Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-11-19 Thread Ken Schaal
>From my experience with reflective roofs galvanized quickly ages becoming less reflective! White is best aluminum paint next. Ken Schaal CommonWealth Solar On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 9:17 AM frenergy wrote: > This is a very timely discussion for us also as we have many > Midnight MNPV6 d

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-11-19 Thread frenergy
            This is a very timely discussion for us also as we have many Midnight MNPV6 discos in the sun.  Though we're careful about tightening wire landings, using contact cleaner for the fuses and fuse holders, some installs seem to get hotter than others.  We just started making a very sim

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-11-18 Thread Jason Szumlanski
That's what I am thinking. And the IQ7+ max current is actually about 2% higher than rated and we have a 1.3x DC to AC ratio so I would not be surprised if all microinverters are completely maxed out for brief periods at peak sun. I'm working on getting pictures from one of my tech's phones. I thi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-11-18 Thread Dave Tedeyan
Jason, Bright sunny days, disconnect on the west side of house, maybe in the sun? 43.56A * 1.25 for continuous duty = 54.45A. If these disconnects are also baking in the sun, maybe the extra ambient heat is enough to push it over the edge? Just a thought. Cheers, Dave *Dave Tedeyan, PE* Senior Eng

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-11-18 Thread Jay
Hi Jason Any chance for some photos? Jay > On Nov 18, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jason Szumlanski > wrote: > >  > The plot thickens on the fuse blowing issue. Again, we tore the Enphase IQ > system apart looking for any reason for the fuse to keep blowing. We > reconfirmed torque on all line side

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-11-18 Thread Jason Szumlanski
The plot thickens on the fuse blowing issue. Again, we tore the Enphase IQ system apart looking for any reason for the fuse to keep blowing. We reconfirmed torque on all line side conductors to the service (supply side interconnection using Polaris taps). Low and behold, I get a second client with

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-08-30 Thread Jason Szumlanski
The tripping breaker occurred at random times, even at night. No weather-related correlation. I have more research to do to see when this fuse issue is happening, but previous visits showed no water ingress. I'm not sure about temperature. On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 8:51 PM Jay wrote: > Hi Jaso

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-08-27 Thread Jerry Shafer
Wrenches On the latest enphase issue withe fuses, swap leads L1 to L2 and to L1 and wait if its the same fuse or same leg. Jerry On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 4:29 PM Jason Szumlanski < ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote: > So the resolution to this is in... But I still have no idea what was > wron

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-08-27 Thread Jay
Hi Jason One thought I have about the blowing fuse is to check it with a IR tool. I suspect a poor connection of the fuse to holder which during higher air temp is causing it to fail. I’m assuming that the correct amp size and slow blow fuse Is installed and that the wire connections are don

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-08-27 Thread Jason Szumlanski
So the resolution to this is in... But I still have no idea what was wrong. The string of 10 offending microinverters was split into 5 and 5. We had a spare breaker in the IQ Combiner so it was relatively easy to run another branch circuit. It has been over two months with no recurrence. So the is

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-09 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Yes, we double-checked that. I have seen that happen before and it's one of my early diagnostic steps for something like this. On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:18 AM Mac Lewis wrote: > Hi Jason, > > Are you certain that the branch circuits aren't crisscrossed somewhere, > meaning that an L1 branch 1,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-09 Thread Mac Lewis
Hi Jason, Are you certain that the branch circuits aren't crisscrossed somewhere, meaning that an L1 branch 1, isn't connected to an L2 branch 2? That could explain two different breakers tripping. Good luck On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:07 PM Jason Szumlanski < ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> w

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-03 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Undoubtedly, the termination caps are the second thing we check after the rooftop junction box(es). These are prone to installation errors, even when the right parts are used. And given the cost, I've thought very long and hard about abandoning them altogether and terminating strings in small j-box

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-03 Thread Darryl Thayer
In my experiance if the combiner is in the sun breakers will be hot breakers are a thermal device and should be kept at room temperature. Try substituting the HCAC type breaker for the stanard breaker On Thu, May 21, 2020, 8:57 AM Jason Szumlanski < ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote: > I'

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-03 Thread Amos Post
I was just at a site last week where the Enphase branch circuit breaker, outside utility disconnect breaker, and feed breaker in the main panel all tripped simultaneously, and it happened about 1 hour before I showed up onsite. The customer said it had happened 1 other time last fall but that t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-03 Thread Jason Szumlanski
The breaker in the main panel IS tripping simultaneously with one of the branch circuit breakers each time. On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Jay wrote: > A question that keeps nagging me is why do these breakers trip and not the > breaker in the main panel? > Presuming there is a 40 amp in t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-03 Thread Jay
A question that keeps nagging me is why do these breakers trip and not the breaker in the main panel? Presuming there is a 40 amp in the main I would have thought that given all the times the breakers have tripped at some point that one would have tripped and I can’t understand why not? Jay

