Re: [FRIAM] Where are all the workers going?

This is total speculation/projection: Maybe people in service roles got a wake up call to their vulnerability.  Maybe the relief programs gave *some* of them to find alternative lifestyles or employment so they don't have to go back to that position.  And likely the personal service categories mig

Re: [FRIAM] Where are all the workers going?

I first heard this in my early teens and at that point in my life had never known anyone who was "idle poor", I knew idle rich (technically just professional/merchant class?) and I knew bony-fingers poor.   There was something captivating about thethis song almost celebrating idle-poor status/circu

[FRIAM] A Quantum of Ethnicity

Barry wrote: > The author Isabel Wilkerson wrote two books which I’ve read in the > last year or two. The second one was “Caste, The Origins of our > Discontents.” In it, she looks at castes in three countries: India, > the US, and Germany. She notes the extent to which the Nazis, once > they had c

Re: [FRIAM] A Quantum of Ethnicity

gt; > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 9:21 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: [FRIAM] A Quantum of Ethnicity > > Barry wrote: >> The author Isabel Wilkerson wrote two books which I’ve read in the >&

Re: [FRIAM] A Quantum of Ethnicity

and Germany, at the time my ancestors lived there, >> were centers of radical / mystical Christian sects; maybe my mystical bent >> was genetically inherited? >> >> davew >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >>> Barry w

Re: [FRIAM] stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development

And this seems to qualify as "side-effects programming" for CS purists.  Frowned upon in engineering perhaps but central to the fecundity of life itself? But it's a specific kind of memory: a) shared and b) abused or misused. There should be a decoupling of the objectives of the writer from t

Re: [FRIAM] stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development

I do like the *is*/*does* duality you present here.   I also am reminded of the "constraint provides form" truism as you discuss niche construction. Stigmergy, for me, is the background fabric wherein "niche construction" is effected, though the "niche" is a higher order abstraction, that I *t

Re: [FRIAM] stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development

Gelerntner's Mirror Worlds reminds me of the Gintautis/Hubler conception of InterReality: https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=Z0JinvkJ&citation_for_view=Z0JinvkJ:u-x6o8ySG0sC I brought Vadas down from LANL where he was a PostDoc to give his spiel o

[FRIAM] Arbitrons, Computronium, Utility Fog, Smart Dust

which seems to be implicitly an idealized medium for ultimate Stigmergy (whatever "ultimate" might mean). On 10/20/21 9:37 AM, Steve Smith wrote: Gelerntner's Mirror Worlds reminds me of the Gintautis/Hubler conception of InterReality: https://scholar.google.c

Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

"guns don't kill people, bullets do"... When I first moved to Los Alamos, the armed Protective Force there had just built a new gun range which included a course for training in "live battle" (think SWAT).   They had elaborate protocols using blank ammunition in place to prevent live-fire acci

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

On 10/27/21 7:34 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: I have no idea how to respond to this post. I don't know what "neener, neener, neener" means, unfortunately. For some reason, I feel like King Arthur at the base of the French castle in The Holy Grail: https://youtu.be/QSo0duY7-9s I do believe that one

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

On 10/27/21 7:53 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Most people would spell that, "nanner, nanner, nanner", I think.  It's heard on playgrounds all over, or it was in the 40s and 50s.  In Mexico they sing, "lero, lero, lero", using the same notes. It would seem there are many regional and quasi-genera

[FRIAM] What can or can't (shouldn't) be said on FriAM...

