KR>Spar bolts/nuts

2021-11-06 Thread Brett Lombardi
KR builders, Attempting to torque the AN bolts that attach the brackets to the main and rear spars. The nylon in the nuts strip with minimal pressure, ie. 12 lbs/sq ft. Anyone else have this issue and/or advice? Thanks, Brett -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at

KR>spar caps / new wing

2021-10-10 Thread Flesner
On 10/10/2021 1:58 PM, Mark Wegmet wrote: . the difference (other than length and height) between the original KR-2 spars and the KR2S spars is that the original plans for the KR2 spars had the mahogany plywood (shear web?) on one side of the spar, and the 2S spar has this on both sides of th

Re: KR> Spar Laminations

2021-03-04 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet
You're right. I missed that you were talking about the spar CAP, I thought you meant the overall spar. Yes, I only tapered one of the two pieces on both top and bottom spar. Mark Langford m...@n56ml.com http://www.n56ml.com Huntsville, AL On 3/4/2021 8:13 AM, costewart23 via KRnet wrote: Th

Re: KR> Spar Laminations

2021-03-04 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet
"costewart23" wrote: > Thanks Mark, I was looking at yours on your website and it looks like you just cut the top half of the spar cap off but I just wanted to be certain. Maybe we're talking around each otherboth top and bottom spars need to be tapered. Epoxy upper and lower spars wi

Re: KR> Spar Laminations

2021-03-04 Thread costewart23 via KRnet
Thanks Mark,  I was looking at yours on your website and it looks like you just cut the top half of the spar cap off but I just wanted to be certainSent from my U.S.Cellular© Smartphone Larry Flesner wrote: > Wait for a second opinion.  Like I said, it's been 25+ years since I cut > mine.Well,

Re: KR> Spar Laminations

2021-03-04 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet
Larry Flesner wrote: > Wait for a second opinion. Like I said, it's been 25+ years since I cut > mine. Well, here's how I did mine (same as your plan, I'm sure), shown at http://www.n56ml.com/kspars.html in excruciating detail. Mark Langford m...@n56ml.com http://www.n56ml.com Huntsville

Re: KR> Spar Laminations

2021-03-04 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 3/4/2021 7:21 AM, costewart23 via KRnet wrote:  Larry, thanks I've already made a pretty good taper jig and tried it out on the elevator and rudder spars and it worked perfectly. +++

Re: KR> Spar Laminations

2021-03-04 Thread costewart23 via KRnet
rg Cc: Flesner Subject: Re: KR> Spar Laminations On 3/4/2021 4:56 AM, costewart23 via KRnet wroteRun the piece through the saw using the edge of the 1"x4" as a guide.  A completed spar might be easier to handle in the saw.  It would just take a larger piece of wood

Re: KR> Spar Laminations

2021-03-04 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 3/4/2021 4:56 AM, costewart23 via KRnet wrote: The outer forward spar taper of course has to be laminated and sawn down to dimensions, do you cut down both sides or just saw off one side when you taper it down ++ As I recal

Re: KR> spar material

2020-04-08 Thread John Martindale via KRnet
hn_martind...@bigpond.com -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-boun...@list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Flesner via KRnet Sent: Thursday, 9 April 2020 1:02 AM To: krnet@list.krnet.org Cc: Flesner Subject: KR> spar material Colin recently expressed the lack of availability of spar cap

Re: KR> spar material

2020-04-08 Thread shafferj455js via KRnet
 m⁷qSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8. Original message From: Flesner via KRnet Date: 4/8/20 11:09 AM (GMT-05:00) To: krnet@list.krnet.org Cc: Flesner Subject: Re: KR> spar material On 4/8/2020 10:01 AM, Flesner via KRnet wrote:> Fourth item down and then re

Re: KR> spar material

2020-04-08 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 4/8/2020 10:01 AM, Flesner via KRnet wrote: Fourth item down and then read the * note below the bottom of the list. ++ same for outer wings forward spar. ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https:

