Hi Jason, My curiosity is about both breakers tripping. I would suggest using a larger output breaker, I believe its a 40, put in a 50 as a test. I would assume the wire size will still be protected by the 50.
And I would also ask if the breakers are actual CH or clones? jay peltz power > On Jun 1, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Jason Szumlanski > <ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote: > > Well, that didn't resolve it. The main breaker and a branch circuit breaker > tripped again a few days ago. It was the same branch this time. > > As my next diagnostic step I swapped two circuits (on which breaker they are > landed). If history is a guide, it will work for about two weeks and then > trip again. > > I'm dumbfounded. I really don't want to have to tear this whole system apart. > At this point, if I have to remove all the modules, I feel that I need to > replace all of the trunk cable which is an expensive proposition. I really > don't know what else to do at this point. > > Jason > > > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:43 AM Jason Szumlanski > <ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com > <mailto:ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com>> wrote: > I strongly suspect the CH240 combined breaker was compromised (we will see). > Since it happened that two different strings tripped, I doubt I have two > microinverters with internal faults. It has to be the combined breaker. I was > just surprised that branch circuit breakers were tripping simultaneously with > the combined output breaker. > > Of all the supply side connected systems I have installed, I have never seen > a combined output fusible disconnect fuse blow, but I have seen many combined > output breakers tripped. I was worried early on that I would be replacing > fuses constantly, but that has not been an issue whatsoever. > > > > > > > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:15 AM <scot.a...@solarcentex.com > <mailto:scot.a...@solarcentex.com>> wrote: > Actually, we had a IQ7 string loaded up to its max panel size and max string > length and in the spring on cool, clear day, it tripped the string’s > associated breaker in the Enphase combiner. > > > > We reset but of course that breaker was impaired and it tripped again. We > replaced and never had an issue going forward. We suspect the breaker was > less than perfect from the start as we’ve add equally nice days since. > > > > This almost reminds me of loading up Outback FM80. It says 4,000 watts but in > reality, 3,600 is the max when amps spike. I will be extra careful going > forward on IQ7 string length when going to the max published… > > > > My story. > > > > Scot > > > > From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org > <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>> On Behalf Of Jason > Szumlanski > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:57 AM > To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng > > > > I'm trying to resolve an intermittent frustrating problem with and Enphase IQ > system. There are three AC Branch circuits of 9 microinverters each coming > into an Enphase AC combiner. > > > > What has been happening is one of the BR220 branch circuit breakers and the > combine CH240 breaker in the main backfed load center have been tripping > simultaneously. It has happened about four times in the last 6 months. It was > always the same branch circuit breaker, so we kept investigating that string, > checking the junction box, trunk cable, and cap, etc. Finally we swapped out > the BR220 breaker. > > > > Fast forward 4 weeks, and we got another call. This time a different branch > circuit breaker and the main breaker tripped simultaneously. We checked that > branch circuit and could not find any fault. It seems unlikely that two > branch circuit breakers would be faulty, so we have now switched out the > CH240 main breaker in hopes that it is the culprit. > > > > I'm not totally confident in this resolution and I have my fingers crossed. > If that doesn't work, does anyone have any suggestions on another diagnostic > step? These intermittent problems are a major hassle. One thought I had was > to switch to a supply side interconnection with a fusible disconnect. Maybe > the intermittent fault would blow one of the two line fuses so at least I > could narrow it down to which line the fault is on if there is in fact a > fault. > > > > I have experienced two other tripping breaker issues with Enphase systems in > the past. Neither of them were systems I installed. One turned out to be > branch circuits that were not properly paired up and landed on different > breakers. Another time we had an inverter with an internal fault which > eventually"blew up" with a loud popping noise and smoke billowing out of it. > That happened after resetting a trip breaker multiple times. This case seems > to be unrelated to those issues. 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