Glen sed: As always, treating posts to a permanent, public forum like this as if they were chatty conversations seems ill-advised. I'm guilty of it, too. But ... tu quoque, I guess. I think I finally appreciate the key point you were making when you have said things like this before.   I so

[FRIAM] Gank-a-doodle-doo

All this talk of EnviroGanking reminds me of Neal Stephenson's (SnowCrash/DiamondAge/SystemOfTheWorld fame) second Novel, Zodiac and it's protaganist, an environmental chemist turned activist whose recreational drug of choice is "nitrous oxide" (beca

Re: [FRIAM] Forum abuse! (was Revising the American Revolution)

Marcus Daniels wrote: Well, it occurs to me I shouldn't have used the word eco-terrorist. Terror implies a desire for political change -- changes to the behavior of cultures. You are separately talking about individuals who are not invested in some deep parsing of some esoteric text versus t

Re: [FRIAM] Forum abuse! (was Revising the American Revolution)

I've been watching warm blooded creatures a lot and noticing that in some sense, it is "all play all the time", though the youth are more acutely recognized doing such.   Mammals and birds seem much more "playful" than insects and reptiles, though this may well be antropocentrism at work, it is

Re: [FRIAM] we are lost

excellent reference/article... thanks. I did have the page dogeared in my paper copy of the Atlantic next to the bathtub... I just skimmed the online version you linked... I find bits easier to skim than atoms for some reason... maybe because the ability to cutNpaste quotes with a few keystrok

Re: [FRIAM] Forum abuse! (was Revising the American Revolution)

relative to a much reduced space of possibility provided by rules. Why that is, I'm not sure. Maybe it is a social activity (ranking each other)? Or maybe there is the possibility of mastery? -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021

Re: [FRIAM] Forum abuse! (was Revising the American Revolution)

The "bumper car" image does sound apropos in many ways. I never actually climbed into one of those but was fascinated the couple of times I saw them at the State Fair...  as I remember it, there was a grid on the floor and one on the ceiling providing the two "rails" for power and there were c

Re: [FRIAM] we are lost

On 10/29/21 6:38 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: I was asking what categories, eg monads, comonads, all these abstractions on the abstractions of mathematics, want, since that might help me understand how they see their purpose, given that I was already being asked about the purpose of a platonic s

Re: [FRIAM] we are lost

by *some* kind of excess meaning, especially if I were to try to carry it further. Nothing more satisfying than being generously lapped by another bumper-car driver with your signature style. On Oct 29, 2021, at 4:32 PM, Steve Smith wrote: excellent reference/article... thanks. I agree, M

Re: [FRIAM] we are lost

> Evolutionarily speaking, we have been abducted by abduction. Classic line of the decade! .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mail

Re: [FRIAM] Forum abuse! (was Revising the American Revolution)

On 10/30/21 9:59 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: You observed correctly, Steve.  When I drove bumper cars my goal was to "win the race".  Others' goals were to crash into as many people as possible. Which is why you own fast cars and I only own beaters... not because I like to drive demolition der

Re: [FRIAM] we are lost

1, 6:18 AM David Eric Smith wrote: On Oct 29, 2021, at 4:32 PM, Steve Smith wrote: excellent reference/article... thanks. I agree, Marcus; thanks.  I was struck that not only do I wish I could write that way; I wish I could _think_ that way. There are few thoughts I hav

Re: [FRIAM] Unrecognized Thinkers

Nick - I share your appreciation for Glen's summary of our weekend's fecundity...  thoughtful yet analytically sharp as always.   It helped me to see those entertwined riffs en-synopsis.  I'd pay for a subscription to such a service... If Glen were closer, perhaps a  beer every week or two.

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

I found this article on consciousness interestingly broadening of my own view of it: https://www.geekwire.com/2021/neuroscientist-recounts-long-strange-trip-plumb-depths-consciousness/ On 11/1/21 2:25 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: I like the impredicative definition of conscious agent. Self-attention is

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

Marcus - Thanks for the reference to Harari's interview on 60 min.   I haven't read his books but have read reviews of them as well as shorter pieces of his work and am impressed.   I'm not yet tangled up in much concern about AI vs Humanity, though that may just be willful ignorance on my pa

Re: [FRIAM] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/technology/pamela-mccorduck-dead.html [eom]

I did not know Pamela well, having only met her in person once or twice.  We did have a number of very gracious/generous off-list exchanges after Joe died.  I am always intrigued by anyone who bothers to engage with the harder/tech world from a humanist point of view. I didn't know Joe at all,

