On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Caitlyn M. Martin wrote:
> You are citing anecdotal data about yourself. You are not typical,
> and the logical leap you are making, that since you aren't
> discriminated against in terms of salary that women as a rule must
> also not be, is not a valid one.
I was not extra
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> Your apology is not accepted.
>
> You don't belong here.
>
> Go away.
I'm going to clarify this, whether any of you want to hear it or not. I'll
do it before I get more mail on it (about 1/2 supportive and about 1/2
n
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Christi Rockwell wrote:
> I just wanted to apologize to everyone else on the list for my post to
> Deidre last night. I should know better than to post when I'm upset.
> I wouldn't presume to speak for Deidre (she's done that for herself),
> but I will keep my personal soap
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> It drives me nuts to have my name spelled wrong, let alone have
> someone assume it's of a different gender... I can't imagine how you
> deal with it (other than getting used to it, like having your name
> spelled wrong ;o)).
Vinnie gets misstaken fo
On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Simon Britnell wrote:
> To a large degree, I think I agree with Deirdre that everyone needs to
> take responsibility for their own well-being, status etc. I too see
> blame as largely irrelevant.
Well, it's not only irrelevant, it's counterproductive. As long as it's
someone
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Margaret Leber (KB3DXS) wrote:
> Well, I started in 1968, and I do remeber punched cards, teletypes and
> FORTRAN...and other "fun" stuff about early computing. If any groups within
> reasonable travel of the Philadelphia area are interested drop me a line.
Maggie, mom's got
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The first stage in being able to change yourself is recognising
> yourself, recognising parts of yourself, and recognising blindnesses
> you have.
Granted.
> Most people who are sexist (to themselves or to others) don't recognise
> it in their own
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Christi Rockwell wrote:
> I changed my mind about posting this. I was going to respect Deidre's
> list, but if she's going to slander me anytime I end up in a group
> with my ex I don't feel much respect for the bitch.
Pot kettle black.
Sorry, but I believe you committed li
On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, lou wrote:
> "believe that nurture (vs. nature) reigns supreme. I do believe that we can
> overcome the handicaps of how we were raised"
>
> The point is that there is a handicap on how we were raised and if you
> have been able to do that, good for you, not everyone has the
On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> But it got me thinking.. there's an idea for something interesting for
> Linuxchix groups, LUGs, and everything else. Look for the people who
> were programming or engineering with 'puters in the 50's and 60's.
> There'll be some in your community. A
On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Alice wrote:
>
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> > The fact is that women PENALIZE THEMSELVES and that it is, to a large
> > degree, a choice.
>
> I disagree. We are brought up, educated, socialised in a sexist
> environment.
On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Christi Rockwell wrote:
> The problem with these studies is they are attributing cause based on
> correlations.
No, actually, they don't.
BTW, do you always make a point of popping up on a lists your ex posts on?
Seems really tacky behavior to me, especially in the middle o
On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Caitlyn M. Martin wrote:
> > > 1) never-married women earned salaries virtually on par with those of
> > > men;
>
> This flies in the face of almost every statistic I read. For example, look
> at Working Woman's annual salary survey. You'll find that, with a few
> except
On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Annette Stroud wrote:
> > It seems to me that, in the US at least, the liberals wouldn't want to
> > bring this up because it spoils their discrimination rhetoric, while the
> > conservatives wouldn't want to admit that family values were largely
> > responsible for the dispar
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Simon Britnell wrote:
> The pay disparity between men and women may be due to the choices women
> make, rather than discrimination in the workforce.
Similar studies were cited by Thomas Sowell in one of his books. He cited
some very interesting things, such as:
1) never-mar
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Jenn V. wrote:
> Almost nothing that Palo Alto did conformed to the standards of
> the day. Yet that doesn't seem to have stopped what Palo Alto did
> from becoming extremely successful now.
Well, the Xerox PARC meme of the WIMP interface certainly caught on.
