Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 153, Issue 23

I don't know anything about an ILTO variant. But I *do* know that a popular marketing gimmick is to sell Li "racing" batteries to replace lead-acid vehicle batteries that only advertise an EQUIVALENT capacity. The ones I've measured have only 1/10 to 1/4 the actual amphour capacity of the lead-a

Re: [EVDL] Changing 12V Aux batteries in EVs intervals

> I'd say once it gets past the 4 year mark, it's worth replacing just for > peace of mind unless you have a way to test it. (Such as what Teslas do) I'm curious... what DO Teslas do to tend to their 12v batteries? -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James But it *does* require att

Re: [EVDL] Changing 12V Aux batteries in EVs intervals

High temperatures certainly shorten battery life. Even more so for ICEs where they usually put the battery under the hood next to the hot engine. It depends on the vehicle, but I have noticed that some vehicle's electrical systems have pretty poor charging algorithms. Worst case, it just "floats

Re: [EVDL] Changing 12V Aux batteries in EVs intervals

> I would not be surprised if it is almost dead. 5 years appears to be > about the standard runtime for most car accessory batteries. [I've had > the one in my Leaf and a Nissan Altima both die around that > timeframe..] Interesting. Maybe it has something to do with the quality of the battery, t

Re: [EVDL] Three Decades Ago, A Sleek Street-Legal Electric Car Drove 375 Miles On A Single Charge

Darryl McMahon wrote > We are seeing more and more advances in battery tech, range of EV models > and body types, increasing range and dropping prices, all of which is good in > spite of some seriously entrenched, vested interest opposition. Yes; all good. Progress! Maybe we are finally reaching t

Re: [EVDL] Three Decades Ago, A Sleek Street-Legal Electric Car Drove 375 Miles On A Single Charge

Nice article. It's good to see that the Sunrise isn't totally forgotten. Solectria had the right idea and the talent, but not the money to make it happen. The Sunrise (and EV-1) proved that EVs don't have to be monstrously heavy, and thus need huge expensive battery packs to be practical vehicl

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Senate bill would dump USPS EVs

Lawrence Winiarski wrote > Why bother with battery powered HVAC for scheduled service vehicles? > If you know the schedule, just preheat/precool some thermal mass. > Lots of mass in the batteries themselves and you can supplement that with > water. In the dark ages I did just that with lead-acid

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Senate bill would dump USPS EVs

Rod Hower wrote > What the F!!! is wrong with these people? Mail vehicles have always been > ideal for EV's with start-stop cycles. I entirely agree! Cuts like this are completely mindless. It's like Dilbert's pointy-haired boss has moved into government. > I guess if they are cheap enough I

Re: [EVDL] Shunt measurement in cheapo consumer battery monitors

One additional comment: If measuring amphours is important, the E-meter / Link-10 / Link-Lite is the way to go. They have an exceptionally accurate circuit for measuring the voltage across the shunt to determine current. A shunt is basically just a precision resistor. A typical shunt has a volta

Re: [EVDL] Another Dumb Electrical Code Change Could Ban DIY EV Charger Installs

So the NFPA voted on this on Friday. Did they drop the clause, or leave it in? -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James But it *does* require attention to detail! -- Lee Hart -- Lee A. Hart https://www.sunrise-ev.com -Original Message- Subject: [EVDL] Another Dumb Electrica

Re: [EVDL] Shunt measurement in cheapo consumer battery monitors

Lawrence Winiarski wrote: > I'm looking for a cheapo consumer battery monitor... There are multimeters with isolated RS-232 or USB outputs. For example, the Tenma 72-7735 (approx $50). Anything the meter can measure will be output on its serial port. I have two; one made by Alfa, and the other

Re: [EVDL] charging a leaf 120 invertor

-Phil_ wrote: > Note that most 12v inverters are horribly efficient, so you'll be wasting > probably about 20% of the power as heat in the inverter, battery, and > wiring. Small cheap inverter efficiency is usually poor, but big ones (1KW or more) are generally fairly good; otherwise heat produc

Re: [EVDL] Proposed 2026 code requires "qualified" persons for EV charger installation

No; but there's a 14-50 receptacle in a weatherproof box for the hot tub on our patio. My garage also has a 14-50 for a welder, and two NEMA 6-15 (240v 15a) receptacles for electric heaters. So there are plenty of use cases for outdoor 240v receptacles besides EV charging. -- Excellence does not

Re: [EVDL] BB600 continued...

