I think it was Churchill who supposedly said it and I always took it as a bit tongue-in-cheek for the very reasons you highlight. My point is that in the pursuit of (self?) governance (restraint/guidance?) we have formed governMENTs which seem destined to be tyrannical, even if it is (another proverbial sophism?) "the tyranny of the majority over the minority".    As (dynamical) systems oriented folks, I think we might have a good intuition for what governance in the abstract is good (essential) for.   One one end, some here seem to be strong believers in the emergent "invisible hand" of Adam Smith escaping the economic markets and ruling all things (thus the Darwin Awards, etc.).

I felt the Churchill quote left one important opening (intentionally) which might challenge us to come up with a *more better* form of governANCE which aspires to some of the qualities that Democracies seem to seek (Equality, Justice, Freedom, Pursuit of Slap-Happiness, etc.).

I'm further from an answer here than ever on this topic.  My ambitous, misspent youth had me wanting to believe in the Libertarian Ideal which I've abandoned in it's various formalisms, but still give a nod to the "invisible hand" of collective, emergent properties.    I think one of Nick's threads is verging on this (group-selected evolution) but I don't have the bandwidth (or acuity?) right now to do justice to braiding these together.

- Steve

On 1/6/22 7:35 AM, glen wrote:
I hear that quote repeated and I can't help but think it's a bit exceptionalist. I'm no scholar of types of government. But the quote, and the sentiment, always seems flawed to me, as if "democracy" were well defined. I mean, if we can call the US and the many European governments "democracies", all in the same vague class, with all the different voting protocols, representation methods, local -> national hierarchy, etc., what can the word really even mean? It's just too vague to hold the water implied by "all the other one's we've tried".

On 1/5/22 18:58, Steve Smith wrote:
"The *worst* form of government, except for all the other one's we've tried!"   I suppose it is time to try some other forms of "governANCE" ?



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