Or does most of the dependency rely on RAM.
>>>>>>>>> I don't have much experience with the whole virtual machine front, so
>>>>>>>>> clarification would definitely be welcome. I originally only opted
>>>>>>>>> with the MacBook Pro because of the higher processor statistics, and
>>>>>>>>> glancing at a fully decked out MacBook Air 13 inch and a MacBook Pro
>>>>>>>>> 13 inch retina, they come out to roughly the same price.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/4/14, David Taylor  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Many externals just work, even if they don't say they are
>>>>>>>>>> compattible,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> we are needing such drives less and less often now anyway.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2014, at 14:31, Eileen Misrahi 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I will ditto what David said. The way I handle a DVD/CD ROM drive
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>> an external one. There are plenty out there that shouldn't cost
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> $20. The one I have is from my PC netbook days that didn't have an
>>>>>>>>>>> internal DVD drive. Just make sure that the drive is compatible for
>>>>>>>>>>> Macs.
>>>>>>>>>>> HTH. Oh by the way, I purchased an 11 inch MBA with all specs max
>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> it's well worth the cost if you can do it. I'm in the process of
>>>>>>>>>>> loading
>>>>>>>>>>> all the software that I can't run on the Mac on the PC side through
>>>>>>>>>>> bootcamp and it's doing a terrific job, barring the user's mistakes
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> learning Win 8. Good luck and I know you will enjoy the MBA.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Eileen
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2014, at 5:31 AM, David Taylor
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>&g

Re: Which Mac?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Folks,

After my wonderful adventure in installing Windows 8 into bootcamp, I don't 
think I would had tried it without sighted assistance. Even though the 
instructions are detailed in the guide for installing Windows without sighted 
assistance, if you accidentally choose the wrong drive, you can be dumed. VO 
will work until you partition the drive, but once Windows begins the 
installation process, you have no speech. Also, I had problems getting the 
Windows installer to work and with creative -the-box suggestions, I made the 
ISO image and it tricked the installer and ran it from the external DVD drive. 
The last missing piece was installing Brother prinjer drivers and the software. 
This has definitely been an experience I won't forget for a while. HTH.

Best,
Eileen

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> On May 8, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Tristan  wrote:
> 
> You can use a USB flash drive if you have a Windows ISO. Also, if you
> have a super drive or some sort of other external DVD/CD reader, you
> can use that to boot off of it.
> http://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/1000/MA1583/en_US/boot_camp_install-setup_10.7.pdf
> Not for 10.9, but should work the same.
> 
> 
>> On 5/8/14, matthew dyer  wrote:
>> Intresting my iMac doesn’t have a cd drive.  I am quite happy with using
>> fusion, but I thought there was a way to take a vm and  port over to a boot
>> camp partition.  Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Tristan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Matthew,
>>> You might find this useful, although it does seem a little bit out of
>>> date.
>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/mac-os-x/installing-and-configuring-bootcamp-without-sighted-assistance
>>> 
>>>> On 5/8/14, matthew dyer  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I wish there was a way to install windows without sited help using boot
>>>> camp.  I don’t even have a thumb drive to uuse at the moment, but just
>>>> saying and perhaps it is a little bit off topic.
>>>> 
>>>> Matthew
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 7, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Eileen Misrahi 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Okay. I wasn't going to pipe in, but I purchased my Mac Air last Labor
>>>>> Day
>>>>> weekend and got an 11?. You must have big, fat fingers because the keys
>>>>> are just fine for me. As far as battery life concerns, the 13 inch does
>>>>> have the 11 inch beat, but my decision was to put the money into the
>>>>> SSSD
>>>>> to 512. To me, this was more important especially when I knew I would
>>>>> need
>>>>> some of this precious disk space for Win 8 installed in bootcamp.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When thinking about either using bootcamp with Windows or VM Ware
>>>>> decide
>>>>> which programs need to be install and how much power you will need to
>>>>> run
>>>>> it all. I took the bootcamp route and I'm glad I did after reading the
>>>>> threads others have posted in the past related to a program that
>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> install, problems with JAWS, or just other silly stuff. I wanted to
>>>>> have
>>>>> full power on the Win side. HTH.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Eileen
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 7, 2014, at 7:17 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My business has an elve-inch, but if I ever have the money, I'd do the
>>>>>> thirteen. The battery is indeed better, but I'd want the SD slot.
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> is a device called a Nifty Mini Drive, which is a micro SD card holder
>>>>>> that sits flush with the MBA's body. It gives you up to 64gb of
>>>>>> storage
>>>>>> on the card, but is flush so you never even know it's there. Also, the
>>>>>> function keys across the top are larger on the bigger model, and I use
>>>>>> them enough that I'd like them to be big instead of tiny.
>>>>>>> On May 7, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I went for the 13 inch Air as well when I bought back in July last.
>>>>>>> Battery life was a consideration but I also like the feel of the 13
>>>>>>> inch
>>>>>>> better than the 11 inch. Ergonomics matter too.

Overheating MBA When Running Windows In Bootcamp

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello All,

I would like to know if others have experience their MBA or Macbook Pro getting 
warm when running Windows 8 in bootcamp. I'm not sure if thisis just normal 
because of the Windows side using more resources. I have an external drive and 
the Pearl camera plugged into the 2USB ports. Would this be why it's getting 
warm? Also, will the MBA handle a 3.0 USB hub? I haven't purchased one as of 
yet, but having to change the devices in and out of the ports is beginning to 
get old.

Thanks in advance for your input and advice.

Best,
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Re: Overheating MBA When Running Windows In Bootcamp

[Eileen Misrahi]

For those who have responded, thanks. I will keep an eye on it. I am on the Mac 
side as I respond to this email and it is only slightly warm, but everything is 
warm and hot here. Thanks again. 

Eileen 
On May 16, 2014, at 3:49 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I don't have Windows 8 or an MBA. I can tell you this, though: the fan on my 
> Mac Mini rarely runs, and when it does, it is usually when I'm running a 
> virtual machine of Windows. You will also find your battery life shortened 
> when using Windows, most likely. Yes, modern macs all have USB3, but even if 
> they didn't, your hub would just drop back to USB2 and still work.
> On May 16, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I would like to know if others have experience their MBA or Macbook Pro 
>> getting warm when running Windows 8 in bootcamp. I'm not sure if thisis just 
>> normal because of the Windows side using more resources. I have an external 
>> drive and the Pearl camera plugged into the 2USB ports. Would this be why 
>> it's getting warm? Also, will the MBA handle a 3.0 USB hub? I haven't 
>> purchased one as of yet, but having to change the devices in and out of the 
>> ports is beginning to get old.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for your input and advice.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Eileen 
>> 
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Re: Typing program for blind students

[Eileen Misrahi]

Thanks Katie for jogging my memory. I got the first part, but not the last. 
This app was recommended by another AT trainer here in CA. The app is being 
used throughout lower and higher education. I'm glad to hear that a Mac version 
will be released soon. The developer previously was employed with Dancing Dots. 
Just some FYI.

Eileen 

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> On May 27, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Jeremiah. There's a program for the PC that's very fun and interactive 
> called Typeability. Kids and adults really love it! My mom and step father 
> David Pinto have a company called Yes Accessible that sells the typing 
> program. You can visit their website at www.yesaccessible.com to get more 
> info about it. They will be creating a version of this for the Mac soon.
> Katie
>> On May 27, 2014, at 8:18 AM, jbeas...@wcbvi.k12.wi.us wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I am looking for a typing program to use with blind students on the Mac.  I 
>> am wanting something like the Talking Typing Teacher or Talking Typer from 
>> APH.  If anyone knows of a program like this or a good typing program that 
>> works well with VO please let me know.  I really appreciate your help!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jeremiah
>> 
>> _
>> Jeremiah Beasley
>> Assistive Technology Specialist
>> Wisconsin Center for the Blind and Visually Impaired
>> jbeasley at wcbvi dot k12 dot wi dot us
>> Web: www.wcbvi.k12.wi.us
>> iAccess Blog: www.iaccessblog.com
>> Phone: 608.758.6157
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Re: Audio description app for IOS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello All,

It was unfortunate that the company that developed MovieReading went belly up. 
I was fortunate to have seen Fellamena in the movies. It was such a pleasure to 
have in-depth audio description and not to have rely on my husband to perform 
that service. He did a great job, but there was so much to describe that I 
missed when he needed to do this for me. It was the first time that I 
thoroughly enjoyed going to the movies. JMO. 

Eileen
On May 31, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> I wish it had the option to have audio description for tv shows instead of 
> theater only, considering the fact that people want to know what's happening 
> on the shows they're watching as well, and it can be a pain in the kneck to 
> set your TV up in order to have audio description, and not everybody wants to 
> hear it.
> On May 31, 2014, at 2:25 AM, Jamie Tachiyama  wrote:
> 
>> I agree, it was a disappointment.
>> 
>> 
>> Jamie T
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>> Twitter: @BDHobbies
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/blinddragonhobbies
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2014, at 9:35 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes Philomena is still the only one they have. I want to watch that 
>>> particular film so will use it, but it's a shame there's nothing else.
>>> 
 On 31/05/2014, at 3:01 pm, Christina C.  wrote:
 
 I could be wrong but, the last time I looked the only movie available wit 
 the movie reading app is Filamena. I kept looking for a long time because 
 I felt this was a very promising app. I hoped that I would be able to use 
 this app to listen along side without disturbing sighted folks who were 
 not watching the described version on the DVD.
> On May 30, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> From what I got from a post about this app through the Viphone list, yes 
> it does both.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> 
>> On May 30, 2014, at 5:43 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>> sorry about that; I was in error. It was misleading, because the 
>> description of the app mentions subtitles. I admit that I'm now 
>> confused. Does it do both subtitles and audio description?
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think this app is for audio description. I think it's for 
>>> reading subtitles in various languages. That is interesting to me, but 
>>> not descriptive audio.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
>>> 
 On May 30, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Jessica  wrote:
 
 It is called movie reading 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On May 30, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Lisette Wesseling 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> Please can somebody tell me what the app is called for iThingies 
> which has the descriptive tracks for movies which gets triggered by 
> the sound track to speak at the right points in the film. I've looked 
> on Applevis under audio description, and also on Google but can't 
> seem to find it.
> Many thanks.
> Lisette
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RE: which lap top

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi, 

 

Just food for thought. Unless one purchases a 17 inch PC laptop, a numpad is
not included in the keyboard layout on the PC side either. (Maybe OT).
Hence, I have to use a USB external numpad. Because I have Win8 installed in
bootcamp, I have plugged in a full USB keyboard, with a numpad. When I need
to use it on the Mac side, one needs to remember that the ALT key is the
option key (Mac), and the Windows key is the command key on the Mac side. I
do miss not having a dedicated home/end key on the Mac Air's keyboard. I can
access the beginning and the end of a sentence, but navigating with more
advance options have never worked out for me with the native Mac Air
keyboard. JMO. May be I just don't know all the tricks of the trade yet.
*Smile*

 

Best, 

Eileen 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: which lap top

 

Hi,

 

No, none of the Mac Laptop models have a built-in NumPad.  There's just not
enough space for one.  Your options are to use a external USB or Bluetooth
NumPad or to use an external extended keyboard either USB or Bluetooth.