KR> spar material

2020-04-08 Thread Flesner via KRnet
Colin recently expressed the lack of availability of spar cap material for the center section main spar without laminating and the Brit's not accepting that method without testing.  My grey mater has firmed up a bit lately but I recalled seeing the instructions somewhere of laminating materi

KR> spar attach fittings

2020-04-06 Thread Flesner via KRnet
We've been discussing wing strength.  Here is a photo of the unfortunate remains of a KR that suffered an engine out on climb out and the attempted turn back to the airport.  It went in to a wooded area just a few hundred yards lateral the numbers on the departure end of the runway.  The WAF'

Re: KR> Spar Failure

2020-04-05 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 4/5/2020 10:22 PM, Flesner via KRnet wrote: in to the wild blue wonder ++ I do sometime "wonder" where I'm at and what I'm doing but I prefer flying off in to the wild blue "yonder". Larry Flesner ___ Search the KR

Re: KR> Spar Failure

2020-04-05 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 4/5/2020 9:12 PM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote: But even without that, high-speed low passes just became boring at some point. I'm just not the daredevil type anymore. +++ If you're going to do them I suggest you do them on

Re: KR> spar failure

2020-04-05 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 4/5/2020 8:41 PM, Vern Taylor via KRnet wrote: For an aircraft designed to withstand repeated g loads od 7 g's, the ultimate load it should withstand is 14 g's. With an increase of MTOW, as many KR's have been built, the design g rating would have to be reduced to cater for this, but by how

KR> Spar Failure

2020-04-05 Thread Mike Stirewalt via KRnet
Sparky has told me over the years about an incident at a KR Fly-In or Gathering (I think KR people just called them FLy-ins in the earliest get-togethers.) up in the Bay Area. In the late 70's I think . . . one of the first fly-ins. It wasn't Chino but someplace I can never remember the name of u

Re: KR> spar failure

2020-04-05 Thread Vern Taylor via KRnet
nding with full fuel. My references are from "Design For Flying" (Thurston) As always, fly safe Vern Taylor Darwin Australia -Original Message- From: KRnet On Behalf Of Flesner via KRnet Sent: Sunday, 5 April 2020 6:25 AM To: Mark Langford via KRnet Cc: Flesner Subject: Re: KR> s

Re: KR> spar failure

2020-04-04 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 4/4/2020 8:16 AM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote: As for spar tests, please take a look at the 2008 KR Gathering website at http://www.krnet.org/mvn2008/ , about a third of the way down, for a spar test conducted at the 2008 Gathering. +

Re: KR> spar failure

2020-04-04 Thread Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet
Thanks so much Mark for the archived info from the 2008 KR gathering, and I just looked it through word by word and pictures after pictures! It is obviously extremely informative, especially on the Spar test in the field. All I can say is that, there was nothing short of amazing, including the inge

Re: KR> spar failure

2020-04-04 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet
Dr. Hsu wrote: > I will be interested to know why Ken Rand didn't consider the Sonex type of > foldable wing design Because Ken Rand designed the KR2 decades earlier than the Sonex was designed? Although engineers are usually astute people, they are not born with every possible perfect desi

Re: KR> Spar Length

2019-08-22 Thread Joel LaRock via KRnet
Mark,i have the plans someone gave me last year,but there was no building manual with them the plans where in abig garbage big, On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 16:33 Mark Langford via KRnet wrote: > Joel LaRock wrote: > > > I wrote yesterday that i was having a brain cramp how long are the > front n > >

Re: KR> Spar Length

2019-08-22 Thread Peter Drake via KRnet
other projects have got in the way!! -Original Message- From: Mark Langford via KRnet Date: 22 August 2019 15:02 To: Joel LaRock via KRnet Cc: Mark Langford Subject: Re: KR> Spar Length Joel LaRock wrote: Sorry thats why im asking these questions there was no manual with the plans Yo

