On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 07:03:18PM +1100, Justin Mason wrote:
> OK, it's now up there as the new stable version. Here's the change log:
Woohoo!
Unfortunately, I am very busy and won't get around to making the 2.0 Debian
packages for a few days. I will do my best.
dding those mails to the corpus means a
> lot of manual extraction and refiling -- ie. it doesn't really work.
>
How bout setting up a box like [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or anything -- I
don't care) that would save a copy to the corpus, as well as forward/bounce
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This
l version numbers - it doesn't matter to me)
After a few days, just released would become stable, and stable be removed.
Regardless of how its implemented, I'd like a truly stable package, either
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es will use the
> 2.1.x series.
>
The only thing is that we tend to have new features ready for release much
faster, rather than waiting for hundreds of them, so this would be a
problem, new features that are quite stable don't get to the users fast
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> whitelisted no matter what, for addresses you need to do this for.
(PLEASE WRAP LINES!)
Ummm... shouldn't someone with 2 successful messages and then 1 spam message
(perhaps over a certain threshold) go to -1 successful messages or
something?
road up for external apps
> >to use it more easily.
>
> Yes, this would be a good plan for "subscribing" to the latest rules.
> Needs a few minor tweaks in the code (e.g. it shouldn't complain if an
> eval test is not available).
>
How about put
Would anybody be interested in writing a (simple) manpage for spamproxy, or
simply POD documentation.
Debian policy requires it :-(
It's bug 7 in Bugzilla :-)
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>
I have a similar problem. I run spamd as root, and until now, didn't have a
.spamassassin dir, so the auto whitelist rule thing didn't work.
Should spamd either a) make the dir, or b) use a tmp dir or other user
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ut the default score for auto-whitelisting, it seems a bit
high. I think -10 would work fine: that would give my auto-whitelisted
people up to a threshhold of 15, which is a REALLY spammy message with the
new scores.
This would be more likely to combat cases like Joey's
hey have enough
> confidence in it that it would just be safe enough to delete the
> messages..
>
Don't. Save it somewhere else, other than the users' inbox, but don't
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As long as it's marked as spam, don't complain. Most likely, Advanced Mass
Sender only appeared in the corpus along with messages that were
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procmail recovers and passes it through. (Or so I'm told)
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ost certainly false) then they must be
changing the version number of thousands of programs anyway.
I vote for numbering such as 2.01. It works just great, why change it.
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per message (when only one message is being processed), and up to 20
minutes when heavily loaded.
Needless to say, we do NOT need any superfluous tests.
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st scans take 1 second or so with spamd on my box)
>
Yes. I am. I think it would take an hour after I start my computer is I
used spamassassin -p, rather than 20 minutes :-)
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On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 09:23:56PM -0500, dman wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 08:39:16PM -0500, Duncan Findlay wrote:
> | On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:13:09PM -0500, dman wrote:
> | > Sure. And a default to off of any superfluous tests achieves this as
> | > well. BTW, Dun
On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:05:02AM -0800, Craig Hughes wrote:
> on 1/29/02 7:14 PM, Duncan Findlay at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 09:23:56PM -0500, dman wrote:
> >> Wow. I wonder what the cause is ... probably CPU due to heavy regex
> >
t from
those 2 versions ago, messing up the GA.
Furthermore, everyone has a different idea of what spam is. Is commercial
e-mail, that was sent by a company who legitimately has your e-mail address,
spam?
I imagine that the size of the corpus is not as i
peful that it's fixed. If it's still gone in a few days I
> will be submitting a Debian bug report with the patch, too, in the hopes
> of getting the package changed before the next major release...
>
> Daniel
>
Don't hold your breath ;-)
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dman was working on instructions for integrating spamassassin with
exim, perhaps he would be helpful.
If there's anything I can do to help (especially as maintainer of
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gt; Arguably this is too much of a guesswork... it could do the same parsing on
> > > the header as it does in its own internal RBL tests, perhaps? I think Exim
> > > includes the string the RBL servers return in the header.
