Well this is my feelings and not so humble opinion on all of these nice
topics, issues and metaissues. Ok, for one I think and feel this is the
right place to discuss these broad things. I mean especially such issues as
"if Steve makes a page that looks Babe-O-Rama pix to him, with with his
tastes
> Is this a new idea? You get the impression because it's a fact.
> Men are built this way, it's the whole nature thing.
Actually, I've noticed that some men who grew up somewhat isolated from
mainstream culture aren't that way. For instance, my boyfriend (who was
raised in a little town in Mic
At 09:25 AM 10/21/99 +0800, Deidre L. Calarco wrote:
>> Is this a new idea? You get the impression because it's a fact.
>> Men are built this way, it's the whole nature thing.
>
>Actually, I've noticed that some men who grew up somewhat isolated from
>mainstream culture aren't that way. For inst
Hi, Brendan,
> Again, I say.
> Try another community section if you don't like the one you're in.
> You don't go into the red light section of Las Vegas if you're looking for
> Chucky Cheese. Welcome to America.
What I'd like to say to you is rude and is a flame, so I'll tone it down. I
will s
Warning: a very long post indeed.
Ingrid Schupbach wrote:
>
> [...] If there
> really is a commitment to making Linux inviting to everyone,
I'm not sure if it has to be inviting to everyone. Nothing
ever is and same it is for Linux. The whole effort is
developer-driven and despite KDE and simil
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
>
> > I
> > believe there needs to be a change in the horny-male-geeks-only atmosphere
> > that's awfully pervasive. I'm tired of being asked whether I'm a
> > perky-breasted-Linux-chick, and I'm tired of endless references to penises
> > and to porn in L
Hello.
Quick introduction. My name is Alice, I'm a programmer (c/unix) and I'm
English.
This is with regard to recent posts about sexual images in the Linux
world.
I think my feelings are rooted in a childish "I don't want to be left
out".
I am all for freedom of speech - even hate mongering
> I think it's clearly related to the issue of sexism in Linux
> development circles, which I thought was a major reason for
> LinuxChix.org existing.
Quite. Issues is meant for meta-discussions such as these. If you want
purely technical talk, there's "techtalk", and for random "whatever"
conv
wow. hear hear.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Ingrid Schupbach
> > What about changing your nick?
>
> Changing my nick is not an option. I am proud of who I am; I am proud to
> be a female linux user. If it's true that women ge
Ingrid and AE:
Very well-spoken.
To me, the idea of changing your "nick" to stop sexist comments is bull.
Right on sistahs!
Naomi
At 12:52 PM 10/21/99 , you wrote:
>Hello.
>
>Quick introduction. My name is Alice, I'm a programmer (c/unix) and I'm
>English.
>
>This is with regard to rece
At 01:39 PM 10/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Ingrid and AE:
>
>Very well-spoken.
>To me, the idea of changing your "nick" to stop sexist comments is bull.
>Right on sistahs!
>
>Naomi
>
>
(took some good stuff out sigh:)
I agree why hide, why have to have no fun, no courage and even worse a dull
na
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> Warning: a very long post indeed.
heh. I'm glad to know I'm not the only person prone to those :)
> I'm not sure if it has to be inviting to everyone. Nothing
Hmm..maybe inviting is the wrong word -- how about 'not hostile'?
(BTW, ingrid, I don't mean
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> > > Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle. Just categorize the
> >
> >You've obviously never been to some of the quilting cirlce's I've been
>
> I guess I've lived a limited life.
Have you been to ANY quilting circle?
--
_Deirdre
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Ingrid Schupbach wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> > Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle.
(I deleted the original messages so I'm responding here)
That seems like a rather sexist remark. Not that quilters are primarily
women (I wouldn
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Dakota Surmonde wrote:
> see, I don't think nude='adult' (or sexual -- actually, I saw one of my
> favorite calvin and hobbes today -- the one where calvin is looking at
> the movie listings and asks hobbes " 'contains adult situations'? What
> are adult situations?" and hob
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> > then I
> > believe there needs to be a change in the horny-male-geeks-only atmosphere
> > that's awfully pervasive. I'm tired of being asked whether I'm a
> > perky-breasted-Linux-chick, and I'm tired of endless references to penises
> > and to porn in
http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/stories/1476.html
I certainly hope this is a joke.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
it's not meant as a joke, but for crying out loud, look at the source.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Blackjax
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 5:48 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [issues] How not to attract geeks
>
>
> h
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Blackjax wrote:
> I certainly hope this is a joke.
