KR> Flaps & Spoilers

2015-02-04 Thread ppaulvsk
Wow Dan!? ?I hope you don't mind if I took some notes. Paul Visk Belleville Il 618-406-4705 Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. Original message From: bjoenunley via KRnet Date:02/04/2015 8:07 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Dan via KRnet Subject: Re: KR&g

KR> Flaps & Spoilers

2015-02-04 Thread Peter Johnson
ia KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 8:07 PM Subject: Re: KR> Flaps & Spoilers > > > > http://youtu.be/nGLz82kxDNY >

KR> Flaps & Spoilers

2015-02-04 Thread Dan Prichard
print Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. > > Original message From: bjoenunley via KRnet > Date:02/04/2015 8:07 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Dan via KRnet Subject: > Re: KR> Flaps & Spoilers > Dan, > > Very clever flaps and spo

KR> Flaps & Spoilers

2015-02-04 Thread bjoenunley
Dan, Very clever flaps and spoiler system.? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Dan via KRnet Date:02/04/2015 6:17 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'KRnet' Subject: KR> Flaps & Spoilers I finally got around to posting a video on y

KR> Flaps & Spoilers

2015-02-04 Thread Dan Prichard
to keep the spoilers down during slow > flight? > > > Peter Johnson > Kenora, Ontario > > > - Original Message - From: "bjoenunley via KRnet" list.krnet.org> > To: "Dan via KRnet" > Sent: Wednesday, February 0

KR> Flaps & Spoilers

2015-02-04 Thread Dan
I finally got around to posting a video on youtube of my flap and spoiler system. Check it out and watch it run. Still have a little tweeking to do. http://youtu.be/nGLz82kxDNY Dan Prichard Portland Oregon

KR> Flaps and Belly Board

2015-01-21 Thread Oscar Zuniga
Next time you're on a commercial airline flight, whether it's a commuter or long haul, examine the tray table mechanism as you raise and lower it. Pay no attention to the fact that once the tray table is down, you can pull it towards you on some of them. Just look at the raising/lowering me

KR> Flaps and Belly Board

2015-01-19 Thread bjoenunley
Dan I would like to hear more about the Honda window opener used to actuate your belly board!? Joe Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Dan via KRnet Date:01/19/2015 7:29 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'KRnet' Subject: KR> Flaps an

KR> Flaps and Belly Board

2015-01-19 Thread Dan Prichard
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > Original message From: Dan via KRnet at list.krnet.org> Date:01/19/2015 7:29 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: 'KRnet' Subject: KR> > Flaps and Belly Board > Got the belly board on and oper

KR> Flaps and Belly Board

2015-01-19 Thread Dan
Got the belly board on and operates as designed. I've used a Honda window opener for its light weight and torque. Didn't realize a bucket got pushed under the belly board when I was showing it off to my son. Damn near picked up the plane. I'm satisfied with the power. I've also been working on

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-16 Thread Mark Langford
brian.kraut wrote: > On my KR I planned on using flaps, but extending them all the way to the > aft spar instead of just the 6-8" narrow flaps KRs normally have. The > reason the chord of the flaps was so small is to keep them from dragging > on the ground with the short retract gear, but with m

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-16 Thread Phillip Matheson
I have been using wider flaps since 2007. they work very well. I really use full flap. http://www.philskr2.50megs.com/index.html click on removing Diehl wing and flap section at top of the page. The bottom few photos will show the flap hinges I made. Phil Matheson

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-16 Thread Dan Heath
Matt Elder has made some awesome flaps for his KR1 knock off, MEXL. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 2015 KR Gathering - McMinnville, OR. September 3 - 6 -- See U There. Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN Bes

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-15 Thread brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com
riginal Message ---- Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers From: Chris Prata via KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Wed, January 14, 2015 2:23 pm To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" H, is there room betyween the prop disc, and the ailerons, on a KR1