Re: KR> Spar Length

2019-08-22 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet
Joel LaRock wrote: > Sorry thats why im asking these questions there was no manual with the plans You really MUST have the manual. It's 118 pages, most of which are critical to building a safe airplane, such as the details of the sparsnot just the length, but the width and depth of the

Re: KR> Spar Length

2019-08-22 Thread Phillip Matheson via KRnet
Drawing 13 is rear centre spar is 84 “ Drawing 12 front spar is 83” On kr2 blue planes pages 19 and 20 Phil Sent from my iPhone > On 22 Aug 2019, at 10:58, Joel LaRock via KRnet wrote: > > Thanks Mark > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 17:04 Mark Langford via KRnet > wrote: > >> Ronald Wright wro

Re: KR> Spar Length

2019-08-21 Thread Joel LaRock via KRnet
Thanks Mark On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 17:04 Mark Langford via KRnet wrote: > Ronald Wright wrote: > > > Possibly referring to the center spars instead of the wings? > > Yes, I may have answered the wrong question, as what I gave was the > center spar lengths (which I'm pretty sure is the same for -

Re: KR> Spar Length

2019-08-21 Thread Joel LaRock via KRnet
Good idea Luis On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 20:54 Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: > I read where the plans and data for the KR2 is now in public domain. Can > someone verify that? If so we should make a copy of the manual and put in > the KR archives. Good idea/ bad idea? My manual is dated January 1990.

Re: KR> Spar Length

2019-08-21 Thread Luis Claudio via KRnet
I read where the plans and data for the KR2 is now in public domain. Can someone verify that? If so we should make a copy of the manual and put in the KR archives. Good idea/ bad idea? My manual is dated January 1990. Best regards Luis R ClaucioOn Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 07:28:07 PM CDT,

Re: KR> Spar Length

2019-08-21 Thread Joel LaRock via KRnet
Sorry thats why im asking these questions there was no manual with the plans On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 20:25 Joel LaRock wrote: > Yes the center spars,i had the plans given to me n no manual > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 17:19 Ronald Wright via KRnet > wrote: > >> Possibly referring to the center spars

Re: KR> Spar Length

2019-08-21 Thread Joel LaRock via KRnet
Yes the center spars,i had the plans given to me n no manual On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 17:19 Ronald Wright via KRnet wrote: > Possibly referring to the center spars instead of the wings? > > Ron > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 3:33 PM Mark Langford via KRnet < > krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote: > > > Joel L

Re: KR> Spar Length

2019-08-21 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet
Ronald Wright wrote: > Possibly referring to the center spars instead of the wings? Yes, I may have answered the wrong question, as what I gave was the center spar lengths (which I'm pretty sure is the same for -2 and -2S). I don't have -2 drawings (the manual says "refer to Dwg 13, which I d

Re: KR> Spar Length

2019-08-21 Thread Ronald Wright via KRnet
Possibly referring to the center spars instead of the wings? Ron On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 3:33 PM Mark Langford via KRnet < krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote: > Joel LaRock wrote: > > > I wrote yesterday that i was having a brain cramp how long are the > front n > > back spars for the short wings?? >

Re: KR> Spar Length

2019-08-21 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet
Joel LaRock wrote: > I wrote yesterday that i was having a brain cramp how long are the front n > back spars for the short wings?? If you mean KR2 wings, it's 83" long for the main spar and 84" long for the aft spar. It's in the notebook part of the manual, page 19 and 20 in my version, Jan

Re: KR> spar inspection

2017-02-15 Thread Robert Russell via KRnet
Hi Chris; I did let Gary know that it was all in order and not to worry about it. Thanks again Bob - Original Message - From: "Chris Gardiner via KRnet" To: "KRnet" Cc: "Chris Gardiner" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:53:10 PM Subject: Re: KR>

Re: KR> spar inspection

2017-02-15 Thread Chris Gardiner via KRnet
Thanks for the update, Bob. I'll call off the hounds. Cheers Chris Sent from my iPad > On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Robert Russell via KRnet > wrote: > > Hi All : > So I checked with MD-RA and they simply want to see the project , no mention > of cutting any holes in the box spars or anythi