> Of course,
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, curious wrote:
> I don't claim to know ESR however I do know guys who are after having
> sex with a variety of women.. I also know alot of women who are
> intrested in having sex with alot of guys... usualy the "players" play
> with "players" though this is not always the cas
On 13 Jun 2000, Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
> I think I have to take issue with this statement. I have met Eric and
> interacted with him for a few days at a conference down this end of
> the world, and while it's obvious that he enjoys the company of women,
> he is by no means discriminatory i
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, srl wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Of course, esr is also a sexist pig, so I don't know if we really want
> > him as a "role model" anyway.
>
> Please do elaborate what you mean. I've only read his work; I
> haven't interacted with him IRL. Are th
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Fan, Laurel wrote:
> Susannah Rosenberg, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said:
> > it seems like you just pulled that statement out of nowhere.
> > just because you say something is "widely accepted" doesn't mean it's
> > true.
>
> Yes, I did pull that out of nowhere. In fact, I pulled t
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, [ISO-8859-1] Caitlyn Máire Martin wrote:
> > I wouldn't work in a skirt because there's *no way* i'm going to play
> > along with the old corporate attitude that woman should pantyhose to
> > work, but at the same time i don't feel like having to talk to
> > everyone about th
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Susannah Rosenberg wrote:
> not to open up another can of worms, but what would you consider
> developing a new OS to be -- MIS or CS? I'm not talking re-engineering
> the Unix kernel (), I mean designing a new OS architechture from
> scratch -- sort of like the folks at Bell
On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, The Cat In The Hat wrote:
> so my real question is why can't recruiters accept a resume in text
> format especially when you are applying for a Unix Sysadmin job?
You say the following:
If you want to hire Unix talent, accept a Unix-friendly format. I can
provide text, html
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Terri Oda wrote:
> However, I've been told *many* times that I shouldn't go to a job interview
> in pants and occasionally got frowns from co-op advisors and such.
I *always* go to interviews in pants. However, in CA, women are not
allowed to be discriminated against for w
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, curious wrote:
> I wonder how much of this comes from the "corporate atmosphere" ie. in
> dance groups men who are more "feminine" seem to be more respected then
> those that are not... perhaps the environment (perhaps shapped by xyz male
> syndrom) leads to an expectation of
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Susannah Rosenberg wrote:
> hrm. that would depend on whether or not optimizing for
> "unattractiveness"
> counts. (i know of someone who apparently does this -- hi amanda!).
> personally, it's rather pathetic that women even have to *bother* to do
> this, but i know quite a
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Susannah Rosenberg wrote:
> > To some degree men and women try to make themselves "desirable" to the
> > gender they are intrested in... Other then the statement being
> > hetrosexist what is wrong with this assumption?
>
> Because it's incorrect, and traditionally the burde
On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Susannah Rosenberg wrote:
> i agree that geekiness is becoming attractive. however, it's
> becoming attractive because of _money_.
>
> and in a lot of cases, while (hetero) women want a man who can support
> and provide for them... men still want to be "the head of the
> hous
On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Jenn V. wrote:
> I just thought of an answer for the last question ('how do you
> justify linuxchix?').
>
> 'I justify it the same way I justify any Open Source project:
> I perceived a need, and I created something to fill that need.'
Yep. That's exactly it.
But: "I perc
On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Jamie Walker wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > ObIssues: Dancer came up with the observation that there seem to be
> > fewer Perl programmers available for hire at the moment (than there
> > were six-twelve months ago). Is this a local phenomenon? Or global?
> > And do
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What's most entertaining is that the bug appears to be my personal mail
> set up rather than having anything to do with the lists at all.
man procmail
:)
--
_Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net
"In /dev/nul
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I want to write something in the Issues FAQ about 'trivialising' - such
> as people using the word 'rape' to mean other, less intense forms of
> injury.
Thanks. As someone who has been raped, it's appreciated.