 

HTH.

 

Later.

 

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 

 

On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:





None do, to my knowledge, at least not the modern machines. As others have
said, you can purchase a USB or bluetooth numpad, or a full-sized keyboard
that includes a numpad.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Marianne Denning 
wrote:





I need to purchase a MacBook.  The person who will use it has no
vision.  The one thing that is important is a key board with the
numeric key pad on the key board.  I have a MacBook Air and it does
not have this.  Do any of the MacBook pro computers have this?

-- 
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(513) 607-6053

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Error Message Attempting To Launch Paprika Recipe Manager

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Folks, 

I thought I would venture in using Paprika again, since I have also installed 
the ap on my phone. I was looking for a particular recipe and I thought it was 
in MacGourmet, but I guess it never was uploaded. On the Mac side, I am getting 
an error message that Paprika can't be open and to download it again. My 
question is to the list, will I need to purchase this app again or will I get a 
"restore" purchase button instead? Please advise on how to proceed. 

Thanks in advance. 

Best, 
Eileen 

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Re: Error Message Attempting To Launch Paprika Recipe Manager

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jim,
No. I thought I had a particular recipe in Paprika, so I tried to launch it and 
got the error message. I have since prepared the Mango Lime Couscous and  it's 
cooling in the refrigerator. I haven't used Mac Gourmet in a little bit, so I'm 
a little rusty on the commands to  import the recipe. I'm almost done with the 
chocolate chip cookies, so I'll have time to get back in the swing of things. 

Eileen

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> On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> Did you give up on Mac Gourmet?
> jg
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Folks, 
>> 
>> I thought I would venture in using Paprika again, since I have also 
>> installed the ap on my phone. I was looking for a particular recipe and I 
>> thought it was in MacGourmet, but I guess it never was uploaded. On the Mac 
>> side, I am getting an error message that Paprika can't be open and to 
>> download it again. My question is to the list, will I need to purchase this 
>> app again or will I get a "restore" purchase button instead? Please advise 
>> on how to proceed. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> Eileen 
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RE: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Gigi,

 

I can commensurate with you. When I was in grad school between 2005-2008, I
did the same thing. Unfortunately, when I always attempted to recreate what
I had deleted, it never came out the way it did the first time. I was using
a PC at the time and all of my problems existed because I would highlight
some text, but because it was probably in the wee hours, I didn't move the
cursor off to deselect and save the doc without realizing that I had lost a
file or important text. Control-S (PC or Command-S (Mac) became my friend. I
also elected to check to make an automatic backup of any document. At least
that would save my buns if I repeated the stupid mistake. I really do feel
for you. I hope you can reconstruct the tables less than 2 hours. 

 

Best, 

Eileen 

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Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 9:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on
the Mac.

 

Hi guys 

I have another request for testing when some of you get around to it. I
discovered a very bad bug in Pages having to do with the iPhone and iCloud.
Don't do what I did or you can lose your files or parts thereof that are
near and dear to you heart. Part of this is a VoiceOver issue, and part is
not. Here is the disaster I created for myself. 

 

Last night I worked on a Pages file until 10 o'clock. I failed to press
command s, and this turned out to be a very bad decision. I made an even
worse decision this morning. This file had two tables in it. I decided to
see if tables would ok on the iPhone; they work great on the Mac these days.


 

So, I fired up my iPhone in Pages. I was using the Focus 14 braille display
and discovered that I could get into a table, no prob, get into a cell, no
prob, but could not delete characters I wanted to take out with chord d.
Then in messing around somehow, and I still don't knowhow I did this, I
erased one of the tables. I tried to undo it, and it didn't work. 

 

So I went back to the Mac, and sure enough it was gone. Then I decided to
see if I could get an older version. That was when I found out that I
couldn't read with VoiceOver what my version choices were except for one,
the one at 8 o'clock yesterday evening. I was hoping I had a later one, so I
had to call that 877 number again so the lady with Apple could look at my
screen by helping me to move the mouse without VoiceOver saying a word. She
told me I had three choices, none of which were at 10 o'clock last night.
This meant I had to do two hours work over. I also moved all my Pages files
off the Cloud so I can use my Time Machine backup for disasters. 

 

Regards, 

Gigi 

 

On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:





I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for
accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 


On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, "Littlefield, Tyler"  wrote:

Please do reread his post. He didn't say "please tell me what you're
testing," he said "If you're a tester, please look at this if you can
because it was unaccessible last time." Which anyone could do with no
problems while not disclosing any information about the beta itself.

Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a vm!
The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they
are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and
time and time again. 

 

 

Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

 

On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:





Hello.

For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, please
test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't very
accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then people may
want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a document as
you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a Mac.

Thank you.

Kawal.

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Re: Mac Daily News

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Monitors, 

It would be nice to have some clarification on this matter. The one that now 
seems to think it's okay to post from MacDailyationews is the one who 
complained that this type of spam was cluttering the list. I myself will choose 
which of these topics interest me or which ones I need to use the delete key. 
It would just be great to have some direction from the monitors.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,
Eileen

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> On Jun 10, 2014, at 3:42 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler"  wrote:
> 
> For what it's worth, all the bickering back and forth has created more spam 
> (including this email) than anything else. I guess if general concensus is to 
> let him spam, then spam away. I've just filtered all emails from him to 
> /dev/null via procmail, so it's not a bother any longer.
> Enjoy your news, folks!
>> On 6/10/2014 5:59 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>> I came back to 20 messsages having been forwarded. If you want news, get it 
>> on the web as has already been stated. This list, from what I understand was 
>> for questions, not news updates. Just because you can't be bothered to go 
>> get all the same announcements he is doesn't mean nnoone else will.
>>> On 6/10/2014 5:17 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
>>> So, because you didn't see the point, someone else is supposed to modify 
>>> their behavior?  In case you didn't catch that, the emphasis was on the 
>>> pronoun "you."
>>> 
>>> Seriously,
>>> 
>>> CJ
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Dave O.  wrote:
 
 If people are interested in the types of things he was posting, they can be
 found on the web.
 
 I didn't really see the point, since it didn't really fit into the purpose
 of this list.
 
 
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Re: question about running Windows on a Mac

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello,

I recently installedWin8 on a MBA that has 8 GB of RAM using an Intel 7 
processor in bootcamp. I'm running ML and it's definitely the fastest PC I have 
ever had. I have solved a couple of issues such as sharing files/folders using 
One Drive or Dropbox and setting up the default startup or boot into Windows 
first. I find it easier through the bootcamp control panel to restart back into 
the Mac. I do have a small utility program called Bootcham to handle the ease 
of switching between the 2 operating systems, but it seems like there maybe 
something in ML that is conflicting with the program. This pqogram seems to 
work well in Mavericks. The only thing I wish I did was to allocate a little 
more disk space in the setup of bootcamp. I thought 100 GB for ROM would be 
enough, but with the installation of the following, it took almost 40 GB. I 
installed JAWS Openbook, Kurzweil, Duxbury, Office 2010, Dropbox, One Drive, 
Skype, Zello, my printer/soffware, and I think that's it. Oh! Of course, iTunes 
to handle the iPhone) I hope this gives you an idea of the amount of disk space 
and that like other who have responded, ar enjoying the best of 2 worlds.

Eileen

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> On Jun 13, 2014, at 8:34 PM, "Tristan"  wrote:
> 
> I'm running a VM of Windows 7 SP 1 on a MacBook air i7 (1.7 GHZ, 8 gig ram) 
> and it is blazing fast. I have never seen Windows operate so sleekly, even on 
> high-end laptop PC's. Switching between Fusion and Mac is a breeze.
> I agree with Chris. Right now, I have 4 gb of RAM allocated to Windows, 
> leaving 4 for Mac and I get no slowdowns. 4 GB only can be a little tight. 
> It's more expensive, but take into consideration that the MacBook Air line is 
> at the cheapest it's ever been. Also, investing so much in a MacBook means 
> that you want it to last (or I'm hoping you do!). RAM is soldered onto the 
> logic board, so there's no feasible way to upgrade it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 11:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: question about running Windows on a Mac
> 
> No reason why not. The Air comes with a minimum of an i5 Intel processor 
> which is pretty speedy. In some ways, a Mac can make for a nicer Windows 
> laptop than some purpose-built Windows hardware. That said, I'd bump up the 
> RAM if you can. 4GB is going to be a bit tight if you want to allocate 2GB or 
> so to Windows in a VMWare Fusion setup. I have a MacBook Pro with 8GB RAM and 
> that feels much more comfy. From what I can tell, Windows beats on hard 
> drives and folks I know running VMWare on SSD have a much faster performance. 
> As far as ways to run Windows, Fusion or BootCamp are the main methods. You 
> can fiddle with the free Virtualbox but you'll get there sooner with Fusion. 
> Asking about Fusion v. Bootcamp will get you a lot of opinions wither way. 
> Bootcamp lets you get the full speed of your hardware but you have to reboot 
> to get back to the Mac, making it harder to integrate stuff from both 
> platforms. VMWare adds a layer of goo for Windows to ride on top of which 
> slows down performance, but at least you can copy/paste between the two 
> worlds and, when you don't need Windows, you just quit vmware.
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 6/13/14, 10:44 PM, Juliette wrote:
>> I am interested in getting a Mac Book Air, but was wondering if this 
>> would have enough power to run Windows. Also, is it still relevant 
>> that you can only run Windows either from Boot Camp or Fusion?
>> Thanks.
>> 
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RE: Vulnerability of running Windows on a Mac

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

 

I am using Win 8 in bootcamp and treating this portion of my MBA as though I 
was running a stand-a-lone Windows machine. That said, I have installed Nod-32 
antivirus because of the nature of Windows having the potential of catching a 
virus. I have been there and done that, so I don’t want to bring this machine 
down or have to reformat it. JMO. 