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-14 Thread Chris Prata
somehow this message tripled. sorry... From: chrisprata at live.com To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: RE: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:24:20 -0500 H, is there room betyween the prop disc, and the ailer

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-14 Thread Chris Prata
esner at frontier.com; krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > > HI Larry, > > Not sure what you mean by "the KR is not a design that call for spoilers"? > They definitely kill LIFT

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-14 Thread Chris Prata
esner at frontier.com; krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > > HI Larry, > > Not sure what you mean by "the KR is not a design that call for spoilers"? > They definitely kill LIFT

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-14 Thread Chris Prata
esner at frontier.com; krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > > HI Larry, > > Not sure what you mean by "the KR is not a design that call for spoilers"? > They definitely kill LIFT

KR> Flaps & belly board etc.

2015-01-14 Thread laser147 at juno.com
Mark said, "I don't know what this is, but I wouldn't click on it!" Me neither. *** Re the flap/belly board/spoiler discussion, some thoughts . . . Spoilers would be a great help in being able to keep the plane high when on approach and then dropping down to the runway threshold

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-14 Thread Ronald Wright
killing.. All these designs work well. You just need to figure out which one you want to use, how easy they are to build/install and enjoy! Just my .02. Ron -------- On Tue, 1/13/15, Flesner via KRnet wrote: Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-14 Thread Dan Heath
http://krbuilder.org/BellyBoard/index.html Best thing I ever did for my KR. Don't leave home without it. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics? 2015 KR Gathering - McMinnville, OR. September 3 - 6 -- See U There. Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ?

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-13 Thread Virgil N.Salisbury
Thx > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > Original message From: bjoenunley via KRnet > Date:01/13/2015 4:27 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Ronald Wright via KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > > > I like the spoiler

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-13 Thread Chris Prata
are there spoilers in use on any KR? any pictures? experiences? > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 18:11:08 -0600 > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > > At 03:29 PM 1/13/2015, you wrote: &g

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-13 Thread Flesner
At 03:29 PM 1/13/2015, you wrote: >You shouldn't need a belly board if installing spoilers. The >spoilers will definitely stop any floating +++ Spoilers are used primarily on gliders to kill excess lift in order to steepen the

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-13 Thread chrisprata
cs? Thx Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: bjoenunley via KRnet Date:01/13/2015 4:27 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Ronald Wright via KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers I like the spoiler concept. Easy to install. Between

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-13 Thread Joe Nunley
--From: bjoenunley via > KRnet Date:01/13/2015 4:27 PM > (GMT-05:00) To: Ronald Wright via KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > > > I like the spoiler concept. Easy to install. Between a belly board and > spoilers we should stop in

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-13 Thread bjoenunley
Original message From: Ronald Wright via KRnet Date:01/13/2015 3:10 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Chris Prata ,KRnet Subject: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers The KRs really need SPOILERS.. They are much better than flaps and a lot easier to build/install. Close a spoiler and you

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-13 Thread Ronald Wright
You shouldn't need a belly board if installing spoilers. The spoilers will definitely stop any floating.. Ron On Tue, 1/13/15, bjoenunley via KRnet wrote: Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers To: "Ronald Wri

KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers

2015-01-13 Thread Ronald Wright
The KRs really need SPOILERS.. They are much better than flaps and a lot easier to build/install. Close a spoiler and you are instantly flying again. Dump a flap and you sink first and then get to climb again. Personally, I love spoilers! Ron O

KR> Flaps vs Bellyboard

2014-09-16 Thread Tony King
Except that flaps generally increase lift as well as drag. As I understand it a belly board only increases drag. TK On 16 September 2014 05:19, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote: > I think the bellyboard could technically be considered a "split flap". >

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread Jeff Scott
I always find it interesting that the thread titles in here end up being one thing vs another thing, like flap v belly board. I'll grant you that building a belly board as an after thought is probably easier than building flaps. My plane was down for 2 or 3 months while I added flaps, fairings

