Nick -
I asked this because the style of your statement felt like it had the
flavor of Cold War Rhetoric which I was (also) raised on. I (want to)
think something more sophisticated (and interesting) is afoot today and
that while I don't want to fall into the low-entropy stylization implied
by this CCP Spectre, I *do* want to believe (or seek) something good
that the CCP "great experiment" might have found while we were on our
NeoLiberal hyperCapitalism "great experiment". Is there room to learn
something (humanist/humanitarian) from them? I believe StephenG's
familiarity with China in modern times (as well as others) may offer us
some parallax?
- Steve
On 11/11/21 10:42 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
Steve,
No. You are right on target for the thread. My understanding of the
present Government is that it is absolutely convinced that the
centralist, technological, authoritarian model of government superior
to other models and that this is their time to demonstrate that
superiority. I can really imagine some CCP leaders reading this
research and thinking, “mmmmmmmmm! THAT’S interesting. In my back
yard, back in the sixties, there was a teensy little CIA research
station figuring out how to get animals –dogs, ravens, pigeons,
donkeys, what-have-you, to carry bombs for them, using a combination
of training and neural implants. When the gave up the project, they
left behind two gigantic glass carboys filled with pickled dogs heads.
The Shadow Knows.
Nick
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*From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2021 11:22 AM
*To:* friam@redfish.com
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Application of robo-pigeon in ethological
studies of bird flocks
Nick -
Chinese science moves ahead in the development of the ideal society.
I don't mean to be flip in my question, but have to ask if you are
being flip in this statement? Can you say more about what you think
the Chinese gov't/people/culture might be "trying" to do, either
overtly, or implicitly by simply following their individual
goals/interests/desires?
I believe that the collective dynamics between Nations/Peoples are
what is dominating the movement/evolution of humanity (cultural, not
genetic) and that it is like an N-body problem in complexity and
subtlety but is effected primarily through network relations.
Like Gene Expression Networks, I believe that the more important
"memes" (I think this is a useful but risky metaphorical binding that
Dawkins coined for us most of a career (for me) ago) are those that
are _regulatory_ which is why the likes of Trump and Bannon and Stone
and the whole cabal of supervillians we are coping with these days
focus on things like "fake news!" and "big lie!", etc. In the spirit
of McLuhan, "the medium IS the message", the medium itself becomes the
_thing to manipulate_ like trying to disrupt the news credibility and
the election process as well as becoming the definition of a
tweetHole, and using Facebook to disseminate dysInfo etc.
I know this is an acute threadbend, you were trying to talk about
birds and flocking and experimental techniques for studying same...
if you do feel inclined to answer, it is probably best to rethread.
https://jin.imrpress.com/article/2020/1757-448X/1757-448X-19-3-443.shtml
If the robo-pigeon is a dominant member of the flock, you can make
the flock do loop-di-loops by commanding the robo-pigeon to loop.
If subordinate, the loop-di-looping behavior of the robopigeon has
no effect on the flock. A robo-pigeon is one with a brain implant
and pigeons are operated on AFTER their dominance in the flock has
been determined.
I hope I have this all right.
Nick
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