Well, consider the source.
--
wow, this is kinda nifty. the win98 protocol stack is
like a chinese finger puzzle, twist and turn in the right places,
and it pops right off --Seen on EFNet IRC
it's weekly world news, isn't that synonymous?
:)
Vinnie
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Blackjax wrote:
> http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/stories/1476.html
>
>
> I certainly hope this is a joke.
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
>
--
Reality is a formality, an agree
i've been trying to figure out how to explain why i find those screenshots
offensive, mostly just for my own edification, to understand better why it
offends me.
i've come up with an explanation that i'm happy with, and i hope that it
might help some of those who still don't "get it" to understan
Rikki McGinty wrote:
> it's not meant as a joke, but for crying out loud, look at the source.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> > Behalf Of Blackjax
> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 5:48 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [iss
does a theme not include a background image also?
my big pet peeve with themes is that they (often) cover the background
image intended to use with the theme, making it harder to know if i think
the theme would be cool or if i should just borrow the menu/icon styles
for use independently...
whe
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Blackjax wrote:
> http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/stories/1476.html
http://chickmagnet.org/for_the_ladies.htmlf
Since the main link is broken, here's the piece that does work. I have
always found this pretty hysterical, especially the line:
"After this point, you will nee
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, ae wrote:
> Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
> sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't, it's just
the same as with females (though I think more females than males will
u
> when a big ol' picture of a nekkid chick is on there, it is twice as
> perturbing... it would be just as perturbing if there were a big ol'
> picture of a nekkid man on there...
I can honestly say that I've never seen a theme, or a screenshot of a
theme, that includes photos of naked men or wom
ae wrote:
>> Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
>> sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
nils wrote:
> Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't, it's just
> the same as with females (though I think more females than males will
> und
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, ae wrote:
>
> > Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
> > sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
>
> Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't, it's just
> the same as
Haven't surfed through the themes lately... but the URLs that were passed
around here had scantily clad women on them. I suppose "nekkid
chick" should also be used to cover "scantily clad quite close to nude
chick".
I guess if those people (the theme makers in question) really do have porn
collec
Nils said:
>Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't,
...snip...
>it). Some people might consider your statement a rather sexist one,
don't
>you think? Just because a relevant share of males are chauvinist pigs,
>this doesn't mean that this is true for all males.
If you a
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, ae wrote:
>
> > Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
> > sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
>
> Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't,
It wasn't whether or no
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:40:31 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Ingrid Schupbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [issues] Screenshots
> Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> BEWARE! THE MESSAGE BELOW IS AN ANGRY RANT:
>
> I am fed-up with all these
I've goofed twice in this thread, for which I apologise.
1. I used 'older, wiser' - I intended 'more mature, wiser' in the sense of
'possessed of a greater maturity level'. Apology.
2. I was unclear with 'primarily interested in sex (or mate location)'. No,
I was not saying that are the same a
Steve Kudlak wrote:
> I even find curious
> that polite things like "Scientifc American" describe the looks of
> scientists who are women more than men.
YES!
> I mean
> "Does Linux Promotion have to look like a beer commercial for guys."
This is a serious question, and one which - IMO -
Ingrid Schupbach wrote:
> Further, I wanted to tell you that I emailed one gentleman who advertised
> his background-changing applet with screenshots replete with pin-ups.
> After a bit of email discussion, we decided that I would install his
> applet and send him pictures of my desktop.
Seems l
I just have to say this:
I deal with sexism, discrimination, injustice, etc. everyday at work.
I'm the only technicial female (and under 21) at my workplace where
only 8% of the staff are female (and most of them are secretaries).