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

On 11/7/21 12:02 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: There must be some kind of “Back to the future” movie that can be made out of this.  Doyne Farmer in Vegas all over again, but with current-era AI in place of toe-operated computers. Yah!  Surely Casinos can't begin to restrict computers(phones)/ea

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

about being proud of something you are really good at (or are on the way to becoming so), I think the cringey has to being the kind of dork that is not good at it or is not on the way to being so whilst imagining that one is.  Or imagining that showy pretense which can perhaps defeat (bully) a novi

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

e has no direct interest in the outcome. As DES stated, winning is a matter of patience and losing antes only, until you get good hand and then skill of playing that hand for maximum return — playing less worse than the others at the table. I am living in Vegas now and playing small tourname

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

kill of playing that hand for maximum return — playing less worse than the others at the table. I am living in Vegas now and playing small tournaments fairly regularly. davew On Sun, Nov 7, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Steve Smith wrote: On 11/7/21 12:02 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: There

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

vibration-based may have finer grained impact than we can currently account for (e.g.https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/physics-and-astronomy/ultrasonic-cavitation). Heliotropism is also a thing, I guess. On 11/1/21 1:37 PM, Steve Smith wrote: I found this article on consciousness interest

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

al therapy or massage ... or even acupressure. Just because acupuncture seems like pure pseudoscience, other force-based therapy, including vibration-based may have finer grained impact than we can currently account for (e.g.https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/physics-and-astronomy/ultrasonic-cavitati

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

the ever so slight but real bias. davew On Mon, Nov 8, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Steve Smith wrote: DaveW- Congratulations (or condolences) on your move to Vegas.  Another reference gave me the sense you might be at least *wintering* there. I probably would not be surprise

Re: [FRIAM] The danger of a single story

Jon - Thanks for this expanded conception/treatment/insight into "scope" which also invokes point of view, cultural embedding/embodiment, etc. Saul Steinberg's iconic "View from 9th Ave" never gets old for me and provides an excellent geopolitical/social metaphorical source domain for thinki

Re: [FRIAM] Application of robo-pigeon in ethological studies of bird flocks

Nick - Chinese science moves ahead in the development of the ideal society. I don't mean to be flip in my question, but have to ask if you are being flip in this statement?  Can you say more about what you think the Chinese gov't/people/culture might be "trying" to do, either overtly, or imp

Re: [FRIAM] "chilling effect"

Glen - Thanks for this example/analysis... it seems to be an example of how the vernacular creeps upward (capillary action?) into the formal and even legal.   I assume judicial scholars have entire library shelves on the topic of how this happens, how to recognize it, how to effect or mitigat

Re: [FRIAM] "chilling effect"

I saw it as "epi" in the sense that it started out NOT as part of the legal system and emerged as a technique which eventually got formalized.   Perhaps you are accurate that this transition moved it from epi to first-class, but I see it as having emergent/epi origins? I didn't decode Jon's UR

Re: [FRIAM] Call blockers

Spam/Robo calls have driven me (long ago) to virtually never having my ringer on or answering my phone when it does ring unless the caller is in my contact list AND I know who it is.   I can hardly remember how I coped with my landline in this regard which I let go nearly 20 years ago. FWIW I

Re: [FRIAM] Application of robo-pigeon in ethological studies of bird flocks

filled with pickled dogs heads. The Shadow Knows. Nick Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith *Sent:* Thursday, November

Re: [FRIAM] Application of robo-pigeon in ethological studies of bird flocks

oppose them.  Why would they not take the opportunity?  The age of sino-hegemony is upon us.  We either pull our socks up politically or settle down to be the new Yugoslavia. Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https

Re: [FRIAM] Application of robo-pigeon in ethological studies of bird flocks

I have a friend who cut her teeth as a lawyer (finance) in Hong Kong maybe 15 years ago... she has since returned to Australia (via a gig in Japan) and *hates* what is happening in HK and can list endlessly the friends/colleagues whose lives have been damaged/disrupted by the changes there. T