Re: KR> spar inspection

2017-02-15 Thread Robert Russell via KRnet
Hi All : So I checked with MD-RA and they simply want to see the project , no mention of cutting any holes in the box spars or anything of the sort. I think this was just a misinformed opinion from an inspector in a casual conversation. I have sent all the documents to MD-RA and they will take

Re: KR> spar inspections Canada

2017-02-12 Thread Al Hawkins via KRnet
Hi Robert I have never heard of that inspection, I just check the wood at annual inspection for soft spots, rot or mold. The plane has been in a dry hanger, it's whole life, so no problems at all. I suspect if the builder did not use epoxy to bond the wood, there could also be glue joint fail

Re: KR> spar inspections Canada

2017-02-12 Thread BOB ROBERT via KRnet
I bought a KR that was built in the early 90s and licensed in the USA and brought here to Vancouver after 10 years and the inspection did not include anything to do with the spar Bob Lalonde Surrey BC Canada 604-220-0460 On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Robert Russell via KRnet < krnet@li

KR> spar inspections Canada

2017-02-12 Thread Robert Russell via KRnet
I was speaking with an MDRA inspector about project Krs and he tells me that there is reoccurring 10 yr wood spar inspection that has to happen on all closed in wood spars. He said that they cut a hole in 3 different bays and look at the glue as it has 10 yr life expectancy.Although he did say

Re: KR> spar disassembly

2017-02-09 Thread Robert Russell via KRnet
Good thought on that tool Mark. That will work just fine and of another tool is always a welcome addition. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Mark Langford via KRnet To: KRnet Cc: Mark Langford Sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 17:20:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: KR> spar disassembly Anot

Re: KR> spar disassembly

2017-02-09 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet
Another item worth mentioning if spars must be removed from the fuselage is to use a very thin "japanese flush cut" handsaw or an "oscillating multi-tool", such as shown at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6PxdTlROQM . This tool is perfect for cutting the spars away from the fuselage verticals

KR> Spar dimensions

2016-06-22 Thread null
Thanks Mark. That question Was a little premature. I was thrown by the fact that they sent me material for the verticals that was too small (which I had to reorder) and the vagueness of the plans. Makes sense now. Had an issue with which way the laminate was supposed to go and the size stock the

KR> Spar dimensions

2016-06-22 Thread Mark Langford
Chad wrote: > Quick question. The dimensions for the main spar called out in the > plans. 2 5/32" top view. Is that to include the birch ply or is that > the cap only? Spar cap only. The "drawing number 12" covers spar and verticals, and underneath shows the additional web plywood added, with n

KR> Spar dimensions

2016-06-22 Thread null
Quick question. The dimensions for the main spar called out in the plans. 2 5/32" top view. Is that to include the birch ply or is that the cap only? Thank you Chad Sent from my iPhone

KR> Spar varnish/wing skins

2015-09-28 Thread Mark Jones
>At 03:40 PM 9/28/2015, you wrote: >What type of varnish are people using on the spars? + Minwax Helmsman Spar Varnish. I bought mine at a boat supply company way back in the late 90's. I have seen it at Menard's and Home Depot. Mark Jones

KR> Spar varnish/wing skins

2015-09-28 Thread Flesner
At 03:40 PM 9/28/2015, you wrote: >What type of varnish are people using on the spars? + Any good quality varnish should work. Be extra cautious not to varnish where you will have epoxy contacting the wood as in spar caps. Larry Flesner

KR> Spar varnish/wing skins

2015-09-28 Thread Garry Cowles
What type of varnish are people using on the spars? I have a set of Diehl wing skins -should they be stored horizontally or vertically. Thanks Garry Cowles Orlando FL Sent from my iPad

KR> spar attachments

2015-06-12 Thread Flesner
At 05:25 PM 6/12/2015, you wrote: >I thought that also...what could it hurt? But several times I've >wished I hadn't done that, so I could remove the WAF for some reason >or another... I'