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On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 11:40:46PM +0100, Erik van der Meulen wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 17:22:29 -0500, Duncan Findlay wrote:
>
> > On my system, -lndbm is not required, it seems. I think it has to do with
> > MakeMaker choosing what is needed (incorrectly?). Howe
g like that?
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Your definition of the word "real" boggles my mind.
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rom one address and reply-to another (neither of which is valid), and send off
> some asian relay who's admin is stupid enough to use default installations of
> outdated SMTP packages (ie. relay server).
>
This is a BAD idea. We ALREADY HAVE a test that does similar things --
DIFF
pammy)
e-mail account got deleted, so I have half as many e-mails going through
spamd at a time)
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 03:43:18PM +1100, Daniel Pittman wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Duncan Findlay wrote:
> > What's the status of the next release?
> >
> > I'd like to know, since I'm contemplating my options for Debian.
> > Ideally, I'd wait
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How stable is today's (last night's?) CVS?
If I get no complaints, I will release it for Debian - we've needed a
release for a bit.
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refs.template $(LOCAL_RULES_DIR)/local.cf
> migrate_cfs
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From =~
>/^[^a-z].*(yahoo|netscape|msn|aol|angelfire|usa|([hg]otmail|opera|eudora|dreame|tan|turbo|cara)mail)\.(com|net)/
([hg]otmail|opera|eudora|dreame|tan|turbo|cara)mail
What's hotmailmail.com?
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Of course, a simple whitelist entry would be best.
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I was wondering if we would release soon.
Debian is in the freezing process, and 2.01 has many problems. I'd really
rather not release a cvs build.
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ct) so @cs means the cs array.
Instead, this regexp should be /foo649\@cs.com/i
However, you really should add a whitelist entry rather than adding a header
test, do this with:
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An eval test here would be rather useless, as it could provide little more
functionality than a regex, unless it actually attempted to download the
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point. (I forgot to read the initial message of this thread before
replying, sorry!)
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hem in the right place. (*sigh*) It may also be an
issue with section 8 not meaning system administrator stuff on other
platforms.
Would it be possible to release soon? (please!) I'd rather not package a cvs
version. What are we waiting on?
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> Any ideas?
>
Try it without the > /dev/null for testing. I think it has to do with -a and
running as root. If that doesn't show anything, add a -D.
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it'll help you.
The redhat init script uses 'killproc spamd' to kill spamd. I don't know if
that's available on your system either.
Your best bet would probably be to check out other init scripts already
written for your OS, and copy them. The init script dman included w
ier? no.
more flexible? maybe.
It'd be much better to have -d write the pid to /var/run/spamd. That's what
pretty much every other daemon does.
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for something like "Monsterhut"...
>
Ummm... I'd be heavily inclined to set these spam scores to 0.01. It's not
that I don't trust the GA, it's just that if these are the outputs, they
aren't needed in the first place.
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is written in perl, spamc is written in c.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Duncan Findlay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:09 PM
>
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 04:28:07PM -0800, Craig R Hughes wrote:
> Duncan Findlay wrote:
>
> > Ummm... I'd be heavily inclined to set these spam scores to 0.01. It's not
> > that I don't trust the GA, it's just that if these are the outputs, they
> > a
pid to /var/run/spamd. -r
/var/pid/somethingorother does the obvious.
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far as Win32 faqs would go, try http://www.activestate.com and
http://www.perl.com/reference
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within more same scoring limits for the
> individual rules.
>
I was thinking the statistics were somewhat disappointing :-)
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ational
> conference in Asia-Pacific).
>
We must also remember that by making it easy for our users to descriminate, we
aren't hurting our users, but anyone who uses one of those TLDs, most of
whom are 100% innocent.
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Craig?) explain the 'perl sighandling bug on BSD'
Basically, my problem is that I can't figure out when children are exiting.
Since $SIG{CHLD} = 'IGNORE'; they are automatically reaped. I'd rather
manually reap them, but would this bre
these things appear in more non-spam than spam? For most of these
> rules, I've never seen them appear anywhere but in spam.