The rest are old, crusty male engineers that don't know
Vinnie Surmonde wrote:
> > According to the /. readership reaction described on the
> > lists a while ago (I havent' read them myself) it is a
> > waste of time or effort to care about it.
>
> Well, to my knowledge they are a fairly good cross section of linux users.
> And geeks in general.
If
Excerpts from linuxchix: 21-Oct-99 Why I Find Those Screenshot.. by Neil
'. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> users. i've never actually looked at themes.org, except for the few urls
> posted to this list, but i believe the purpose of the site (or the
> screenshots area of the site, if there's more to the sit
ae wrote:
> But when it comes at me from a geek, that group that I finally thought I
> belonged to. When that place where I can reduce my guard and talk my
> mind, and sure, get challenged and argued with (thank god) but as a human
> being, when I see evidence of playground smut there, well it c
Neil ''Fred'' Picciotto wrote:
>
> but here's where the implied intended audience comes in. if LinuxUserA
> chooses as the sample file in gimp an image that is clearly designed for
> men to enjoy, then the screenshot tends to imply that the intended audience
> for that screenshot is male. now b
>raised in a little town in Michigan's upper peninsula) tends to see women as
>other people first, and as sex objects only as a secondary thing only if he
Good. We need more of them.
Brendan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
>there is
>no way I could ever get my little old church lady aunts to not comment
>about it. I mean I complained after they found a picture of a friend, his
Good post...but I'm so tired that halfway through reading it...I was
dropping off...
"snore...little old ladydroolsnorepictu
> > > According to the /. readership reaction described on the
> > > lists a while ago (I havent' read them myself) it is a
> > > waste of time or effort to care about it.
> >
> > Well, to my knowledge they are a fairly good cross section of linux users.
> > And geeks in general.
>
> If the linu
> > Try another community section if you don't like the one you're in.
> > You don't go into the red light section of Las Vegas if you're looking for
> > Chucky Cheese. Welcome to America.
>
>What I'd like to say to you is rude and is a flame, so I'll tone it down. I
>will say this: you are a
> > I guess I've lived a limited life.
>
>Have you been to ANY quilting circle?
Yes, actually. Quilting hurt my fingers...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
>"Yes, I *am* in technical support. No, there isn't somebody more
>knowledgeable you can talk to."
That stinks. But I know the feeling. For me, it has nothing to do with
gender. It's from the tone of voice...That vacant "I'm reading from a
script" kind of voice...
"Sir, load the cd-rom i
> My dad gave me some advice once on how to handle people that
>treated me differently because of who I was,"Screw 'em." If you
WaitI think I feel somethingyes...It's a smile.
Good post. More toughness instead of whininess.
Brendan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.l
>I've goofed twice in this thread, for which I apologise.
Don't worry about it. This thread is falling all over itself in its'
search to be the most PC possible. Just go with the flow.
B
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
> > I certainly hope this is a joke.
>
> Well, consider the source.
I just had to mention... I was at the grocery store this evening, and
happened to glance at the cover of this week's Weekly World News...
next to the "Why some women fall for nerds" headline was the declaration
that a massive a
>well, if you like Keanu Reeves or David Duchovny you can go down load
>the WindowMaker themes I created a few months ago. They're in the
>People category. If you like purple leporad skin, then the Duchovny
>one is a must have.
I find that to be a rather sexist remark!
*smile*
God, I can't s
> > > Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle.
>
>(I deleted the original messages so I'm responding here)
>
>That seems like a rather sexist remark. Not that quilters are primarily
>women (I wouldn't know) but that it is a traditional women's craft.
Ok, PC being taken too far.
That
> I find that to be a rather sexist remark!
>
> *smile*
> God, I can't stand people who just want to pretend they're as PC as
> possible. We need more nekkid men to even things up. No problem here.
neither theme has nekkid anything...
the keanu theme only shows his face... and the duchovny th
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> >That seems like a rather sexist remark. Not that quilters are primarily
> >women (I wouldn't know) but that it is a traditional women's craft.
>
> Ok, PC being taken too far.
> That seems like a rather "looking-for-a-fight" remark. Sometimes a ciga
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