Hi David, If I understand what you have explained with GMAIL, if I go to gmail.com, and to the all-mail folder and delete all the old (thousands of them), then they shouldn't be downloaded once I think about upgrading to Mavericks. Is that correct? The master folder is the all mail folder and the rest of the folders are just virtual ones in Gmail and on the Apple mail native client. Did I get this right? I just want clarification to see if I thoroughly got the concept.
Thanks. Eileen -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:36 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still Look at how much you are struggling with the label concept that Gmail actually uses. It took me a couple years to get my head around the concept. It is difficult to understand because it is so different from any other mail handling protocols I have seen. So, I am not surprised that the tech support person went down the wrong track. Most people do not understand what Gmail actually does. In point of fact, there are no folders in Gmail. There is only one folder called all mail. This folder contains every email message. What helped me to understand this was when I switched to the mac and learned about virtual folders. A virtual folder does not actually have any messages in it. A virtual folder is an index list of all the messages which match its criteria. However, when in the virtual folder, email appears and handles the same way that it does in any other folder. You are just manipulating the message in its original folder, but you are in the virtual folder. In Gmail, all folders are virtual except the all mail folder. There is only one copy of your message, and it is in the all mail folder. When you access it in any other folder, you are using a label index system to access the message that is actually only located in the all mail folder. If you should move the message from the gmail folder to a local only folder, the message is copied from all mail and then deleted from all mail. If you move a message from one gmail folder to another gmail folder, the message remains in the all mail folder, but its indexing label name is changed. If you copy a message from one gmail folder to another gmail folder, the message remains in the all mail folder, but it is given a second indexing label. Like I said, it is difficult to get one's head around how it works, so try and cut the tech support person a little slack. Even the tech support person is only human. Figure out how to understand mac mail's virtual mailboxes and the gmail system should start making more sense. Then, if you have another problem, you might be able to educate that tech support person on something which is extremely confusing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:14, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well what makes it even more irksome is for the Apple rep to claim it is not > a gmail issue, and walk me through a ton of stuff that unfortunately didn’t > fix anything, so after I was off the phone with Apple, I deleted my gmail > account from mail, and mail worked perfectly fine. Not sure why Apple can’t > just admit and be honest that there is still a gmail issue. >> On Jan 21, 2014, at 2:59 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Apple fixed the problems in Gmail for many of their Max. However, after the >> Mavericks update was released, some users still reported email problems. So, >> Apple continues trying to figure out what is going on. This is the nature of >> programming and bugs. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 6:59, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, that is what I thought. Hilarious as now I only get new mail upon >>> quitting mail and restarting mail. Very frustrating, and I would have never >>> upgraded to Mavericks if I knew the gmail issue was still such a problem, >>> so yeah, I am pissed off at Apple for claiming they fixed the gmail >>> problem. Very misleading, and I guess you just can’t trust anything you >>> hear anymore. >>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Robert C <gone.to.da...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If you delete mail from All Mail, you will delete everything that is in >>>> the inbox, deleted, drafts, sent. So if you do not move or archive mail >>>> outside the gmail account, its gone. >>>> >>>> I use message filters (not using Mac Mail yet, still on Windows) but gmail >>>> is gmail. Before I dump All Mail, I look at the sent folder to see what I >>>> want to archive. Then I delete mail from All Mail which takes care of the >>>> other mentioned folders. I do this weekly. >>>> >>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . . >>>> The great majority of us are required to live a life of constant >>>> duplicity. Your health is bound to be affected if, day after day, you say >>>> the opposite of what you feel, if you grovel before what you dislike, and >>>> rejoice at what brings you nothing but misfortune. >>>> --Boris Pasternak >>>> Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn >>>> E-mail- >>>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com >>>> >>>>> On 1/21/2014 7:15 AM, Brian Fischler wrote: >>>>> Hey Nicholas, >>>>> >>>>> Bingo I think you hit the problem right on the head, as I just looked at >>>>> this all mail folder and there are 96,000 messages in it. What the heck >>>>> is this folder, as I looked and there are emails I deleted years ago. Is >>>>> there a way to manage this folder in any settings or get some sighted >>>>> assistance to purge some mail on the gmail website. Where do I find the >>>>> activity menu to see what mail is doing? Will explore around for it, but >>>>> not sure where it is. Thanks, >>>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Bryan, >>>>>> >>>>>> First thing, about how many messages altogether do you have in gMail? >>>>>> Meaning in your All Mail folder. If it's in the tens of thousands, or >>>>>> hundreds of thousands, then I think I know what the problem is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Second, is your All Mail folder enabled for IMAP? It should be. >>>>>> >>>>>> I by no means an expert on this issue—I don't think anybody is. There >>>>>> seems to be lots of different issues and neither Apple or much of the >>>>>> tech community seems to really know or agree on what's going on. But >>>>>> what I think is happening is that Mavericks Mail has to re-download and >>>>>> reconfigure every message you have in gMail. Most of us have plenty of >>>>>> messages, easily in the tens of thousands, and some people even have >>>>>> hundreds of thousands. So when you launch Mail after recently installing >>>>>> Mavericks, if you show the activity window with command-option-0, you'll >>>>>> notice that Mail is busy accessing the gMail server and checking and >>>>>> downloading all your messages. Even for a reasonably small account this >>>>>> can take a long time. I left my Mac online with Mail running but nothing >>>>>> else for a couple of days. This seemed to allow it to get up and >>>>>> running. So I'd suggest you close every application and stop as many >>>>>> other online services as you can from operating, then just open Mail and >>>>>> leave >>>> your Mac online for a good long time. Meaning at least 24 hours. Just >>>> leave it, and don't do anything else with it, certainly not with Mail. >>>> Configure your energy preferences so your Mac doesn't go to sleep. Check >>>> the Mail activity every few hours to check that it's making progress. If >>>> it seems to have frozen, quit it and re-launch. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21 Jan 2014, at 12:04 pm, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would love any advice from those of you not having any problems with >>>>>>> Gmail and Macmail. After a day and a half of everything working fine, >>>>>>> I had my busy busy problems again. I called Apple and spoke to their >>>>>>> VoiceOver people and they kept insisting that my problem wasn’t a gmail >>>>>>> and mac mail problem. I connected via remote session with Apple, and >>>>>>> the specialist was claiming my issue was caused by my other mail >>>>>>> account from go daddy. It took us a good hour to check settings, and >>>>>>> mail was constantly caught in a busy loop, after that did nothing, I >>>>>>> did a system repair which Apple felt would fix the mail busy issue. I >>>>>>> am not going to go in to the bad set of instructions that Apple gave me >>>>>>> for a VoiceOVer user to do a repair. So the repair finally finishes and >>>>>>> as soon as I launch mail, busy busy busy. I decided to delete my gmail >>>>>>> account from mail to see if mail worked with just my go daddy account, >>>>>>> and sure enough mail worked fine, so bingo it is definitely a gmail >>>>>>> problem. What an >>>> gers me so much is Apple’s claim that the fix they released in December >>>> fixed the gmail and mac mail issue. The whole reason I held off upgrading >>>> to Mavericks was because of the gmail issue. Not sure how they can claim >>>> the issue is fixed when it is obviously gmail causing my problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do have a ton of email in gmail that I keep saved in folders, but >>>>>>> this was never an issue with gmail and Lion. Does anyone have any >>>>>>> suggestions? I deleted all my trash in mac mail, and this did nothing >>>>>>> either. 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