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread peter
I think more effective flaps will require additional elevator authority at flare...if I remember correctly, usually flap deflection moves the center of lift forward (or was that aft?), thereby changing pitch-moment in a nose-down direction. Peter

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread Dene
the bellyboard will not be hinged and therefore un supported across its length. Thoughts? Dene Collett -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Flesner via KRnet Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 14:39 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> flaps v belly bo

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread Jeff Scott
It should be noted that the "stock" flaps in the plans didn't generate a lot of drag or lift, but were better than nothing. A belly board generates lots of drag, but not lift. But a belly board is really a patch for the lack of planning for adequate flaps in the plans. While I chose to add fl

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com
I misspoke a bit on the Nanchang. That is a split flap the whole way across. The Mustang 2 is more a conventional flap outboard of fusalage and like a split flap under the fusalage. Original Message Subject: Re: KR> flaps v belly board From: "brian.kraut--- via KRne

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com
inese Nanchang has the same arrangement also: http://getcustomart.wordpress.com/2013/12/02/getcustomart-com-delivers-custom-nose-are-for-vintage-1969-nanchang-cj-6-chinese-trainer/ Original Message Subject: Re: KR> flaps v belly board From: Dene via KRnet List-Pos

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com
" wide flaps the plans show. Original Message Subject: Re: KR> flaps v belly board From: Jeff Scott via KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Mon, September 15, 2014 9:55 am To: 'KRnet' It should be noted that the "stock" flaps in the plans didn

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread Ed Janssen
Huh? I really can't be convinced of that. The force of the air hitting the top of the gurney flap is a force downward on the back of the car - very little, if any, differential pressure is causing any significant downward force. It's like saying that the shape of an airplane wing causes a "va

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread Nerobro
You're putting a huge air dam under the plane. This is essentially the same as a gurney flap on the back of a stock car. While the flap itself isn't making downforce on the car, it's making the air under the wing, and quite a distance out to either side of the flap pack up, and provide greater di

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread Mark Langford
I wrote: "...or perhaps it changes AOA of the tail or whole airplane to lower drag..." That's got to be the dumbest thing I've ever written, now that I think about it... Mark Langford, Harvest, AL ML at N56ML.com www.N56ML.com

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread Mark Langford
Jeff Scott wrote: " A belly board generates lots of drag, but not lift" I thought this also, "common knowledge", I believe, and it may not be true "lift" that the belly board generates, but something makes drops the stall speed about 3 mph. I proved this a few weeks ago while calibrating my stal

KR> Flaps vs Bellyboard

2014-09-15 Thread laser147 at juno.com
I think the bellyboard could technically be considered a "split flap". That's what the flaps are called on Cessna 310, 335 and 340 and DC-3's and I'm sure some others - thinking of the Stuka and some of the Navy WW-II planes. They drop down from beneath the wing and fuselage. Mike KSEE

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread samantha toner
Having read the ease of the Belly board construction I am wondering if the complexity of?installing flaps is worth while ? I am at the point of finishing the stubs and starting flaps. Knowing what you know about?belly board vs flaps would you guys?install flaps? Is the?additional low speed lift

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread Flesner
>Having read the ease of the Belly board construction I am wondering >if the complexity of installing flaps is worth while ? I am at the >point of finishing the stubs and starting flaps. Knowing what you >know about belly board vs flaps would you guys install flaps? Is the >additional low spee

KR> flaps v belly board

2014-09-15 Thread Paul Visk
Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. Original message From: samantha toner via KRnet Date:09/15/2014 2:22 AM (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet Subject: KR> flaps v belly board Original message From: samantha toner via KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.kr

KR> Flaps

2013-12-04 Thread david
Built mine per plans. First flight 1984, 1476.5 hours logged to date. 30, 45, and 90 degree deployment. In the 90 degree position its awfully close to terra firma, so ?30? in the pattern, ?45? short final, and ?90? if I?m too hot. I learned decades ago earning my ticket in a Piper Warrior that

KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-15 Thread phill.h...@gmail.com
Hi Lee, from your post, I gather you have original KR retracts on your plane? Can I get details on the gear locking mechanism you are using? I have KR retracts on my plane too and I need to start thinking about the locking mechanisms while I can still get to it easily. I have looked through

KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-15 Thread Lee Van Dyke
.Check list, Check list, Check list. You would have remembered to put the flaps up. As far as the forgetting to put the gear down. I use the gear like flaps, pull back on throttle slow and drop gear (flaps). And with the fix on the gear locking mech. I have never had a problem. Lee At least

Fw: KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-14 Thread Peter Drake
quot; each side to make them bigger. Mine hasn't flown yet so I can't vouch for their effectiveness. See www.peterskr2s.co.uk . Peter Drake Hereford UK -Original Message- From: Dave Anderson Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:50 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Flaps vs

Fw: KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-14 Thread Peter Drake
quot; each side to make them bigger. Mine hasn't flown yet so I can't vouch for their effectiveness. See www.peterskr2s.co.uk . Peter Drake Hereford UK -Original Message- From: Dave Anderson Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:50 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Flaps vs

KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-14 Thread rdrace...@aol.com
ed with the effectiveness of the flaps. Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM - Original Message - From: Dave Anderson Sent: 04/13/12 05:50 PM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board Hi! Has there been debate on the KR Net about belly boards vs. flaps? I'm getting close to commi

KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-14 Thread Larry&Sallie Flesner
At 10:44 PM 4/13/2012, you wrote: >You could not pay me to do it again nor would I add it during building (what >a waste of time, money and worst of all, weight). Barry Kruyssen +++ Barry, I was surprised to read such a negative

KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-14 Thread Mark Langford
Dave Anderson wrote: >Hi! Has there been debate on the KR Net about belly boards vs. flaps? I built some fairly huge split flaps for my plane, and their performance is nothing short of awesome. I was going to gradually test them in the first few flights, but on my second flight I was checking

KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-14 Thread Dan Heath
I have built 2 KR2, and was always dead set against flaps or speed brake ( belly board ) because I considered them to only add complexity and weight to the KR. However, after reading all the glowing remarks on the belly board, and having to slip to a landing almost every time, I decided to give it

KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-14 Thread Peter Drake
quot; each side to make them bigger. Mine hasn't flown yet so I can't vouch for their effectiveness. See www.peterskr2s.co.uk . Peter Drake Hereford UK -Original Message- From: Dave Anderson Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:50 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Flaps vs

KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-13 Thread Barry Kruyssen
Hi Dave Here is my 2 cents worth, a few extracts from my WEB page. My belly board does increase my rate of decent (a lot) and does improve vision over the nose (both are easily achieved by side slipping). You could not pay me to do it again nor would I add it during building (what a waste of time

KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-13 Thread Barry Kruyssen
Hi Dave Here is my 2 cents worth, a few extracts from my WEB page. My belly board does increase my rate of decent (a lot) and does improve vision over the nose (both are easily achieved by side slipping). You could not pay me to do it again nor would I add it during building (what a waste of time

KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-13 Thread Larry&Sallie Flesner
At 06:50 PM 4/13/2012, you wrote: >there has been debate on the KR Net about belly boards vs. flaps? + You will want one or the other for drag in the landing phase to help stabilize the approach. A belly board is the least complica

KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-13 Thread Jeff Scott
os, NM - Original Message - From: Dave Anderson Sent: 04/13/12 05:50 PM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board Hi! Has there been debate on the KR Net about belly boards vs. flaps? I'm getting close to committing an starting a build. This is just one of many questions I&

KR> Flaps vs. Belly Board

2012-04-13 Thread Dave Anderson
Hi! Has there been debate on the KR Net about belly boards vs. flaps? I'm getting close to committing an starting a build. This is just one of many questions I'm sure to have along the way. Studying plans and drawings now. Thanks for the help so far... It is reassuring to see so much great

KR> Flaps Effectiveness?

