Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Every time the issue of women in computing comes up in slashdot, the > comments from the male geeks fall into two categories: > > 1. female geeks are lightweights and don't code obsessively enough > 2. I wish more females geeks were socially/sexually

Re: [issues] Mime-Version: 1.0

1999-10-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Naomi Hospodarsky wrote: > I am fully apalled. This sort of thing in the Linux/computer world has > been bugging me a lot lately. I really resent a lot of the advertisements, > etc. that use "beautiful" women as vehicles for selling the computer > culture. ARGH! Perhaps s

Re: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The trick is, the commitment doesn't come from everyone. It certainly doesn't > come from clueless HNGs (horny net geeks). > It /does/ come from many of the older, wiser, more sensible members of the > community, both male and female. Okay, totally

Re: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote: > I can respect your rant, but like most things in this life that cannot be > changed, something my grandmother said seems to ring true: It sure can't be changed if no one tries. > "Just deal with it." > What does it matter that you're a woman? > I k

Re: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, CaroLyn Schneider wrote: > That's what it (pornography) comes down to for me - it's freedom of speech. > Very very important concept. Let's hang on to it. But no one said anything about censorship yet! aregh There's a difference between bringing up 'maybe it would be bette

Re: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote: > Besides, define 'adult'. Well, I believe we already have a working definition, since we have 'adult' themes like we have 'SF' themes, etc.. If you like, we can define the particular pictures *I* am going off about right now, we can say something a

RE: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Rikki McGinty wrote: > uhm, not that this issue isn't fascinating, but is it really that relevant > to this mailing list? it's gotten very far away from anything Linux-related. hmm..the issues list is for issues related to linux and being women in the boys club, so I think w

Re: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Laurel Fan wrote: > Hm. I haven't really noticed this, but it might just be because I don't > look for themes, and don't often view screenshots. So I decided to do a > little unscientific experiment. what struck me is that every time I wander over there (which is rarely)

Re: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote: > Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle. Just categorize the You've obviously never been to some of the quilting cirlce's I've been > damn themesNo one can take exception to seeing anything they don't want > to see then. Issue cl

Re: [issues] Screenshots (long)

1999-10-21 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote: > Warning: a very long post indeed. heh. I'm glad to know I'm not the only person prone to those :) > I'm not sure if it has to be inviting to everyone. Nothing Hmm..maybe inviting is the wrong word -- how about 'not hostile'? (BTW, ingrid, I don't mean

Re: [issues] How not to attract geeks

1999-10-21 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
it's weekly world news, isn't that synonymous? :) Vinnie On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Blackjax wrote: > http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/stories/1476.html > > > I certainly hope this is a joke. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > -- Reality is a formality, an agree

Re: [issues] Slashdot on meeting women

1999-10-25 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote: > > A woman just like you wouldn't be there for you when you wanted a hug. > > She'd be obsessively coding or posting on Slashdot herself, and would > > brush you off when you needed her. What you really want is a woman who You know what's funny -- This

Re: [issues] Slashdot on meeting women

1999-10-25 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, srl wrote: > aha. i think you've hit on something. I kinda find it offensive for > anyone to more-or-less openly seek someone to be hir > maintainer-of-all-things-domestic-and-emotional. And, gender politics > being what they are, it's most often men looking for this from wom

Re: [issues] Flame war - after action report & apologies

1999-10-26 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Simon Britnell wrote: > be there, but couldn't see a way to cut the emotion, so I just labelled > it "hazardous content" and left it. For what it's worth, I thought it was a fair way of handling the situation. My definition of flaming includes the attack being redirected at

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Aults RANT=.2

1999-10-26 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, J B wrote: > Not in my house heh. in my house the female *always* does the housework okay, so I live alone.. (well, with a female cat, but she *never* helps :) ) > My SO and I share housework equallyor I do it while she is off running > with the kids. > > And my

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Aults RANT=.2

1999-10-26 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, J B wrote: > I was always taught that a woman's place was wherever she wanted to beof > course my mother was one of the first feministshe had the picture of the > woman peeing in the urinal on her bathroom wall in the mid 70's exactly Vinnie (who can pee in a

[issues] /. (again!)

1999-10-27 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
Okay, I'm dropping threads all over the place, I promise sometime next week I'll get around to picking them up :) (something about one concert, one machine room and a plane ticket to philidelphia all in one week) but has anyone noticed the poll? I'd be annoyed, if I weren't so busy (what I w

Re: [issues] /. (again!)

1999-10-27 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
I'm beginning to wonder if *slashdot* is trolling no, I'm (semi) serious this poll, roblimo, the quotes... /. is just so not amusing me this week (and most of the geeks I know irl read it, though we all tend to filter out anything below 2 or so...which means I don't read my own comments [I hav

Re: [issues] /. (again!)

