On 1/5/22 4:49 PM, glen wrote:
That's a good point. It reminds me of the fake-it-till-you-make-it
backlash we see surrounding the downfall of Holmes, or maybe the
short-sightedness of basing a corporation's worth on quarterly
earnings or stock prices ... or even just until your *exit*, laughing
all the way to the bank. I think I posted on the paradox of tolerance
recently. On the one hand, tolerating Republican gaming like voter
suppression, packing the court with long-term judgeships, and
gerry-mandering requires Democrats to engage in the same slimy
behavior when they're in charge. But *not* tolerating it requires that
Dems have to put a stop to it when *they're* in charge, shooting
themselves in the foot. It's like the no-go theorems. What results is
constant deadlock.
But when something does happen, it's the Reps who make it happen
because Reps are too short-sighted to care what'll happen if/when they
lose power and Dems are too far-sighted to make aggressive moves when
they can. Then when the Reps lose power and The System oppresses them
exactly the way they designed it to oppress others, they conveniently
forget, whine and whimper, and the silly *empathy-laden* Dems behave
"reasonably".
Maybe we really do need a Philosopher Queen, with a ruthless cadre of
lictors, instead of this Frankenstein's monster we have?
"The *worst* form of government, except for all the other one's we've
tried!" I suppose it is time to try some other forms of "governANCE" ?
On 1/5/22 15:25, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Glen writes:
< The actual penalty isn't really the deterrent. The deterrent is
being "in the System" ... having the bureaucracy keep an eye on you.
Look at the many people whose outlook has deteriorated simply from
The System Gaze. >
And yet essentially the entire Republican party has been taken over
by people tolerant of these nuts. If they become the System, then
the Gaze changes (subject to limitations in attention span). I
agree the bureaucracy and the rejection by the lefty meanies and
"manager class" seems to get to them, but there also appears to a
real fear of the deep state. Sometimes I wish this imaginary deep
state would swallow some of them up just to promote a sense of
paranoia and powerlessness. It's not like they are *after*
democracy, so they shouldn't be upset or surprised if it the
machinery turns against them.
Marcus
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Yeah, while I disagree with the minor point Barry makes about the
coloring (e.g. CA is darker but with larger pop than TX, same re NY
and PA), the visualization isn't the point. The point is a database
GUI so you can hover and see the vector of numbers, click to see the
names, etc.
As for putting them down hard, I tend to think the death by 1000 cuts
is more effective. The actual penalty isn't really the deterrent. The
deterrent is being "in the System" ... having the bureaucracy keep an
eye on you. Look at the many people whose outlook has deteriorated
simply from The System Gaze. When Rittenhouse was acquitted, it
reminded me of Zimmermann
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman>>, child movie/music
stars, and cancelled professors/pundits. Unless you've got a really
solid support system, that focused attention will be excruciating.
You'll learn to punch the paparazzi in the face and hermit yourself
away quickly ... or die from a drug overdose eventually.
Swift punishment is supposed to be a citizen right. But if The System
Gazes at you, that's the real punishment. Plus, many people have
short attention spans. So if you put some down hard, you'll
radicalize some onlookers. But if you put them down over, say, 10
years, the onlookers get bored or distracted.
On 1/5/22 10:58, Marcus Daniels wrote:
I suppose it depends on the question. Is the question where to place
resources to tip the balance of power, esp. for the senate? It's
starting to feel like COVID. They are around, everywhere... I
kind of wonder what would happen if there were a second Jan 6th
where they were put down hard. Would it change anything if they
were dead in front of the capitol and it was on Fox News?
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This map, like many others, is pretty much a map showing the
population of each state. Using color to give
#insurrectionists/population would be better, but even this still
improperly gives relative importance to the states with large areas.
Dave named the two states that are formerly independent. For
completeness I’ll add West Virginia which seceded from Virginia when
Virginiu seceded from the US. (I think some counties in east
Tennessee also seceded, but weren’t enough to make a state and
weren’t contiguous with the US.
—Barry
On 5 Jan 2022, at 10:19, glen wrote:
https://insurrectionindex.org/ <https://insurrectionindex.org/>
<https://insurrectionindex.org/ <https://insurrectionindex.org/>>
It's interesting how bright Texas and Florida are. Maybe I
should move to Vermont next. 8^D
-- glen
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