2010-08-22 Thread Virgil N. Salisbury
Remind me of the auto repair shop I go to! You can have the repair, Good, Fast ,Cheep. Pick any two. After reading this list for a while, I think that all of the questions have been answered. It is now up to you to evaluate for yourself if this is the project for you, Virg P

Fw: KR> Flaps Effectiveness?

2010-08-22 Thread Patrick and Robin Russo
- Original Message - From: "David Russo" To: "'Patrick and Robin Russo'" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:46 PM Subject: RE: KR> Flaps Effectiveness? > That sounds right, but you could equally make the plane stall with flaps > up > in a

KR> Flaps Effectiveness?

2010-08-21 Thread Phillip E Harrison
[mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:44 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Flaps Effectiveness? Scott Black wrote: > The other advantage to flaps on many tailwheel airplanes is that it allows > the airplane to actually stall in the 3 pt

KR> Flaps Effectiveness?

2010-08-21 Thread laser...@juno.com
I've got a drag flap that only goes down 30º or so, but it's better than nothing. Flaps would be great and I'd like to have them, but as Mark says, speed control is everything. Cross the fence at 70 or below and you'll have no trouble with 2500' strips, flaps or not. No brakes. I'd think a sod

KR> Flaps Effectiveness?

2010-08-20 Thread Mark Langford
Scott Black wrote: > The other advantage to flaps on many tailwheel airplanes is that it allows > the airplane to actually stall in the 3 pt attitude. Excellent point, and I've had to relearn how to land my plane since I doubled my flap deflection angle. Just ask Jeff Lange, who was onboard for

KR> Flaps Effectiveness?

2010-08-20 Thread Scott Black
The other advantage to flaps on many tailwheel airplanes is that it allows the airplane to actually stall in the 3 pt attitude. The stall angle reduces with respect to the aircraft datum. My Jodel and the Cessna 140 I fly both enjoy this advantage. With 0 flap neither are stalled in the 3 pt att

KR> Flaps Effectiveness?

2010-08-20 Thread Mark Langford
Dave Dunwoodie wrote: > It would be interesting to know how effective the tiny flaps are, from > several KR2 owners. I'm probably not qualified to answer this, since mine's not a KR2, and my flaps aren't the "tiny" ones. But Ken Rand was quoted as saying something like "I didn't know I needed

KR> Flaps Effectiveness?

2010-08-20 Thread Dave Dunwoodie
I have a standard KR2 and haven't flown it yet. It would be interesting to know how effective the tiny flaps are, from several KR2 owners. Also, knowing resultant pitch changes in Cessnas and Pipers, what does the KR2 do when flaps are deployed? I would like to know how short fields are dealt

Réf. : Re: Réf. : KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Serge VIDAL
rance "Larry H." Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net 23/08/2006 19:55 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 23/08/2006 19:56 Pour : KRnet cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: Réf. : KR> Flaps I am not sure if someone has already said th

R�f. : Re: R�f. : KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Larry H.
yé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net 23/08/2006 19:55 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 23/08/2006 19:56 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: Réf. : KR> Flaps I am not sure if someone has already said this, I think they may have but if you take a piece of square

KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Kenneth Wiltrout
t all times, that way all u need is a 1 way flap handle setup. - Original Message - From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: Re: KR> Flaps > What metal did you use and how did you attach the board? > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.o

KR> Flaps / speed brake

2008-10-12 Thread Larry&Sallie Flesner
At 06:38 AM 8/19/2006, you wrote: >I used 3/16 AL-Put a 1/4" plywood doubler on the bottom of the fuse >directly behind the rear spar, that stiffened everything up and gave me a >good mounting point for the hinge. My board and mechanism was my design, it >works like a mouse trap, spring loa

KR> Flaps / speed brakes

2008-10-12 Thread Colin Rainey
At 10:47 AM 8/18/2006, you wrote: >I am considering adding flaps to my KR2 at a later stage, and the time is >right to make provisions for them. > I wonder which design would be more >efficient, aerodynamically speaking? What the standard KR needs for a more comfortable landing approach is DRAG an