KR> spar attachments

2015-06-12 Thread Mark Langford
Larry Flesner wrote: > It wouldn't hurt to epoxy the fitting to wood contact surfaces also as they are installed.< I thought that also...what could it hurt? But several times I've wished I hadn't done that, so I could remove the WAF for some reason or another...mounting the wing tanks was one

KR> spar attachments

2015-06-12 Thread Flesner
At 11:31 AM 6/12/2015, you wrote: >A couple of other builders were looking >at what I was doing and both recommended that I use a marine varnish on the >bolts before I put them through the spars +++ I'm with Mark on this one. Use epoxy. I'd

KR> spar attachments

2015-06-12 Thread Mark Langford
Ray Fuenzalida wrote: A couple of other builders were looking > at what I was doing and both recommended that I use a marine varnish on the > bolts before I put them through the spars. If not, they said that the AN > bolts would delaminate and rot the wood spars from the inside. I think the

KR> spar attachments

2015-06-12 Thread Raymond Fuenzalida
hello all, Just a quick question. I am redoing the waf's on the wings I have (got beautiful ones from Dan - thanks Dan) and I have a question about the fittings and bolts. I am going to go ahead and do it because it makes sense but I hadn't heard anyone mention it before. Of course I am priming a

KR> Spar and WAF stress analysis

2015-02-24 Thread Herbert Fürle
the conclusion of the German Test of the Kr Spar and WAF's calculated by Otto Bartsch is: Any reliable built Kr with a MTOW of 1050 pounds is a 4,2 G's plane with a 1,45 safety factor,or a 3,8 G 's x 1,6 plane! Otto Bartsch assured me,that the calculation was carri

KR> Spar and WAF stress analysis

2015-02-24 Thread Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.
That's nice to know... Thanks! On Feb 24, 2015 12:39 PM, "Herbert F?rle" wrote: > > the conclusion of the German Test of the Kr Spar and WAF's calculated by Otto Bartsch is: Any reliable built Kr with a MTOW of 1050 pounds is a 4,2 G's plane with a 1,45 safe

KR> spar extensions on KR2s wings

2013-10-07 Thread Virgil N.Salisbury
Wing skins, Virg On 10/7/2013 4:51 PM, cruzj12 at frontiernet.net wrote: > Has everyone building the 2s wings built the 12"extensions to plans or is > there another method to get equal or better results? Thanks,... > Joe Cruz > Spencer,NY > KR2S > N6102L >

KR> spar extensions on KR2s wings

2013-10-07 Thread cruzj12 at frontiernet.net
Has everyone building the 2s wings built the 12"extensions to plans or is there another method to get??equal or better results? Thanks,... Joe Cruz ??? Spencer,NY KR2S N6102L

KR> Spar holes

2012-03-18 Thread Pete and Karen Gauthier
I have a question. ..snip My opinion on spar holes. The dowel solution is fine in a the compression zone but only increases stability in a tension zone. My opinion is to to make every effort to reuse existing holes. If that cannot be done, dowel plug all holes and move outward on the spa

KR> Spar holes

2012-03-16 Thread John Martindale
Hi Bob Depending on the extent of misalignment, I reckon you would be better off fill welding the bracket and redrilling it to suit the current spar holes. This would probably be easier than redrilling and plugging the spar which I presume is already skinned. Tuppence for what it is worth. John

KR> spar analysis (Matt Elder)

2011-10-16 Thread Ed
Hi Matt I would really like to hear any advise you might have for someone considering a "bent" center spar . I was going to purchase new spruce stock possibly 1/4" thick to laminate them. Also any ideas for dealing with the "spring back" effect that happens when a bent lamination is removed fr

KR> Spar

2010-11-11 Thread Dustin Reves
Larry Instead of doing a 3 piece setup like is in the plans, my spar will be bent up at the fuselage like Darren Cromptons kr. The only difference will be, I am gonna do away with the WAFS so everything will be 1 piece. This should create a little more room for fuel in the wings and allow