I too have a set of BB600 cells. I plan to put them in my GE Electrak garden tractor. It has a plow and gets used in c-c-cold Minnesota winters. -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James But it *does* require attention to detail! -- Lee Hart -- Lee A. Hart https://www.sunrise-ev.co

Re: [EVDL] BB600 continued...

(-Phil-) wrote: > It just seems like all this effort for these old NiCds is silly when > LFP prices, even with the current added tariffs, are so low. > > What's your time worth? Aye, laddie. :-) But John already *has* these nicads. Use what ye got before ye buy more? -- Excellence does not requi

Re: [EVDL] Stale Charge

> My little lightbar only draws about 1A at 36v. (possibly less) > I could try hooking up my big lightbar to do the initial drawdown. Nicads are only about 1.3v/cell. I've used bridge rectifiers as load resistors for balancing. Two diodes in series are about a 1.3v drop. They have the advantage

Re: [EVDL] Lee Hart's Battery Balancer Relay Boards

> I've been cleaning up my shop and have Lee Hart's 4- Battery Balancer relay > board Rev.2 that I want > to pass on. Never been used, I was going to set up an EV with 36 6V Trojans, > but obviously never did. I still have Battery Balancer control boards in case anyone needs one. I have bare bo

Re: [EVDL] Battery Straps

> And don't solder the braid into the copper pipe. Just wack the sh*t out of > the pipe > onto the braid, you want the 2 copper metals to become homogeneous, on metal. I'm not sure that's a good idea. I rather doubt you can apply enough pressure to cold-weld the copper with just a hammer. I hav

Re: [EVDL] Battery Straps

I'm using flat copper buss bars, each 1" wide by 1/16" thick. They are bent to have a slight "hill" in the center so as not to stress the terminals if the cells move a bit. -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James But it *does* require attention to detail! -- Lee Hart -- Lee A. H

Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: Blank Slate

The Slate and Telo both seem to me like a step in the right direction. I drive a 2010 Chevy Colorado (successor to the S-10) which has a 6' bed, crank-up windows, no NAV or infotainment system, etc. and can carry 4'x8' sheets (though with the tailgate down). It's exactly what I wanted, but unava

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Charge faster than filling a fuel tank?

> Note that with a buffer pack (BESS) the grid just sees the average power > of what you expect of a DCFC station, so the main issue is to get the > power into the car without burning up the cables or contacts. Maybe it's time to reconsider having quick-change battery packs, like they've done for

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Charge faster than filling a fuel tank?

Lawrence Winiarski wrote: > Maybe for vehicles with close enough voltages, all that's necessary is to > connect the packs together to equalize them? In fact, fast charging has been done this way by EV racers and hobbyists. The internal resistance of the batteries themselves handles most of the v

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US GSA in reverse on EVs

What a wonderful opportunity for Musk! Now he can write a contract to replace all those expensive stodgy postal EVs with Cybertrucks. -- "If the story doesn't make sense, follow the money" -- The Cardinal Rule of Investigative Journalism -- Lee A. Hart https://www.sunrise-ev.com

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 148, Issue 1

> Has everyone quit building their own evs? I haven't. I've been building them since the 1970's. :-) Current projects are finishing up installing lithiums in my Lectric Leopard (LeCar) EV, repairing a Solectria Force, and continuing to work on the Sunrise EV2. I also have a couple GE Electraks

Re: [EVDL] fast charge 2012 leaf / 40kw battery

As an aside, how does one get a 40KW pack in a 2012 Leaf? The dealers won't do it. DIY? Is some outfit in CA doing it? -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James But it *does* require attention to detail! -- Lee Hart -- Lee A. Hart https://www.sunrise-ev.com __

Re: [EVDL] EV $7500 tax credit on the chopping block.