Re: [FRIAM] WAS: P Zombie Couches

Jon- Your relating of Cantor's predicament/circumstance really reminds me of how much I sometimes wish I could live my life over again and encounter these ideas in a more coherent order than I did. The way I organized my understanding of reality (life, the universe, and everything) sometimes

Re: [FRIAM] corruption and impartiality

uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote ... The Lerner posts seemed to echo a bit of Jon's and your objection to bureaucracy, but also evoke a larger argument I've had with several people about institutional/systemic knowledge. And Jon mentioned "jury nullification" awhile back, which is a similar subject. *Where* is

Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation

glen wrote: ... Purposefully designed systems have bugs (i.e. epiphenomena, unintended, side-, additional, secondary, effects). Biological evolution does not. There is no bug-feature distinction there. In trying to normalize your terms/conceptions to my own, am I right that you are implying

Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation

All of this discussion seems to be framed conveniently (for CS/modeling types) as Sequential Dynamical Systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_dynamical_system On 11/28/21 8:49 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Can’t the delay be in arbitrarily-small discretized units (e.g. picoseconds) if

Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation

the latter is more in the domain of the Archetype "McGuyver", leaving Sherlock more to the domain of engineering *humans* to admit to or demonstrate their culpability in something or another.   McGuyver seems to be intent on breaking or remaking things to fulfill his own current

Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation

se "hack" to mean anything *playful* and "crack" as the exploitation for personal gain. So while a white hat hacker tries to find exploits, a black hat "hacker" tries to crack the device for exploit/profit. But to each her own. It's not the word that's importa

Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation

On 11/29/21 12:04 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: Steve,  Is there any difference between a sequential dynamic system and a causal system, or is the former a species of the latter? Just trying to get the words straight. I can't say for sure. SDS's are definitely in the class of "causa

[FRIAM] Lardy Lardy!

I fixed the larding for you. 8^D "If you feed a man some lard     ...but if you *teach* a man to lard... " I don't know what mailtool Nick uses but the style of lardation (my coinage, rhymes with "tarnation") Nick affects seems just downright hazardous to the reader!   It seems that it

Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation

EricC/Glen - I'm glad we agree. I made the same points here: https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/2021-November/090981.html https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/2021-November/090983.html To reiterate, we can't reverse engineer a builder's intention from the artifact. We

Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation

ontogeny feels like what I was "fishing" for. As a Pseudoruminant with Aleph(naught){\displaystyle \,\aleph _{0}\,}stomachs I'm afraid this is going to be cud all the way down for me.  "... and thanks for all the fiber!" (wink to Douglas Adams). - Sieve [Ω]https://

Re: [FRIAM] A thread for why did we first eat or drink that?

Gil= I don't have a good answer to this one, but experience it myself all the time. SNL writers sure put a fine point on it though: https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/bad-decision-family/2868100 In the spirit of thread-twining...   I wonder if this "instinct" (habit?) isn't roote

Re: [FRIAM] "It's liberty, Your Honor."

 ⛧ glen wrote: Framing The Abortion Argument https://reason.com/volokh/2021/12/02/framing-the-abortion-argument/ I have to admit, I'm kinda swayed by the idea that 15 weeks might be enough time to make a decision. Even if it takes someone 12 weeks to discover they're pregnant, 3 weeks might

Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation

he INTENDED aspects of the target phenomenon... because that's what being a good model entails. So, we COULD, potentially, accurately know a builder's intentions after sufficient examination of an artifact or set of artifacts. Also, we could be wrong. And our internal model of the b

Re: [FRIAM] arg!

Gil- I like wearing masks, can be a caveman, imp, elf, or zombie or yes even a klingon lol. Wow, you have better masks than I do. My brown bandana rides my neck everytime I leave home "just in case" and I have a box of surgical-styles in my vehicle as well as (sometimes) a hand-sewn native-a

Re: [FRIAM] arg!