KR> Spar vs. Capstrip spruce stock

2010-04-01 Thread Ken Henderson
Thanks for the advice Jeff, Roger, Oscar, and Joe. As you may have figured out, wood is not my most knowledgeable subject. I read "sparcap" in the instructions and assume they would be made from capstrip. Very bad assumption. You guys saved me a bunch of money and time and possibly prevented me

Fw: KR> Spar vs. Capstrip spruce stock

2010-03-31 Thread joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
Henderson" To: Subject: KR> Spar vs. Capstrip spruce stock List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:26:44 -0600 All, Still trying to get my Aircraft Spruce wood order right and I have a few questions. Is capstrip suitable for use as spar and longeron material? In the

KR> Spar vs. Capstrip spruce stock

2010-03-31 Thread Oscar Zuniga
Ken; capstrip stock is planks that have defects here and there but since it's intended to be ripped into capstrips for ribs or framing, the defects can be cut out and worked around. The wood itself is structurally sound, it's just that the plank is interrupted by defects. For spar stock the e

KR> Spar vs. Capstrip spruce stock

2010-03-30 Thread Ken Henderson
All, Should have asked this as well. If capstrip is unsuitable for the wing spars is it also unsuitable for the spars used in the horizontal and vertical stabilizers? If so, not a problem as I will calculate width needed including kerf loss, order 5/8" spar stock, and rip them myself. Pleas

KR> Spar vs. Capstrip spruce stock

2010-03-30 Thread Ken Henderson
All, Still trying to get my Aircraft Spruce wood order right and I have a few questions. Is capstrip suitable for use as spar and longeron material? In their online catalog Aircraft Spruce states that their capstrip stock is "non-structural". Aren't spars considered structural? The reas

KR> Spar bolts at WAFs

2008-10-12 Thread Colin Rainey
Larry H said: 4 bolts each spar on one side or 8 little bolts per side or 16 total on both sides. Some may have used 4 per side but if so use a compression spacer between fittings. Probably safest to go the 16 piece route. I bought my KR2 plans built after all was built and just needed mods to fit

KR> Spar bolts at WAFs

2008-10-12 Thread Phil Matheson
Australian Standards will not allow the 4 separate bolts per spar. They insist on Two bolts with spacer. I used thick wall 4130 spacer and lock nuts. Phil Matheson VH-PKR Australia KR Web Page www.philskr2.50megs.com http://www.vw-engines.com/

KR> Spar bolts at WAFs

2008-10-12 Thread Martindale Family
- Original Message - From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:59 AM Subject: Re: KR> Spar bolts at WAFs > Australian Standards will not allow the 4 separate bolts per spar. They > insist on Two bolts with spacer. I used thick wall

KR> Spar stock

2008-10-12 Thread jg7...@mindspring.com
Hi and Happy early New Year, This question is for those of you who purchased your wood from Wicks. I am getting ready to build my inboard spars and the lumber wicks sent me is a little over sized. Am I supposed to trim it to the final dimensions after it is glued up, or did Wicks make a mistak

KR> spar fitting

2008-10-12 Thread Chris Johnston
I have sat the centre spars in the fuse for the first time, and they fit very well, excepting the rear spar, the inner edges of the vertical members fore and aft of this spare are closer than the outer edges, there is a lot of bending in the side frame here, I would think the only way to ge

KR> spar sealing

2008-10-12 Thread Joseph H. Horton
By all means get the end grain coated to prevent checking in the grain. The top and bottom of the spruce is where you want glass to bond to. The plywood should be OK to coat as foam is the only thing that gets bonded to it. I had done all the inside of mine before the last layer of plywood webs wer

KR> Spar wood

2008-10-12 Thread ifly...@aol.com
Hey guys, Since I dont have a set of plans, can anybody tell me what wood I would need to order to build a set of KR2S spars - The center ones, front and rear. The only difference is that they will be 10 feet long - the outboard spars will be standard length. I plan to build the 18% new