> NONE of the Legacy car makers are making a profit on their [EVs] It's going to be hard to decipher whether EVs are profitable or not for the big automakers, unless you're a CPA and willing to dig really deep into their accounting. Their public announcements are "spin doctored" to suit whatever

Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen trains

In the heyday of the all-electric Pennsylvania Railroad, a train going down a mountain regenerated power back into the lines to power another train coming up the mountain. I played a lot with electric trains in my deformative youth. One of my fond childhood memories was a family vacation out ea

Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen trains

> Well, your comparison is kind of unfair. I'd have a corded car if it were > stationary. Here's a story about a man who never needed to recharge his EV. :-) https://sunrise-ev.com/poems/nocharge.htm -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James But it *does* require attention to det

Re: [EVDL] EVs keep on trucking

> The EU generally requires no daily total greater than 9 hours and breaks > of at least 15 minutes every 4.5 hours max... > > US drivers are allowed up 14 hours per day and cannot exceed 8 hours > without a break... Honestly, I don't know how 14 hours can be considered safe. Ah, but who said "sa

Re: [EVDL] 48 volts - (was: Cybertruck)

>> On aircraft, 28 volts (24 volts) has been the standard low voltage forever. >> It is the standard on specialized military vehicles and equipment as well. Also in large trucks and buses. > "42 volts" is the threshold for "low voltage" in the US National Electrical > Code, but as I recall, that

Re: [EVDL] Are you NACS-charging a non-Tesla

Rush wrote: > The J1772 Spec from the 2017 SAE Standard states - > > Table 9 - AC charging electrical ratings (North America) > AC Level 2 208 to 240 V AC, 1-phase ≤ 80 A Per NEC 625 > > So your 245VAC may not be safe for some EV's Rush, isn't this the nominal voltage? Voltage ratings usually incl

Re: [EVDL] Tesla idle power draw

Both vehicles will turn off the headlights (or radio or dome light etc.) if left on for more than ~15 minutes. But... both had 12v accessory outlets that remained *on* when the car was off. Leaving a cellphone charger or other gadget plugged into them *would* run the battery down. Or, just leav

Re: [EVDL] Tesla idle power draw

Phil wrote: > If you are going to routinely leave any car, EV or not, parked without > attention for more than 2 weeks routinely, I advise a 12v battery switch > be installed on the negative lead. That's good advice, with one caveat. Some cars have standard-equipment anti-theft systems that must

Re: [EVDL] Used EVs

It's also worth looking for off-lease EVs being sold by the big car rental companies. A guy in Minneapolis/St. Paul just purchased a 2022 Polestar for $10,000. -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James But it *does* require attention to detail! -- Lee Hart -- Lee A. Hart https://w

Re: [EVDL] Fwd: Pre-charge for charger?

Precharging isn't as simple as it first appears. Here are a few things off the top of my head: Precharge circuits *must* used DC-rated parts with an appropriate voltage rating. An AC-rated switch, relay, or fuse will fail *on*! If the switch or relay fails "on", the precharge resistor can overh

Re: [EVDL] Charging Port Locations

> Although the Bolt says no towing, guess I’m always voiding warranties. That's the spirit, Mark! :-) Loose the screws, cut the cable. Take it apart as best you're able. Void the warranty, hack the code. Reuse, rewire, rebuild, reload! Lee Hart ___ A

Re: [EVDL] EV efficiency argument.

> Stupid arguments on both sides... Indeed, both sides danced around the key points. ICEs get *all* of their fuel from fossil fuels. EVs only get about 60% of their fuel from fossil fuels (current percentage in the US). Electric generating plants are about twice as efficient as ICE engines. Eve

Re: [EVDL] DC motor isolation issues

> So, about the only way to really clean the motors would be > to submerge them, and run them at low speed while submerged. I don't think it's that bad, John. In all my years using brushed motors, all I have had to do is blow out the dust every few years with compressed air, and everything was

Re: [EVDL] AC Power export for Teslas

That warranty statement sound like a case of runaway lawyer syndrome. They put in language that isn't justifiable, necessary , or even reasonable just to provide a way to disallow warranty coverage if you do something they don't like. The way it's worded, even leaving your cellphone on charge wh

Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf modules installation VIVAN Chinese company

Mark Hanson wrote: > A friend who can’t get the stealership to install a battery replacement > 2016 Leaf > under warranty (expires in August) wants to order this $12k VIVAN company > battery and DIY... Aren't there also ways to find used "salvage" packs from wrecked Leafs? As I recall, Cor van d

[EVDL] Polestar 2 EV

I got to see my first Polestar 2 EV today. The owner lives in Minneapolis, but was visiting friends here in Sartell MN (about 75 miles away). He loves it! The controls seem a lot more "normal" than Tesla's. The car is sold and serviced by Volvo. Apparently some rental agencies are dumping used

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta

David Heacock wrote: > Cool. I always thought the idea was to reduce or eliminate the "pollutants" > coming out the tail pipe? Is there now only one acceptable way to do that? I quite agree. Our civilization seems addicted to the "monoculture" plan; giant corporations making the same things for

Re: [EVDL] Pros and cons

My understanding is that substantial legal barriers have been erected by the US automakers to discourage foreign competition. Cars have to meet US safety and emission standards, have US-approved lights, glass, brakes, tires, seatbelts, and other items. It doesn't matter if the car has already me

Re: [EVDL] Experiences with Cells from newpriusbatteries.com?