 

Eileen 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vulnerability of running Windows on a Mac

 

More specifically, while a virtualized instance of Windows is just as 
suceptible to viruses and Windows running on a real box, how that overflows to 
your Mac depends on how much access to your Mac you give Windows. I don't give 
Windows direct access to my Mac's drive as usually being able to cut and paste 
between the two worlds does what I need. You can also set it up where you can 
copy files from the Mac to the PC and back. While PC viruses in files moved to 
your Mac won't effect your Mac, you might pass them along to another Windows 
user who will care. Also, while few voiceover users will care about Office for 
Mac because of its near total inaccessibility, any Word macro viruses are, by 
definition, cross-platform. So if you do use Word on the Mac you probably 
should have your files scanned just in case. 

CB

On 6/18/14, 9:30 AM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

Yes, of course! Windows is still Windows wherever it is! However, if you have 
good Windows protection it is not inevitable that you have viruses; you just 
have to be vigilant and keep up-to-date. Also remember that one can not afford 
to be unprotected on the Mac opperating system either. 

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

"This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness."

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Jun 13, 2014, at 11:10 PM, George Cassell  wrote:





If one were to run Windows on a MacBook Air, would that copy of Windows, and 
it's host computer, still be vulnerable to the viruses and other malware that 
currently infests the world of Windows computers, thus requiring all that 
system protection that doesn't seem to really work anyway?

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Problems With Downloding Maps In Navigon

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello All,

I'm about to pull my hair out on downloading the 2013 maps for Navigon. I have 
just spent more than 1 hour trying select and get the maps into the map list in 
Navigon. There must be some trick to the trade with this or I am just about to 
take it off the phone. The maps in the map managerkeep refreshing. I did what 
one post suggested to scroll and do a split double tap to select the desired 
map. I then went to the "accept" button and tapped on it. None of my selections 
were placed into the map folder to use. It seems like the current version is 
broken and I'll need to replace it with another GPS app. If there are any 
directions that will assist in the selection process of the maps in the map 
manager folder, please let me know.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,
Eileen


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Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Folks, 

After several discussions about using braille, I decided to pair my BrailleNote 
Apex with my MacBook Air 2013. Pairing was no problem. I checked my settings in 
the voiceover utility to make sure that contracted braille was checked. 
However, when I opened a DOCX file with iText Express, the braille on the 
display was in uncontracted braille. Is there a setting that I am missing? 
Also, I have reviewed some of the braille keystrokes recently, but I was having 
difficulty panning to the next line. If someone can point me in the right 
direction that would be fantastic. In the meantime, I will begin to search out 
the braille commands in both the Apple documentation and at Humanware. Thanks 
in advance for your assistance. 

Kind regards, 
Eileen  

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RE: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jason, 

Earlier today, I reviewed the support documents from Humanware for the Apex
using it as a braille display with VO, the "getting Started With VO"
document in the Vo help menu and the VO command help table for braille
commands. There wasn't much in the latter. I did put on keyboard help and
noticed a number of keystrokes with the Apex that weren't assigned. I'm
assuming that I can use these in assigning a keystroke with VO. The problem
still exists with the inability to pan from line to line and seeing the text
on the Apex's braille display in uncontracted braille. I also made sure that
the Apex contracted braille was turned on and it was. This is very funky.
The experience with my iPhone4 is quite different, with other items to get
use to. Any further suggestions on how to problem solve this would be great.


Thanks to all that have responded. 

Eileen 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason White
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> Also, I have reviewed some of the braille keystrokes recently, but I 
> was having difficulty panning to the next line. If someone can point 
> me in the right direction that would be fantastic.

I just started exploring this today. My display doesn't have a braille
keyboard for input, so the keys will be different. However, if you invoke
VoiceOver keyboard help with control-option-k, you should then be able to
press keys, or combinations of keys, on the braille display to find out what
commands have been assigned to them. The VoiceOver documentation also lists
braille display commands, most involving entering braille characters in
combination with the space bar, i.e., as chords, as they used to be called.

Special keys, buttons etc., on your display should also be associated with
commands. If not, you can use the VoiceOver utility to assign commands to
keys as you wish.

I hope this helps.

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RE: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

I just responded to Jason's post on this matter. When you suggested to look
at the mapping for the Apex in VO, where would I find this? I would assume
in VO utility in braille. Is that correct? When I had either a Text Edit or
iText Express document opened, the 2 inner keys on the Apex interacted with
the doc and the 2 outer ones stopped interacting. Is this the way it should
be acting? I do have Win 8.1 installed through bootcamp, so my best bet to
use the Apex is through either JAWS or WE. Currently, I only installed JAWS
on the Mac Air, but I'm getting pretty close in installing WE also. It's
nice to have a choice when attempting to use braille to navigate the
computer. Thanks for your suggestions and I look forward to further
instructions on where to find the mapping for the Apex. 

Kind regards, 
Eileen 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

Hi Eileen,

To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard.  As you can see, it
doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields.  I'd encourage you
to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison.  Don't get your hopes
up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers,
I'm afraid.

With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what
all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility.  I changed
the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the
inner ones.

I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll
try and recreate your issue.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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RE: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Robert, 

Thanks for that explanation. When I reviewed the command list for the Apex,
the thumb buttons should pan the document to advance or go back to the
previous chunk of 32 cells, which is the total cells on the Apex. I'll have
to dig into this more when I have another amount of spare time to devote to
it. Thanks. 

Eileen 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert C
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

Eileen,
Tho I am far from being a proficient user of a braille display (the
Braille Edge) with the Mac or iPhone, here is what I think may need to be
made clear.

The commands list in the VO guide is the list of "commom" commands that
can be used on any braille display. Most of these seem to work.

There is then a smaller list of commands that are specific to each
display, assigned to the device's own buttons such as the pan commands which
on the Edge are assigned to the scroll buttons.

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On 6/24/2014 3:08 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just responded to Jason's post on this matter. When you suggested to 
> look at the mapping for the Apex in VO, where would I find this? I 
> would assume in VO utility in braille. Is that correct? When I had 
> either a Text Edit or iText Express document opened, the 2 inner keys 
> on the Apex interacted with the doc and the 2 outer ones stopped 
> interacting. Is this the way it should be acting? I do have Win 8.1 
> installed through bootcamp, so my best bet to use the Apex is through 
> either JAWS or WE. Currently, I only installed JAWS on the Mac Air, 
> but I'm getting pretty close in installing WE also. It's nice to have 
> a choice when attempting to use braille to navigate the computer. 
> Thanks for your suggestions and I look forward to further instructions on
where to find the mapping for the Apex.
>
> Kind regards,
> Eileen
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin 
> Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:28 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
>
> Hi Eileen,
>
> To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard.  As you can see, 
> it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields.  I'd 
> encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison.  
> Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from 
> the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid.
>
> With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out 
> what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility.  
> I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical 
> navigation to be the inner ones.
>
> I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and 
> I'll try and recreate your issue.
>
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
>

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RE: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Jessica, 

This is the only thing that I am having problems in with ML. I won't go as
far as a clean install of the OS, since it was a bear to get Win 8.1
installed in bootcamp. That is another topic or thread for this list in the
future. I have lived without a braille display this long, I can wait until
Yosemite comes out and hope that this can be fixed in the new operating
system. Thanks for your post and taking the time to write. 

Best, 
Eileen 
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

Have you tried a reset of both devices? Kd that does not help, a clean
install of osx may be needed.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:01 PM, "Eileen Misrahi" 
wrote:
> 
> Hi Jason,
> 
> Earlier today, I reviewed the support documents from Humanware for the 
> Apex using it as a braille display with VO, the "getting Started With VO"
> document in the Vo help menu and the VO command help table for braille 
> commands. There wasn't much in the latter. I did put on keyboard help 
> and noticed a number of keystrokes with the Apex that weren't 
> assigned. I'm assuming that I can use these in assigning a keystroke 
> with VO. The problem still exists with the inability to pan from line 
> to line and seeing the text on the Apex's braille display in 
> uncontracted braille. I also made sure that the Apex contracted braille
was turned on and it was. This is very funky.
> The experience with my iPhone4 is quite different, with other items to 
> get use to. Any further suggestions on how to problem solve this would be
great.
> 
> 
> Thanks to all that have responded. 
> 
> Eileen
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason White
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
> 
> Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>> Also, I have reviewed some of the braille keystrokes recently, but I 
>> was having difficulty panning to the next line. If someone can point 
>> me in the right direction that would be fantastic.
> 
> I just started exploring this today. My display doesn't have a braille 
> keyboard for input, so the keys will be different. However, if you 
> invoke VoiceOver keyboard help with control-option-k, you should then 
> be able to press keys, or combinations of keys, on the braille display 
> to find out what commands have been assigned to them. The VoiceOver 
> documentation also lists braille display commands, most involving 
> entering braille characters in combination with the space bar, i.e., as
chords, as they used to be called.
> 
> Special keys, buttons etc., on your display should also be associated 
> with commands. If not, you can use the VoiceOver utility to assign 
> commands to keys as you wish.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
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RE: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

[Eileen Misrahi]

HiAlex, 

 

You are correct that space-G will toggle between contracted and uncontracted
braille in VO. When I poked around in the VO utility-braille and clicked on
"assigned keystrokes," I was only given a short countdown to input the new
keystroke to change the setting. Do I need to tab to a table for the list of
assigned keystrokes in VO for braille? This is all new to me, as I begin
increasing my skills and venturing out from the basics. 

 

Thanks in advance for your assistance. 

 

Best, 

Eileen 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

 

All commands are in VO Utility > braille > Assign Commands. There, as the
name suggests, you can change any commands you don't like in addition to
reviewing what is already there.