On 12/11/21 9:54 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Guys, wake up!   The mask controversy is just a distraction from the birds. Birds Aren’t Real, or Are They? Inside a Gen Z Conspiracy Theory. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Re: [FRIAM] So who needs math?

 Great turn of phrase "to stupify an argument" Exactly. Fake news is designed to inflame, not to inform. The use of 'woke' and 'racism' here stupify the arguments. On December 12, 2021 11:08:00 AM PST, Angel Edward wrote: Having graduated from one of NYC’s special high schools, I’ve

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of the intolerant

Thanks for the link to this specific treatment of intolerance. In my youth, I was known to claim: "I am tolerant of everything except intolerance" which of course was at best aspirational and more likely just plain delusional. While it applies well and obviously to the "culture wars" somewhat

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of the intolerant

tion of powers, checks and balances, separation of church and state, etc.  seemed to start out just a tad more sophisticated but a little gaming over a couple of centuries has collapsed it back to (nearly) a simple push and pull on singular axes. On 12/13/21 10:36 AM, Steve Smith wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of the intolerant

On 12/13/21 2:24 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: Maybe we should work harder to adopt *their* shared state, rather than coercing them to adopt ours? I could start by finding ways to internalize them better?   I *do* enjoy my avocado toast (toasted everything bagels actually) and am practicing gender-ne

Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??

I am coming late to this thread/discussion which is probably for the best, not diving in prematurely. I appreciate your (NST) bringing the thread back to your original question, not that the myriad braided channels of the thread are not useful and interesting. I think it is an interesting qu

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

I suppose it depends on the question.  Is the question where to place resources to tip the balance of power, esp. for the senate?   It's starting to feel like COVID.   They are around, everywhere...  I kind of wonder what would happen if there were a second Jan 6th where they were put down ha

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

On 1/5/22 4:49 PM, glen wrote: That's a good point. It reminds me of the fake-it-till-you-make-it backlash we see surrounding the downfall of Holmes, or maybe the short-sightedness of basing a corporation's worth on quarterly earnings or stock prices ... or even just until your *exit*, laughin

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

Glen - Just a nod here to your clarity of thought and expression... Your use of Gaze worked for me, but I also understand Marcus' reaction to it.  I'm sure others would as well...  Gaze as you intended it and  the rest of us received it is naturally a multi-spectral phenomenon... some of us h

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

l the US and the many European governments "democracies", all in the same vague class, with all the different voting protocols, representation methods, local -> national hierarchy, etc., what can the word really even mean? It's just too vague to hold the water implied by "

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

eygook until a very non-religious friend said that about a homeless person on the street in a time and circumstance when I was able to recognize the "grace" in what he was saying. - Steve On 1/6/22 09:41, Steve Smith wrote: Your use of Gaze worked for me, but I also understand Marcus&

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

s aspirations for the moment.  It is coincidental, but interesting (to me anyway) that this was set in what WJW referred too as the ABQ-Flagstaff Strip, a Strip City in the near future not unlike the Ft-Collins-Pueblo Urban Strip that was already emerging in 1986. On 1/7/22 09:10, Steve Smit

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

On 1/7/22 11:14 AM, glen wrote: Thanks for that validation. I think SteveS' conception is rooted in the US' typical puritanical approach to everything. I admit I'm ignorant of the history of HR. But my sense is that non-US regions have a richer cultural approach to handling drugs. Even China,

Re: [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality

A couple of things as yet not obviously (to me) introduced into this discussion: 1) Survival of the Fittest might better be Legacy Survival of the Fittest.  Evolution depends on successful *reproduction* and in fact, a string of successful reproductions. I have a number of childless

Re: [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality

people often feel fated or even trapped by their orientation. If it's plastic at all, its trajectory is at least chaotic, not amenable to reverse engineering. But, as Jochen points out, we're much less likely to engage in every speculation we could because it's such a sensitive t

Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??