Phil wrote: > The older Prius hybrid powertrain makes a poor EV, as you can only achieve a top speed of about 50mph/80kph before the efficiency is super poor, and you are limited to about 20kW of EV power by the boost-converter architecture. I'm really surprised anyone would be interested in it tod

Re: [EVDL] Contactor recomendations?

John, these are all good suggestions for what might be causing the failures (coil snubber, operating contacts under load, etc.) But have you done any post-mortem on the failed contactors to see how they actually failed? Perhaps I missed it; but was it the coil or the contacts that failed? Are th

Re: [EVDL] Fwd: NACS to CCS Adapter - Vortex Plug - 500A, 1000V — Lectron EV

The paranoid engineer in my wonders... will any of this super-complex over-techie stuff still work in 10 years? Will there be any chance that it will be repairable? -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James -- Lee A. Hart https://www.sunrise-ev.com ___

Re: [EVDL] 46 Pure EVs for sale, Teslas competition.

Rush via EV wrote: >> I think that anybody having any knowledge of how a business is conducted >> would say that 'yes, profit is a good thing'. David Roden wrote: > Let's restore the context: > > As I understood it, and someone correct me if this is wrong, the original > Tesla "master plan" was to

Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments

Hi Ed. Thank you for your kind comments! I'll admit my post was a bit tongue in cheek; but my basic point remains. People tend to be lazy, and take the easy way out. If you provide them with that easy way too soon, they are disinclined learn the basic principles of the subject at hand. They won'

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hitting the brakes on EVs

> Twenty-five US state attorneys general are suing the US EPA > over requiring CO2 reductions. One claims that the EPA rules > will "sacrifice the American auto industry." Sounds like 2000, when the federal government overturned California's Zero Emission mandate. That's when all the automakers a

Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments

> Maybe the FSD starts taking more risks too...because the Tesla > Overlords decide they like it that way and they want to test their > new more edgy aggressive modes. Maybe tailgating, or speeding, > or passingall because FSD is just so much "better" than humans. Aha! Let's start testing FS

Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments

Guilty... I'm one of those "slow" drivers that generally drives at (or below) the speed limit. I often follow trucks at night or in bad weather, so I'm not the one that hits the deer or something else in the road that I can't see. FSD is technically impressive; but I wonder about the unintended

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments

> I am with you John but at some point they take away your license. > What then? Friend, relatives, taxi, bus? A self driving car could > allow independence longer. Ah, but will someone without a driver's license be *allowed* to drive a fully self driving car? Lee -- Excellence does not require

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments

Science fiction writer Ron Goulart loves to put examples of rogue technology in his stories, usually in humorous circumstances. One relevant example is where a guy comes out of the bar, and finds his car won't let him in. Man: "Unlock the door, Ai." Car: "Drinking again, I see." Man: "What? Open

Re: [EVDL] Import EV [Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.]

Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > If anyone figures out how to import an EV, please let me know. There may be other loopholes as well. I bought my ComutaVan as scrap from a junkyard. I got it inspected and re-titled it as an "assembled electric vehicle". It was fully roadworthy; not an NEV. The only

Re: [EVDL] '91 BMW 318i conversion to electric

Hi Bill. Welcome to the EV Discussion List! Converting a car can be as big or as small a project as you like. I've been driving and converting EVs since the 1970's, and been on the EVDL a long time. I've seen everything from $1000 conversions with cheap surplus parts, to $100k conversions that

Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.

And to point out what a geezer I am, my cars have (gasp) CD or cassette tape players. On long lonely drives in the midwest, I listen to audio books or old classics on them. -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James -- Lee A. Hart https://www.sunrise-ev.com ___

Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.

Agreed. I only have a cheap pay-as-you-go phone ($99 a year). I only use it for calls or texts. If I used it like most people, I'd be paying $99 a month for all that "free" data. The AM and FM radio in my Leaf works just fine, and is free to use. Lee -- Excellence does not require perfection. -

Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.