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-03 Thread Jerry Shafer
Wrenches Looking g at the bigger breaker tripping at the same time is very likely do to response time of the breaker nothing more. As l suggested in a previous message. Use a non bridged breaker to see if it is one or both legs that trip. Also an eguage will help to see what if anything leads up to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-03 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I wonder about that. Of course, it could be the "inverter output circuit" having a fault in the wiring still (an intermittent issue somewhere within the IQ cable or home run wiring). But internal to the microinverter, is it possible that a fault could still occur at night? I had a suggestion from a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-02 Thread drake . chamberlin
If it trips at night, we know it is not the output from the inverters causing the tripping. The current must be coming from the grid. --- On 2020-06-01 12:05, Jason Szumlanski wrote: It's not weather. It's at all times of the day and night, and I confirmed that there is no correlation to rain

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread Jerry Shafer
You can tighten up the graph to minutes, even seconds if you set it up to do so Jerry On Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 10:01 AM Jason Szumlanski < ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote: > I didn't think an eGauge would provide that granular of detail if there is > a very brief intermittent issue. If I'm w

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I didn't think an eGauge would provide that granular of detail if there is a very brief intermittent issue. If I'm wrong about that it might be worth a try. What I really want to do is install a separate breaker in the main panel for the Envoy so it doesn't lose power when the IQ Combiner main bre

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread Jerry Shafer
Jason, Wrenches Can you install a data logger, say an eguage so you can see spikes or a frequency shift, surge, most anything. Install two non connected breakers to isolate the line, just for testing purposes and see if it's only one that pops. Jerry On Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 9:11 AM Jason Szumlanski

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I considered that, but it's tripping at night, so it's not a power output issue. It does have #6 wire, so this could be done, but I don't think it's related. It's a genuine CH240 breaker. We even replaced it once before. At this point, I must have a fault or faults on the roof. Maybe a rodent chew

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski
The problem is the intermittent nature of the problem. It can take 2-weeks or more to trip again. The owner is not going to want to leave a string off for an indefinite period of time. On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:00 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar < offgridso...@sti.net> wrote: > Run the system wi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski
That was the second thing I checked after the j-box. They all appear to be good. I replaced a questionable one, but the tripping continued. I have seen end cap issues before, especially if the hang down and get wet. There are no excess connectors with sealing caps, so it's not that, either. On

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski
It's not weather. It's at all times of the day and night, and I confirmed that there is no correlation to rain or high winds. That was my first suspicion. On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 10:27 AM Ray wrote: > Is it at all weather related? Rain, or high humidity? High > temperatures? Do you have any

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread Maverick Brown
Jason Can you check for heat? How close is the branch breaker to the main breaker? Maybe the bus bar is loose or the breaker is loose or wire is loose somewhere causing heat to trip the breaker. Thank you, Maverick > On Jun 1, 2020, at 9:24 AM, Jason Szumlanski > wrote: > >  > Well, tha

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread jay
Hi Jason, My curiosity is about both breakers tripping. I would suggest using a larger output breaker, I believe its a 40, put in a 50 as a test. I would assume the wire size will still be protected by the 50. And I would also ask if the breakers are actual CH or clones? jay peltz power

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
Run the system without the branch that tripped. Sorry if I missed that you have done this. I appreciate you reminding me why I keep all of the electronics inside. I get tempted Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [1] e-mail offgridso.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread Bryan Norkunas
Behalf Of Jason Szumlanski Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 7:24 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng Well, that didn't resolve it. The main breaker and a branch circuit breaker tripped again a few days ago. It was the same branch this time.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread August Goers
Hi Jason - I know I've mentioned this before, but were you able to verify that the branch trunk cable end caps are properly installed? We've had a few cases of intermittent breaker tripping where the end caps were not installed, had fallen off, or not properly installed. A little moisture leads to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread Ray
Is it at all weather related?  Rain, or high humidity?  High temperatures?  Do you have any indication what time of day it trips off at? Ray Walters Remote Solar 303 505-8760 On 6/1/20 10:23 AM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: Well, that didn't resolve it. The main breaker and a branch circuit breaker

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-06-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Well, that didn't resolve it. The main breaker and a branch circuit breaker tripped again a few days ago. It was the same branch this time. As my next diagnostic step I swapped two circuits (on which breaker they are landed). If history is a guide, it will work for about two weeks and then trip ag

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-05-25 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I strongly suspect the CH240 combined breaker was compromised (we will see). Since it happened that two different strings tripped, I doubt I have two microinverters with internal faults. It has to be the combined breaker. I was just surprised that branch circuit breakers were tripping simultaneousl

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-05-21 Thread Chad Waits
Trial and error only unfortunately. Chad Waits President-Net Zero Solar Cell: (520) 270-4873 On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:14 AM Jay wrote: > Hi Chad > > Was the enphase monitoring able to locate the bad inverter? Or trial and > error? > > Jay > > Peltz power. > > On May 21, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Cha

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-05-21 Thread scot.arey
Actually, we had a IQ7 string loaded up to its max panel size and max string length and in the spring on cool, clear day, it tripped the string’s associated breaker in the Enphase combiner. We reset but of course that breaker was impaired and it tripped again. We replaced and never had an is

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng

2020-05-21 Thread Jay
Hi Chad Was the enphase monitoring able to locate the bad inverter? Or trial and error? Jay Peltz power. > On May 21, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Chad Waits wrote: > >  > Yeah. We've had them trip in the evening as well. Just never come back online > when the sun comes up. We've replaced breakers a