I did not know Pamela well, having only met her in person once or twice.  We did have a number of very gracious/generous off-list exchanges after Joe died.  I am always intrigued by anyone who bothers to engage with the harder/tech world from a humanist point of view.

I didn't know Joe at all, but in listening to a panel discussion <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iv-T-RqDfc> with Pamela a couple of years ago, she attributed the "Reasonable Person Principle" to Joe, or at least to him having shepherded it well while CS chair at CMU.  On a good day, it feels as if FriAM tries to approach this.

From Joe's Memorium at CMU <https://csd.cmu.edu/news/memoriam-joseph-f-traub>

   "I have always admired Joe's leadership style, which was strongly
   rooted in the Reasonable Person Principle," said Shaw, the Alan J.
   Perlis University Professor of Computer Science and a National Medal
   of Technology and Innovation recipient. "He made decisions by
   building consensus, sometimes by public meetings preceded by
   position papers, sometimes by walking around and talking to people.
   He rarely, if ever, was the main public advocate for a position, but
   he rather shepherded the discussion to a reasonable outcome."

I had forgotten that Pamela published a memoir and announcing that was (best I can tell) her last contribution to this list just over 2 years ago...

https://press.etc.cmu.edu/index.php/product/this-could-be-important/

Mary has read  a lot of memoirs with me in the last 4-5 years... Pamela's now goes on our list.  I only wish I'd bothered when she announced it.

- Steve


On 11/5/21 4:02 AM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
Thank you Marcus and Stephen for your remarks.  Pamela and Joe were good friends, and she was a  mentor for me as I struggled to enter the new world of complex systems.  We met when Pamela interviewed me for her book "The Futures for Women" which, not surprisingly, you won't see mentioned among her many contributions (some things never change).

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:02 AM Stephen Guerin <stephen.gue...@simtable.com> wrote:

    We were fortunate to have Pamela among us. Take some time and
    search the interwebs on Pamela
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_McCorduck>. Order her books
    
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=pamela+mccorduck&i=digital-text&ref=nb_sb_noss_2>
    and watch her interviews
    
<https://www.google.com/search?q=pamela+mccorduck&rlz=1CAOTWH_enUS880&sxsrf=AOaemvIiN1Cz-TSMhP2g1fOUSNsTjPIDlw:1636080887613&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwiDs4ShnID0AhXyh_0HHapQB54Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1200&bih=649&dpr=2>.
    Pamela witnessed the birth and the growth of AI and danced and
    sparred with the great luminaries (Herb Simon, Ed Feigenbaum, her
    husband Joe Traub, Raj Reddy, etc) - She was a humanist that
    interpreted the field and created bridges for Snow's Two Cultures.
    She was an equal among the masters.

    She reminded me of my favorite aunts, one that humored
    explorations but let you know you still had no idea what you're
    talking about.  I always valued her perspective and was honored
    she was watching and occasionally participating.

    Pamela was one of the great ones.

    -Stephen
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    On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 9:39 PM Frank Wimberly
    <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote:

        I'm so sorry about that.  I just reviewed the many emails Pam
        and I exchanged over the years.

        ---
        Frank C. Wimberly
        140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
        Santa Fe, NM 87505

        505 670-9918
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        On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 6:01 PM Marcus Daniels
        <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote:


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