KR> spar wood

2008-10-12 Thread bdazzca...@aol.com
Hey guys,  Since I dont have a set of plans, can anybody tell me what  wood I would need to order to build a set of KR2S spars - The center ones, front  and rear.   The only difference is that they will be 10 feet long  -  the outboard spars will be standard length.  I plan to build the  18% ne

KR> spar wood

2008-10-12 Thread Chris Johnston
Australia. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: KR> spar wood Hey guys, Since I dont have a set of plans, can anybody tell me what wood I would need to order to build a set of KR2S spars - The center ones, front and rear. The only difference

KR> Spar wood

2008-10-12 Thread Donald Reid
At 11:15 PM 5/7/2006, you wrote: >Hey guys, Since I dont have a set of plans, can anybody tell me what wood I >would need to order to build a set of KR2S spars - The center ones, front >and rear. The only difference is that they will be 10 feet long - the >outboard spars will be standard leng

KR> Spar wood

2008-10-12 Thread D F Lively
What is s the 18% Airfoil? Don ifly...@aol.com wrote: > Hey guys, Since I dont have a set of plans, can anybody tell me what wood I > would need to order to build a set of KR2S spars - The center ones, front > and rear.

KR> Spar wood

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Jones
ehalf Of D F Lively Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:09 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Spar wood What is s the 18% Airfoil? Don ifly...@aol.com wrote: > Hey guys, Since I dont have a set of plans, can anybody tell me w

KR> Spar wood

2008-10-12 Thread Allen Wiesner
>What is so the 18% Airfoil? Don That is one version of the new low-drag wing, see http://www.krnet.org/as504x/ There are two versions, one is commonly called the 16% airfoil and is for people who already have their spars built; and the other (the 18%) is for new construction. It's advantage

KR> spar wood

2008-10-12 Thread VIRGIL N SALISBURY
North Richmond > > > Australia. > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:14 PM > Subject: KR> spar wood > > > Hey guys, Since I don

KR> Spar wood

2008-10-12 Thread VIRGIL N SALISBURY
Get the plans Order from AS or Wicks. they know. Also, RR says DO NOT LENGTHEN THE CENTER SPARS, Virg On Sun, 7 May 2006 23:15:06 EDT ifly...@aol.com writes: > Hey guys, Since I dont have a set of plans, can anybody tell me what > wood I > would need to order to build a set of KR2

KR> Spar wood

2008-10-12 Thread Steve Eberhart
I am not sure, from reading all of the posts in this thread, if a constant 18% thick wing is what is being discussed here or an 18% tapering to 15%. The 18% AS5048 was originally designed to be used as the root airfoil of a wing that tapered to the 15% AS5045 airfoil at the tip. According to

KR> Spar wood

2008-10-12 Thread Allen Wiesner
>I don't remember any discussions about >using the 18% in any configuration other than as a root airfoil tapering >to a 15% at the tip. Steve: Please correct me if I'm wrong but it is my understanding that the center section stub wings are a constant cord of 18% thickness and the outer wing pan

KR> Spar build

2008-10-12 Thread ifly...@aol.com
Thanks for the info on spar wood guys. For those interested, I do need a center spar length that is 2 feet longer than normal. The 18% chord AS airfoil will improve the strength and load bearing necessary for my project. The Taller spar is about 20% stronger than the stock spar which wi

KR> Spar build

2008-10-12 Thread D F Lively
Bill: That makes sense as the momentof inertia goes up to the 3rd power of the depth of section (b x h cubed)/12. 8 cubed is 512 vs 7 cubed which which is only 343 so the spar is much stronger so in can probably handle the added bending moment. I know the basics but it would take a good aero

KR> Spar build

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Langford
It might be time to elaborate on what Steve Eberhart eluded to earlier. After either tunnel tests or analysis (I forget which), Ashok decided there was something he didn't like about the characteristics of the AS5048 near stall...some sort of burble or separation, or something, which is when he