I say "buy low and sell high"... On 1/10/22 4:50 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: So it went down over 20% today.  Should have shorted it.  A lot of my stocks have gone up 30% more or less in the last year--like AAPL.  I wonder if I should sell them short or just sell them.  Advice? --- Frank C. Wi

Re: [FRIAM] want to understand consciousness? sign yourself up!

On 1/11/22 10:59 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: http://www.kernel.com a little more my speed: https://hackaday.com/2022/01/07/psylink-an-open-source-neural-interface-for-non-invasive-emg/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group lists

Re: [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality

On 1/13/22 5:48 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Anyway, the reason I noticed this article is that I posit that the steely harm reduction approach that was discussed recently is in my mind a form of stoicism.   Can one put away their emotional responses and make hard choices based on the greater glob

Re: [FRIAM] NOW IS: Oh, Woe, Academia! WAS: gene complex for homosexuality

glen wrote: The non-disjoint distinction between scholar and academic is useful for me. I'm neither. And watching my scholarly and academic friends do their jobs can be fascinating. The academics spend a huge amount of time raising funds, writing proposals, playing psychologist with colleague

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexico Rivers and Navigable Servitude [was: One of many things the country is fucked on]

I've been dropping notes (poems) in a bottle in the Rio Grande for decades now... I suppose if I offered them for sale to down-river folks, that would suffice (even one single annual sale?) Cody, wanna buy a poem in a Bulliet Rye bottle?   It is up to you to wait at the banks of the Rio Grande

Re: [FRIAM] Yeeah Coin Miners made it hard to get parts

Welcome to the Singularity! How do we even measure the derivatives of the change in multiple/compounded domains (like computational hardware/software/applications crossed with terrestrial/air/space transportation which can be decomposed into yet other critical technologies (power management,

Re: [FRIAM] Yeeah Coin Miners made it hard to get parts

Welcome to the Singularity! Paralleling Technological Singularity and Buddhist Enlightenment: https://www.speakingtree.in/blog/before-and-after-enlightenment A version of the above that really stuck to me included the phrase:     "the only difference between after enlightenment and befor

Re: [FRIAM] Communication guides for the elderly

On 1/22/22 2:10 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: trigram analysis of my writing might well be dominated by that signature… Nah, it’s the forward slash, marking logical or among literals. good catch, I experience it as a lack of commitment to a specific term/concept/example... wanting the reader t

Re: [FRIAM] Communication guides for the elderly

sentence, or even noticed that for an instant it had seemed interesting to him to start it. Eric On Jan 22, 2022, at 4:19 PM, Steve Smith wrote: On 1/22/22 2:10 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: trigram analysis of my writing might well be dominated by that signature… Nah, it’s the forward slash

[FRIAM] There is a Thich Nhat Hanh sized hole in the Universe

/There is a Thich Nhat Hanh sized hole in the Universe/ begins my as-yet unwritten */Ode to Thich Nhat Hanh/ *who passed away at 95 yesterday. I would like to invite everyone's pers

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

EricS wrote: I don’t remember hearing about infanticides, Frank, though there is much I miss that does happen. me poking in with another anecdotal data point...  worth no more what you are paying for it... During my last 10 years at LANL I worked with a lot of UNM grad students, many of

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

We neuter many/most male pets and beasts of burden, slaughter many of them young (e.g. this is where most of our beef and chicken come from). We do this for various reasons that are not entirely unrelated to the larger conversation here... On 1/25/22 7:35 AM, David Eric Smith wrote: Never to

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Steve Smith wrote: We neuter many/most male pets and beasts of burden, slaughter many of them young (e.g. this is where most of our beef and chicken come from). We do this for various reasons that are not entirely unrelated to the

[FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

DaveW - I too am a Bacigalupi fan, "Water Knife" in particular, also "Windup Girl" but for different reasons. It might not surprise anyone here that I have become a CliFi obsessionist with Kim Stanly Robinson's stuff well represented ("Ministry for the Future" standing out well above the oth

