Re: switching to mutt from Outlook
On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 10:57:41AM -0500, Jeff Abrahamson thus spoke: > This is more mutt advocacy than usage, and is perhaps more general > than just mutt. Well, hope it's still appropriate. > > I'm trying to switch someone from Outlook to mutt. I've found > utilities on the net to convert his address book, but I've had no > success finding utilities for converting the actual mail files. Any > tips? > > Tia. > Sure...bounce every message to the new address. That's the only way I can think of getting them out of the .pst file. I was told no known extractor exists, and why bother?--shouldn't be using M$ anyway to begin with. :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Colour via telnet/ssh
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 03:14:21PM +, Chris Green thus spoke: > I'm using mutt on this system (x-1.net) via an ssh connection from a > Sun workstation. It works fine except for colour. I have mutt > running on the Sun locally with colour working OK and have copied the > commands across. > > I have slrn working on this ssh session and displaying colour OK > (using slrn -C), is there any way to get mutt to send colour > information too? I have a local Linux box and a remote Sun UltraSparc running Solaris talking with ssh, and I can get mutt on the Solaris box to do my linux colour. Make sure you set your termcap/terminfo correctly for the platform you're actually viewing it with, on the remote host. Other than that, I had to do nothing to make it work out of the box. Word of warning: Setting the termcap/terminfo to linux on Solaris works great for mutt and about everything EXCEPT vi, which had problems with insert doing extra nonexistent spaces. Use vim or another editor and you'll be fine. It was just the native vi that was wobbly. mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Colour via telnet/ssh
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 04:58:29PM +0100, Jan Houtsma thus spoke: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 10:43:14AM -0500, Fairlight wrote: > > > > Word of warning: Setting the termcap/terminfo to linux on Solaris works > > How do i do that? > Thanks, > > jan Well, you can copy the linux termcap entry to a file $HOME/.termcap and you can make a $HOME/.terminfo directory, and then a $HOME/.termcap/l directory under that. Copy the linux terminfo file into that last directory. Then, set your environment for your shell... set TERMCAP to $HOME/.termcap and TERMINFO to $HOME/.terminfo (not the whole path to the file...terminfo works slightly differently). Then set TERM to linux via whatever mechanism your shell prefers. Or, you can have your remote sysadmin install the termcap/terminfo entries you provide, and just set TERM. :) I included the above in case that's not feasible due to lazy/clueless sysadmin syndrome. mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Colour via telnet/ssh
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 08:06:29PM +0100, Holger Eitzenberger thus spoke: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 03:14:21PM +, Chris Green wrote: > > > I'm using mutt on this system (x-1.net) via an ssh connection from a > > Sun workstation. It works fine except for colour. I have mutt > > running on the Sun locally with colour working OK and have copied the > > commands across. > > > > I have slrn working on this ssh session and displaying colour OK > > (using slrn -C), is there any way to get mutt to send colour > > information too? > > Please correct me if i am wrong but i think its mostly your ssh-client > (-- it has to understand ANSI colors --) which is responsible for > the colors. On some minor popular OS i use TeraTerm to connect to > my linux box. It is in the public domain and supports colors in the > VT100 emulation. Well ssh understands what termcaps/terminfo's it's given to deal with. It's more a question of what are you running on the client side as far as a console to run it on (linux works...I do it daily), and having the remote end's terminal settings correct. It really does work out of the box with a 1.2.26 ssh install (last non-crappy-license version I know of). mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: [fwd] Can not run mutt.exe (from: siddhivinayak.nirvaneshwar@tatainfotech.com)
Do you get a bonus if your eyes stick to the back of your head after rolling that far back? :) Man...density factor higher than lead there. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Reading HTML Attachments
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 07:28:19PM +0100, Jens Bech Madsen thus spoke: > Unfortunately a lot of websites are based on databases and often have > really illegible URLs. I often have the problem that urlview gives me a > long list of nearly identical URLs without providing context. > > What I would really like to see is a function that allows you to choose an > URL directly from the message window a bit like lynx. I fail to see why the builtin pager can't have a URLjump binding that would work like lynx does, and then let you trigger a browser external from that point, on that url. This seems to fall within the scope of a pager, yet leaves the web client external, thus catering to the lean MUA/rest-to-other-suitable-apps model. urlview is okay, but I think having this functionality built into the pager would indeed be more slick and seamless. I agree with you on this. This said from a person still running 0.95.7i. :) I saw all the bug reports at 1.x and decided I was better off where I was. I haven't been having any problems with mine. mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: word wrap
On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 12:30:28PM -0600, Ben Beuchler thus spoke: > On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 04:50:02AM +, j mckitrick wrote: > > In vi: > > :set textwidth=74 > :set wrapmargin=75 -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Reading gzipped mailboxes
On Mon, Mar 27, 2000 at 03:32:15AM +0900, Sam Alleman thus spoke: > > I was wondering if there was any simple way to read gzipped mailboxes. > I like to archive my mail periodically, and gzip them to save space. > Periodically, I'll need something from one of my old messages. Usually, > I'll use zgrep to search for some keyword, gunzip the file, and fire up > mutt. Can anyone think of a way ( either using some sort of preprocessor, > or a new feature in mutt ) to read the mailbox file without gunzipping them? > In fact, if mutt could handle some sort of encrypted mailbox seamlessly > that would be *EXCEPTIONALLY* cool! Pgp encrypted mailboxes would be > fantastic. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. > > Sam I've wished for a gzipped mailbox read feature myself. However, I'll politely disagree with you on PGP encrypted mailboxes being fantastic. In fact, it would be slow and cumbersome, for the simple reason that in the case of a mailbox you want to add onto, you'd have to know if it was PGP encrypted (which would likely mean creating an ASCII armoured file, which would then require a third layer of gzipping to get it BACK down to a reasonable size), and also have to unencrypt it to read it, write to it, and then reencrypt it entirely over again. >From a development standpoint, that's very ugly and very messy, and I wouldn't be surprised if they say it will never happen...for the reasons listed above. I second the motion for a gzip-capable mutt though. (No wisecracks about, "Sure, just send in the patch!" either!) :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: macro to delete all msgs
On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 05:48:57AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] thus spoke: > > I need a macro to exec the following commands : > " tag all the messages in the current mailbox, and then delete the tagged messages". > > Can anyone tell me how to do this ... Here's mine. Keep in mind I have threads collapsed a lot of times...if you have any collapsed at all, this will uncompress so they can be tagged. folder-hook . 'push V' That one collapses all threads on entering a folder. macro index \Cx ":push VD~A\n\n" And this one expands and deletes all when I hit ^x. Bests, mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||| Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free, | <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | http://www.fairlite.com \/||| --Le Bon | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A quick question.
On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 11:52:20PM +, Natasha Live thus spoke: > How would i go about setting up mutt so that it sets Reply-To: automaticaly. > > I have tried to use hdrs but i must have got the format or something wrong. my_hdr Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] hdrs is for sort order on displaying headers in pager. Entirely different functionality. HTH. mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free, | <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | http://www.fairlite.com \/||| --Le Bon | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A quick question.
On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 09:44:38PM -0500, John R. Sheets thus spoke: > On May 04, 2000, Fairlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > hdrs is for sort order on displaying headers in pager. Entirely different > > functionality. > > Are you sure you're not thinking about hdr_order? (c: > > http://mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-3.html#ss3.12 I sprawl corrected (I'm in bed). Yes, hdr_order is what I meant in that last bit, but the my_hdr advice was correct. I'll have to look up hdrs and see wtf it does now. :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||| Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free, | <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | http://www.fairlite.com \/||| --Le Bon | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: collapse-all
On Fri, May 05, 2000 at 09:42:15PM +0800, billy chan thus spoke: > Is there a way to default the index view to "collapse-all" ? > Thanks! folder-hook . 'push V' mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free, | <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | http://www.fairlite.com \/||| --Le Bon | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: collapse-all
On Fri, May 05, 2000 at 11:42:06AM -0500, Jason Helfman thus spoke: > On Fri, May 05, 2000 at 11:50:23AM -0400, Fairlight muttered: > | On Fri, May 05, 2000 at 09:42:15PM +0800, billy chan thus spoke: > | > Is there a way to default the index view to "collapse-all" ? > | > Thanks! > | > | > | folder-hook . 'push V' > > single quotes and double quotes, neither worked for me I had gotten this from a PhD on this list...can't remember their name rightly, but they helped me greatly when I got into mutt. It's worked for me under 0.95.7i and 1.0.1i, and still is. The original person asking for the method says it works for him. Did they break something in a later version? mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||| Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free, | <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | http://www.fairlite.com \/||| --Le Bon | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing From: Header
On Fri, May 05, 2000 at 11:18:23AM -0500, Corey G. thus spoke: > > Does anyone know of a way to change the "From:" address when sending an email. I >know of a way > in Pine but have been unsuccessful with Mutt. I need this because I send email from >a Unix box > with an ID that does not exist on our real email production system. I do not like >using "Reply-To" because > most people ignore this option and try to send to the "From:" field instead. I need >a way to change > this without changing my Unix ID on the box the email originated from. On the send menu screen hit escape f. Alternately, set a my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||| Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free, | <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | http://www.fairlite.com \/||| --Le Bon | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
refresh automatically?
Mutt 1.0.1 Is there a way for mail_check's 5 second check to automatically redraw the index if there is new mail? Elm used to do this and I really miss it. It doesn't seem to do anything so long as there is no keyboard input. mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free, | <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | http://www.fairlite.com \/||| --Le Bon | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: refresh automatically?
yes, that helps, thanks! -- Fairlight-> ||| | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free, | <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | http://www.fairlite.com \/||| --Le Bon | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exim vs. Mutt (Round 1)
Hello... I installed Mutt this morning and am having a conflict with Exim, my MTA. Basically, Exim is almost a straight-forward sendmail drop-in replacement, compatible with almost every standard argument. When sending a message, I get the following: exim abandoned: unknown, malformed, or incomplete option -- Error sending message, child exited 1 (). I looked in my .muttrc at the sendmail settings and tried half a dozen alterations to it, to no avail...same error. Finally I took to invoking exim by hand with the same flags as the default sendmail entry in .muttrc ...it works with no problem by hand. The PROBLEM is that mutt is somehow (someWHY) invoking sendmail/exim with the actual argument "--" ...And that's what exim is puking on. I can reproduce the exact error message above manually just feeding `exim --` at a shell prompt (or sendmail -- ...it's a symlink). I checked roughly through the source for sendlib.c and couldn't seem to find any place where it would be doing this internally. It's NOT in the config file I'm using...so it must be internal. Can someone please point out a solution, or at least where in the source this is happening? Advice, anyone? TIA... mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Exim vs. Mutt (Round 1)
> > The PROBLEM is that mutt is somehow (someWHY) invoking sendmail/exim > > with the actual argument "--" ...And that's what exim is puking on. > One solution would be to create a sendmail script that looks for and > eats the "--" argument, then launches exim with the new command line. Kludgy solution. :( > Another would be to patch Mutt to not generate the argument. Preferable...that's why I'm here. :) > I found it on or near line 1663 of sendlib.c: > args = add_option (args, &argslen, &argsmax, "--"); > Comment it out, I suppose. I found the same line, but from context I seemed to think it was related to MIME separators. I'll give it a whirl. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Fix for Exim!