> I want to write this because it se
On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> The only real reason for it now is to ensure parental support for
> children. With DNA-based paternity testing, that's also no longer
> necessary.
Bingo. Hopefully, the days of sterile men paying for their wife's affair
are coming to an end.
--
On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> ...experience in child advocacy and a clinical social worker with at
> least ten years experience working with neglected and abused children)
> that crisis centers have severely biased points of view on abuse.
> Crisis centers are without a doubt va
On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Erin Clarke wrote:
> I probably could have been clearer if I'd used dashes instead of commas.
> What I meant was sexual abuse, sexual assault, sexual harassment... and
> what I meant by domestic violence was "spousal assault"...
My late husband was battered by his prior wif
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> Well, I think the state should get out of the marriage business
> altogether. That would take away a large part of the desire of
> religious organizations to be recognized by the state in the first
> place. (The other reason is probably priest-pen
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Jeff wrote:
> Yes. I am a kibologist (all of you familiar with a.r.k are cringing
> right now...).
You are NOT allowed.
:)
--
_Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net
"That doesn't make sense in any meaning of 'sense' with which I'm
familiar"
Sorry to quote so much, but I felt it necessary to give context to what
I'm responding to.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:04:42 -0500, Erin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >1. Women/girls experience sexual abuse, assault, harassment, domestic
> >violence far
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Erin wrote:
> Snarfblat wrote:
> > On a
> > somewhat similiar tangent, are very many of you religious?
>
> I am spiritual but not religious.
I am a mix of spiritual and religious, which is probably best explained by
the fact that I'm an agnostic polytheist. Thus, I consid
On Sun, 30 Jan 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> not trying to pass for a guy anymore. (Is it ok for women to make eye
> contact with strangers?)
Yes, but women don't usually look directly into the eyes of strange men.
--
_Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net
"M
On Mon, 17 Jan 2000, Mary Wood wrote:
> The way I've always seen it, this query serves 2 purposes;
> 1) to determine how mail, etc., should be addressed
This was a British company and the Brits are more title-oriented than
Americans. In fairness to them, they've corrected the page and did so whe
On 16 Jan 2000, Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
> > I like the solution of the VA Linux web team: use webgoddess.
> > Mistress, at least in the US, carries a connotation of dominatrix.
>
> And what's the problem with that? :)
It leaves their coworkers with, um, "unrealistic expectations." :)
--
On 13 Jan 2000, Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
> Speaking of websites, I used to be "webmaster" for an ISP. I asked my
> boss permission to set up aliases for either "webadmin" or "webmistress"
> and use them, but was told that I wasn't to do it. So I ended up
> getting an awful lot of webmaster
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Sunnanvind wrote:
> Ah! Now I get it! Though I've got a theory; that Mrs and Miss are
> presented as options for those weird old ladies that aren't feminists.
When I was recently widowed, I insisted on the "Mrs." title for a year
though I hadn't when my husband was alive. An
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Janus wrote:
> >> and dislike the assumptions made about Ms
> >
> >Such as?
>
> That it is pronounced Miss,
Really? In the US, it's pronounced "Miz." Has been for more than a century
though there wasn't a standardised spelling for it.
> for a start, because(of course) if
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Linda Walsh wrote:
> Just went to the site in question -- "Ms." is an option now...:-)
Yes, I got a rather apologetic letter from their marketing department. I'm
happy they acted so fast. They said it was an oversight. ::sigh::
(Did you hear that mom? I'm an "oversight"! Wh
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> Once I get my J.D. I will answer that question, when pushed, as "Dr."
> even though it's considered poor form for an attorney to use the title
> of "Doctor" by virtue of her J.D. :)
In my curmudgeonly mood, that's how I answered it.
--
_Deirdre
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, srl wrote:
> so, does anyone out there have recommendations on how to find out whether
> a company/employer is MS-centric, *before* the interviews? and how to ask
> a question more diplomatic than, "you don't actually use
> [MS-Exchange|NT|IIS], do you?"