> In the era of streaming any am or fm radio station, radio reception ability > is almost mute. > A simple portable radio hooked to a Bluetooth transmitter is all you need, if > you can't stream. Maybe for some people. But I happen to like listening to an actual radio, without having to subscri

Re: [EVDL] OT Solar Electrical Issues (was: Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array)

Cor van de Water wrote: > my garage has a GFCI circuit. As a consequence, I cannot use > my garage to do any development work, because as soon as > I plug in one of my HP power supplies, even before I turn it on, > the heavy capacitive filtering on the AC line will trip the GFCI > because it indeed

Re: [EVDL] OT Solar Electrical Issues (was: Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array)

Phil wrote: > no conductor is ever over about 160v peak-to-peak with respect to ground I agree, but with one little nit to pick. My AC line voltage is normally 120vac, and varies from about 115v to 124v depending on the current grid loading. The peak of 124vac is actually 170v; a situation that

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: No Apple EV

> The Briefing > By Martin Peers > > Maybe Apple should cancel multibillion-dollar projects more often! Shares of > the iPhone maker, which have fallen since the start of the year, rose nearly > 1% Tuesday after Bloomberg scooped the news that Apple had canned Project > Titan, its decade-old au

Re: [EVDL] Was Tesla Designed in California? :-/ - Fixed Cold Weather Frunk Hood Latch Stuck

On cold-testing cars... I grew up in Michigan, at a time when the US auto industry was king. Friends of mine worked for various automakers. They each had huge environmental test chambers that could be adjusted for anything from -40 deg.F deep freezes to 140 deg.F deserts, howling winds, blizzar

Re: [EVDL] Tesla preconditioning, regen disabled and charging in cold weather

-- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James -- Lee A. Hart https://www.sunrise-ev.com -Original Message- (-Phil-) wrote: > No, if the battery is at 60F it's simply not going to be able to run the > reactions needed to charge. The minimum temp for full speed supercharging is

Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas, for gas cars | Reuters

Anyone who has driven a Ford model T can certainly attest to the challenges of having all the controls in the "wrong" locations. (OK, the steering wheel is the same as modern cars; but nothing else). The early EVs also had considerably different controls. How about tiller steering? :-) The til

Re: [EVDL] Battery Testers

Hi Peter, Do you know what kind of batteries are in these Ryobi packs? I have old ones that are Nicad, and newer ones that are Lithium. It makes a big difference in how to approach rejuvenating them! Nicad: If the pack is below a certain voltage, the charger won't even try to charge it. Try to

Re: [EVDL] Tesla Slipping

I keep thinking (and fearing) that the auto industry will start using the "cheap printer and expensive ink" model. In the early 1900's, Henry Ford observed, "If I owned the gas stations, I'd *give* the cars away." So what happens if an auto company begins offering cheap or free cars, but only a

Re: [EVDL] OFF TOPIC Re: EV's not a green success.

Gail Donaldson Lucas wrote: > David, I am laughing remembering the generator on the wheel > and the windmill on hood. There was a plan for running on water > too, wish I had saved all that valuable info. Ya hey sure ya betcha! Why, I remember a guy that put a generator on the wheel of his EV, and

Re: [EVDL] Ram truck hybrid

Peri Hartman wrote: > With electric vehicle sales growth slowing, Stellantis Ram brand has an > answer: > An onboard charger [meaning a hybrid system]. > > As a purist, as I suspect many EVDL members are, I view this as a setback. > However, in general it's probably a good thing because it will m

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

Michael Ross wrote: > All the comments on this thread have failed to actually understand > what he is talking about, or even watch it, seemingly. I watched it, and think I do understand his point. Our high-tech society is using up huge amounts of resources for quick and easy short-term gains. It

Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

Paul Dove wrote: > We’ve had battery powered lawn equipment for over 10 years now > and they still sell gasoline versions. We will never go 100% EV. No; it will never be 100%. But it could easily reach 50% or even more within our lifetimes. Longer term, it may well get very close to 100% EV. 100

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

> Gloom and doom... wow. Innovation breeds innovation! > Of course based on what we see today things are impossible. > But with each step forward the creative juices flow. So true! Part of the problem is that our "leaders" are actually followers. They follow the polls, they follow the money, they

Re: [EVDL] EV charger placement [bp orders $100 million worth of Tesla EV chargers]