 

As to your braille grade, there is no relation between it and the Apex's
settings. The Mac is driving everything, so simply be sure to enable or
disable contracted braille in VO's braille settings. There should also be a
command to do this, and space-g is coming to mind, but I might be thinking
of iOS.

On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Misrahi 
wrote:





Hi Jason, 

Earlier today, I reviewed the support documents from Humanware for the Apex
using it as a braille display with VO, the "getting Started With VO"
document in the Vo help menu and the VO command help table for braille
commands. There wasn't much in the latter. I did put on keyboard help and
noticed a number of keystrokes with the Apex that weren't assigned. I'm
assuming that I can use these in assigning a keystroke with VO. The problem
still exists with the inability to pan from line to line and seeing the text
on the Apex's braille display in uncontracted braille. I also made sure that
the Apex contracted braille was turned on and it was. This is very funky.
The experience with my iPhone4 is quite different, with other items to get
use to. Any further suggestions on how to problem solve this would be great.


Thanks to all that have responded. 

Eileen 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason White
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

Eileen Misrahi  wrote:



Also, I have reviewed some of the braille keystrokes recently, but I 
was having difficulty panning to the next line. If someone can point 
me in the right direction that would be fantastic.


I just started exploring this today. My display doesn't have a braille
keyboard for input, so the keys will be different. However, if you invoke
VoiceOver keyboard help with control-option-k, you should then be able to
press keys, or combinations of keys, on the braille display to find out what
commands have been assigned to them. The VoiceOver documentation also lists
braille display commands, most involving entering braille characters in
combination with the space bar, i.e., as chords, as they used to be called.

Special keys, buttons etc., on your display should also be associated with
commands. If not, you can use the VoiceOver utility to assign commands to
keys as you wish.

I hope this helps.

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RE: TapTapSee for ipad?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Have you tried "TapTapSee" (without the quotes)?

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Subject: TapTapSee for ipad?

When I go to Appstore on my iPad 2, under the Purchased tab, I can enter
Taptapsee into the search field, and it pulls up "blind and visually
impaired camera," but then says "there are no search results for Taptapsee,
blind and visually impaired camera."  I swore there was a version for iPad,
and that I had it before I got my iPHone 5, which has since masticated the
humous.  Is there not a version for iPad 2 running IOS7.1.1? 

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RE: motionXgps drive.

[Eileen Misrahi]

I'm sure we will get different opinions on different GPS apps. I started a
long time ago with Navigon and even when I acquired other GPS apps to try, I
always went back to Navigon. I still do have Motion GPS X on my iPhone, but
it's out dated and I would have to pay for it again to have the voice
guidance. What's nice about Navigon is that I can choose the states that I
need to have on the phone and not have to install the entire huge file. This
will save memory space on the phone if one is limited. With TomTom, that's
not an option, although I have TomTom Western Europe. I only install it when
I am traveling overseas. Each GPS application will have their strengths and
weaknesses, so the features that are important to you are what you need to
look for in the app. HTH. 

Eileen 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: motionXgps drive.

Actually, that one is my favorite main stream GPS app, there are other paid
ones too, such as navigon, Garmin and TomTom Original message:
> I don't like the motion X GPS Drive application. We will have to pay 
> for it. Plus you have to pay for voice guidance. That just doesn't 
> seem right to me.

> Sent from my iPhone

>> On Jun 26, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Jessica Moss 
wrote:

>> I do that, but that can be a huge inconvenience after a while, 
>> considering the fact that I have a lot of them in my recents list, 
>> some of them I don't even use anymore, and I don't see an option to 
>> delete those indevidually, so at the moment I have a love/hate
relationship with it.
>>> On Jun 26, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Jessica D  wrote:

>>> If you click on a string of characters, you will see an address. 
>>> This will tell you what address you are looking at.

>>> Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 26, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Jessica Moss 
wrote:

 Sense scout maps has just about become unusable, and I've heard a 
 lot of good things about motionX gps, I wanted to get some feedback 
 from other people on this list who may have used it.  I looked at 
 on applevis, but the info/reviews seem to be outdated sense there 
 seem to be several updates to it sense those were posted, but from 
 the reviews I read, everybody seemed to have nothing but good 
 things to say about, and I love the fact that it reads street 
 names, something scout does, but it refuses to read POI's anymore, 
 and just reads them as this huge string of characters that doesn't mean
anything.

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Re: Blind Square - help getting started please

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Eleanor,

This is the first chance I have had to open the app. I hope you have read the 
help info that is documented in the app. There are so many settings that you 
can select to make the experience of using Blind Square to your liking. 

To answer yourquestion about using Google Maps, this needs to be install on the 
phone first. When you open Blind Square, you can search for a location or open 
your "My Places" to select a destination. Once this is done, at the bottom of 
the screen in portrait mode you will hear VO annouce "route" or something like 
that. Double tap on this and a new screen will open. This is where you can 
choose the navigation apps for GPS. The native map will be listed, as well as 
any GPS apps that you have installed. Just double tap on one of them and  the 
GPS app will open. You then need to  use the GPS app as if you had opened it on 
its own. There are lots to learn about the app. I know that at applevis.com 
there have been podcasts produce on how to use the app. I would do a search for 
"Blind Square" to pull them up. HTH.

Best,
Eileen 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Eleanor Roberts 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all 
> 
> Wondered if you could help me with this one. I've just bought Blind Square 
> and put it on my IPhone, and was wondering if anyone could give me some hints 
> and tips on how to get started please?? For example, do I need to get 
> something like Google maps to use with it? If so how do I get the two to work 
> together?? 
> 
> Any help much appreciated, as I feel I'm plunging into the unknown!! 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Eleanor 
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RE: Blind Square - help getting started please

[Eileen Misrahi]

If my memory serves me, Blind Square around Thanksgiving time one year was
$6.99.. I didn't get it at the time, but do have it now. There are just some
apps that I would pay all over again for them. Blind Square and MBraille are
two of them. I use both of them on a daily basis. JMO. 

 

Eileen 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Square - help getting started please

 

It was on sale. It's seriously worth the price.

Matt Dierckens

Macintosh Trainer

Blind Access Training

www.blindaccesstraining.com

1-877-774-7670 ext. 3

matt...@blindaccesstraining.com

Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course
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On Jun 27, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Jessica D  wrote:





When was it ever that low? The lowest I ever saw was $14.99, you would never
convince me to pay that either.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 27, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Matt Dierckens 
wrote:

I think it is, then again, I did buy it when was $10. Still worth it though.

Matt Dierckens

Macintosh Trainer

Blind Access Training

www.blindaccesstraining.com <http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/> 

1-877-774-7670 ext. 3

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On Jun 27, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Jessica D  wrote:





I want to know what everyone thinks, is it worth the price?

Thanks,

Jessica 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 27, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Matt Dierckens 
wrote:

If either of you need assistance with blind square, I can be reached off
list.

 

Matt Dierckens

Macintosh Trainer

Blind Access Training

www.blindaccesstraining.com <http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/> 

1-877-774-7670 ext. 3

matt...@blindaccesstraining.com

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Spots are limited, sign up here

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On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Eileen Misrahi 
wrote:





Hi Eleanor,

This is the first chance I have had to open the app. I hope you have read
the help info that is documented in the app. There are so many settings that
you can select to make the experience of using Blind Square to your liking. 

To answer yourquestion about using Google Maps, this needs to be install on
the phone first. When you open Blind Square, you can search for a location
or open your "My Places" to select a destination. Once this is done, at the
bottom of the screen in portrait mode you will hear VO annouce "route" or
something like that. Double tap on this and a new screen will open. This is
where you can choose the navigation apps for GPS. The native map will be
listed, as well as any GPS apps that you have installed. Just double tap on
one of them and  the GPS app will open. You then need to  use the GPS app as
if you had opened it on its own. There are lots to learn about the app. I
know that at applevis.com <http://applevis.com/>  there have been podcasts
produce on how to use the app. I would do a search for "Blind Square" to
pull them up. HTH.

Best,
Eileen 

Sent from my iPhone




On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Eleanor Roberts
 wrote:

Hi all 

Wondered if you could help me with this one. I've just bought Blind Square
and put it on my IPhone, and was wondering if anyone could give me some
hints and tips on how to get started please?? For example, do I need to get
something like Google maps to use with it? If so how do I get the two to
work together?? 

Any help much appreciated, as I feel I'm plunging into the unknown!! 

Thanks. 

Eleanor 

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RE: Blind Square - help getting started please

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi, 

 

MBraille is terrific. When I am using my phone, it’s the only app I use for 
text input and editing. VO will announce either by characters, by word, or by 
both characters and words. I don’t know why you couldn’t get this to work. 
There are all sorts of dot commands that the developer has built into the app 
that can access Facebook, Tweeter, SMS, dial a phone number, email, do a Google 
search, input a web address, access even Blind Square features, and etc. Maybe 
you need to try the trial version again and take it for a spin. 

 

Eileen 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 2:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Square - help getting started please

 

You jaw mbraille? I could not get that application to work. Voice over never 
said anything. Was it supposed to say things when you type?

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 27, 2014, at 5:21 PM, "Eileen Misrahi"  wrote:

If my memory serves me, Blind Square around Thanksgiving time one year was 
$6.99.. I didn’t get it at the time, but do have it now. There are just some 
apps that I would pay all over again for them. Blind Square and MBraille are 
two of them. I use both of them on a daily basis. JMO. 

 

Eileen 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Square - help getting started please

 

It was on sale. It's seriously worth the price.

Matt Dierckens

Macintosh Trainer

Blind Access Training

www.blindaccesstraining.com

1-877-774-7670 ext. 3

matt...@blindaccesstraining.com

Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course available 
now. Take advantage of our 10% discount for the month of  June.

Spots are limited, sign up here

http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/

 

 

 

On Jun 27, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Jessica D  wrote:






When was it ever that low? The lowest I ever saw was $14.99, you would never 
convince me to pay that either.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 27, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:

I think it is, then again, I did buy it when was $10. Still worth it though.

Matt Dierckens

Macintosh Trainer

Blind Access Training

www.blindaccesstraining.com <http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/> 

1-877-774-7670 ext. 3

matt...@blindaccesstraining.com

Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course available 
now. Take advantage of our 10% discount for the month of  June.