1999-10-27 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > I have to wonder how many women have been selected as moderators on > Slashdot. it's a semi-random/karma thing...I get mod every so often..more when I meta-moderate regularly (which I quit doing because I feel like if I mod then that means I have t

Re: [issues] Something I've observed

1999-11-01 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Caitlyn M. Martin wrote: > For better or for worse, I don't think it's legal to do so. This was > discussed heavily by Webgrrls a couple of years ago, and the conclusion that > was reached was that we, ourselves, could be sued for discrimination. This > applies only to the U

Re: [issues] Automatic associations

1999-11-01 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > (Same way I expect the skin that's falsely called 'yellow' to be over > Oriental-type features, and 'white' to be over Caucasian shapes.) > the plumbing system being 'wrong', or noone having vegemite, but not > that. You know? Yeahyou're not t

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-11-02 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm not sure that classifying people further is the answer. Reclaiming > 'person' - or some other gender-neutral identification - might be an > answer. But having studied stereotyping, I don't think that's quite an > answer either - people stereoty

Re: [issues] Re: UF -- long, think piece

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > When I stated I'm a stupid male.. I ment that in terms that I still have > much to learn... as I think we all do... ohh and I'm stupid in terms of > not being able to express myself clearly to this list :) in other words you're stupid, and you're male, and th

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > I don't think microsoft should be punnished for being a sucessful > company... even if it blow up a few compeditors... you know what I think sucks -- that the government creates this protected class called a 'corporation', and then folks complain when it puts

[issues] Why women should have equality/equivilency

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > Ohh.. on the contrary... before I try to figure out in my head how equal > humanity is to be achived.. it's helpful to find out if it's nessary to > begin with... the best people to ask such a question to are usualy the > people fighting for it. a

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > how exactly is a corporation "protected" as a class? I misstated (I'm trying to do too much this morning..sorry) -- Corporations aren't protected, they protect people -- specifically the people who make and implement the 'corporate' decisions -- i.e. if I, Vi

Re: [issues] Why women should have equality/equivilency

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > I hardly consider the tenique to be unique.. mind you.. I've been reading > atlas shrugged lately.. she is definatly one who works everything from the > ground up... which is how I like things :) even If I use my own "stop gap > trees sometimes :) ) Not argui

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > They came up with an operating system that would run on intel based > hardware... that people would want to run the applications they also > wanted to run. you mean they bought an OS that the guy who wrote it now regrets writing...and the rest of your senten

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > If a corporation breaks a law.. what would you like to see happen... going > for an extreme here... if microsoft hires an assasan to kill Linus.. what > should happen? How about the actual people behind the decisions are punished? Jail time, personal fines (a

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > I was asking for a personal viewpoint.. not what the DOJ or a judge said.. Illegal is not an opinion -- illegal is a fact morals and ethics can be debated..laws exist > Ahhh I'm guessing VAlinux systems must have either signed the agreement or > are going to

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > If OS/2 was marketable enough of a product... it wouln't have had to be > dumpted... however Microsoft's marketing unfortunatly won... I'm surprised > your being so defensive of IBM... if any company could be acused of being > strong armed against compeditors.

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > The problem here is no one wrote anything for it.. and it wasn't > everything it claimed to be... and (for me atleast) confusing to navigate > around... it could run most windows apps, and anything with a gui is confusing for me..interface is a personal issue

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > laws are subject to interpretation yes. but you (and I) are not lawyers (which is not to say that we are completely incompetent to judge, but *is* to say that our opinions aren't the really important thing here)..plus a lot of this is not grey area stuff...I

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > well trade press seem to think either A> microsoft will be limited to > developing it's own tech.. or B>broken into pieces ala MaBells hey..what..you mean nothing about code reviews? > These are MY arguments thank you very much... why would I do otherwise?

Re: [issues] MS vs DOJ, etc

1999-11-10 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
it's only partly because of the cost (btw, this is getting really off topic, perhaps it should migrate to grrltalk?) -- in my experience, doctors don't help or make things worse about as often as they make things better. This might not be true for *really* serious diseases (but then again, it mig

Re: [issues] PC Manufacturers

1999-11-10 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
oops, I should probably check threads next time :P (still, the point stands, since you *were* using microway as an example, earlier. but I think I'll shut up now, since I really am sick of trying to explain this) Vinnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] PC Manufacturers

1999-11-10 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > microway (www.microway.com) has good prices, good hardware.. though they > focus mostly on alpha based systems out of curiousity, which part of intel compatible don't you understand? Vinnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org