It's much easier if
ngs down." -- Harlan Rosenthal
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, retorting in Risks Digest 20.60
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:25:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I can't believe it!
R
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Emily Cartier wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Emily Cartier wrote:
> > > Yes. See the history of SF. See the history of SFWA. There have *always*
> > > been women involved in writing SF,
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Jenn V. wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> > So, I guess what I'm asserting is that, while paying women the same for
> > the same job would be a start, it wouldn't GET or KEEP the women there as
> > a whole, particularly if they're not t
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Caitlyn Martin wrote:
> OTOH, how could he argue that Ursula K. Leguin, Zenna Henderson, Vonda
> McIntyre, or Kate Wilhelm can't write good science fiction? How many Hugos
> and Nebulas do they have between them? Zenna Henderson's "Pilgrimmage" is
> still one of my all time
On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Emily Cartier wrote:
> > Really You mean if a guy is sexist, doesn't take women
> > seriously, and doesn't hire them for top positions, women can get in
> > anyway? Hmmm... when did this happen?
>
> Yes. See the history of SF. See the history of SFWA. There have *alway
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, J B wrote:
> To quote CarlinColin Powell is openly white, but he happens to be black.
Heh.
> General Powell would probably be a very good President. Also, I believe
> that Hillary CLinton is priming herself to run for President. (Not sure if
> I would vote for her or
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, J B wrote:
> Marital infidelity...there has never been a
> President who did not have a mistress or three.
..which is, of course, an indicator of sexism in our society imho.
--
_Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net
"Mars has been a tough ta
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> It depends on the skeleton. A lot of the time, the "skeletons" are
> matters that are quite irrelevant to the individual's ability to lead.
Let's just say that the objections over Geraldine Ferraro could easily
have been applied to, oh, Clinton. B
On 10 Jan 2000, Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> >Women ARE several times more likely to quit jobs than men for a variety of
> >reasons, some of which have to do with childrearing and some which do not.
> >Given that the costs of replacing
On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, J B wrote:
> Tell me when a suitable candidate has run for president?
Well, how about we start with Vice-President? Geraldine Ferraro.
> If a female ran for president, and was either the most qualified or had
> the best stand on the issues, I would vote for her. Is rascism
On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, J B wrote:
> But isn't the whole point that the fields have to be attractive to more
> women? Currently, if a woman wants to be in any field, and is of the
> proper mindset, there is nothing that will keep her out...not sexism,
> not low pay, not anything
Point in case:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Kathleen Weaver wrote:
> Don't worry, they've done away with shop in most schools, and put both
> girls and boys in "Home Ec". I have forgotten the latest publically
> correct title for Home Ec. I think Domestic Science is what they said
> the other day.
Yes, after all, it
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Chris J/#6 wrote:
> No offense to the States, but, I knew there was a reason I wasn't a big
> fan of the place - it's seems a back-to-front country ...from this side
> of the pond, things are a lot more equal in school.
Well duh! You have, after all, had a female prime minist
On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Cat wrote:
> Ah, but I (as a 23-year-old who was in eighth grade in the late 80's)
> remember very well a choice between taking shop or taking home ec. My
> counselor asked me "are you sure? are you *really* sure?" when I insisted
> I wanted to take shop. I was one of two gi
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Caitlyn Martin wrote:
> Let me give an example. About a year and a half ago, when I was with
> Interpath, there was a programmer who I was pretty friendly with. He
> is intelligent, talented, and certainly treated the women there with
> respect. I was shocked when he argued
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Simon Britnell wrote:
> I wasn't originally stating that women in general or women at linuxchix
> specifically are pushing quotas ( and you're right, quotas are what's
> worrying me ). What I was trying to express is that I think complaining
> about demographics leads to quot
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Simon Britnell wrote:
> I see deirdre is having her 5 minutes of fame :)
Thanks for noticing. :)
> Thanks for the effort. I don't know about anyone else, but the DeCSS
> case is important to me.