Re: [FRIAM] Ukraine and NATO

Patrick - Always (more than) 2 sides to a topic... thanks for speaking to this.   I think some of the analogies to our feelings about Soviet-Cuban relations is still relevant.   That doesn't mean that Putin/Russia isn't up to something ultimately really bad for "the West"... I had Ukranian C

Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

On 1/25/22 5:58 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: < It might not surprise anyone here that I have become a CliFi obsessionist with Kim Stanly Robinson's stuff well represented ("Ministry for the Future" standing out well above the others).  His Red/Green/Blue Mars series is a good complement with th

Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

Marcus - Thanks for your feedback on KSR's writing style... it really sobered me to realize how much of an obsessionist I am on this topic and what I will ignore to feed that obsession. I tripped over (thank you Google News Feed) an interesting article in Grist: https://grist.org/climate

Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

to develop and deploy replacements.   That non-fiction would be interesting reading. Marcus ---- *From:* Friam on behalf of Steve Smith *Sent:* Thursday, January 27, 2022 12:15 PM *To:* friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re: [F

Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

On 1/27/22 5:17 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04281-w If only ubiquitous, inexpensive energy was the solution to (or the lack of it the root rather than one of the symptoms of) our overshoot problems. I believe it is yet another installment in what see

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

On 1/27/22 7:46 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Did I hear/read correctly that the Salton Sea in the Southern California desert is above the world's largest Lithium deposit?  I believe that body of water is useless for most purposes. whose modern roots are quite medley of unintended consequences:

Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

On 1/27/22 10:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: < Musk is trying to kick our cans from fossil fuel extraction/combustion/spills to Lithium (and heavy metals) extraction/discarding as well as the can of an out of-balance biosphere on earth to terraforming Mars (with care and thoughtful intention

Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

Marcus - I can't disagree with your points about Musk's *effectiveness* and those (stodgy or incompetent or narrowly ambitious) he has eclipsed over and over again in a couple of decades (or less), any more than I can his (apparent) *intentions*.   Tony Stark is a fun fictional character for

Re: [FRIAM] celebrity woes

On 2/2/22 9:32 AM, glen wrote: Teen monitoring Elon Musk’s jet ‘tracking Gates, Bezos and Drake too’ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/feb/02/teen-tracking-elon-musk-jet-bill-gates-jeff-bezos-drake-jack-sweeney-tesla-flight-tracker-bot reminds me (vaguely) of Trevor Paglen

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

On 2/2/22 1:36 PM, glen wrote: No relation at all! I chose that theorem arbitrarily just to distinguish when I post from my newly configured TBird client versus other clients. Never ascribe intelligence where stochasticity will suffice. I could have equally chosen something from Zelazny or Fe

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

the art in my 1981 copy of Madwand: https://slate.host/gepr/misc?cid=bafybeicwqgmnevz7eozntvhigdskcgezmprd55ec6ys2mrj2zlwlmpp4oa https://slate.host/gepr/misc?cid=bafybeicnyt2xgr2heluzbzpeofzkf7arti5qsk7dpr6dg6mcrapcjuqxp4 On 2/2/22 16:01, Steve Smith wrote: On 2/2/22 1:36 PM, glen wrote: No relation at all! I chose that theorem arbitrarily

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

w a natural consequence of the schmear of physical laws across the schmear of parallel worlds suspended between the antipodes of Logos and Chaos (my interpretation of his deal)... On 2/3/22 10:57, Steve Smith wrote: Regarding the Amber series and Zelazny. They were very influential on

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

with such variation in what can be tweaked and then iterated forward to watch the consequences. It's also why I'm gobsmacked by alternative logics, despite my incompetence therein. What we call "absurd" almost never really feels absurd to me. It's fine! Just play along.

[FRIAM] Democracy in Name Only: endemic regime instability

Someone here is more likely than I to have actually read Ziblatt and Levitsky's How Democracies Die A recent article (behind a subscribe-wall) included the foll

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