Thanks to David DeSimone. He was indeed correct about the line in question in the source that caused exim to bomb out. In Mutt 0.95.6 in sendlib.c comment out line 1670 which reads: args = add_args (args, &argslen, &argsmax, "--"); I wish I would have gone with my first instinct and just done that, but a big thanks to David for confirming my suspicions. :) This affected exim 1.62 (slightly old), but may affect other versions. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Exim vs. Mutt (Round 1)
> This thread's got me interested. I've been using exim with mutt since, > oh, mutt 0.8something, at least. (I switched to both at the same time.) > I've never had a problem. Regarding "--": > > > So it doesn't appear to be a "mutt problem" or an "exim problem", but > an "unusual behavior at one site" problem. :-) Maybe exim 1.62 is wonky? It was the first install I had personally done of it, and it's on my home machine, and I never bothered updating it. I've updated redhat from 4.1 to 5.2 since then...maybe library incompatabilities? Wouldn't be the first time libc upgrades broke something. I have 1.82 or so on 2 other linux machines (also running rh 5.1) that started out with that version of exim and the OS. I'll try it there and see if it works. If it does, I'll try updating my home version. If it's broken, I'll report back and see what options you may have used that I may not have. I did a pretty vanilla install of both though... mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: archiving mailboxes each month
On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:35:20PM -0230, Chris Gushue wrote: > Is there a way to archive mailboxes at the beginning of every month (or > some other period) like Pine does? Just after a couple weeks, my > Any solution would be great, not necessarily a mutt-specific one Try logrotate. I don't know about Debian, but it comes with Red Hat. You can set it to rotate any logs you want, configured individually by different rules. Should fix you up quite nicely. Check your favourite debian resource site or barring that, sunsite.unc.edu. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
urlview ???
I hate to ask, but I just got into mutt last Friday, already upgraded to .7i, fixed the problem with my old version of exim, and now only seem to have one problem: The ftp url on mutt's page to `urlview` is broken. nonexistent host. Can someone point me at the current "approved" home for urlview, please? :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: urlview ???
On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 09:14:55AM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: > ftp://ftp.guug.de/pub/mutt/contrib/urlview-0.7.tar.gz Jeremy actually got me within 5min, although he forgot /pub/mutt ...but I'm not an idiot, and it was late. :) The more important thing would be to update the web page referencing ftp.cs.hmc.edu. Got urlview now, and it's great...thanks! Thanks, both of you. Incidentally...as an ELM user of 10 years, and a Mutt user of five days, I've GOT to say, this kicks serious butt. Just discovered the "mailboxes" command tonight as well, which makes procmail even more of a joy to work with! I particularly like the sort by reverse-threads as well. :) I didn't get in early in development as I did with slrn, but I'm glad I was recommended this great software and got with it! Thanks again! mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: urlview ???
On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 02:53:40AM -0500, Jeremy Blosser wrote: > It's wrong in the manual, not the web site per se. I sent in a patch for > it a month or two ago, here it is again. Uh HUH!...That's what I get for RTFMing! :) *grin* -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Mixed sort? :)
*hopeful look* I love the threading...but I like my folders presented most-recent-first. So...I'm using reverse-threads. However...What I'd -really- like is what reverse-threads gives me, except where there's a thread, have it going DOWN, not up. I know this seems contradictory, but it's really not...I just want everything sorted in reverse-date but I want threading going down, not up. Can do? ...or Hopeless Task? TIA... mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
-Z failures
Been having problems with 0.95.7i. I discovered -Z last night...after defining all my mailboxes from procmail, plus ! to start with. NowI could see it saying that /var/spool/mail/fairlite had no new mail...maybe irc does something when it checks my mailbox. BUT... -Z should -not- tell me there's no new mail in any of my mailboxes when I have two freshly generated mailboxes with a new message each in them, should it? Or does the fact that I have them removed when the last message is deleted (and therefore the creation occurs on the first message being put in) alter the way -Z works? Because -nothing- else is looking at them...just procmail writing in deliveries. Comments, advice? I love the feature, I just wish it wasn't being flaky on me as it seems to be...it's not just the -Z part either...the status line doesn't do the Inc:# either, even though there's blatantly a message arrived. I'm thinking something is throwing time calculation, but what, if nothing is looking at the folders? Only thing I can think of is that they're created with the first message, and the only time it worked was when I had subsequent messages? Again, comments and advice appreciated. mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: -Z failures
On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 04:18:17PM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: > On 1999-08-19 09:29:03 -0400, Fairlight wrote: > > > NowI could see it saying that /var/spool/mail/fairlite had no > > new mail...maybe irc does something when it checks my mailbox. > > BUT... -Z should -not- tell me there's no new mail in any of my > > mailboxes when I have two freshly generated mailboxes with a new > > message each in them, should it? > > This is a known limitation of the way how mutt's new mail detection > algorithm works. I'd suggest you set save_empty for your incoming > mail folders. I'll probably do that, now that -Z will easily let me check for new mail. Thanks for clarifying the matter. If I could be so bold, I -think- I have an algorithm that, if implimented, would fix the limitations: .muttncrc - Mutt New Check rc mailboxname datestamp size mailboxname datestamp size ...etc algorithm - 1) If new mailbox determined from .muttrc, add to .muttncrc, current timestamp. if size > 0 bytes, new mail in mailbox, set size in file if 0 bytes or nonexistent, set size 0 in file 2) If entry in .muttncrc already, check timestamp against mailbox if same, no new mail if newer, procede to size check if larger, new mail present if smaller, no new mail present (both cases), set new size and timestamp 3) Retain current during-run algorithm ideally, your algorithm works fine, and timestamps/sizes should be set during deletion and arrival phases, because relying strictly on startup-state data could potentially be inaccurate. this could be done in memory potentially to minimize overhead, although I've noticed mutt not complain about multiple instances running on the same folder, so theoretically either a lock condition should persist or the timestamp/size should be written at each change in condition. The current algorithm in place obviously relies strictly on data from point of binary start. What appears to be needed to get around these limitations is the equivalent of a .newsrc, but for time and size, to maintain states between runs. I -think- this would work. I realize this is probably best on the developers' list, but I'm not really up to becoming a real developer on it...it's just an idea I'm tossing out. Even with the limitation if it's not addressed, it still kicks elm's arse. :) Thanks! mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Mixed sort? :)
On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 03:04:56PM +0200, Jan Peter Hecking wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 08:30:32AM -0400, Fairlight wrote: > > I love the threading...but I like my folders presented most-recent-first. > > So...I'm using reverse-threads. > > > > However...What I'd -really- like is what reverse-threads gives me, except > > where there's a thread, have it going DOWN, not up. > > I think this is what you want: > > :set sort=threads > :set sort_aux=reverse-last-date-sent That works perfectly, THANK YOU! > Although I'm not sure, why one has to use the "last" prefix here. > Shouldn't :set sort_aux=reverse-date-sent be enough? Dunno...relatively new to this...if it works, don't knock it? :) Thanks a billion! mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Suggestion Re: Threads
Just a quick comment/question re: threads in mutt I'm rather a bit used to slrn, I guess, but I noticed after going through the help screen 5 times that you can collapse a thread, or collapse ALL threads, but there is no "expand-all-threads" or "expand-thread" short of going to each thread and opening the first message present. Even then, you wouldn't necessarily know it was a thread unless you had "New" messages under the thread, not yet unread (I noted the "n" in the status fields for messages with new messages in the subthreads). Is there any plan to impliment an "uncollapse" feature, or at the very least make it obvious that a message represents a collapsed thread and not just a single message even if they've all been read? mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Suggestion Re: Threads
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 03:56:16AM -0500, Jeremy Blosser wrote: > Fairlight [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > I'm rather a bit used to slrn, I guess, but I noticed after going through > > the help screen 5 times that you can collapse a thread, or collapse ALL > > threads, but there is no "expand-all-threads" or "expand-thread" short of > > collapse-all and collapse-thread are actually toggles -- the names are > sort of misnomers. You know, after I sent that, I wondered if, like slrn, they might be toggles, but didn't have any mail left to check with, having just read it all, and also figured the help screen didn't mention toggle, so just as well to have asked. I'd just say change the help screen, then? :) > > > going to each thread and opening the first message present. Even then, you > > wouldn't necessarily know it was a thread unless you had "New" messages > > under the thread, not yet unread (I noted the "n" in the status fields for > > messages with new messages in the subthreads). > > You can use %M in the index_format to show the number of messages in a > collpased thread. You can use something like %?M?+& to get just a + sign > in your index listing for collapsed threads. See the help for index_format > for more info. Having just gotten into it a week ago, I'm reluctant to twiddle with that much of its formatting that quickly, but I'll retain this for when I feel more comfy with it. I'm still getting used to "native mode"...ie., default configuration. Thanks for the tip...I'll look it up now, and play later. :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Suggestion Re: Threads
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 04:40:27AM -0500, Jeremy Blosser wrote: > V collapse-allcollapse/uncollapse all threads > v collapse-thread collapse/uncollapse current thread No, actually now that I look at it again, I see uncollapse. Problem was, I was looking for a hook name in column 2 instead of at the long definitions. As they say (which I hate), "my bad"... I prefer, "I am in error," having been taught by HAL 9000 for much of my life. :) > Do you see something else? No, I'm just braindead? :) > With the default configuration you can also tell if it's a thread because > the index numbers of the messages skip the hidden ones, eg: True enough, but too subtle. I took you up on your advice on the %M hack and I had (as I've sent you in private) problems with the %?M?+& syntax, which left me with an empty index, collapsed OR expanded. I prefixed my index_format with: %?M?[%M]? ...and it seems to work nicely. I'd like a small explanation as to the syntax...I was guessing at functionality, since man 3 printf didn't have ?xxx?xxx& or ? syntax... Hasn't broken anything, and works like I figured it would by trial & error. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Suggestion Re: Threads
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 05:09:51AM -0500, Jeremy Blosser wrote: > Jeremy Blosser [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > > > You can use %M in the index_format to show the number of messages in a > > > > collpased thread. You can use something like %?M?+& to get just a + sign > > > > in your index listing for collapsed threads. See the help for index_format > > > > for more info. > > That should have been ?M?+& ? What's the "& " for? m-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Suggestion Re: Threads
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 05:33:15AM -0500, Jeremy Blosser wrote: > ARGH. It really should have been %?M?+& ? > % starts the sequence > ? starts the 'if' > M is the regular % token to use for the condition > ? prefaces the non-zero part > + is what to print if the condition (%M) is non-zero > & prefaces the zero part > (space) is what to print if the condition is zero > ? ends the sequence > > Without the "& " part, it doesn't leave a space if it doesn't print the +, > which makes the alignment of the columns get off. Ahhh...and I had been using my original trial-and-error attempt without "&" so yes, the columns shifted, although ALL of them shifted, at least all in the thread...dunno if it would shift the entire mailbox if you had more than one thread. I finally settled on a prefix to index_format of: "%?M?[%2M]&?" ...and am QUITE happy with it. Dang, you guys have a lot of great functionality in this. I'm sufficiently impressed! Thanks for the time and effort, esp. since I keep looking at the wrong docs or wrong spots in the docs. I'll consult both the manual AND the help screen from now on. :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Colouring of email addresses in headers
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 12:33:37AM +0100, Alisdair McDiarmid wrote: > I use vim and mutt together (as it should be :) and I'm trying to > configure them to both have the same syntax colouring display. > > I like vim's standard colours for email mode - yellow for all > headers except email addresses and the Subject header, which are > blue. However, if I use: Question for ya first...how do you get vim's "standard colours for email mode" ...I guess how do you get vim's email mode? :) > color header brightblue black [\-\.+_a-zA-Z0-9]+@[\-\.a-zA-Z0-9]+ > in my muttrc file, the whole header line is coloured blue, when > all I want coloured is the email address. Hmmm...although I'd think your regexp would work fine, have you tried: color header brightblue black <.*@.*> ??? :) It would highlight the braces as well, but I'm not the king of regexp's so maybe there's a way to "sed" out the offending <>'s from that particular regexp if it's a problem. Or, if you wanted the WHOLE address, including the text part, you could do: " .*>" ...although that leaves the leading space in there as well. sed would be so handy in these cases. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: [0.95.7i bug] reply
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 05:09:14PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > When I do a reply with Mutt 0.95.7i, if the subject starts with "Re: t", > the "t" is removed from the subject. Out of curiosity, have you tried a test condition to yourself that meets those criterion and checked the actual headers that come back? Or is this just from what you see on-screen? I'm wondering if it's a curses/SLang bug...perhaps ^L would clarify as well? It seems more likely to be a screen-control bug than an actual data corruption, especially depending on which OS you're running it on. Just some thoughts... mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Opinions on a mail filter?