Me too.
> http://www.sjmercury.com/svtech/columns/gillmor/docs/dg010400.htm
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Simon Britnell wrote:
> The prime justification I have seen for demographics shifting basically
> boils down to "There should be more women in my field because if there
> were, there would be less sexism".
You have the cart/horse wrong: IF there were more women in my field, i
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999, Simon Britnell wrote:
>
> I frequently see self-styled minority / oppressed groups complaining about
> demographic issues.
Yeah, well, you're a guy. 'Nuff said. And probably white and probably not
suffering from any major handicaps.
There are reasons of socialization that
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, J B wrote:
>
> This would open them up to a libel/slander suit SO fast that no manager can
> *afford* to give a negative review in the US these days even when it is
> warranted. It is generally the practice to confirm only the dates of
> employment.
>
> Furthermore, most
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, curious wrote:
> A warning about getting too deep into "legal rights"...
You know, this is bullshit.
> If a company is doing something blatently wrong in a big way.. then by
> all means act on it..
You'd probably be surprised how often this happens.
> if you find yoursel
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Jenn V. wrote:
> > I'm a graduate of the first type (Smith)... could you elaborate more on
> > what an EECS-focused program looks like? I never got to do classes in
> > formal design, and I'm looking for ways to make up that deficiency.
>
> My recommendation is to go to a uni
On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Jenn V. wrote:
> 1. What's EECS?
Electrical Engineering/ Computer Science.
> 2. What's 'grad school'? (Bachelor's? Master's? Doctorate?)
Master's or Doctorate.
> 3. It was taught in my Bachelor's course (and taught, and drilled
> and trained...) to the point where it's ref
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> There may be a third... that is based on information science, and that
> is what I've been considering, as another person said, on the
> character of the data, like text, images, musical scores... (though
> that description does not do justice to infor
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > It probably also helps that a lot of the people in the open source
> > community have little or no formal training. Design is not something
> > that most people learn how to do on their own.
>
> So
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Would it be possible for you to put a mailing list for the project on
> your machine or should I go elsewhere?
>
> We need to move off issues@linuxchix for our project specs discussions,
> unless we want to get bombarded with all kinds of noise when w
On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Let us not start stereotyping each other before we have all even met,
> okay?
>
> Just because some of the people want to use PYTHON, this does mean they
> are "prototypers".
Exactly.
> I will put out a preliminary specification document, and a desi
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Jenn V. wrote:
> I had not intended to stereotype, and I /definately/ was not intending to
> slur a very valid and often appropriate programming method. But saying I
> can effectively program that way would be like saying I have brown eyes.
> Completely wrong. Not 'better' o
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> I noticed there's a linuxchix BOF one nite of this conference.
>
> Anyone attending?
I was told, by Linuxchix member Rikki McGinty, that it had been cancelled!
She had asked me to be there for it too. :(
--
_Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.ne
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Thanks. I just ordered it. What about GTK+? Any good docs out there?
ObPlug: Yours truly wrote a chapter from the forthcoming Teach Yourself
Gtk+ Programming.
I haven't seen any really good stuff out there, but I do have the 10
Minute Total Idiot'
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Patti Ames wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 03, 1999 at 01:26:29PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> >
> > I'm not really fond of "Programming Python."
>
> What's wrong with it? I've been thinking of getting that one
> myself - or "
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Okay Deirdre, what is the best PYTHON introductory text in your opinion?
"Learning Python" is the best one I've seen. There will be a Sams "Teach
Yourself Python" book (which may be better, dunno). And if I ever get the
book proposal finished , there
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, curious wrote:
> 2> alot of redhat's controlpanel stuff was (and probably still is) written
> in perl (try locate *.py sometime)
Actually, Python is used more at Red Hat these days than Perl. There's a
good reason for it, eloquently stated by Alan Cox: you can't guarantee
per
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Would you mind emailing the names of those places?