Peri Hartman wrote: > I'll give my opinion on where EV charges should be located... Chargers need > to be located where people can usefully spend some time. That may be at the > grocery, a shopping center, a park, highway rest areas, a walkable > neighborhood, a tourist destination, for example. A

Re: [EVDL] 'Facts' about EV's debunked

Ron wrote: >> I am afraid that "not in my lifetime" is one of the reasons we are in this >> mess in the first place... > That is the main reason I switched from trying to convince people to pay > attention to the problems we're creating to trying to just get people to think > beyond themselves an

Re: [EVDL] 'Facts' about EV's debunked

-- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James -- Lee A. Hart http://www.sunrise-ev.com -Original Message- From: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Oct 29, 2023 10:22 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: EV List Lackey Subject: Re: [EVDL] 'Facts' about EV's debunk

Re: [EVDL] Tesla-Y KWH Efficiency

Tesla probably has a lot more tricks up its sleeve than just aerodynamics and motor/controller efficiency. The old DC series motors and controllers were each about 90% efficient; so about 80% overall. Tesla's combined motor and controller have improved that to perhaps 90%; but that's only a 10

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Wait - what? MORE labor hours?

It's going to be incredibly difficult to find *real* numbers. For one thing, carmakers outsource the production of a great many components and subassemblies. There will be no way to account for the labor the subcontractors put into these assemblies. For another, all cars (EVs and ICEs alike)

Re: [EVDL] Expensive batteries

EV List Lackey via EV wrote: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-owners-bill-battery-damaged-ev- scotland-weather-2023-10 or https://v.gd/yIsSe4 Ouch. That price, $21k, seems a tad pricey. Regrettably the article is sorely lacking in detail... One solution for the EV owner is leasing the b

Re: [EVDL] Right to Repair Tesla vs Aptera

David Heacock via EV wrote: ...Tesla seems to think they own the vehicle even after they sell it to the customer. ...a lot of talk about customer right to repair [but then block their ability to do so] It isn't just Tesla. All manufacturers are doing it. This just illustrates the tactics of

Re: [EVDL] EV Distance Record Smashed

Alan Arrison via EV wrote: 100 miles on 1kWh? What are you smoking? I'm pretty sure even an electric bicycle can't do that. No; think about it. A bicycle goes about 15 mph. 100 miles / 15 mph takes 6.66 hours. 1 KWH is 150 watts for 6.66 hours. Lots of Ebikes have 200 watt motors. With hard

Re: [EVDL] EV Distance Record Smashed

EV List Lackey via EV wrote: I managed to find the article... Top speed 42 km/h, Weight 170kg For comparison, in 1987 the GM Sunraycer won the World Solar Challenge - all energy from the sun... Top speed 109 km/h, Weight 177 kg. These - and many others over the decades -

Re: [EVDL] (EVDL)EV charging is changing

Collin Kidder via EV wrote: my biggest problem with things like the Aptera is really safety. All other things being equal, safety in a crash comes down to energy transfer. And, energy is a function of mass and speed. That's true, but all things are *not* equal. Fatality rates are a function n

Re: [EVDL] (EVDL)EV charging is changing

Michael Ross via EV wrote: Boy, would I like this to work. I must say that, on vehicle solar charging seems to me a marketing strategy, not a useful design feature. I agree. Their numbers sound like best-case marketing claims, rather than typical-use cases. ...1000 watts per square meter ..

Re: [EVDL] Level 2 on road charging complications

Mark Hanson via EV wrote: ... Seems nowadays with credit card readers this messy charging process could be a *whole* lot simpler. How is it that we can shop anywhere, and have no trouble paying with any of half a dozen methods. Yet to charge an EV, there are all these artificial hoops we have

Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing

Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: Level 2 charging is trivial and inexpensive if you have a 240 outlet close to your vehicle. A Tesla portable EVSE is $230. j1772 adapter from Tesla is $60.00. This setup will connect most EVs to the grid. Exactly! So why is this never mentioned in any public di

Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing

EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: One of the reasons why parking meters went to CC systems is the fact that they were continuously broken into and were more costly to maintain since they needed someone to empty them of the change. It's depressing to see how the future is developing. Like the Grateful

Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing

John Lussmyer via EV wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if charging points would accept cash?  There'd be no need for them to phone home for ID card verification or for credit card approval. Just shovel in some cash and charge, like parking at a parking meter. And have the machines broken off their sta

