[issues] the curious one enters wearing a trench coat...

1999-10-26 Thread curious
Greetings, Hello, my name is curious... this wonderful mailinglist was introduced to me by Vinnie Surmone... so if there any referal bonuses please aply them accordingly. Early observations... there seems to be alot of knee jerking on here.. If someone says something you disagre

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Adolts. WARNNG: RANT

1999-10-26 Thread Dakota Surmonde
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Simon Britnell wrote: > Some people *want* that - on both sides. I don't understand it, but > some people seem to like that white picket fence stuff. Yeah. I've noticed that too. I guess I don't see the point in getting annoyed over that. If they *want* their relationships

Re: [issues] the curious one enters wearing a trench coat...

1999-10-26 Thread Steve Kudlak
curious wrote: > Greetings, > > Hello, my name is curious... this wonderful mailinglist was > introduced to me by Vinnie Surmone... so if there any referal bonuses > please aply them accordingly. > > Early observations... there seems to be alot of knee jerking on > here.. If som

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Adolts. WARNNG: RANT

1999-10-26 Thread srl
Okay, first, I didn't mean to start a flame-fest. Can we bring it back down to a reasonable level? On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Simon Britnell wrote: > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:02:50 -0400 (EDT) > srl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I kinda find it offensive for anyone to more-or-less openly seek someon

Re: [issues] the curious one enters wearing a trench coat...

1999-10-26 Thread Steve Kudlak
((Curious send some interesting stuff I took out) Steve Kudlak promises: To proofread before sending, and not use personal slang as much. Like guess stations (as in I guess it's open the lights are on) for gas stations and repair shops. ANd to be a little less sloppy:). Have Fun, Sends Steve

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Aults RANT=.2

1999-10-26 Thread Steve Kudlak
Yeah "responsible adults" is kind of an irritating phrase. It is often followed by a whole set of truisms that kind of irk. I am a messy house keeper and I don't mind it. If it means living alone I will. If I had the wherewithal and needed it to have a clean house, I'd probably hire someone at

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Adolts. WARNNG: RANT

1999-10-26 Thread Dakota Surmonde
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, srl wrote: > Okay, first, I didn't mean to start a flame-fest. Can we bring it back > down to a reasonable level? I don't think anyone here is flaming. Why don't you think it's a reasonable level and what would be? > and it's fine if they want that, but i feel like too oft

Re: [issues] the curious one enters wearing a trench coat...

1999-10-26 Thread Deb Richardson
curious wrote: > An idea for either enhancement on this mailinglist or a possible > future list would be to have the use of the list licensed.. ie. to use the > list you must agree to atempt to fully understand where the other person > is comming from... and not to lable anyone in the lis

[issues] Flame war - after action report & apologies

1999-10-26 Thread Simon Britnell
Well, not so much a flame war as a brief exchange of fire :) My comments labelled RANT had far too much emotion in them and for that I apologise. I started trying to explain my position and ended up angry. After writing it I still felt the information content needed to be there, but couldn't se

Re: [issues] Slashdot on meeting women

1999-10-26 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Neil ''Fred'' Picciotto wrote: > now, the one part which i found mildly offensive was his claim that geeks > can't be supportive in a relationship. i was offended not because he was > saying this about "girl geeks", but because he was also saying it about all > geeks. and i

Re: [issues] Flame war - after action report & apologies

1999-10-26 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Simon Britnell wrote: > be there, but couldn't see a way to cut the emotion, so I just labelled > it "hazardous content" and left it. For what it's worth, I thought it was a fair way of handling the situation. My definition of flaming includes the attack being redirected at

Re: [issues] Flame war - after action report & apologies

1999-10-26 Thread jenn
Simon Britnell wrote: > As for the rest of your comments, you made my day. Good to meet another > survivor. Here are a couple of things that helped me: > 2) Talk to ambulance people about failed suicides. The percentage of > suicide attempts that make a mistake and end up maiming themselves >

Re: [issues] Women and the Open Source Community (was screenshots)

1999-10-26 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > Every cultural group should be free to make its own choices amongst > morally neutral practices (the classic example of this being whether > one cremates or buries one's dead); but no cultural group has any > right to maintain a morally reprehensibl

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Aults RANT=.2

1999-10-26 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote: > Clean houses always reminded me of funeral parlours, it's dead, nothing > or nothing human really lives there. LOL -- my apartment definitely looks "lived in." > I don't see how this all relates to linux, other than the atmosphere > places like slashd

Re: [issues] Female Objectification of men (was: Screenshots)

1999-10-26 Thread Steve Kudlak
J B wrote: > But does it seem overblown when somebody is freaked out about something and > articulates it clearly and why, and wonders: "Well do we want this kind of > atmosphere for this thing?" Is that a valid question, yeah it is. Should we > talk about without shouting...Well at least I th

Re: [issues] Flame war - after action report & apologies

1999-10-26 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Simon Britnell wrote: > > 2) Talk to ambulance people about failed suicides. The percentage of > > suicide attempts that make a mistake and end up maiming themselves > > instead is suprising. I don't fear death. Disability is another > > matter. >

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Aults RANT=.2

1999-10-26 Thread J B
I think one of the reasons housework came up is that women are still expected, by and large, to do the most of it. -- Not in my house My SO and I share housework equallyor I do it while she is off running with the kids.

Re: [issues] Flame war - after action report & apologies

1999-10-26 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Simon Britnell wrote: > My comments labelled RANT had far too much emotion in them and for that > I apologise. Why? :) It's OK, I don't think you were out of line. > > ... Roblimo's artical ... 'bad' reasoning > > I don't think Robs article is bad reasoning per'se. I thin

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Aults RANT=.2

1999-10-26 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, J B wrote: > Not in my house heh. in my house the female *always* does the housework okay, so I live alone.. (well, with a female cat, but she *never* helps :) ) > My SO and I share housework equallyor I do it while she is off running > with the kids. > > And my

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Aults RANT=.2

1999-10-26 Thread Jacqueline Urick
> > I think one of the reasons housework came up is that women are still > expected, by and large, to do the most of it. > My housemate is male are we are both in similar fields (I do web dev, he does techdesk), but I've always been a bit more successful than him. Despite the fact that we do

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Aults RANT=.2

1999-10-26 Thread J B
I was always taught that a woman's place was wherever she wanted to beof course my mother was one of the first feministshe had the picture of the woman peeing in the urinal on her bathroom wall in the mid 70's - The point is t

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Aults RANT=.2

1999-10-26 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, J B wrote: > I was always taught that a woman's place was wherever she wanted to beof > course my mother was one of the first feministshe had the picture of the > woman peeing in the urinal on her bathroom wall in the mid 70's exactly Vinnie (who can pee in a

Re: [issues] Flame war - after action report & apologies

1999-10-26 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:48:41 -0700 (PDT), Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >But for a while I really did understand. I took anti-depressants, >which helped enormously. It was like a cloud lifted. For me, it's more like it keeps the storms away. Still lots of clouds, but they're not nea

Re: [issues] Flame war - after action report & apologies

1999-10-26 Thread srl
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Simon Britnell wrote: > > and it's fine if they want that, but i feel like too often > > white-picket-fence is the normative ideal, and anyone who doesn't want > it > > (particularly females) takes a lot of shit. > > imho, the person who gives you the most sh*t is yourself.

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Aults RANT=.2

1999-10-26 Thread Amanda Knox
Vinnie Surmonde wrote: > > > And my exwife never did ANY housework...if we wanted clean clothesI did > > them. If we wanted clean dishes, I washed 'em. > > The point is that that is the exception -- becoming less so, but the > 'rule' (in this case, more common situation) is that housework