KR> Spar build

2008-10-12 Thread D F Lively
Bill: The Formula I used was for a solid beam not a KR2 Spar because the Spar is a "Composite build of (2) solid beams(plywood skins) and the spar caps separated by a distance and the "Crippling" can be ignored. Primarily the added strength comes from the added depth section which is taken to

KR> Spar length/spins

2008-10-12 Thread M & C
more spin resistent will make recovery more difficult. Mike Turner Jackson, Missouri Swing the prop and light the fire, dance amoung the stars.N642MC - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: Re: KR> Spar length/spins > > On Fri

KR> Spar length/spins

2008-10-12 Thread Colin Rainey
that flight lesson... Colin Rainey First National Mortgage Sources Lending Solutions in All 50 States 386-673-6814 office 407-739-0834 cell brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: M & C > To: KRnet > Date: 1/27/2006 9:11:49 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Spa

KR> Spar length

2008-10-12 Thread Doug Rupert
Obviously I'm missing something here John. Kindly explain the difference between a properly baffled fuel tank in the stub wings versus the same = tank in the outer wing panels. It would seem to me that if wing drop is your concern that the same weight further out would have more of a = detrimental

KR> Spar length

2008-10-12 Thread Martindale Family
the outer tanks. Anyone tried it. :-) Feelin embarassed here John. - Original Message - From: "Doug Rupert" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: RE: KR> Spar length Obviously I'm missing something here John. Kindly exp

KR> Spar length/spins

2008-10-12 Thread Larry&Sallie Flesner
> >Nontheless, I would be interested to know how a KR behaves in a spin >with fuel only in the outer tanks. Anyone tried it. :-) > > John. ++ My KR has outer wing panel tanks only. It's stall is very gentle and straight ah

KR> Spar length

2008-10-12 Thread Doug Rupert
No need for embarrassment. I thought that was the idea behind this list to exchange ideas among builders and hash things out BEFORE construction and possible costly errors. Doug Nontheless, I would be interested to know how a KR behaves in a spin with fuel only in the outer tanks. Anyone tried it

KR> Spar length/spins

2008-10-12 Thread jscott.pi...@juno.com
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:45:58 -0600 Larry&Sallie Flesner writes: > > > > >Nontheless, I would be interested to know how a KR behaves in a > spin > > >with fuel only in the outer tanks. Anyone tried it. :-) > > > > John. >

KR> Spar length

2008-10-12 Thread bdazzca...@aol.com
Hi Netters, I was wondering if anyone has extended the length of their inner spars to get over fuel without adding a header tank? If so how much was added to total length? I would like to add a total of 12".. Is this possible? I would also be leaving the outer spars their length. David

KR> Spar length

2008-10-12 Thread Stephen Teate
done. Good luck, Stephen ste...@compositecooling.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of bdazzca...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:42 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Spar length Hi Netters, I was wonde

KR> Spar length

2008-10-12 Thread VIRGIL N SALISBURY
PLEASE DON'T. Unless YOU are prepared to do the Engineering math to prove that they will handle the loads. This is the one thing RR does not want to be done, Virg On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:42:11 EST bdazzca...@aol.com writes: > Hi Netters, > >I was wondering if anyone has extended t

KR> Spar length

2008-10-12 Thread Martindale Family
Caution. Spin recovery can be affected if the extra distance is used for tanks. My viewStick to what is proven, that is, stock stub length. John - Original Message - From: "Stephen Teate" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:29 AM Subject: RE:

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2008-10-12 Thread patric...@usfamily.net
Thinking of laminating my center spar caps and building in the dihedral. Do I do this at the center of the spar or where the spar exits the fuselage? Patrick Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patric...@usfamily.net --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19

KR> Spar

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Langford
Pat Driscoll wrote: > Thinking of laminating my center spar caps and building in the dihedral. > Do I do this at the center of the spar or where the spar exits the > fuselage?< If I were doing it I'd do it just outboard of the fuselage or at the fuselage sides. A V in the middle would make th

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