KR> flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Serge VIDAL
Decision taken, Colin! I'm going to retro-fit split flaps, which are=20 probably the best compromise, since: - They are as easy to install as a belly board, - They provide as much drag, - They do give a bit of extra lift. My aileron control cables being rigged to the rear of the rear spar, I'll=2

KR> flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Colin Rainey
@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Serge VIDAL Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:08 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> flaps Decision taken, Colin! I'm going to retro-fit split flaps, which are probably the best compromise, since: - They are as easy to install as a belly board, - They provide as m

KR> flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Langford
Serge Vidal wrote: >>Now, I've got to find a way to make the torque tube and the actuator rods. I need to find a solution that does not require any welding. Maybe I can find a way that takes only rivetting and glueing?<< I used clamp collars made for machine shaft applications (www.mcmaster.com).

Réf. : Re: KR> flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Serge VIDAL
ot;Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Mark Langford" Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net 22/08/2006 15:40 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 22/08/2006 15:40 Pour : "KRnet" cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> flaps

Re: Réf. : Re: KR> flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Langford
> That is pretty much what I have in mind, except I would like to find (or > make) an aluminum flange to replace the clamp collars, then glue AND rivet > that flange to both the torque tube and the bellcranks. The tube stops > could be made the same way. I've used T-88 to glue some aluminum parts

KR> flaps

2008-10-12 Thread da...@alltel.net
Mark, Could the same general mechanism, including the motor, be used for a belly board? No, I'm not gonna put it on now, in fact, I am hoping for the first flight to be this weekend. Just planning for the future. Please put the other pics on your site, I would like to see them also. Dan Fr

KR> flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Jones
[mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of da...@alltel.net Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:59 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: Re: KR> flaps Mark, Could the same general mechanism, including the motor, be used for a belly board? No, I'm not gonna put it on now, in fact, I am hoping for t

KR> flaps/PREP

2008-10-12 Thread Larry H.
As food for thought, if you were going to glue two pieces of aluminum together you may want to rough sand the two surfaces to be adjoined so the adhesion would be stronger because of the roughness just like anything you glue or paint. If you choose to do this then you have probably removed any c

KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Wood, Sidney M (Titan) @ TITAN
My KR-2 has 6061 aluminum flanges for the flap bellcranks. I found them in the local True Value Hardware store. I drilled a 3/16-inch hole through the flange and ¾-inch aluminum tube to bolt them in place. Sid Wood KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD, USA That is pretty much what I have in mind, exc

Re: Réf. : Re: KR> flaps/ Torque tube

2008-10-12 Thread matheson
Serge. I used 3/4 inch torque tube, but on the ends I use a 2 inch length of T6 , 1 inch hollow section ( square) this was a slide fit over the tube, I welded ( but you could rivet) and arm to one end of the square section , I attached the square section to the tube with two AN bolts at 90 deg

KR> Flaps/tubes tec.

2008-10-12 Thread Robin Macdonald
Netheads, I am interested in all the information about flaps/connection to tubes etc. Has anyone any idea what the touque is on the tube when the flaps are lowered. This would give anyone an idea of what size tube to use, what size of flanges connections etc & what power is needed in the actu

KR> Flaps/tubes tec.