Spots are limited, sign up here

http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/

 

 

 

On Jun 27, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Jessica D  wrote:






I want to know what everyone thinks, is it worth the price?

Thanks,

Jessica 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 27, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:

If either of you need assistance with blind square, I can be reached off list.

 

Matt Dierckens

Macintosh Trainer

Blind Access Training

www.blindaccesstraining.com <http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/> 

1-877-774-7670 ext. 3

matt...@blindaccesstraining.com

Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course available 
now. Take advantage of our 10% discount for the month of  June.

Spots are limited, sign up here

http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/

 

 

 

On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:






Hi Eleanor,

This is the first chance I have had to open the app. I hope you have read the 
help info that is documented in the app. There are so many settings that you 
can select to make the experience of using Blind Square to your liking. 

To answer yourquestion about using Google Maps, this needs to be install on the 
phone first. When you open Blind Square, you can search for a location or open 
your "My Places" to select a destination. Once this is done, at the bottom of 
the screen in portrait mode you will hear VO annouce "route" or something like 
that. Double tap on this and a new screen will open. This is where you can 
choose the navigation apps for GPS. The native map will be listed, as well as 
any GPS apps that you have installed. Just double tap on one of them and  the 
GPS app will open. You then need to  use the GPS app as if you had opened it on 
its own. There are lots to learn about the app. I know that at applevis.com 
<http://applevis.com/>  there have been podcasts produce on how to use the app. 
I would do a search for "Blind Square" to pull them up. HTH.

Best,
Eileen 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Eleanor Roberts 
 wrote:

Hi all 

Wondered if you could help me with this one. I've just bought Blind Square and 
put it on my IPhone, and was wondering if anyone could give me some hints and 
tips on how to get started please?? For example, do I need to get something 

Blind Square and Creating Routes

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello All,

Unless Sendero has recently included that in their Seeing Eye app for the 
iPhone, the only GPS software that has the function to record a route is the 
stand-a-lone soffware for the BrailleNote and Braille Sense products. When the 
Sendero app came out for the phone, this was one feature I was hoping for. I 
use "My Way Lite" to set a bread crumb route when I need to create one. Oh 
by-the-way, I wish those who think that an app is too pricey, to think about 
how much in the past one needed to pay for stand-a-lone devices that would do 
the same function that an app can do in the iOS environment. This is not the 
first time that this type of conversation has sprung up on various lists or 
other media sites. I just want to  mention that the developers who extremely 
dedicated to creating and supporting those who use them should be conmended. My 
hats off to the developers of Blind Square and MBraille. I use these apps on a 
daily basis.  

Thanks for listening.

Best,
Eileen


Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

I believe I asked a question about panning with my 
BrailleNote and my Mac Air a while back, but it has led to other things. I
have reviewed the voiceover commands for braille, have looked at all the
keystrokes for the BrailleNote and voiceover,, but I haven't been able to
figure this out. I was in a basic TextEdit and iTextExpress document and I
couldn't use any of my thumb keys to pan to the next line. Again, I ask are
there any tricks to the trade with This? Right now, I am only using the
BrailleNote with my iPhone4, with iOS 7.0.6. I am able to navigate more
effectively on that device than on my Mac Air. Any suggestions would be
terrific to use it with my Mac. 

Best, 
Eileen 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert C
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

Pause / resume speech with Space 1-2-3-4.

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
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On 6/30/2014 12:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> Hi!
> Sometimes speech can be annoying and there's no way of muting speech on a
mac from what i know.
> On the iphone evrything is fine but not on the mac.
> But i guess that as long as you only read mails and such braille is pritty
ok.
> /A
> 29 jun 2014 kl. 21:06 skrev Robert C :
>
>> Anders,
>>Can you explain more? You do not want speech on when using braille? I
have not used my braille display that much yet with the Mac or iPhone but
when I do, speech is on but if I don't want to hear it I can just mute it. I
have not used it yet with Windows but will run NVDA when I do.
>>
>>But back to what the question I asked was, in what way is Apple's
braikke support lacking? Knowing that, I can be ready for any issues I may
run into. In my limited tests, braille output seems ok.
>>
>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>> Why is there an expiration date on sour cream?
>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
>> E-mail-
>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
>>
>> On 6/29/2014 11:21 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> Swedish letters are verry strange sometimes.
>>> Also the movement of the braille could be much more easy.
>>> Now i am a power user of windows of course and also very used to linux
and their environment and  when moving around the braille display on a
window doesn't afect the speech.
>>> However when moving the display over the window on the mac i still hear
speech comming through.
>>> So the speech and braille follows each other which really annoys me.
>>> I want it to be as in window eyes or in orca or brltty for linux.
>>> /A
>>> 29 jun 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Christopher Hallsworth
:
>>>
 I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade
II Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS
7. What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick
typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you
may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and
the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this
though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any
issues pertaining to Braille under OS X.

 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

 On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote:
> Sabahattin,
> I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you 
> feel that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. 
> When I begin to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille 
> display most of the time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues
and work around them.
> Thanks.
>
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in 
> charge of everything outdoors?
> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
> E-mail-
> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
>
> On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>> Hi Eileen,
>>
>> To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard.  As you can 
>> see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields.  
>> I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for
comparison.
>> Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support 
>> from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid.
>>
>> With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure 
>> out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver
Utility.
>> I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical 
>> navigation to be the inner ones.
>>
>> I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck 
>> and I'll try and recreate your issue.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sabahattin
>>
>

Re: question about Mac book Air

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello,

I have a Mac Air 2013, with 8 GB RAM, an Intel 7, and 512 gb drive. I'm running 
Win 8.1 in bootcamp. When partitioning the hard drive in bootcamp, it ended up 
with 94 on the Windows side. Here is a list of items installed to give one an 
idea of the space used. It includes JAWS 15, Kurzweil 12, OpenBook, Duxbury, 
Office 2010, Dropbox, One Drive, Skype, and my printer software. Currently, I 
have a total of 49 GB left on the drive partition. I just wanted to give one an 
idea of space used, so if one wants to add more to the partition that will need 
to be done when setting up bootcamp. HTH.

Eileen 

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> On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I'd definitely go for 8gb of ram if you plan on running Windows a lot, but my 
> 4gb MBA performs well enough; it'd just be nice to have the extra. The 
> processor speed is not as important, in my non-professional opinion, and the 
> storage depends on how much you'll put on the drive. Windows itself takes up 
> about 20gb, between the operating system and room for any applications you'll 
> want to install, though of course even that will vary from person to person.
> 
> The 13-inch has larger function keys across the top, the arrow keys are 
> larger, and it includes an SD card slot for extra storage. Aside from that 
> and the weight/battery someone else mentioned, the two are identical in terms 
> of feel, ports, and so on. Remember that it is likely that Apple will bring 
> out a new line of Airs in a few months, so if you can, maybe wait for that. 
> You can then get a new one, or a current one at a lower price, assuming Apple 
> sticks to its recent patterns.
>> On Jul 2, 2014, at 5:10 PM, David Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Either the 11 or 13 inch will be perfect for what you need. Really, the only 
>> gain from the 13 is some extra batter life and much more weight to carry 
>> around, I'd go for the 11 personally, unless the 13 has something you 
>> specifically need.
>> 
>> It would be very highly advisable to upgrade your RAM, in terms of 
>> performance. Unless you don't use it very much, and don't mind using 
>> external storage, I would also upgrade the SSD. It is not that important to 
>> upgrade the processor, though doing so will get you some extra speed.
>> 
>> The Apple wireless keyboard is an alternative, but it doesn't have a power 
>> button so you'll always need to use the built in keyboard for that. It is 
>> the same, standard, Apple keyboard you always get now, same size keys, no 
>> numpad etc Must admit, I don't use my VM as much as I thought I would, but 
>> when I do, it runs faster than on any Windows machine
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>> 
>>> On 2 Jul 2014, at 21:54, Juliette  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am looking at purchasing a Mac book Air 13-inch model with 256 GB haed 
>>> drive. I am planning to run windows via VMware fusion. Would it be 
>>> necessary in this case to do any or all of the following:
>>> 1. Upgrade the hard drive to 512 GB?
>>> 2. Upgrade the RAM from 4 GB to 8 GB?
>>> 3. Upgrade the processor from 1.4 to 1.7 GHZ?
>>> I also have one more question. Is the Apple wireless keyboard that we use 
>>> with iOS devices the same one that Apple sells as a full-sized alternative 
>>> to using the laptop keyboard on the Mac Book?
>>> Thanks in advance for any help with this.
>>> Juliette
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RE: Tandom equivalent for the Mac

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

I just want to point out that when you connect to a tandum such as in JAWS, one 
will know who they are connecting with and the trust of the individual who 
needs to get access to your computer is not going to perform any malicious 
trojen or malware. The purpose of a tandum session is for those with expertise 
to perform trouble shooting on another computer or for remote training. I have 
used tandum many times in this capacity. Now, I am hoping someone can shed some 
light if there is a method to have the same feature on the Mac side? This would 
be beneficial for those individuals who switch over from the PC side to the mac 
and had some method of either trouble shooting or providing basic training. 
JMO. 

Best, 
Eileen 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 1:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tandom equivalent for the Mac

Woa! You are required to enter some kind of passcode before the connection is 
accepted. Sorry but FS wouldn't build a product that would breach one's own 
security and privacy.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

On 04/07/2014 12:30, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
> i hope not , having someone being able too log on too my mac like that 
> could be potentially scary ;d you could use ssh, though if you are 
> talking about remote admin, but that could be interesting too if the 
> person dont know what he, she  is doing.
>
> On 7/4/14, Ryan Mann  wrote:
>> For those that don't know, Tandom is a feature in the JAWS screen 
>> reader that allows a JAWS user to connect to another JAWS user's 
>> computer, hear what is going on and even control that person's 
>> computer.  Neither person needs to know the IP address.  Is there a way to 
>> do this with VoiceOver?
>>
>>
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SD Card reader for the MBA

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Folks, 

I attempted to connect an old multi-card reader in both the bootcamp Win 8.1 
and Mac OS ML. On the bootcamp side, it seems like it wants to connect because 
I hear the chimes, but no additional drives are listed in windows Explorer. On 
the Mac side, this card reader is not recognized. Can someone recommend a 
multi-function card reader for my MBA 11" 2013 that will be compatible for both 
the Mac and Win OS? 