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 11:10:38AM -0400, Mark E. Drummond wrote: > I would like to change my setup a bit so that I have say ~/Mail/ which > would contain Maildir style mailboxes under it like so: > ~/Mail/inbox > ~/Mail/mutt > ~/Mail/qmail > So everything is set up except for the mail filter and I am wondering > which I should use. I have some experience with procmail but have not > managed to get it to work with qmail. Is there a filter that I can stick > in the pipe that will deliver to Maildir style folders? Maildir is the one where each message is in a separate unique file inside the "directory" which is the folder, no? Should be easy with procmail. You just need to do a variable substitution from an execution at the top of the .procmailrc to a small script of your choice that assembles a random filename from the PID ($$ in most shells) and the mm-dd-hh-mm of the `date` command and stick them together like: $$-mm-dd-hh-mm So say you have a script "maildirdate" in procmail's path somewhere, you'd do: fixedfile=`maildirdate` Then when you save out to your mailing lists, you could use the variable as the last part of the filename in your specific recipes: /home/mark/Mail/mutt/$fixedfile I -think- that works the way you want it, maintaining procmail usage for you. :) I glanced over the procmailrc man page quickly and it looks like it's acceptable. (another) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Opinions on a mail filter?
> If I were going to do this, I'd probably put the $$ at the end so that > it would sort well :-) But you don't even have to do that much... Point taken...although I figured that mutt would sort by headers, not filename... > Instead, just tell procmail to put it there; use a destination folder > that looks like > > /home/mark/Mail/mutt/. > > to tell procmail to increment its counter and drop the new message in > place. Gah! Foiled again! I remember that from like the first time I read the .procmailrc page AFTER you mention it. Another example of an overcomplicated answer to an undercomplicated problem. :) I'll try and remember that one for future reference... mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Colouring of email addresses in headers
> About that, I'd like to know if someone has a way to colorize the whole > line with a background. Sounds like the ncurses way of doing things. :( I tried colours with a chat client once, and it performed the same way. The answer turned out to be having to draw the entire region with spaces in the colour you wanted FIRST, and THEN go back and redraw what you wanted in other colours. Needless to say, it did little to show off the screen optimization of curses. : > I think there's an ANSI code to fill the line till her end. I haven't heard of one, but that means little. :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
0.97.7i Possible "mailboxes" bug?
Hullo... I've been wondering about something... In my .muttrc, I have about 8 mailboxes lines (lots of procmailing). The first is this: mailboxes ! ~/folders/fc.mail.info ~/folders/fc.mail.fairlite When I do the TAB thing in changing folders, my spool mailbox shows up, etc. When I'm actually IN another folder in mutt, and new mail arrives, I actually get notified, and C will automatically show me my spool directory already entered, I hit return, I'm there. The PROBLEM...(I think) ...is that when I do a `mutt -Z` and there is mail in BOTH my spool mailbox, and one of the other mailboxes, it does not go to the spool mailbox. It doesn't go there first, and it doesn't want to automatically cycle there either. Just the other mailboxes defined. Never the spool. And only on startup with -Z apparently. If I send myself mail after it's started while I'm in another folder, I get notified of new mail in the spool file and C will want to take me right there. I would think since I have ! defined as the first mailbox, and that since it shows up in the TAB listing of "mailboxes" implying that it's taken as such, it should be the FIRST place it would look. Bug? Known issue? Faulty reasoning? Fixable? TIA... mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
semi-mutt help? :)
Well, the 7th day since I hooked up with mutt, and I tackled most of the manual tonight and set up a lot of things I hadn't yet. One of those was colours. I finally have a cool colour scheme that works well. There's just one small part that bothers me: when I go to reply/forward, vi (actually vim) doesn't support those colour arrangements. Anyone know how to get vim to behave like mutt, color-wise? mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
autoedit/edit-headers?
In the manual, autoedit says it will skip the "send-menu" if set when replying. I tried setting it an noticed no difference UNLESS I also had edit_headers set as well. The manual indicates there would be extra skipping of questions if edit_headers was set as well, but autoedit by itself does nothing discernable. Is this an outdated part of the manual, or is there something I'm missing here? When I go to reply, what is the "send-menu" ??? The part with all the headers and attachments and such? I only get that after editing my message, not before. I'm curious just what autoedit is supposed to skip. Been over the manual all night and can't figure it out. TIA... mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: semi-mutt help? :)
On Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 06:18:31AM -0700, Leiden, Soren spewed forth: > VIM has some 150+ color syntax highlighting schemes-- attached is a fairly > basic .vimrc file with syntax higlighting enabled... Looked over that file...I see the syntax on line...but where are the colours actually set That appears to be my problem...I tried the syntax on thing that another person posted, and I got basically all bright white text for everything that should have been colour, and regular text where it should have been regular. I'm afraid I'm an old emacs user, and got to know vi, but have paid very very little attention to vim's extensions since it was introduced to linux. Could you do me a favour and digress about where the colours are actually set? :) TERM=linux ...I'm running on the consoles. mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
hook dilemma
I'm using the following: mbox-hook .* =received save-hook .* =received Basically, I didn't understand till I just re-read it that this is message-based, not folder based. What I -want- is any time I quit or change folders, for it to save out the mail to =received (I have that right there) UNLESS (and this is the part I don't have!) I'm in certain folders. It has nothing to do with messages, it has to do with folders. I think I may be using the wrong tool for the wrong job. Suggestions are welcome though! I'm guessing I need to make use of folder-hook for the specific folders that I want this behaviour removed for, and let my default folder-hooks set it back to this behaviour. However, how do you "remove" a mbox-hook or save-hook? Basic scenario... mutt -f folders/funnies (which has about 900+ jokes in it from over the years) ... I don't want to automatically even be asked if I want to dump that to =received. But I do in almost every other case. So I want the save and mbox hooks I have defined for default, but for this folder, I want to remove them... How can I do this...or is it possible? Man, I feel like a pain...a week of questions here and there. Sorry folks...but thanks for helping. I've got it 99.99% the way I want it now... :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: pgp won't work for me
On Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 10:35:06PM +0200, Martin Maciaszek spewed forth: > I'm using mutt 0.95.7 with pgp 6.51 (but the problem also > appeared with pgp 2.6.3). > When I try to sing and/or encrypt a message mutt just wait > forever for pgp to finish. My /tmp fills slowly until it's full. > This is what I've found with ps: > > fastjack 1978 0.0 0.6 1692 780 ttyp3S22:25 0:00 sh > -c PGPPASSFD=0; export PGPPASSFD; cat - '/tmp/mutt-nexus-1972-4' > | 'yes' +language=en +pubring='/home/fastjack/.pgp/pubring.pgp' > +secring='/home/fastjack/.pgp/secring.pgp' +verbose=0 > +encrypttoself +batchmode -aefts -u 0x757AA05D 0x306BA1EA73C97219 > fastjack 1980 14.6 0.2 1080 368 ttyp3R22:25 0:14 > yes +language=en +pubring=/home/fastjack/.pgp/pubring.pgp > +secring=/home/fastjack/.pgp/secring.pgp +verbose=0 > +encrypttoself +batchmode -aefts -u 0x757AA05D 0x306BA1EA73C97219 Based on the symptoms and the process listing, I'd say your problem is the `yes` command. Try `yes 1` once from the commandline and see why I say that. Where the `yes` is coming from unless you configured it that way, I have no idea...my pgp 2.6.3 worked out of the box with 0.95.[6|7]i...didn't even have to specify my keyring locations. That's one of the things I've wondered about...I see all this talk about PGP configuration, yet mine just "works" ...flawlessly and with no configuration. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Pixmap background in an xterm and mutt
On Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 04:31:03PM +, Matthew Cordes spewed forth: > Hello all. Mutt seems to draw its own background (black). How might I > let it simply write on top of the pixmap my terminal normally uses. I've > already tried removing all color entries from my muttrc and the > background is still back. If this is not possible what color attribute > do i use to change the background to white? > > Thanks > > -matt I don't -know- if it's possible, but it seems unlikely based on the colour discussions I've seen so far. To set the background to white, I think the manual said use the default object for a transparent colour. My version (compiled against SLang) doesn't seem to recognize that keyword at all. You could always specify every object and specify the background as white for every one of them. :) :) :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Pixmap background in an xterm and mutt
On Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 04:40:23PM -0500, Jeremy Blosser spewed forth: > Fairlight [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > ... I think the manual said use the default > > object for a transparent colour. My version (compiled against SLang) > > doesn't seem to recognize that keyword at all. > > Acc. to the manual: > "If Mutt is linked against the S-Lang library, you also need to set the > COLORFGBG environment variable to the default colors of your terminal for > this to work; for example (for Bourne-like shells): > > set COLORFGBG="green;black" > export COLORFGBG Yes, Jeremy, I realize that, and it's in place. I have (I use tcsh): setenv COLORFGBG "brightyellow;blue" The problem is, that strictly affects the top menu bar. The way I read the original post, he seemed to want the entire screen white. COLORFGBG does not accomplish that task, even if I remove "color normal white black"...the body of my email is still white on black. So far as I can tell, it strictly applies to the top menu bar, which is why I didn't list that as a solution. I was simply saying I couldn't vouch for "default"'s behaviour, since it isn't recognized if you link with SLang. If the COLORFGBG can do more than what it is, I'd like to know how. :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Pixmap background in an xterm and mutt
On Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 05:31:37PM -0500, Jeremy Blosser spewed forth: > No. His goal was to have transparent backgrounds if possible; if not, then > a white background. I told him how to get a transparent background. I've > got COLORFGBG="default;default", using S-Lang, and it works fine to have a > pixmap background. I've no real idea how S-Lang works, I just know this is > what works for me, and I got it from some FAQ somewhere. Argh. It must be Braindead Weekend for me. Or week...or month...possibly even year. I was using default as an OBJECT, not a colour. I had in my config: color default brightyellow;blue I think I was doing that to try and achieve what I -wanted-, which was that colour scheme as the default everwhere that I didn't have something else specified...not just as a "don't colour anything where not specified". Two entirely different behaviours. I misunderstood "transparent"'s meaning in the manual, basically, and was shooting for an slrn-ish appearance. The fact that "default" is listed under the colours and not objects should have given it away, but it was about 6am when I worked on that (read: up 21hrs). I completely misunderstood what I was reading. I really deserve a good LARTing for that...or at least a swipe with the Clue Hammer[tm]. > It certainly is recognized. Do you perhaps have an old version of either > S-Lang or Mutt? slang-devel-0.99.38-8 mutt 0.95.7i The problem, I suspect, is having put it in as an object, not a colour. I now understand why it didn't parse correctly. Duh. :( Now that I feel like a -complete- idiot... :) I'll try to refrain from giving advice unless I know what I'm doing. Guess I'm enthusiastic to give back to others for the help I received in the last week. Thanks, all! *dons dunce cap* mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: autoedit/edit-headers?
On Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 12:26:17PM -0500, David DeSimone spewed forth: > Fairlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Is this an outdated part of the manual, or is there something I'm > > missing here? When I go to reply, what is the "send-menu" ??? The > > part with all the headers and attachments and such? I only get that > > after editing my message, not before. A public thanks for clarifying the behaviour and perceived manual contradictions. Glad I wasn't hallucinating. :) Now if someone could just help me out with UNsetting hooks from a few days ago...still haven't found an answer... :) Thanks again! mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Hooks Again (was Re: autoedit/edit-headers?)
On Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 01:38:16PM -0500, David DeSimone spewed forth: > Fairlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Now if someone could just help me out with UNsetting hooks from a few > > days ago...still haven't found an answer... :) > > That's because there isn't one. There is no way to remove a hook. > > However, I haven't really seen a case where a hook needed to be removed. > Usually what you do is to specify a very general hook first in your > list. This hook will set default behavior that you desire. Then, later > hooks can specify more specific behavior for specific cases. Since the > default hook will apply first, specific hooks will override it when > necessary. When those conditions no longer apply, the default hook will > once again be the one that applies. Okay, perhaps you can help me out here (or someone can)... Basically, I want save-hook and mbox-hook to work like this: 1) I want to define a list of folders (whether in variables, or by actual hook lines...whatever) that I want NOT to exhibit the default behaviour. 2) I want all folders not in this list to exhibit the default behaviour. 3) However, I want the folders listed to NOT exhibit the default behaviour. Basically, I want all read messages to go to =received when quitting or changing folders. But NOT when I'm in certain folders (like /home/fairlite/folders/funnies, which has 900+ jokes from over the years), or when I'm already in =received...things like that. I want it except when I specify I don't want it. Is this possible? I suspect I need some form of folder-hook along with save-hook and mbox-hook, but even after going over the manual a few times, I can't quite work out the logic of it. I think it's just being new to the hooks thing. I shouldn't complain...it's already 500x more versatile than elm ever was, and I lived with that for 10 years. :) If someone has the exact solution to this, I'd love to hear it... :) :) :) TIA... mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Hooks Again (was Re: autoedit/edit-headers?)
On Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 02:11:22PM -0500, David DeSimone spewed forth: > Fairlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Basically, I want all read messages to go to =received when quitting or > > changing folders. But NOT when I'm in certain folders (like > > /home/fairlite/folders/funnies, which has 900+ jokes from over the years), > > or when I'm already in =received...things like that. > > Well, the automatic moving of messages to your received folder is > handled by the 'move' variable. > > You could just set it to 'ask-yes', and then you'll be asked when you > want it to happen. Or you can specify a list of folder-hooks that set > it to 'ask-yes' or 'yes' or 'no' according to the folder. > > folder-hook . 'set move=ask-yes' # Default > folder-hook funnies 'set move=no' > folder-hook otherfolder 'set move=ask-no' That sets up part of it...except what I'm -also- trying to do is get the place to save to set to =received as well...and those appear to be set by the save-hook and mbox-hook...that's a problem...unless you can combine them with what you have here? (I'm feeling braindead today...help me out here?) > You get the idea. The important thing to realize is that Mutt examines > ALL the folder-hooks, and runs ALL of them that match. It doesn't try > to pick the "best" match and only run that. It runs them all, if > possible. :) If that was true, wouldn't it match the "." default every time? mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Hooks Again (was Re: autoedit/edit-headers?)
On Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 03:40:20PM -0500, David DeSimone spewed forth: > Fairlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > what I'm -also- trying to do is get the place to save to set to > > =received as well... > > save-hook ~A > Would mbox-hook also be used the same way, then? Or basically my folder-hook statements per mailbox (ie., setting move=yes) negates the need for mbox-hook? I looked at the manual again and I think you need mbox-hook as well, do you not? And then set the folder hooks like you showed me... > > > It doesn't try to pick the "best" match and only run that. It runs > > > them all, if possible. :) > > > > If that was true, wouldn't it match the "." default every time? > > Yes, it will run it every time. > > It will *also* run the other hooks that match. Since they occur > *later*, they can *override* the settings. Got it yet??? :) Actually, that part I now get... "Order DOES Matter"...rather like directors in exim, or recipes in procmail (procmail is inverted, of course). That part makes sense... Thanks for puttin' up with me. :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Hooks...Done, but one problem.
Okay...here's my setup: mbox-hook .* =received save-hook ~A =received folder-hook . 'set move=ask-yes' folder-hook folders/funnies 'set move=no' folder-hook > 'set move=no' This does EXACTLY what I wanted all along (thanks, folks!!)...-except- there's a bug. :( Note my second folder-hook. The folder is actually ~/folders/funnies. Now...if I put 'funnies' as the expr, it works. If I put 'folders/funnies', it works. If I put '~/folders/funnies' (with or without quotes), it still asks me and doesn't trigger the hook. Bug? Known explanation? My objective was to match filenames exactly, since it's been pointed out it will try to execute as many as could match... I could have 20 different "funnies" folders. I could have 20 different "folders" directories...each containing a "funnies" folder. ...and could only want ONE excluded. So why won't it match on ~/folders/funnies ?? Other than that, it's everything I wanted...I just want to practice "safe hooking"... :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Hooks...Done, but one problem.
On Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 12:52:33AM +0200, Stefan `Sec` Zehl spewed forth: > On Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 06:29:07PM -0400, Fairlight wrote: > > > > So why won't it match on ~/folders/funnies ?? > > Maybe mutt doesn't expand ~ correctly ? Maybe try the full path (or > $HOME) instead? Nope...tried both and both still act under default folder-hook rules. Nice try...other ideas? mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Hooks...Done, but one problem.
On Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 10:33:01AM +0200, Stefan `Sec` Zehl spewed forth: > On Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 07:12:20PM -0400, Fairlight wrote: > > Nope...tried both and both still act under default folder-hook rules. > > Nice try...other ideas? > > I use > > folder-hook =Listen/mutt- "set strict_threads" > > Where '=' is short for $folder which is set to ~/Mail usually > > And that works for me. Heh...yeah...except I strictly use ~/Mail for "received" for historical reasons, and $folder is set to ~/Mail. ~/folders is where I have procmail put all its stuff. No, I don't know why I kept them separate outside of wanting things orderly, but it shouldn't pose a problem. Someone suggested: folder-hook \~/folders/funnies 'set move=no' ...I tried that and it ONLY works if you explicitly call the folder up with ~/folders/funnies. If you're in $HOME and call "folders/funnies" or are in ~/folders and call up "funnies" it won't work. The latter I would expect, but the former should work, since the status line displays it as ~/folders/funnies. I also disturbingly found out that "funnies" will match shawn-iglou-funnies ...which isn't good. And since I just discovered that if you're in ~/folders and call mutt -f funnies that it won't match folders/funnies, that means I need to match against only "funnies" ...I tried ^funnies$ out of desperation, but it doesn't work. How do you limit the pattern to the -exact- filename? mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Hooks...Done, but one problem.
On Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 11:20:38AM -0400, David Thorburn-Gundlach spewed forth: > Mark, et al -- > > As far as matching an exact folder name, I know what you mean but > don't have an answer :-)/2 Since I really -don't- have 20 folders named "funnies" but have "funnies" and "shawn-iglou-funnies" and such, I did this: folder-hook funnies 'set move=no' folder-hook shawn-iglou-funnies 'set move=ask-yes' ...using the "order matters" logic that was pointed out yesterday. That works in this situation. But if you actually had identical filenames in different trees, it would be a problem. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Look at aliases?
On Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 08:25:13AM -0700, Azeem Shahjahan Jiva spewed forth: > Is there a way to be able to view and pick my mail aliases within mutt? I > have several dozen, and its annoying to quit from mutt, and cat my mail_aliases > file. When in the To:, Cc:, or Bcc: fields either on the bottom or on the compose menu, hit . :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Re: edit_hdrs and hooks (was Re: autoedit/edit-headers?)
On Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 07:34:11PM +0200, Renaud Colinet wrote: > on Aug 24, Jeremy Blosser wrote: > > > > Have you tried 'unset autoedit' with 'set edit_hdrs'? The manual is a bit > > confusing here. I tried the above combination and didn't really at all get > > what I expected, but I was pleased with the results: I get prompted for > > the To:, Cc:, and Subject:, but then have full headers available to edit > > when I get dumped into the editor, which to me is the main benefit of > > edit_hdrs. And my send-hooks work. > > > And how do you get the Cc: prompt? I only get To: and Subject: > Not that i really need it, just curious. set askcc=yes m-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: [ANNOUNCE] mutt-1.0pre1i RPMs
On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 12:20:30PM +0200, Peter van Dijk thus spoke: > ftp.replay.com is hosted in The Netherlands, which means it can indeed have > all kinds of crypto stuff. It's where I go when I need ssh stuff :) There is no actual crypto shipped in mutt, so the only "problem" is RH being finicky about "i" versions on their site, from what I can see. :/ mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: [ANNOUNCE] mutt-1.0pre1i RPMs
On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 03:00:04PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt thus spoke: > On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 08:40:42AM -0400, Fairlight wrote: > > > There is no actual crypto shipped in mutt, so the only "problem" is RH > > being finicky about "i" versions on their site, from what I can see. :/ > > Nope. Even the hooks for PGP/strong crypto are illegal to export. Yet they have no problem letting people being able to run down to the local gun store and buying a 30-30 rifle and 1000 rounds, or the local corner and a vial of crack. But oh...that big scary crypto...wow...watch out! *extreme eye rolling* I wish they'd give more than lip service to weakening ITAR with regards to crypto. Banning hooks...how patently absurd. What's even funnier is that you can import it, not modify it, but not export it back out again... Is that idiotic, or what? Then, this IS the American government we're talking about...and I -live- here...hell, I'm embarrassed to be associated with this country. Anyone wanna donate towards me moving to England or some other civilized country? :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
configurable?
Gee, and you call mutt configurable? :) :) *chuckle* Just kidding, but one question... Seriously...there's one thing that I -can't- seem to find to reconfigure, ant that's the "-- Forwarded message by" ...or however it reads, when you forward a message. You can change the Subject header's behaviour when forwarding, but I don't see anywhere to change that particular line in the actual email. I note it's statically compiled into the kernel...but thought there might be another way to change it from .muttrc besides recompiling a version for everyone... :) Is there a hidden/undocumented feature for this, or will it be added later? 0.95.7i here. I don't tend to move to "pre" versions, if linux kernels are any indication. :) :) Not for a long time now, anyway. So I don't have 1.0-pre-1 or whatnot yet, and won't unless this is in it. :) *grin* mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: configurable?
On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 07:07:11PM +0200, Gero Treuner thus spoke: > Hi! > > On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 11:48:34AM -0400, Fairlight wrote: > > Seriously...there's one thing that I -can't- seem to find to reconfigure, > > ant that's the "-- Forwarded message by" ...or however it reads, when you > > forward a message. > > You can configure it within your editor by substituting it with > something else, which is best for things regarding messages bodies IMHO. *smirk* I figured since everything else was configurable, this might be too... *shrug* > > > see anywhere to change that particular line in the actual email. I note > > it's statically compiled into the kernel...but thought there might be > > :-) Yes, alternatively you can change > /usr/src/linux/drivers/mail/MUA/forward.c if you use Linux and like it ... ACK s/kernel/binary/ ...I had 5 people with kernel problems this morning...it's stuck on the brain. (good one...good one!) :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: [OT] U.S. Crypto-Export Laws (was: [ANNOUNCE] mutt-1.0pre1i RPMs)
On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 05:49:59PM -0400, Pete Toscano thus spoke: > well, at the risk of getting a little too political, all you americans > on this list who feel that these encryption laws are inane should check > out this site: http://www.computerprivacy.com/. i question the > effectiveness of contacting legislators at all, but it's worth a shot. There's also www.defendyourprivacy.com that addresses an even broader range of issues. There are no shortage of lobbying groups...the problem is, they're all worthless when the public-at-large doesn't 1) know anything about encryption (or much less -real- computing, for that matter), and 2) is apathetic to anything that doesn't affect their wallets. And if the public is bad, the actual legislators are even worse, prone to near-ignorance and knee-jerk legislation borne of fear of the unknown or rumoured. (The CDA clauses struck down were a good example.) When we're not allowed to lock the doors to our cars and homes and are subject to raids at 1am, someone -might- get alarmed and vote against someone in charge...maybe. Of course, by then it'll be too late...IMHO it's already too late. But yeah...this is getting political. Sorry for raising the question...I should have just let Telsa's post alone (although I'm slightly less ignorant now, for having questioned it). Sorry to have troubled the rest of you with the off-topic-ness of it all. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Header Lengths?!?!
I just heard of a problem from someone who just started using mutt that concerns me. Apparently References: headers are being generated to >254 characters, and some mailing list MTA's are bouncing/rejecting the messages because the headers are considered fried. 1) Is that an RFC limit, or an MTA shortfall? 2) If it's an RFC limit, is it possible my friend has an older version of mutt and it was fixed later? 3) Is this a problem in 0.95.7i (put out last week, and what I'm using) I'd very much like to NOT encounter these problems, so I'm asking before it happens to me. mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: color-support is gone
On Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 10:51:25AM -0700, esoR ocsirF cogitated: > On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 12:39:02AM +0200, Oliver Immich wrote: > > > > > > Hello ´Mutters´, > > > > a few days ago I started using mutt and I am very very happy with it. > > Everything I need or I have discovered so far is working well - except of > > color-support which makes mutt even easier to use. I had colors with 0.95.4us, > > but since then they´re gone. > > I installed the 1.0pre1i rpms on my RH 5.2 today. Everything´s fine but >color-support. > > The rc-file is correct (I even used the ´old´ one without success). > > > > So, if anybody have a clue - please tell me... > > > > Just for the fun of it ;-) > > I am using mutt 1.0pre1i installedfrom a .deb onto debians unstable > and the color works fine. Perhaps it is not mutt that is a problem but > your distribution? Well THAT was uncalled for. :/ Although I agree that mutt is likely not the problem...I'm running RH 5.2 and colour works fine in 0.95.6i and 0.95.7i. I installed from source/tarball though, not the RPMs. Check your term type with printenv, and check mutt -v and see if it's listed as +HAVE_COLOR. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
BUG: 0.95.7i and possibly later.
I ran into an indexing bug that I think may need fixing... Let me explain the circumstances: 1) My folder variable is set to ~/Mail 2) save-hook and mbox-hook both point to =received 3) I had a folder-hook > 'set move=no' 4) I called mutt -f Mail/received (from $HOME) 5) I went to change folders and was presented with the question to move or not, despite the hook...obviously it did not match against > even though ~/Mail/received is >. No biggie...BUT...I answered "yes"... 6) Mutt then re-read the mailbox and presented every message twice. I assumed that it had rewritten/appended all the messages to received. The index DEFINITELY had every message twice...count on status line was doubled. 7) I went out of mutt, somewhat irritated with my stupidity, and changed my .muttrc to add extra folder-hooks for every possible name for =received so that I wouldn't do this again. :) 8) BUG: I re-called mutt as in step #4, and there was only one of each message present...the duplicates were strictly in the indexing, and the received folder contains only one of each message. (I had been meaning to go clean up the mess I made...that I didn't really make.) So...the bug is between #6 and #8. Be careful...I don't know what would have happened had I -not- quit and just deleted every other duplicate and then re-saved out...might have lost everything. I sure as hell don't want anyone to find out. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: BUG: 0.95.7i and possibly later.
On Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 09:09:32PM +0200, Thomas Roessler cogitated: > On 1999-08-31 14:32:44 -0400, Fairlight wrote: > > > 6) Mutt then re-read the mailbox and presented every message twice. > > I assumed that it had rewritten/appended all the messages to > > received. The index DEFINITELY had every message twice...count on > > status line was doubled. > > Funny. What kind of folder were you using for =received? mbox. Anything else I can provide (including my .muttrc), let me know... I'm actually -happy- it didn't double every message for real...that would have been a painful lesson. But there was definitely a glitch in the index redisplay. Oddly enough, one of the duplicates was sorted out of order as well...by two days. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: reading mail while composing
On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 05:53:28PM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS cogitated: > I'm trying mutt after having used rmail in Emacs and various other > MUAs in the past. One thing I find I keep wanting to do is consult > other e-mails while composing an e-mail. Is there a neat way of doing > this, apart from postponing the e-mail, or running another mutt in > another xterm for browsing purposes (assuming that file locking will > protect me from accidents)? Actually, you bring up a good point on file locking...I installed under linux from tarball and compiled it --with-flock --without-fcntl ...and I can run 2 mutt sessions on the same mailbox and have one alter it, and then when you go back to the other, it says it's been modified. Something seem incorrect about the locking there? kernel 2.0.36. mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: reading mail while composing
On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 12:30:20PM -0500, David DeSimone cogitated: > Fairlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Actually, you bring up a good point on file locking...I installed > > under linux from tarball and compiled it --with-flock --without-fcntl > > ...and I can run 2 mutt sessions on the same mailbox and have one > > alter it, and then when you go back to the other, it says it's been > > modified. Something seem incorrect about the locking there? > > You modified the folder in one Mutt, and the other Mutt noticed this, > and told you about it. Why is that a problem? > > Locking only occurs when the folder is first opened, and when it is > being written. Mutt does not leave the folder locked for the entire > time that you were reading mail; that would prevent new mail from being > delivered. I guess I figured it would work somewhat differently...perhaps because of the way elm (which I used for 10 years and just dropped for mutt) handled at least your main spool folder, and would complain to you if /tmp/mbox.fairlite was present and you tried firing up a new session, etc. Your delivery example does show the flaw in my logic, especially keeping in mind WHY elm used /tmp/mbox.fairlite :) And that was only on the main spool. At least mutt is polite and just informs you of a change, and doesn't bail on a "corrupt" mailbox. :) :) For what it's worth, I did talk to someone else about this and they said if you open, say: 1) mutt -f folders/blip 2) mutt -f folders/blip 3) mutt -f folders/blip And if you make any changes, if you close 3 and then 2, and then 1, you're fine, and notified appropriately, etc. But if you close 1 first, 2 and 3 will core dump. At least that was my understanding, and I haven't seen this exhibition of behaviour personally. I thought I'd mention it while we're on a similar topic. I'm actually more worried about the double-message index display but I caught the other day. :) Thanks for straightening out the locking deal for me. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: handling mailing lists: problem
On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 02:40:32PM +0200, Martin Schröder blurted: > On 1999-09-03 13:44:56 +0100, Axel Tillequin wrote: > > I'd like Mutt to SEPARATE AUTOMATICALLY the personal and the mutt-users > > mails founded in > > /var/spool/tillequi ! > > mutt does not do this; use filtering software like procmail. Agreed. Here's my mutt-users recipe: :0: * ^(To|Cc):.*(mutt-users@|@mutt.org) folders/mutt Note that I'm -only- on mutt-users, so the second logical OR would change if you were on more than one. And I've only noticed one "alias" for the list so far that is to [EMAIL PROTECTED], if I analyzed the headers decently, I could probably find a common-denomenator to all, both direct and aliases. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Lynx-like movements
On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 08:10:38PM +0200, Niels Rasmussen blurted: > Hi all > > I wonder ... Is subject possible and if it is, > how would I be able to do so ?? Extensive use of the 'bind' function in .muttrc would be the way to accomplish this. You could emulate the movements of a Boeing 747 if the functionality was similar. :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
charsets??
On Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 10:15:21AM +0200, J Horacio MG blurted: > http://www.mutt.org is «the mother of all sites» ... well, as far as > mutt goes. There should be a link (in user's pages? or download?) to > where the .rpm's are located. Okay, this has been bugging me for a bit. I've been seeing stray graphics characters in other people's emails on the mutt list for a bit now. I just took the time to analyze the one above. It was set in the headers with charset iso-8859-1 ...I look in my .muttrc and that's the default charset...nothing should be different to my knowledge. So why do the 1/2 symbol and the top-right-double-frame symbol show up in that email... It's not just mutt, they're really there, obviously, because I see them in vim right now. I've also seen a number of box-drawing frames in people's names, signatures, etc...I had assumed they were all overseas and my charset didn't match what they were using...but this one did, and it makes no sense to me. What's the deal? TIA... mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: charsets??
On Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 05:57:00PM +0200, J Horacio MG blurted: > Fairlight dijo: > > On Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 10:15:21AM +0200, J Horacio MG blurted: > > > http://www.mutt.org is «the mother of all sites» ... well, as far as > > > mutt goes. There should be a link (in user's pages? or download?) to > > > where the .rpm's are located. > > > > So why do the 1/2 symbol and the top-right-double-frame symbol show up in > > that email... > > I guess the "1/2" symbol corresponds to the "Ntilde" (does it appear in > my signature, or elsewhere?), whereas what the other symbol (does it > show once or twice?) should look like a couple of small "less than" and > "greater than" symbols, our equivalent to first-instance double quotes. The 1/2 is quoted up there above...the character preceding "the mother of". And after "all sites" is just one character...it's the top-right corner of the DOS charset's double-outline box. > I wasn't aware they would bother at all (I thought they could be read by > anyone using iso8859-1). As for the "N" with the tilde on top, well... > being as it is at the bottom of the message, I presumed it wouldn't be > a hassle for anyone. Nah, not a hassle...a curiosity...I can't figure out why I'm using the same charset in mutt, but it displays oddly. Unless mutt doesn't ACTUALLY invoke the charset on the linux console, and I would have to do that with setfont or something. Anyone clueful on this? > My apologies, and please let me know if it looks ok now. [~N] in .sig now...and you needn't have redone it. No apologies needed...I'm probably just not understanding how mutt/linux/charsets all interact, and would like someone to briefly explain to me where I'm going wrong. :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Answer to Linux charsets problem
After looking at the kernel source, the unicode docs, and not a small amount of pestering of Alan Cox, who was kind enough to help me, I've discovered that for (stock, American) Linux consoles, you really want your .muttrc to say: set charset="ibm437" And all is well...I see the little << >> things now, and assume the rest will follow. Thanks also go to Dr. Daia for pointing out my misinterpretation of the charset section in the manual. :) Thanks, and hope this helps any other confused souls. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: How can I use outgoing mail server not local host?
On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 05:50:35PM -0500, Jeff Taylor blurted: > I think this depends on your Mail Transfer Agent (MTA), not the Mail > User Agent (MUA). I use Mutt and qmail. I tell qmail where/how to > send e-mail. Mutt just dumps it to the SMTP server. I am currently > using four different hosts for outgoing mail with my ISP being the > default. I took it to mean he wants to have -no- MTA at all and just redirect all outbound mail to another server's MTA (a-la Outlook, Netscape, etc). I can see why this might be desirable, however a look through the manual left me clueless as to how to accomplish it. I don't think the feature exists. If it -does- exist, the sendmail variable section in the manual should be changed to crossreference to it, IMHO. :) The answer seems to be a minimalistic need to have your own local MTA, set the sendmail variable correctly for it, and configure your MTA to use whatever host as a "smart relay". mark-> > > HTH, > Jeff > > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > I want to use outgoing mail server not `local host'. > > How can I do? > > > > Thanks, > > Dong-gyoo > > > > -- > > -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: How can I use outgoing mail server not local host?
On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 11:00:14PM -0500, Jeremy Blosser blurted: > There is, ssmtp: > ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/mail/mta/ssmtp-2.33.tar.gz Cool...*makes notes for other users down the line* > It does not exist, because implementing these things in Mutt would require > making Mutt a minimalist MTA, and Mutt is not an MTA, it is an MUA. Better > to leave this functinality in another (user specified) program. Ermtwo comments, diametrically opposed: 1) That philosophy is a good one, but implimenting POP3 and IMAP flies in the face of it, making Mutt a minimalist MDA, in addition to an MUA. Not a complaint, but an observation. Technically, either both should be supported minimally, or neither, IMHO. 2) I'm glad at least that the design goals are to keep things trim and to the point...I hate bloat like Communicator, et al that want to be everything. Relating back to #1, I'd rather see POP/IMAP stripped out if it came to a choice, but since it's already there... :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: How can I use outgoing mail server not local host?
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:10:18AM -0500, Jeremy Blosser blurted: > Fairlight [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 11:00:14PM -0500, Jeremy Blosser blurted: > > > There is, ssmtp: > > > ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/mail/mta/ssmtp-2.33.tar.gz > > > > Cool...*makes notes for other users down the line* > > As we speak I'm redoing http://www.mutt.org/links.html to have a better > topical structure, this will include an expanded (but of course still > incomplete) section of lins to other programs one can use with Mutt to get > a full Un*x mail system set up. Cool. You know...if I could just make a suggestion, since I think you maintain part or all of the manual... The html version...I know it's extra work, but it would be -really- cool in my opinion if the last 2 sections, config commands and config variables (especially variables) gave each of the commands their own hiperlink...maybe just make 2 sub-indexes that each go to so the main one stays brief and to the point. I find www.exim.org's commandline listings invaluable in that format and have found myself wishing many times in the last few weeks that mutt's were layed out similarly. > > > > > It does not exist, because implementing these things in Mutt would require > > > making Mutt a minimalist MTA, and Mutt is not an MTA, it is an MUA. Better > > > to leave this functinality in another (user specified) program. > > > > Ermtwo comments, diametrically opposed: > > > > 1) That philosophy is a good one, but implimenting POP3 and IMAP flies in > >the face of it, making Mutt a minimalist MDA, in addition to an MUA. > >Not a complaint, but an observation. Technically, either both should > >be supported minimally, or neither, IMHO. > > POP3: Yes, and this is why removing it from Mutt is a perennial(sp) debate. Heh. Okay...I'm new to it, so I haven't been around for those debates. :) > IMAP: Not quite the same, since even though IMAP is often remote, at the > core it's just another popular mailbox/folder format such as mbox, Maildir, > etc. It's proper for Mutt as a mail reader to support it. The primary > purpose/action is not transferring the mail (indeed, you usually don't > really "download" it), it's reading/browsing/composing it. Not being familiar with IMAP myself, I've simply heard it described as an alternative to POP3 (apparently by someone who was fairly clueless). I never had a reason to drop POP3, and so never reasearched IMAP. Thanks for the clarification. > > 2) I'm glad at least that the design goals are to keep things trim and to > >the point...I hate bloat like Communicator, et al that want to be > >everything. Relating back to #1, I'd rather see POP/IMAP stripped > >out if it came to a choice, but since it's already there... :) > > Well, there is always './configure --disable-pop --disable-imap' (which is > the default, anyway). Wasn't complaining...in fact, I enable pop (but disable imap), since sometimes it's nice when you're waiting on tech support email to just hit G instead of waking up fetchmail in another window or a shellout (I suppose it could be macro'd/bound...). Was just noting that in general, I notice y'all take great lengths to not let things get bloated, and wondered how it came to be in there to begin with. :) Maybe that's like waking up a dragon best left sleeping though. :) Speaking of macro/binding...I looked through the docs today and saw "push" ...one of my mailboxes on one system is one I'll scan for topics and usually delete all, which comes to a series of keystrokes: "D.*\n" ...I tried something like: bind index ^x 'push "D.*\n"' ...and about 5 variations on it, to no avail...I keep getting: push "D.*\n": no such function in map What about push or bind am I not understanding correctly? mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Mutt won't Send mail
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 08:50:17AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] blurted: > Hello from a Mutt newbie: > > Mutt retrieves mail from my ISP's pop3 server without any obious > problems, but when I try to send a message, I get the following: > > "sendmail: usage: sendmail [ -t ] [ -fsender ] [ -Fname ] > [ -bp ] [ -bs ] [ arg... ] > Error sending message. child exited 100 (). > Press any key to continue..." > > I'll be surprised if this is anything other than a screw-up in the > way my sendmail is set up, but I don't have the problem with my other MUA's > (otherwise I wpuldn't be able to send this!}. > > Can anyone help me, as I'm completely lost when it comes to > sendmail!?? Try strictly: set sendmail="/path/to/sendmail -t" Some sendmail drop-in replacements have some difficulties with the -oem and -oi flags...especially -oem. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: muttrc
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 06:15:08PM -0500, Jeremy Blosser blurted: > Telsa [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > Doesn't mutt come with a sample muttrc, then? If not, then rather > > than directing people at the really really big and impressive ones, > > wouldn't it make sense to provide a small and simple one that doesn't > > have all the really nifty stuff in, just for people to get started? > > We have lots of nifty ones in the wonderfully up-to-date (:)) links > > page off mutt.org; would a dead simple one be a good thing, too? > > Write one and give me a URL and I'll link it. There already is one. /usr/local/etc/Muttrc. That and the manual are more than enough to get you started. Copy it to $HOME/.muttrc and copy a line and uncomment and alter the copy to keep track of what you've mucked about with. And if the manual doesn't help, and you can't understand the complicated ones elsewhere, ask here. :) I found the default one to be very helpful and list almost everything you need to know, variable-wise. More than sufficient combined with the manual when I'm not being dense as lead. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
shell return on macro?