>
> Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> >
> > I seem to recall a couple of places out there that let you park your
> > open source project in their CVS for free.
openprojects.net is one of them (sponsored by
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> If those of us who are really interested in working on project management
> software would answer, I would like to start coming up with an out of pocket
> cost figure, so please answer the following:
>
> 1. What language(s) are you expecting to use?
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> > No, but almost all Linux installations (particularly Red Hat's) have
> > Python installed already.
>
> I've seen quite a few Linux boxen and have several at
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Except that someone mentioned that it's an interpreted language. I would
> recommend that project management software should not require someone to
> have the interpreter as well as the software itself - unless Python has
> some solution for that, to
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I'm all for the model-controller-view concept from smalltalk where the
> > model is the data, the controller is the glue and the view is the
> > UI. That way,
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> However, I know of several projects using it for writing such software,
> and in embedded systems in VOI applications rather successfully (go figure).
>
> Is Python useable in these types of applications?
As Python is interpreted, it's less common (t
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, srl wrote:
> > I'm thinking a Gtk+ app largely written in Python.
>
> Could you elaborate?
>
> Zope is written in Python, and might be one way to make a Python
> project-management app talk to the web, even if only for reporting
> purposes.
The core could also be written in
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Not easily because, luckily, most open source projects are not one-man
> (one-person?) led?
>
> Not easily because usually the project is run cooperatively,
> with no central authority figure, which, IMHO works rather well.
Actually, thi
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I agree that it should be displayable in web, but not required to be a
> web thing - I'd want it scaleable, and if you had a three or five person
> team, would they want to have to pull up a browser, type in an addy, etc
> or would it be easier just
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Why is non-OO better? I've coded in JAVA (not in Python) and have
> found very little need for anything beyond what is available in JAVA,
> especially when I want to be able to compile the code, which is possible
> to do in using JAVA, but I haven't h
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:51:04 -0800 (PST), Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >I think it should have an optional DISPLAY in some web cgi, but it
> >should NOT be run from there.
>
> I _despise_ products th
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
>
> > I think that a women-led project is achieved only when women predominate the
> > group. If you mean woman led, as in one woman, I don't think this is
> > easily achievable in an open source venue.
>
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> Looks `way cool, but I'm not yet sold on python. What does Python
> offer that Smalltalk doesn't (that's the only other widely known
> object oriented environment I can think of).
Python is compiled down to a bytecode level, so it's faster for one
th
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> What's Zope?
www.zope.org
(web applications engine written in python)
> I would like software that allows and facilitates collaborative or
> simultaneous projects over the net. CVS kind of does this, at least
> in the communication part, letting
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, srl wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> > I'd like to see some holes filled. For example:
> >
> > 1) Project management software
>
> hear hear. IMO this would be best as a web-based product written in
> something li
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Well, would you women feel less uncomfortable if the an open software
> project were started by a woman and included mostly or only women?
I wouldn't want a women-only project. I would like a women-led project.
> There's an awful lot yet to do for li
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Really? Ok, Dima I just guessed, but Nikita I thought... well, there is
> a movie about a Nikita who was definetly female... oh well, never too
> late to learn ;-)
It makes sense that if the movie was called "La Femme Nikita" that it
would be *unusua
On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> Nope, sorry.
>
> Andrea Archangeli is listed there with all of the guys. She's
> the architect behind the 2.2 kernel's memory management. I disagreed with
> the kernel-list centric bias of the list, but if there's nothing better
Andrea Arch
On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Deb Richardson wrote:
> Kira and Rachie have started the Linuxgrrls.org website/portal, and I
> know that kira has done some development work (to what extent, I'm
> unsure). Kirrily's name tends to pop up every so often as well. Kelly
> does GIMP development work. Deirdre,
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