>
And even if they are, lets try to make rules catching nonspam and score them
negative rather than having rules designed to catch spam that do the
opposite and
but you get used
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ably go to
http://bugzilla.debian.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78
The patch works great on linux. Anyone running spamd on a slow computer
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make sense for both to do so?
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ve a number of BSDers hammer on this patch before I
> roll it in. Otherwise, I could roll it in with a giant "Don't use -m on
> BSD" warning.
>
> C
>
> On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 16:22, Duncan Findlay wrote:
> > I have proposed a patch to limit the number of chi
it had to be replaced with the one you just re-replaced. Definitely
> > would be good to have a number of BSDers hammer on this patch before I
> > roll it in. Otherwise, I could roll it in with a giant "Don't use -m on
> > BSD" warning.
> >
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check that the thingy bellow BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE---
> is a valid signature. That should be quick.
>
I think validate = verify.
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> validating the signed text.
>
And what is that format?
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(I'm not really sure how this turns out in
other MUA's. I think it's a multpart mime message.
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Description: PGP signature
tatus) so people don't get confused. Also, you'll want to make
> sure none of the "make test" stuff needs adjusting for the new scores
> some of the mails will get.
>
How bout a command line option for short-circuiting?
That way spamass
I was just thinking, perhaps we should change the name of the "automatic
whitelist." In my experience, it seems to be a pretty good blacklist too :-)
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ver used spamproxyd, so I haven't documented it!
I suppose it could be started up from the init script. But, I'm not sure how
widespread it's use is, and what would be the best way.
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real SPAM messages. I scored it down to
> zero locally, which suits me fine.
>
> Er, does anyone out there know that this is actually a usable source of
> information? Can anyone say that it's a success story for them?
>
Perhaps we should GA with the relay checks some time.
are messages I forwarded to illustrate issues with the new
> scoring methods in version 2.11 of spamassassin.
Let's keep false positives/negatives on the spamassassin-sightings mailing
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I agree that there must be a better way to do what we need, but $Config
is probably not the answer. Perhaps fixpath.pl is the way to go, it just
needs to be expanded and combined with a better make file, that could prompt
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> single damn virus out there in the wild (about 3000 of them).
>
> If you want to stop executables, put a rule in your local.cf checking
> for executable attachments and set the score to +100, but I suspect not
> everyone wants that.
>
Perhaps
spamd-doesn't-get-reaped
> issue with my older spamd too. I did cvsup & make FreeBSD last night.
>
Try the -m patch at bug 78 with -m set to something ridiculously high. The
-m patch has a different SIGCHLD handler.
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I'm really trying to say that we should leave both /etc/spamassassin and
/etc/mail/spamassassin.
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On Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 07:45:20AM -0600, Scott Walde wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Duncan Findlay wrote:
>
> > If you delete one path, delete /etc/mail/spamassassin. I don't know what
> > distribution has /etc/mail and what software supports this, but Debian
> > cer
es which
> would allow older upgrades to continue to work while giving those willing
> and option to use a cleaner structure.
>
Don't save one for historical purposes. This implies that one is somehow
'right' and the other is 'wrong.' Support both equally.
D
ack to nobody
> c) if that fails, die()
>
> I have attached a patch which turns on this behavior. Comments?
>
> Please CC replies to me.
>
>
> .joel
>
Umm... please enlighten us as to what -P would be good for then. If you want
the behaviour you describe, simply re
normal
for you to not have all the libraries that were required to build perl.
I really think that we can get rid of those extra libraries. On Debian,
spamc builds with just libc.
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Sweet!
Craig, include this please :-)
(It will greatly help the Debian rc script)
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On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 10:05:26AM +0800, Lars Hansson wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:20:12 -0500
> "Duncan Findlay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Sweet!
> > Craig, include this please :-)
>
> And if it does get included, make it possible to not
&
eed to know this before we can help!
> Also - where would these white-list entries be added,
> ~/.spamassassin/auto-whitelist.db ?