I've got a question about whether something is at all configurable without hacking the source, either by option or part of the expression. Take: macro index g "!fetchmail\n" 'start/awaken fetchmail' This executes perfectly...except for the annoying "press return to continue" after it's done. I have the same complaint when running urlview. HOWEVER...I can see having some programs with display on screen that you don't want disappearing immediately until you do tell it to proceed. I tried tossing in an extra \n at the end (to have two back to back as \n\n, hoping that the second would press the key for me), but not only did that not work, but I got a key is not bound error after I manually resumed. Ideas besides source hacking to make a prompted resume optional. TIA... mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: shell return on macro?
On Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 12:10:36AM -0500, Jeremy Blosser blurted: > Fairlight [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > I've got a question about whether something is at all configurable without > > hacking the source, either by option or part of the expression. Take: > > > > macro index g "!fetchmail\n" 'start/awaken fetchmail' > > > > This executes perfectly...except for the annoying "press return to > > continue" after it's done. I have the same complaint when running urlview. > > > > HOWEVER...I can see having some programs with display on screen that you > > don't want disappearing immediately until you do tell it to proceed. > > ... > > Ideas besides source hacking to make a prompted resume optional. > > You really need to start RTFMing, or at least G[rep]TFMing. > > ;-) Actually, I have a -damn- good excuse...the manual is SO good, and usually cross-referenced SO well in the HTML version that I looked under configuration variables and found the 'shell' variable, figuring any related cross-references would be there, and there were none. So I figured it might have been a hidden feature. Grepping for "wait" never would have crossed my mind, and shell could be half a zillion places in there. I was using the HTML version under lynx. :) Good enough? I -did- look...just at the wrong entry. :) (Actually, I don't remember seeing "!" documented as an actual call in the manual, I've just seen it used for urlview and such...that also is not cross-referenced under "shell" at all. :) I got used to heavy-crosslinking when looking up mime-forward and friends today in relation to that attachment forwarding thread the other day.) > > If you only wanted this off for given macros, you could of course > unset/reset it in the macros themselves. I'm going to try that for this particular macro and pray that ; works the way I think it should according to the manual. :) I'll play with it till I get it working. Shant take long, I suspect. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Bug, 0.95.7i, Pattern in Index
I haven't verified this under Linux, but just noticed it under Solaris: SunOS shell1 5.5.1 Generic_103640-27 sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCstation-20 Mutt 0.95.7i (1999-08-17) Copyright (C) 1996-8 Michael R. Elkins and others. Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'. Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details. System: SunOS 5.5.1 [using slang 10202] Compile options: -DOMAIN -HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK -USE_IMAP -USE_POP +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_PGP2 -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS +ENABLE_NLS The bug: I used the V as a default folder-hook, so I went in and started on a folder with about 240 threads. I have a macro that is basically: ":push D~A\n\n" The bug is that while all messages should be flagged deleted, in truth only those VISIBLE were deleted. Articles hidden in collapsed threads were -not- flagged nor deleted, and were written back out to the folder at quit time. I triple checked the manual just now on mutt.org and ~A is clearly stated as meaning "All messages". I had to V to get all the threads expanded and THEN the ~A flags all of them as deleted as expected. mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Bug, 0.95.7i, Pattern in Index
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 03:08:25AM +0300, Mikko Hnninen cogitated: > Fairlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Mon, 13 Sep 1999: > > The bug is that while all messages should be flagged deleted, in truth > > only those VISIBLE were deleted. Articles hidden in collapsed threads were > > -not- flagged nor deleted, and were written back out to the folder at quit > > time. > > > > I triple checked the manual just now on mutt.org and ~A is clearly stated > > as meaning "All messages". > > Sounds more like a documentation bug rather than Mutt bug. I wouldn't > personally expect ~A to match anything *outside* of the limit scope. > UI'd be very unhappy if I deleted ~A under a limit and then found out > later I deleted *every* message in the folder (not that I've ever tried > that). I'd agree to that except I'm not using the limit command. :) I'm not limiting by expression at all. I simply have the threads collapsed. To my mind, there's a large and distinct difference there. I'm going to try using .* later on in place of ~A and see if that works...gotta let threads build up in some mailbox first. > Maybe there should be pattern which matches all messages, even those > which are outside of the current limit scope? Or maybe there is and I > just need to RTFM... I -did- RTFM and "~A All Messages" seems pretty unambiguous. No mention of scope of limit there. Not that I'm in any way using limit anyway. And if mutt uses the same routines to collapse threads as it does to limit, I consider that a bug...but I can't say...I haven't read the source. In my mind, yes, if you used limit to "select" only certain messages matching a certain expression or pattern, then ~A should only apply to those selected. Simply collapsing the thread should be a display function, not a selection function, at least as I've understood it in any context. The threaded articles should still be applicable if the first one of the thread is in the list...see where I'm going? I basically draw a distinction between selection criterion and the view. Maybe one of the developers would care to jump in and squash this? I tend to get carried away in debates on another mailing list and have no wish to repeat that history here. No disrespect intended, Mikko... mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Columns in folder list
On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 09:58:07PM +0200, Roberto Suarez Soto thus spoke: > > Please! :-) I really need them. Are they so difficult to implement, or > is there another reason for not having them? :-m E...perhaps I'm missing a bit of info, but what do you mean by "columns in the folder lists" -specifically-? Maybe it's been asked before, but it seems like you're asking for something out of the blue without explaining specifically what you want/need. > -- > Roberto Suarez Soto · Help me ... > [EMAIL PROTECTED] · Heal me ... > Corgo/Lugo/Galicia/Spain · Kill me ... Careful what you ask for...some idiot might give it to you. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
POP/SMTP (was from Carl Madestrand (no subject))
On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 12:00:30AM +0200, Carl Johan Madestrand thus spoke: > Hi > > I have managed to setup pop mail support so that i can receive mail from > my pop server but how do i configure mutt to send mail from my pop > account? You are confusing two separate protocols, POP and SMTP. POP simply lets you retrieve your mail from a folder on the remote host. SMTP is the transport protocol used by MTA's (Mail Transport Agents) to send mail around the net. Clients such as Netscape, Eudora, and the like support BOTH protocols, POP and SMTP. This is why they ask for an SMTP server as well as a POP server. Mutt does not support SMTP directly, and instead requires use of an MTA on the same machine to send mail. Various MTA's can be minimally configured to be "dumb forwarders" that simply forward mail to a "smart host" (ie., your provider's SMTP server). There was also mention of a light pre-MTA (...premail??) in the last week or so that could be used like this. So, hopefully you understand you cannot "configure mutt to send mail from my pop account". You must get an MTA of some sort... mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: POP and outgoing SMTP
On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 02:03:30PM +0200, Carl Johan Madestrand thus spoke: > Hi > > I think i didnt explain myself pretty well in my last mail. > What i really meant, is there any way to specify my ISP's mail server > in mutt as an outgoing SMTP server, as i can do in other mail clients > like Netscape for example? > > Thanks :) Hullo again... Actually, you explained yourself quite well, and as Jeremy, I, and one other person mentioned, no, it cannot be done. You require an MTA. Either a regular one configured to forward to a "smart-host" (your ISP's mail server), or something like what Jeremy mentioned...which is listed under the "other utilities" somewhere on www.mutt.org (I don't have that message in front of me), which would be a tiny MTA...basically a forwarder. Mutt does not perform MTA actions as the result of a design decision they've stated...basically letting Mutt be an MUA, not an MTA. (Personally, I think POP support should just be nuked entirely considering how many people assume that "because Netscape et al do POP, and they can send mail out, Mutt should be able to!".) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Fcc question
On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 10:50:36PM +0300, Mikko Hänninen thus spoke: > Moritz Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Fri, 24 Sep 1999: > > so, /when/ do you want to save outgoing messages to outbox and when > > do you want to save them to some_oher_box ? is it a thing of the > > recipient ? > > then, you could IMHO do it via a send-hook. > > I think he wants to save a FCC into *both* mailboxes for every message. > And no, I don't know how to do that. :-( The solution I would use would be to do something like the following: my_hdr X-OutboundMultiStore: mailbox_target_name # or some other unique header And then just cc: yourself on every message and use .procmail and it's "c" option to do multiple saves based on whatever your major outbound folder is, and then one based on a script that would parse that line and append to that target folder... Slightly convoluted, but more efficient than a cron job. No, I don't have a handy procmail recipe already written but it shouldn't be hard. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Fcc question
On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 11:42:25PM +0200, Richard P. Groenewegen thus spoke:
> > > I think he wants to save a FCC into *both* mailboxes for every message.
> > > And no, I don't know how to do that. :-(
>
> > The solution I would use would be to do something like the following:
> >
> > my_hdr X-OutboundMultiStore: mailbox_target_name
> > # or some other unique header
> >
> > And then just cc: yourself on every message and use .procmail and it's "c"
> > option to do multiple saves based on whatever your major outbound folder
> > is, and then one based on a script that would parse that line and append to
> > that target folder...