2008-10-12 Thread The Ainsworths
t.net] On Behalf Of Robin Macdonald Sent: August 22, 2006 7:40 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Flaps/tubes tec. Netheads, I am interested in all the information about flaps/connection to tubes etc. Has anyone any idea what the touque is on the tube when the flaps are lowered. This would give anyone

Réf. : Re: KR> flaps/PREP

2008-10-12 Thread Serge VIDAL
: glue PLUS rivets. Serge "Larry H." Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net 22/08/2006 20:42 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 22/08/2006 20:42 Pour : KRnet cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> flaps/PREP As food for thought, if y

Réf. : KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Serge VIDAL
What use were they sold for, exactly? (what application) Serge "Wood, Sidney M (Titan) @ TITAN" cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Flaps My KR-2 has 6061 aluminum flanges for the flap bellcranks. I found them in the local True Value Hard

KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Wood, Sidney M (Titan) @ TITAN
The flanges were intended to be the base plate for a hand rail constructed with aluminum tubes. There were 4 holes in the flat part to bolt to the floor. A single set screw secured the aluminum tube; I drilled that out and through the tube and fastened with an AN3 bolt and lock nut. The arm for t

R�f. : Re: KR> flaps/PREP

2008-10-12 Thread Larry H.
, in any case, I will make a rediundant solution: glue PLUS rivets. Serge "Larry H." Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net 22/08/2006 20:42 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 22/08/2006 20:42 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> flaps/PREP

R�f. : KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Larry H.
wrote: What use were they sold for, exactly? (what application) Serget "Wood, Sidney M (Titan) @ TITAN" Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net 22/08/2006 22:39 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 22/08/2006 22:39 Pour : cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Fla

Re: Réf. : Re: KR> flaps/PREP

2008-10-12 Thread Myron (Dan) Freeman
school again. Regards, Dan F. - Original Message - From: "Larry H." To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Réf. : Re: KR> flaps/PREP Your welcome Serge. Larry H Serge VIDAL wrote: Thanks for the advicce, Larry! I had no idea

KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Serge VIDAL
I am considering adding flaps to my KR2 at a later stage, and the time is=20 right to make provisions for them. I'm looking at something easy to=20 retro-fit. Now, I have seen pictures of an Australian-built KR2 which has=20 got what I believe is called split flaps (just the lower skin drops,=20 ra

KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Langford
Serge Vidal wrote: >> I wonder which design would be more efficient, aerodynamically speaking? That one, or the one described in the plans?<< I can't answer the part about whether or not the plans version of the flaps are effective, but Ken Rand commented that he didn't know how bad he needed t

KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread larry severson
At 08:47 AM 8/18/2006, you wrote: >I am considering adding flaps to my KR2 at a later stage, and the time is >right to make provisions for them. I'm looking at something easy to >retro-fit. Now, I have seen pictures of an Australian-built KR2 which has >got what I believe is called split flaps (jus

KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Fred Johnson
ticles if you can, they'll be a great help to you. Fred Johnson Reno, NV. -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Serge VIDAL Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 8:48 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Flaps I am considering adding flaps

KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Joseph H. Horton
Serge, I have the split flaps on 357 CJ and they do make a difference. I have some work to do to them yet in that there is more flex or play in the actuator linkage than there should be. I did adjust them once and it made a noticeable difference in my touch down speed and roll out. I belie

KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Fred Johnson
] On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:12 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Flaps Serge Vidal wrote: >> I wonder which design would be more efficient, aerodynamically speaking? That one, or the one described in the plans?<< I can't answer the part about whet

KR> Flaps / speed brakes

2008-10-12 Thread Larry&Sallie Flesner
At 10:47 AM 8/18/2006, you wrote: >I am considering adding flaps to my KR2 at a later stage, and the time is >right to make provisions for them. > I wonder which design would be more >efficient, aerodynamically speaking? > Also, considering this spans only the width of the stubwings, can >you rea

KR> flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Oscar Zuniga
I think Jeff Scott will probably spot this discussion and pipe in here somewhere, but in case not- he retrofitted his KR2S with new flaps and actuation and documented the performance differences and installation quite well. The photos aren't out there anymore, but the discussion can be found u

KR> Flaps

2008-10-12 Thread Kenneth Wiltrout
/o the belly board. YOUR RESULTS MAY VARY. Ken Wiltrout Kutztown, Pa - Original Message - From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: Re: KR> Flaps > Serge Vidal wrote: > >>> I wonder which design woul

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