Ummm... in the homedir of the user running spamassassin -W
>
> I have not and do not want to configure system wide autowhite
> I put SA on my potato box yesterday (and then joined this list). No
> problems -- I grabbed the .tgz, ran the perl Makefile.PL, noted that
> I needed a gdm lib, found the right package, apt-get'd it (yes, the
> Potato libgdm-dev works
On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 11:43:22AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 11:27:05AM -0500, Duncan Findlay wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 09:19:18AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > I put SA on my potato box yesterday (and
On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 06:07:34PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 04:37:51PM -0500, Duncan Findlay wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 11:43:22AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 11:27:05AM -0500, Duncan Findlay wrote:
>
ist:"| /usr/bin/spamassassin -W"
> rmwhitelist: "| /usr/bin/spamassassin -R
>
> >Ummm... in the homedir of the user running spamassassin -W
>
> What if spamassassin -W is being invoked via a procmail recipe?
>
That would work. System wide aliases
ove 17 at the SMTP
> level. How do you go about configuring something like that?
>
> Kenneth
>
Yes. Use _HITS_ to represent the number of hits recieved, and _REQD_ for the
threshold. (I haven't seen this documented anywhere, but I did submit the
original patch -- and it
.
>
Perhaps we should use the assigned field to mean that one will work on it.
(i.e. a bug can be assigned to anyone, and when they are done, they submit a
patch, and assign it to default component owner)
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; - remove the quarantined messages after one month
>
Why not post them somewhere (i.e. online somewhere). Perhaps Craig would
like to add a place on the website for this kind of a thing?
I realise that my replies are 6 days out of context -- I just got back from
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gative
identification is. Instead of multiplying, we'd be better off increasing the
scores of those rules; but the GA already does this.
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 05:39:31PM -0800, Craig R Hughes wrote:
> As of today in CVS, it does ignore HTML comments.
>
Are these comments re-inserted with -d?
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But perhaps, that's just because I used to do a bit of work in the Mozilla
Bugzilla, where nothing is (ever?) closed.
Right now we aren't using VERIFIED, and we probably should.
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RANTEE/
>
> /tmp/spam contains a spam message after spamassassin went wild on it.
> but after -d processing, the headers are gone and the SPAM report is
> still present...
>
> any thoughts?
Could you include the message?
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Maybe it means we can't be sued?
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in my ISP's terms of service something about
not running servers. They certainly don't try to stop me. (Probably because
they are too lazy, and it really doesn't benefit them)
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On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 10:31:00PM -0600, dman wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 04:25:42AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> | [please keep cc'ing me on replies]
> |
> | also sprach Duncan Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.03.26.2358 +0100]:
> | > Report a Debia
e folowing, but
IANA procmail expert.
:0
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| spamassassin -W
Then, set your MUA to Bcc yourself on everything.
In .muttrc if you use mutt:
my_hdr Bcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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much superior to spamassassin?
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You mean you deliver to an mbox without locking? Shame on you :-)
You don't need the lock for spamassassin, unless you use spamassassin
without the -P. Last I checked, locking was not properly supported. (or i
might be wrong, it's just not NFS safe)
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ere a way to do this??
>
> Assuming that you use procmail to run spamassassin, you can simply use the rule
> described in the spamassassin documentaion, and save the email in /dev/null
> instead of the folder suggested.
>
Of course, this is something that should never
> this - it seems like "xxx this and xxx that" should be an indicator of porn,
> but "-" isn't likely to be.
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Agreed. If you file a bugzilla bug (bugzilla.spamassassin.org), it will be
fixed.
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On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 04:40:46PM -0800, Daniel Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:35:11PM -0500, Duncan Findlay wrote:
> > My question is why would any company use brightmail? Is it actually that
> > much superior to spamassassin?
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> I don't see how it _co
not specified,
> not found, or set to root. Fall back to nobody.
I assume this isn't mail that was meant to be delievered to root, was it?
What options are you running spamd with? (If you're using debian, what does
OPTIONS eq
spamassassin.cf
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It's the other way around.
> I could not find anything about that in the docs. If this is correct, you
> may want to put this into the FAQ.
>
I think it's handled more or less automagically.
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