On Jan 2, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com>
wrote:
Nick writes:
< So, what does a healthy 2040 community look like. What are we
working TOWARD, here. Once of the things that the Mcnamee podcast
highlighted for me was my feeling that, in a chaotic world,
people like me,/planners,/are just out of tune with the world. >
I don't think it really matters how people interact in social
media or what they think. What will matter is how people adapt
to climate change and the exhaustion of food and energy, and the
migrations resulting from climate change. That's where the
opportunities will be. If there are millions of people that
deny it is happening like they deny pandemics, then things simply
must be arranged so that the natural accounting occurs. The
planners will look past the chaos and make their investments..
and wait.
Marcus
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*Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??
So, what does a healthy 2040 community look like. What are we
working TOWARD, here. Once of the things that the Mcnamee podcast
highlighted for me was my feeling that, in a chaotic world,
people like me,/planners,/are just out of tune with the world.
By the way, I think “surfing the web” , as it has been used, is a
terrible metaphor. What most of us do is like water skiing the
web. Bouncing over the wake, never actually getting into the
water. Gives surfing a bad name. A surfer finds the few
survivable paths through an immense concentration of hostile
forces. Surfing is more like martial arts. In fact we must
begin to surf the web. To realize the manners in which its
hostile forces constrain us and find the few paths that allow us
to master those forces and come out of the curl safely. We
thought it was a playground; now we see it’s a minefield.
n
Nick Thompson
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*From:*Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com>*On Behalf Of*Marcus Daniels
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*Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??
Nick writes:
< Imagined a world in which we all worked at home, everything was
on zoom, and everything was delivered by Amazon by drone. I
realize this is a reductio, but hum along with me for a few
bars. There would be no intermediate social landscape between
the home and the distribution center. No intermediate human scales.
I can’t say immediately why this would be a bad thing, but my gut
doesn’t like it.>
I can't think of many examples where the intermediate scales are
anything but wasteful or intrusive. Maybe to see a tailor
coupled to the purchase of certain clothes? I still drive to
services (dentist, doctor, hair stylist), just not to
redistributors, because they don't really add anything. There's
still a farmer's market that seems as popular as ever -- but they
DO offer something unique. I can drive five minutes to Home
Depot but honestly half the time their inventory is exhausted for
what I want, and I end up ordering it online.
Marcus
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*Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??
Marcus,
I would like to be convinced …. But
Imagined a world in which we all worked at home, everything was
on zoom, and everything was delivered by Amazon by drone. I
realize this is a reductio, but hum along with me for a few bars.
There would be no intermediate social landscape between the home
and the distribution center. No intermediate human scales.
I can’t say immediately why this would be a bad thing, but my gut
doesn’t like it.
Nick
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*Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??
I can see living without Facebook (I do), but why can't we live
with Amazon? It seems like they did a pretty good job of
displacing the likes of Walmart. It could happen again. What
added inherent value do stores have, other than as a mechanism to
prevent he consolidation of market influence w.r.t. to prices?
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*Subject:*[FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??
I just listened to this podcast
https://feeds.megaphone.fm/VMP5489734702
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a conversation between the former prosecutor, Joyce Vance, and
the musician, financier, turncoat Facebook investor Roger
Mcnamee, who likens this moment with big tech to the moment
before the food industry regulations of the early 1900’s and
anti-pollution legislation of the 60’s, moments when Da People
reasserted control over over-weening industry interests. He is
author of the book,/Zucked/.
An hour-long pod cast is a terribly inefficient way to learn
about something, so I hope that one you, for whom none of this is
news, can offer a more condensed source.
We are basically talking about the Amazon paradox, here: can’t
live with it; can’t live without it. How much ARE we willing to
pay to have the trains run on time?
As usual, I am in need of instruction.
Nick Thompson
thompnicks...@gmail.com
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