excellent reference/article... thanks.
I did have the page dogeared in my paper copy of the Atlantic next to
the bathtub... I just skimmed the online version you linked... I find
bits easier to skim than atoms for some reason... maybe because the
ability to cutNpaste quotes with a few keystrokes gives me the illusion
of more participation. Or maybe it will be easier for me to skim the
paper copy with the Foster Grant Progressive (0-2.75) Readers I
shoplifted from the grocery today.
Like George Packer, my first vote was in 1980, but unlike him I was
captured by the L/libertarian undertone of the Reaganites. I was young
and dumb and full of myself (now I'm just old) and I missed the
racial/class signaling going on which is what slowly flipped (inverted)
me to something a lot more like a Socialist these days.
I do like the narrative(s) implied by the tension between Real, Smart,
Free, and Just America(n)s... in a cyberpunk kinda way.
Is it a 4 component spring model, or is a four body problem in the
orbital mechanics sense... probably no harder than the three body problem?
On 10/29/21 11:36 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Will AIs want the same things I want? I think Roger was just being
silly, but `categories’ could be wrangled into to some vaguely
adjacent thing like typed computer programs for autonomous control
systems in a robot. Let’s call it a careful robot. Will all
intelligent life be like humans and will they want love and
recognition? Why must that be the case? Why must it be true for
humans? Why does HR assume I even want a safe space? I’m reminded
of George Packer’s Free America, Smart America, Real America and Just
America. None of them really gave a damn about the others as far as
I can tell. It is just a model, of course.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/george-packer-four-americas/619012/
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Ok, So, Marcus,
> What do categories want?
Love, recognition and safety? Someone phone HR and get the ball
rolling on a new policy!
Spoken from the high perch of Irony. Irony is like wormwood,
delightful in small doses but ultimately toxic. Do we not all want
love, recognition, and safety? Do we also want excitement and
challenge. Go figure! Some of us crave more of the one; some more
of the other. Given the contradiction between those things, can we
expect the right balance be guaranteed for each and every one of us,
for all time? No. Of course not. But is that reason to mock human
striving toward these goals? Or to mock Utilitarian attempts to
facilitate their achievement? No. I don’t think so. Irony is a
guilty pleasure. Even though I use it and enjoy it, I have to admit
that it is a an abdication and fails as a policy.
Nick
Nick Thompson
thompnicks...@gmail.com
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> So, not only do we attribute teleology to inanimate objects,
weather, animals, and people, but also to the platonic solids. Which
probably leads to:
>
> What do categories want?
Love, recognition and safety? Someone phone HR and get the ball
rolling on a new policy!
Marcus
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