Thanks in advance. 

Best, 
Eileen .

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RE: New to the Mac, where can I find good tutorials?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi, 

 

There is a website called fedoraoutlier.com that offers a Mac Master Series. 
You can enroll month-to-month or pay for a year subscription that includes 2 
extra months. I’m not sure what the current price structure is, as I enrolled 
during the promotion on this. The link to the Mac Master Series is 

 

www.fedoraoutlier.com/macmasterseries 

 

I would have suggested the other sites that have been posted. For me, I enjoyed 
“For the Mac” podcasts. The 3 part Finder podcasts is a good place to start and 
gave me a good foundation on the Mac OS structure. David Woodbridge from 
Visions Australia also has some good podcasts, but you will need to go through 
the archives to select what may fit your needs. 

 

HTH. 

 

Eileen 

 

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On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: New to the Mac, where can I find good tutorials?

 

Like the title states, New to the Mac, where can I find good tutorials? I know 
of AppleVis, but would like to know of good tutorials. Thanks

 

  Regards, Feliciano

Twitter: @Theblindman12v www.twitter.com/theblindman12v 

 

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Re: jumping to items in Doc

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello,

This maybe slightly off the thread, but when I have things in the doc that have 
similar spellings, I will choose to go to sotlight and access the app from 
there. That's what I enjoy about the Mac, there are many ways to get where one 
wants to go. HTH.

Eileen 
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> On Jul 13, 2014, at 10:47 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> I had a feeling this was the case. I'll try this.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2014, at 1:03 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, if you type more than one letter, it should jump you to that item.  For 
>> example, I have Safari and then System Preferences in my Dock.  If I type, 
>> "sy", it takes me right to System Preferences and skips Safari.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Before I send a friendly note to the good people at Apple Accessibility 
>>> requesting this feature, let me make sure it's not already in existence. 
>>> 
>>> When I go to the Doc, I have several apps that start with F. If I hit the 
>>> letter F it goes to Finder. If I hit f again, it stays on Finder. Should I 
>>> begin to spell the name of the app? Haven't actually tried that, but the 
>>> other main app I use from the Doc is Fine Reader so the first 3 letters are 
>>> the same. 
>>> 
>>> I'd love it if when you hit the first letter of an app in the doc or 
>>> elsewhere, focus would jump to the next occurrence of an app with that 
>>> first letter. If this can already happen and I just don't have something 
>>> set correctly or am not using a correct keystroke to get there, I'm sure 
>>> someone here will know and provide us all with the correct info. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks All!
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: What's the best way to create fillable forms on the Mac?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Donna,

Are you needing to create a form with edit fields, checkboxes, drop down combo 
boxes? I haven't tried this yet, but if you have office running on the Windows 
side and saved it as a DOCX file/template, wouldn't it open in TextEdit or in 
another processing app on the Mac side and have the individual be able to fill 
in the information? Since I'm not an advance user of the Mac OS and all of the 
possibilities that an app on the Mac side would be able to work in this matter. 
I'll try to create a small test form and see if I can open it up on the Mac 
side and post when I get some idea if it will work. I'm curious myself if this 
will solve one issue for me, as I use a template form DOCX in my work to 
streamline it and use my time more efficiently. Also,are you permitted to use 
digital signatures?  

Best,
Eileen 

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> On Jul 16, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> thanks.  I'm actually not looking for a survey type form, but something that 
> clients can complete, digitally sign, and return to me.
> Thanks,
> Donna
>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It depends on what you're going to use the form for and how you like the 
>> input to be reported back to you.  If it's something like a survey or 
>> questionnaire where you don't mind the results being returned in a 
>> spreadsheet, then a Google Form is my best suggestion.  If you have a Gmail 
>> account, then you have access to Google Forms as part of the Google Apps 
>> suite.  I thought I read somewhere that you can use Google Forms in another 
>> fashion as well where the form and response are kept together but I haven't 
>> figured out how to do that yet, or maybe I'm just mistaken.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if there's a way to create fillable forms on the Mac. I like 
>>> the form to be able to be filled out by both Mac and Windows users, so it 
>>> would need to be in a format that could be opened on a PC. If anyone knows 
>>> anything about how to do this, I would appreciate any help.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Did something really stupid: spilled lemonade on my MBA

[Eileen Misrahi]

As someone has suggested, place the unit into rice. I needed to do this a while 
back with my iPhone4. I got lucky and didn't have any damage. One website 
mentioned to leave the device in rice covered for 2-3 days and not to turn it 
on. This can short out other components on the mother board.I know this will be 
hard not to touch the MBA, but you want to have the best shot in having minimum 
damage as possible. After that disaster, my golden rule with any of my Apple 
devices are not to drink, eat, or listen to anything while taking a shower 
where there is a lot of moisture. HTH and good luck. 

Best, 
Eileen 
On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:

> Hey all, 
> I spued a good bit of lemonade today, and some ended up on my almost brand 
> new Mac. I shut the machine down, dried it with paper towels, and let it sit. 
> However, all that will happen when I try to turn the machine on is a lot of 
> noise from the fan. Any suggestions? Already really beating myself up over 
> this. This machine is my baby. 
> 
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Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello List, 

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. It 
would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe that the 
edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from voiceover. Hence, this 
makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting to send Microsoft some 
feedback, but when I clicked on the feedback tab in Word preferences, there was 
no method to do this. Has anyone figured out the magic steps to get rid of the 
“Document” pane yet? And, does anyone have the contact to send constructive 
criticism to Microsoft?

thanks in advance. 

Warmest regards, 
Eileen 

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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

I took a look at this again. I interacted with the Document pane, but there is 
no access to the edit text that has been process. VO did not echo character, 
word, or both and there I couldn’t get any navigation with VO to work. I knew 
that there was words processed because when I tabbed to the word count it 
stated 15 words. The unlabeled button to the right of that activates the spell 
checker. I have sent MS feedback about the issues regarding VO accessing the 
document pane edit field. If others are finding the same, it takes a village to 
get someone to look at the problem and maybe have a chance that it will be 
fixed. JMO. 

Best, 
Eileen  
> On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> 
> You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said.  Smile. I 
> kind a wondered that same thing.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document 
> pane, then you are removing the container where the text is being held. Would 
> that not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, inaccessible?  If 
> one does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you know is in the body 
> of the document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, we’re getting somewhere, 
> if not, then the accessibility of the editable area is non-existent.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you could 
> disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my first 
> message, I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd think that 
> would make it even worse.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
> 
> 
> How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read the 
> document area at all.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
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> 
>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 5:04 PM, mattias jonsson  wrote:
>> 
>> word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
>>> 10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't 
>>> actually tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be of 
>>> much help there at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's supposed to 
>>> supposedly be fairly doable.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "mattias" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> any outlook app too?
>>> 
>>> Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
>>>> Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be the 
>>>> direct download to the .PKG file.
>>>> 
>>>> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849
>>>> 
>>>> Best of luck with it!
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - From: "mattias" 
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> where do you find the preview?
>>>> 
>>>> Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:
>>>>> Hello List,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. 
>>>>> It would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe 
>>>>> that the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from 
>>>>> voiceover. Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting 
>>>>> to send Microsoft 

Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Chris, 

I would love to use Pages, but I am a recent Mac user of 1-1/2 years and I need 
Word for my business. Not that I’m opposed to learning a new word processor, 
but when one has used a piece of software for many years, I am more productive 
and less time is wasted in attempting to figure out some formatting or use of 
styles that are not apparent to a new user. I was trying not to have to install 
Win 8.1 into BootCamp, but I guess I will have to bite the bullet. I still 
wrote to Microsoft. This is a beta, so maybe they will get it right this time. 

Best, 
Eileen 
> On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Considerring that we've been telling Microsoft since the first release of 
> Office for the Mac back in the Tiger Days to fix this issue?
> 
> Need I say more?  Just stick with Pages, if possible.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Eileen Misrahi" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I took a look at this again. I interacted with the Document pane, but there 
> is no access to the edit text that has been process. VO did not echo 
> character, word, or both and there I couldn’t get any navigation with VO to 
> work. I knew that there was words processed because when I tabbed to the word 
> count it stated 15 words. The unlabeled button to the right of that activates 
> the spell checker. I have sent MS feedback about the issues regarding VO 
> accessing the document pane edit field. If others are finding the same, it 
> takes a village to get someone to look at the problem and maybe have a chance 
> that it will be fixed. JMO.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> 
>> You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said.  Smile. I 
>> kind a wondered that same thing.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document 
>> pane, then you are removing the container where the text is being held. 
>> Would that not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, 
>> inaccessible?  If one does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you 
>> know is in the body of the document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, 
>> we’re getting somewhere, if not, then the accessibility of the editable area 
>> is non-existent.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you 
>> could disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my first 
>> message, I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd think 
>> that would make it even worse.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>> 
>> 
>> How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read the 
>> document area at all.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 5:04 PM, mattias jonsson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
>>>> 10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>> :
>>>> 
>>>> Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't 
>>>> actually tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be of 
>>>> much help there at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's supposed 
>>>> to supposedly be fairly doable.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Mess

Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi,

The way I see it from trying to get Office 2016 to work is the integration of 
the voiceover screen reader into the software so there's full speech feedback 
and navigation within the software. When I used it yesterday, I did get a word 
count indicating that my word processing was there, but the accessibility 
wasn't. So, if this is the case, to me Dream Writer wouldn't fix the problem. 
JMO.