>
> I thought about this, and I would know how to write such a .procmail,
> but still it would seem that there should have been some easy way to
> do this from mutt. I can also send messages to multiple persons, so
> why can't I use multiple Fcc-addresses (mailboxes)?
Script:
#!/bin/csh -f
#
# define storage directory
set dir="/home/someuser/folders/"
# set temp filename
set tmp="/tmp/$$.multistore"
#
# save temp file with email
cat - > ${tmp}
#
# get secondary filename that could have been set by hook, etc
set filename=`grep "^X-OutboundMultiStore:" ${tmp}`
#
# set full filename
set fullpath="${dir}${filename}"
#
# save mail to second folder
cat ${tmp} >> ${fullpath}
#
# remove temp file
rm -f ${tmp}
#
# Elvis has left the building
exit 0
# EOF
That's the script. Assume we call it "multistore"...here's the procmail:
# recipe
:0
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
* ^X-OutboundMultiStore:
{
:0c:
/home/someuser/folders/defaultsavefile
:0
| /path/to/multistore
}
# end recipe
Untested, but it's based on one of the first examples on the procmailex man
page, so I see no problems.
In short, the recipe's beginning checks not only for the special header,
but also for who it's from...so that it can only be triggered if you set
that header (cuts down on malicious abuse). Then the first part of the
disposition block saves to the default outbound file, and makes a copy of
the messge to pass on down to be piped to the second disposition, which is
a pipe to the script, which does the rest.
The procmailex example didn't use a second : to lock the file saved to, but
I think the man page was wrong...you should always check for locks when
saving to a folder. None is needed for the pipe.
Enjoy. Think I'll keep this around myself, just in case. ;)
mark->
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Faster than the speed of light, since drkness spreads faster than light
across our society. :(
A crappy proof for FTL travel. 8^)
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Re: backtick expansions
On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 02:41:17AM +0200, J Horacio MG thus spoke:
> Hi,
>
> could anyone explain to me what "backtick expansions" are, please?
> (just for the sake of the manual translation).
Also known by several names such as "grave quote executions", these are
along the lines of:
pid=`ps aux |grep inetd |grep -v grep |awk '{print $2}'`
The variable $pid would then contain the "expansion" (read: results of
execution) of the commands in grave quotes (backticks). I'm not sure where
"backtick" came from...I learned of them as "grave quotes" a long time ago...
At any rate, they denote "execute this command" in most shells and many
programs, and you can set variables equal to the expansion of that
execution's result.
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Re: How can I ?
On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 12:04:17PM -0500, David DeSimone thus spoke: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 5) Can one convert a .PST file to unix-like(text) format ? > > What's a .PST file? Microsoft Outlook's P.O.S. excuse for a folder format. And I'm -guessing- the answer is no, since .PST files contain not only mail messages, but all of the information for Outlook, including contacts, address books, etc, to my knowledge. I could be wrong, but I though it had the whole lot included. It's also stored in non-text format. Even the mail messages are encoded in binary for some reason...using gnu grep for dos I could not find a line in my .pst that had my email address at all. I'd give this up as a lost cause. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Automating send
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 10:32:35AM +0200, Eric Smith thus spoke: > I use vim as my editor in mutt and have mapped to save and exit. Now > is there a way to set some command in vim to save, exit and send (which 99% > of the time is what I do anyway. (Just want to save having to manually do > that final "y" for sending? It's that other 1% of the time that will bite you if you have no way to get at what you need. Just a reminder...even if you find something. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: how do i uncollapse all threads at startup?
On Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 12:03:35AM +0200, Jan Houtsma thus spoke: > Hi, > > When i startup mutt, i see the whole thread. I can use ESC-V to > collapse/uncollapse all threads. How can i have them uncollapsed > at startup? I think you meant to ask how you can have them all collapsed at startup, since you said you can already see the whole thread. Try: folder-hook . 'push V' mark-> -- Fairlight-> ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: whats the -*> ??
On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 11:58:58PM +0200, Jan Houtsma thus spoke: > In the index with threads what does the star (*) mean in the arrow? > > for example: > message1 bla > message2 |-> > message3 |*> > message4 | |-> > message5 |*> It means that you have strict_threads UNset, and although the messages with stars do not have Message-ID References that indicate they're part of the thread, mutt matched it based on subject and indicates that fact with at asterisk to let you know it's not a strict match. If you no longer want mutt to try and also match threading by subject, you can set strict_threads. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Marking all mail as read
On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 12:30:21AM -0500, Jeremy Blosser thus spoke: > ashley [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > i am trying to figure out how i can mark all mail in a mail folder as > > read. i can see how you mark a thread, or specific message, but not how > > to mark all messages as read. is this possible, and if so how would this > > be done? > > T~A;Wn > > T (to tag a pattern) > ~A (the pattern matching all messages) > ; (apply next command to tagged messages) > W (clear flag) > n (new flag) Mind you, you'll want to make sure all threads are UNcollapsed before you apply this (tack in V before starting Jeremy's sequence if you have threads collapsed). Otherwise only all VISIBLE messages will get marked as read. Bests, mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: WOB: telnet via port 80 (java?)
On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 06:13:57PM -0400, Ken W cogitated: > Sorry for the WOB, but at my new job I only have access via the > firewall through port 80 and I am goig insane not having my email up. > Does anyone know of any way to telnet via port 80, as in maybe a > java-based telnet in a web browser? As the other person said, you can have someone set up a telnetd on port 80 somewhere. However, since that may be difficult: www.tridia.com look at the CrossTie product. Please keep in mind it's commercial and must be run on the target machine to log into. It does have an advantage if the target server already has a server on port 80 though. :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: how to set up alternate SMTP server
On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 01:20:33AM -0400, Tim Pierce thus spoke: > On Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:59:00AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 09, 1999 at 12:05:51AM +, Shao Zhang wrote: > > > Sorry, a bit off topic, but just wondering... > > > > > > So why mutt implements a pop3 protocol? Why do we need this when we have > > > fetchmail? > > > > > > > ...and why have a pager while we have more and less. > > Heck, at this rate, why should mutt implement mail when we have /usr/bin/mail? Well geez...carrier pigeon with quill and parchment worked just fine...why did we impliment computers and electronic communication? Actually, until a few years ago (maybe 3), carrier pigeon would have been faster to Australia. :) It still is to some points routed through west-orange.cw.net. :( Anyway, that's getting to be a bit extreme...questioning the pager. The pager is implimented so that it can do some nice things like colouring, etc. It's an enhancement specifically meant to deal with email reading. I guess the fine line deals with whether something needs to deal with a protocol or not, and whether said protocol should be in an MUA. Since a protocol isn't involved in a pager, it doesn't get to stage 2 of the question. At least that's how I see the decision-making process re: mutt. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: Copy Paste
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 09:04:19AM +0200, Pieter Wenk thus spoke: > > I am new to mutt. Is there a way to tell mutt I should like to have > copy/paste features or is this just not suported ? > > Sincerely I hope it is. > Regards. > > -- > >/ / (_) __ __ > Pieter Wenk / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / Vevey/Switzerland > //_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ You're clearly using Linux...why not use copy/paste in either an xterm (or clone), or use gpm on the console? Even from a dumb terminal with enough capability to run mutt, you could use screen and use its copy/paste facility. Not sure what else you'd need... mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: pronounce
On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 11:02:02AM +, Lars Hecking thus spoke: > Reed Lai writes: > > seniors, > > > > how to pronounce "mutt"? > > Mutt is pronounced as "mutt". Can it be more simple? *snicker* But perhaps his first language isn't english? It could read as "moot"... For the record, it's "m - short u - t". > ;-))) Smiley noted...I just thought it was probably a sincere question from someone whose native tongue isn't the Queen's English. > Maybe M.E. could record a sound file and say something like: > "Hello, my name is Micheal Elkins, and I pronounce 'mutt' as 'mutt'." > and this could be put on www.mutt.org. Better yet...it could be used as part of the installation test...there are precedents for that as well. (sndconfig, if you've never used it under redhat, does that) > There are precedents :) Actually, that settles nothing...I -still- pronounce it line-ucks, in spite of the official pronunciation. And if you think that's bad, I know a guy that says "queeve" when refering to queue. :) mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: pronounce
On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 10:54:20PM -0500, Ken W thus spoke: > Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an HTML character for the 'u' > in 'mutt'. The 'u' in IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) is called > a "shwa" represented by an upside-down 'e'. It is the same vowel > sound in "what" and "up" and "cup". > > Wow, finally putting my degree in linguistics to good use! :) Hope > this helps. You needed a degree in linguistics for that? That was basic 1st grade phonics in a Catholic grade school, circa 1976. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: pronounce
On Tue, Nov 09, 1999 at 05:07:14PM +0200, F.Baubetm" thus spoke: > Surely sendmail reeled when thusly spake Fairlight: > > On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 10:54:20PM -0500, Ken W thus spoke: > > > a "shwa" represented by an upside-down 'e'. It is the same vowel > > > sound in "what" and "up" and "cup". > > > > > > Wow, finally putting my degree in linguistics to good use! :) Hope > > > this helps. > > > > You needed a degree in linguistics for that? That was basic 1st grade > > phonics in a Catholic grade school, circa 1976. > > > Except, schwa can't be in an accented syllable, can it ? "Uncomfortable" ..."com" containing a schwa, and being the accented syllable. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
Re: pronounce
On Tue, Nov 09, 1999 at 12:37:59PM -0500, E Forrest Carpenter thus spoke: > > Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if my understanding of the schwa is > > correct, the 'com' is not the syllable containing the schwa here -- the > > 'for', albeit almost glossed over, contains the schwa. The schwa is the > > dead sound in the second syllable of father or mother. > > FWIW, the Merriam-Webster online dictionary[1] (which uses ampersands to > denote schwas in its pronunciation key), lists every vowel sound in the > word "uncomfortable" as a schwa, whether you pronounce it with four > syllables (&n-c&mf-t&r-b&l) or five (&n-c&m-f&r-t&-b&l). > > [1] http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary Thanks for the vindication. :) And while this is getting horribly off-topic *hint,hint*, the father/mother I would beg to differ with, unless you're from New England, in which case yeah, it's probably pronounced like that in the second syllable... Or if you're singing it, in which case you avoid "hard" er's and flatten them out to a slight schwa. Normal midwestern speech where I'm from does not have those as schwa's. mark-> -- Fairlight-> |||[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fairlight Consulting __/\__ ||| "I'm talking for free... | http://www.fairlite.com <__<>__> ||| It's a New Religion..." | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/||| PGP Public Key available via finger @iglou, or Key servers