Re: [EVDL] Dielectric Grease on Connectors

Mark E. Hanson via EV wrote: I've been using 3M dielectric grease on all outside (weather exposed) connectors (solar panels) and light bulb sockets since I was knee-high to a grasshopper (after seeing it used on automotive/boating connectors). What would be a good lubricant for charging connecto

Re: [EVDL] HV cable suppliers

Dave Lagzdin via EV wrote: From time to time I need HV shielded cable typically 50 or 70mm 1/0 2/0. Looking for more suppliers, ones that respool as I don't need that much 50-100 ft at a time. I've made my own by buying shielding braid, and slipping it over the wire or cable as needed. For exa

Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Home built solar vehicle

(-Phil-) via EV wrote: I'd hardly call this a "Solar powered" vehicle. The single 225w panel on there isn't going to contribute much range when he's maxing out that 1kW hub motor. His pack is so small that he can't bank the extra range when he's not driving, again, he'd probably be better off m

Re: [EVDL] Home built solar vehicle

Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: Home built solar vehicle, step by step video. Cyber ish. Thanks for the link, Lawrence. That is an impressive home-built project! His fabrication skills are remarkable. It won't match the efficiency and performance of a Lightyear o

Re: [EVDL] our own John f-250 conversion featured on YouTube.

Ryan Fulcher via EV wrote: John, did you see this yet: https://youtu.be/f0DX5uzfUqQ Hey, that's really cool! Congratulations John, on a great EV conversion! Lee -- Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing th

Re: [EVDL] EV Grin doubled, next level PV Aptera grins.

John Lussmyer via EV wrote: People would also need to be willing to accept the crash safety level of a motorcycle. I don't think it's nearly that bad. Many small and light ICE vehicles have nevertheless passed crash test standards and had excellent safety records. It just requires that the de

Re: [EVDL] EV Grin doubled, next level PV Aptera grins.

Ryan Fulcher via EV wrote: I absolutely understand and am of the mind to still proclaim that PV on a normal car is still impractical. The only reason it works on the Aptera [and other super-efficient vehicles] is that it has the aerodynamics and efficiency of an electrathon. I agree. A normal

Re: [EVDL] Which sex buys more EVs?

David Nelson wrote: hill. Locking the brakes prevents it from being towed or pushed. And that was the problem! I get locking them when the car shuts off, they had issues with a weak parking pawl mount in the gear box, so I think this is why they defaulted to activating the parking brake automa

Re: [EVDL] Which sex buys more EVs?

Peri Hartman via EV wrote: So, if most of the electronics and servos are powered from the 12V battery, why can't a jumper cable from another car give enough energy to operate those things, including the parking brake ? That's a good idea. It would probably work, too! One of my early EV conver

Re: [EVDL] Tires

Thos True via EV wrote: Hi Lee, An option that might be worth considering would be to check wrecking yards for 14' or 15" wheels with the same bolt pattern. Ah, but the LeCar has 3-bolt rims. The French carmakers Renault and Citroen are the only ones I know of that uses 3-bolt rims. Finding th

Re: [EVDL] Tires

Many thanks to Cor van de Water, David Roden, -Phil_, and Mr. Sharkey for your tire suggestions! Tire Rack and Discount Tire have the Kumho 155/80R13 in stock (for online order), so that's what I may go with. But I forwarded your suggestions to the buyer, and we'll see what he wants. Lee -- T

Re: [EVDL] Cell Tower Interference

Bill Dube via EV wrote: I agree with Phil. I also doubt that cell towers are the root cause of your issue. I agree; cell phones operate at GHz frequencies, which is highly unlikely to affect any EV electronics. However, wherever they put cell towers, they may also put *other* radio service

[EVDL] Tires

A recent comment reminded me: I need new tires for my Lectric Leopard (Renault LeCar) EV. Stock size is 145/80R13, but 155/80R13 also fit. The rims are 4.5" wide, so a wide profile tire isn't a good fit. I'm finding it difficult to find any 13" tires, let alone low rolling resistance ones. Yet

Re: [EVDL] White House welcomes Tesla to take advantage of federal dollars for chargers

Jay Summet wrote: So I would expect the SAE and other national standards groups to have more influence than any single company, as they typically represent a broad swath of the industry. Marco Gaxiola wrote: The interesting part here is that 'the broad swath of the industry' now, in the US and

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