Eileen  y 

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> On Mar 11, 2015, at 5:05 AM, William Gallik  wrote:
> 
> Would not Dream Writer resolve the problem of needing to access Word 
> documents?
> 
> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
> - "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
> - Original Message - From: "Eileen Misrahi" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
> 
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I would love to use Pages, but I am a recent Mac user of 1-1/2 years and I 
> need Word for my business. Not that I’m opposed to learning a new word 
> processor, but when one has used a piece of software for many years, I am 
> more productive and less time is wasted in attempting to figure out some 
> formatting or use of styles that are not apparent to a new user. I was trying 
> not to have to install Win 8.1 into BootCamp, but I guess I will have to bite 
> the bullet. I still wrote to Microsoft. This is a beta, so maybe they will 
> get it right this time.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Considerring that we've been telling Microsoft since the first release of 
>> Office for the Mac back in the Tiger Days to fix this issue?
>> 
>> Need I say more?  Just stick with Pages, if possible.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Eileen Misrahi" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I took a look at this again. I interacted with the Document pane, but there 
>> is no access to the edit text that has been process. VO did not echo 
>> character, word, or both and there I couldn’t get any navigation with VO to 
>> work. I knew that there was words processed because when I tabbed to the 
>> word count it stated 15 words. The unlabeled button to the right of that 
>> activates the spell checker. I have sent MS feedback about the issues 
>> regarding VO accessing the document pane edit field. If others are finding 
>> the same, it takes a village to get someone to look at the problem and maybe 
>> have a chance that it will be fixed. JMO.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Eileen
>>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim,
>>> 
>>> You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said. Smile. I 
>>> kind a wondered that same thing.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document 
>>> pane, then you are removing the container where the text is being held. 
>>> Would that not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, 
>>> inaccessible?  If one does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you 
>>> know is in the body of the document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, 
>>> we’re getting somewhere, if not, then the accessibility of the editable 
>>> area is non-existent.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you 
>>> could disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my 
>>> first message, I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd 
>>> think that would make it even worse.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Wor

Re: Office for Mac 2016 Preview

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi John,

I have thought about that logic too because of the ability to obtain 
Window-Eyes for free if one has a copy of either Office 2010 or 2013. Let's see 
how this will pan out when the full version is release. However, I'm not 
holding out that this minor inconvenience of not accessing the edit field in 
word will be fix. :) It would be nice not to have to put Windows on my Air in 
either BootCamp or in VM Ware. Take Care.

Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:03 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  Nope. Microsoft did it again. They deliberately made all of the content 
> areas inaccessible. It can only be deliberate because this is how it was in 
> the last version and they got plenty of feedback from users. So, you have to 
> wonder if their is an altereor motive here at work, especially as the iOS 
> version is accessible.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2015, at 9:38 AM, 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello to the list.
>> 
>> I have just now downloaded and installed this Microsoft office for mac 2016  
>> preview,  and what a bitter disappointment this is so far.
>> 
>> Voiceover does not seem to read any of the text in my preliminary try out of 
>> the Microsoft Word application, everything else seems to read just fine.
>> 
>> I know it’s an early preview, but it’s still shocking and truly hideous if 
>> Voiceover will not work with 2016 Office for mac.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Office for Mac 2016 Preview

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi All,

If I could just figure out what's bugging the Win 8.0 installer through 
BootCamp, I would be a happy camper. I agree with Tim and George that Windows 
runs quicker and more efficient on my MacBook Air. Just a little hip cup that 
I'm running into now. Hopefully, I'll find the answer soon. 

Best,
Eileen  

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> On Mar 12, 2015, at 8:36 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Tim I agree
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 08:11
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Office for Mac 2016 Preview
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not that I have a lot of personal experience with running Windows on the Mac, 
> but, from most things I’ve heard, Windows actually runs better, faster and 
> remains cleaner on a Mac than it does on a little cheap laptop that you might 
> get.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2015, at 08:53, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys. 
> I realize this is some extra money, but if I ever have to run Windows because 
> I really need a program I can’t get on the Mac, I have thought that I would 
> just spring for a little Windows laptop. I know you can put windows on the 
> Mac, but I have read a little about what some of you have done, and I think 
> that if ever have to do it, I would rather have a separate system running the 
> Windows program. I still have JAWS, and I could just update it. The Mac and 
> Windows computers can read files produced on the other one, so I see no real 
> advantage to mixing the systems. Maybe I am wrong about that, but at this 
> point, I’m going to stick with iWorks. 
> 
> Gigi 
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I have thought about that logic too because of the ability to obtain 
>> Window-Eyes for free if one has a copy of either Office 2010 or 2013. Let's 
>> see how this will pan out when the full version is release. However, I'm not 
>> holding out that this minor inconvenience of not accessing the edit field in 
>> word will be fix. :) It would be nice not to have to put Windows on my Air 
>> in either BootCamp or in VM Ware. Take Care.
>> 
>> Eileen
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:03 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nope. Microsoft did it again. They deliberately made all of the content 
>>> areas inaccessible. It can only be deliberate because this is how it was in 
>>> the last version and they got plenty of feedback from users. So, you have 
>>> to wonder if their is an altereor motive here at work, especially as the 
>>> iOS version is accessible.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
>>> Mountain Lion
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 12, 2015, at 9:38 AM, 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello to the list.
>>>> 
>>>> I have just now downloaded and installed this Microsoft office for mac 
>>>> 2016  preview,  and what a bitter disappointment this is so far.
>>>> 
>>>> Voiceover does not seem to read any of the text in my preliminary try out 
>>>> of the Microsoft Word application, everything else seems to read just fine.
>>>> 
>>>> I know it’s an early preview, but it’s still shocking and truly hideous if 
>>>> Voiceover will not work with 2016 Office for mac.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Online Colegge degrees

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

I went through an entire distant learning Master’s program from 2005-2008, when 
I received my degree. Blackboard was the method of accessing all of the 
required assignments and test uploads. The accessibility all depended on how 
the professor uploaded the materials. The “Office Chat” in real time was not 
accessible and needed to have a fellow classmate be my reader in order to 
participate in this media. At times, PDF files were scanned in and not 
accessible to any of my screen readers. At the time I was using JAWS, 
Window-Eyes, and NVDA as my screen readers of choice. The APA Manuscript Manual 
(electronic version) was semi-accessible, but I finally ended up scanning the 
entire 400 plus pages with Kurzweil 1000. I had one class where I couldn’t 
access any of the videos required to view. I spent many hours with the Web 
department and finally they sent me DVD disks of the materials to view them. I 
believe in an earlier post that someone stated that you need to make sure that 
you have a good disable student services department. This is essential in order 
in getting your course materials into a media that will work for you. I spent 
more time with DSS in getting my textbooks and other required readings. HTH. 

Best, 
Eileen 
> On Mar 16, 2015, at 10:24 AM, Buddy Brannan  wrote:
> 
> Even better, he also misspelled Sarai. 
> 
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> 
>> On Mar 16, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> George,
>> 
>> A little more fun here, this time at your expense.  “Incorrectally" is 
>> spelled “incorrectly” in the body of your message.
>> 
>> Have a good day :).
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 16, 2015, at 09:10, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Sara you better take one look at the subject line I think college is spelt 
>> incorrectally.  Just having fun with you and yes there those who are 
>> successful with online college access.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 19:46
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Online Colegge degrees
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> Has anyone ever taken online college classes, or received an online college 
>> degree? If so, what software is sued? Is the software accessible with iOS, 
>> Jaws, and Voiceover? Is it expensive?
>> If this needs to be taken off list, my email address is 
>> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
>> Thanks!
>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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A Newbie with Numbers

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello All,

I decided to bite the bullet and open Numbers on my Mac. I have some experience 
with Excel, but I know things must be done differently in Numbers. Here are my 
questions:

1. I want to sort the date column from oldest to newest. Can this be done in 
Numbers and what are the steps to do it? 
2. I want to place a formula at the bottom of one of my columns. The columns 
just use numbers and the rows are not labeled with the coordinates. So, how is 
this accomplished? 
This is all new to me, as this is the first time I am using the program. Any 
tips and tricks to get these 2 items completed. 

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Eileen 

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Re: A Newbie with Numbers

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello,

Thanks for your instructions. They worked well. Just to point out, I needed to 
access the insert menu and press the letter F to highlight the formula option. 
The dropdown list had the "sum" option and vo-space on it. The formula was 
added, but needed to vo-space once again to perform the action. Worked like a 
charm. Thanks again. 

Cheers,
Eileen

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> On Mar 24, 2015, at 12:08 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eileen,
> 
> to sort the table from oldest to newest do the following
> on english keyboards press VO + | to jump to the table headders 
> choose column
> choose the column you want to use for sorting
> open the context menue and choose ascending or descending
> 
> I don't know of tables with unlabled cells but you can place a formular just 
> by writing an equal sign. What happens then is that the formular editor opens 
> and starts a formular line. Note! The cursor sometimes seems to be placed 
> before the equal sign but it must sit behind it if you want to create a 
> functioning formular.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
>> Am 24.03.2015 um 02:29 schrieb Eileen Misrahi :
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I decided to bite the bullet and open Numbers on my Mac. I have some 
>> experience with Excel, but I know things must be done differently in 
>> Numbers. Here are my questions:
>> 
>> 1. I want to sort the date column from oldest to newest. Can this be done in 
>> Numbers and what are the steps to do it? 
>> 2. I want to place a formula at the bottom of one of my columns. The columns 
>> just use numbers and the rows are not labeled with the coordinates. So, how 
>> is this accomplished? 
>> This is all new to me, as this is the first time I am using the program. Any 
>> tips and tricks to get these 2 items completed. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Eileen 
>> 
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Re: How to capitalize acronyms

[Eileen Misrahi]

I'm confused. Is this on the native keyboard on the phone? If so, single finger 
triple tap will turn on caps lock. Then you are able to type all the letters in 
capitals. HTH.

Eileen

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> On Mar 26, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
> 
> Here is my try. MIDI.  Well, it appears to have worked the first time. Let me 
> try saying, MIDI again.  It worked perfectly twice. Thank you, Chris.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Chris Smart  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kevin.
>> Try saying the following:
>> upper case m upper case i upper case d upper case i
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At 03:20 PM 3/26/2015, you wrote:
>>> Part of the problem is that the acronym I wish to use, "MIDI," is 
>>> translated as, "MEDIA," when I use Siri.  So, what I want to do is speak 
>>> the capital letters in sequence, M I D I, without spaces.  How does one do 
>>> that?  Is there a user editable pronunciation dictionary that can be used 
>>> here?
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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello All,

I finally opened this thread only to discover the initial post so inflammatory. 
However, I am not personalizing the fowl language at all. Yesterday, when out 
and about I was having problems with my Voyager Plus BT headset. it frequently  
bots its connection. and I needed to pair it back to my iFhone 6. The funny 
thing is that I didn't realize that it could be a conflict between iOS 8.2 and 
VO. I did stop in at the Apple store and the rep that helped me gave solutions, 
but didn't have a clue that it might be a bug that hasn't been fixed yet. I 
haven't tried any other BT devices to see if there is an issue with them. I did 
turn off/on my phone, and a hard reset, but I haven't tested the earpiece again 
with the phone. Just thought I would chime in with my most recent experience. 
Thanks for listening.

Cheers,
Eileene. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> My only problem with Apple at this point is that they're just a little too 
> excited. They rush on and trip over their own releases. They just gotta slow 
> down a little and put in a good automated quality control.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Totally agree.  Actually, it works quite well.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
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>> - Original Message - From: "The Believer" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 1:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>> 
>> 
>>  It ain't broke now. iOS 8.2 is on both my iPhone and iPad.
>> 
>> From The Believer. . .
>>  By way of the Chariots of the
>> Gods cameth the Aliens who
>> dwelt amongst the humans,
>> and bringeth much knowledge.
>> 
>>> On 3/27/2015 7:48 PM, Pamela Francis wrote:
>>> I too have an Ipad 2. No way would I put IOS 8 on it. I am a firm believer
>>> in if it isn't broken don't fix it. Apple broke it.
 On Mar 27, 2015 12:53 PM, "Jon Solitro"  wrote:
 
 I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I
 found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. Should I
 update, or can I expect slower operation?
 
> On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to
> say that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than
> on my iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang 
> like
> slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started
> looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things 
> too
> much into the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and
> do”. Point in case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some
> mates and I was going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2
> tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band
> pushing their crap on my life experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars
> for a phone that is supposed to do things for me. Not the other way 
> around.
> Sure, U2 has some great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans
> aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I go into an
> apple store and wait for a genius to tell me my future.
> 
> Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you
> who want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic
> things:
> 1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple
> makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production 
> or
> app developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way
> around.
> 2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively
> create experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction
> of that experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving
> us a good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy
> with design skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software
> division, coming from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one
> or ones I can trust in this are frederici and some of the younger 
> engineers
> presented at the last apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet,
> so we’re stuck with all that flash graphical transition animation style
> crap instead of truly clean, efficient and snappy interfaces.
> 3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I
> wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of
> creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most
> companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to 

Re: learning to use numbers

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello All, 

I'm in the same boat as Laura, but have applied some of the same principles 
that I've used in Excel. What surprised me was that VO announced the header for 
each column when in a particular cell. I was wondering how specify the defined 
ranges when creating a simple formula. It was difficult to ascertain the 
coordinates of the column and row like in Excel. I just opened the formula 
dialog  list and chose "sum" to get it inserted to tabulate the column. Any 
suggestions regarding the above would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi Laura
> If you know how to use Excel, you should know that numbers will except Excel 
> files. One of the things you should know right away so that you don't take 
> forever to figure it out, is that when you press the = to start your formula, 
> the first thing to do is to press the right arrow key. That get you in the 
> correct cursor position to start the rest to your formula. 
> 
> Gigi 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> Can anyone recommend a good resource for learning how to use numbers?
>> Thank you,
>> Laura 
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Re: A question about making headings on different levels with ms word.

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jamie, 

Thanks for the tip on activating all the style selections. However, I haven’t 
found a keystroke that will work like on the PC side. I did locate a list of 
keystrokes for Word 2016, but the ones for heading styles don’t work for me. It 
would be nice if I had a keystroke to evoke the various heading styles It would 
make my work more efficient. On another note, have you been able to create an 
envelope or label? Since I’m coming from the PC side, the dialog box for this 
on the Mac side is not as straight forward to me. I struggled for a while 
trying to make a simple mailing label the other night, but was not successful 
in the printing of it. It came out blank. I was able to print a label on the PC 
side in Word 2010, so I know that I’m not out of ink. Again, thanks for the 
tip. 

Cheers, 
Eileen 
> On Apr 20, 2015, at 6:37 AM, Jamie Pauls  wrote:
> 
> Place your cursor in the paragraph where you want to apply the style. Then, 
> go to format and choose styles. I had to choose all styles before I could see 
> the different heading levels. I am doing this from memory, so please forgive 
> any errors.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> Ok I have installed the preview of office. I have looked a little at word. 
>> How do you make a heading on a level e.g. level 2.
>> 
>> I have never liked office on windows, but i like it on the mac.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
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Re: A question about making headings on different levels with ms word.

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jamie, 

I was successful in adding a heading 1 level in a doc, but what is missing is 
having VO announce what type of style one has used. This is obtained with JAWS 
on the PC side. The only way I knew it was applied was using the speak 
attribute VO keystroke of VO-T. I know the font size of heading 1 style is 16 
ptc. So, I’m not sure if obtaining more description of attributes in a Word doc 
is a MS or Apple glitch. Hence, I guess I will place this on my running bug 
list to MS. Hopefully, MS will improve their Mac keystrokes inorder for more 
advance users of Word will think about making the switch. so far, even with a 
learning curve, I am not convinced to use Word on the Mac. To me, it’s very 
labor intensive, which would slow down productivity. 

Thanks 

Eileenagain.
> On Apr 20, 2015, at 6:37 AM, Jamie Pauls  wrote:
> 
> Place your cursor in the paragraph where you want to apply the style. Then, 
> go to format and choose styles. I had to choose all styles before I could see 
> the different heading levels. I am doing this from memory, so please forgive 
> any errors.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> Ok I have installed the preview of office. I have looked a little at word. 
>> How do you make a heading on a level e.g. level 2.
>> 
>> I have never liked office on windows, but i like it on the mac.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
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Re: A question about making headings on different levels with ms word.

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Jamie, 

I was successful in adding a heading 1 level in a doc, but what is missing is 
having VO announce what type of style one has used. This is obtained with JAWS 
on the PC side. The only way I knew it was applied was using the speak 
attribute VO keystroke of VO-T. I know the font size of heading 1 style is 16 
ptc. So, I’m not sure if obtaining more description of attributes in a Word doc 
is a MS or an Apple glitch. Hence, I guess I will place this on my running bug 
list to MS. Hopefully, MS will improve their Mac keystrokes in order for more 
advance users of Word will think about making the switch. so far, even with a 
learning curve, I am not convinced to use Word on the Mac. To me, it’s very 
labor intensive, which would slow down productivity. 

Thanks 

Eileen again.
> On Apr 20, 2015, at 6:37 AM, Jamie Pauls  wrote:
> 
> Place your cursor in the paragraph where you want to apply the style. Then, 
> go to format and choose styles. I had to choose all styles before I could see 
> the different heading levels. I am doing this from memory, so please forgive 
> any errors.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> Ok I have installed the preview of office. I have looked a little at word. 
>> How do you make a heading on a level e.g. level 2.
>> 
>> I have never liked office on windows, but i like it on the mac.
>> 
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Re: Seeking Recommendations for Check Writing Software

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi, 

My question regarding Checkbook is: Can you print checks from it? I thought a 
while back that on one of these list serves that that feature was not 
supported. I believe at the time that there wasn’t any Mac app that had that 
feature. That’s one reason why I have BootCamp installed on my Mac. JMO. 

Cheers, 
Eileen 
> On Apr 24, 2015, at 11:37 AM, The Believer  wrote:
> 
>   There is CheckBook by Splasm Software, and they also have a Pro version. 
> Both are fully functional. The Pro costs more but the non Pro is not a 
> limited version, just does not have features most may not need anyway.
> 
>   I have yet to work with this app. Its a checkbook register but likely can 
> also print checks (the Pro version probably).
> 
>   The trial version will allow entry of up to 100 entries (or perhaps only 
> 10) so worth testing before you pay for it.
> 
> From The Believer. . .
>   By way of the Chariots of the
> Gods cameth the Aliens who
> dwelt amongst the humans,
> and bringeth much knowledge.
> 
> On 4/24/2015 11:23 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> I'm going to ask a possibly stupid question: how does this work? I
>> assume it has to print onto the check somehow? Or is it something else?
>>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Mary Jo Partyka >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I contacted Premier Technologies a few months agao to see if they had
>>> a version of Talking Checkbook for the Mac.  They said they don’t even
>>> support this piece of software and don’t know of anything for the Mac.
>>> If there is something available to write out  hecks, I would also be
>>> interested in finding out about it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mary Jo Partyka
>>> choir...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:14 PM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
 
 All;
 
 I’ve been using Talking Checkbook for check writing on my Windows PC
 for about 10 years.  However with my migration to Mac I’m wondering
 if any similar software is available for Macs?
 
 Any and all suggestions are appreciated!
 * * * * * * * * *
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Re: Clamxav: The rest of the story?

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Alex, 

This is the first time I have had a chance to rescan the computer with Clamxav. 
I just want to confirm if I’m doing this correctly. I get a table of 21 
infected files in a table. I interact with it and press Control-A to select 
all. I open the contextual menu with VO-Shift-M and arrow down to the 
quarantine submenu item and press the return key. However, when I go back to 
the table where the infected files are listed, they are still there. How do I 
know that they have been quarantine? At this point, can I open the contextual 
menu and hit the return key on the clear file button? I would believe that if 
the files are not quarantine first that the infected files will return.I would 
appreciate any assistance with this. 

thanks in advance. 

Best, 
Eileen  
> On May 11, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> What I normally do is go to the table, then hit vo-shift-m and choose the 
> option I want from there. I never even noticed there were unlabeled buttons. 
> 
>> On May 11, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Miller > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, press vo plus shift plus H, to see if   the buttons have helped tags to 
>> tell you what they do. If they do, you can label them with vo plus/. If they 
>> don't, I unfortunately don't know what to tell you.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 11, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Eileen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello List,
>>> 
>>> I just downloaded Clamxav. I have ran a scan and, now I have a table of 
>>> threads found. What are the next steps to quarantine the threads and get 
>>> rid of them? I have used the CONTROL-A to select all the threads in the 
>>> table. There are 2 unlabeled buttons, so I'm not sure what they do. Can 
>>> anyone on the list enlighten me on how to proceed? Any assistance would be 
>>> appreciated, as I would like to get these nasty threads off my MBA mid 
>>> 2013. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Eileen
>>> 
>>> 
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