In the heyday of the all-electric Pennsylvania Railroad, a train going down a 
mountain regenerated power back into the lines to power another train coming up 
the mountain.

I played a lot with electric trains in my deformative youth. One of my fond 
childhood memories was a family vacation out east, where I got to see *real* 
electric trains in action. Seeing and hearing the mighty GG1 locomotive in 
action was an amazing experience.

Yes, there are all sorts of alternative ways to run a railroad. Alas, 
innovation seems to be a dirty word in the US. "We've always done it this way" 
is the sacred motto of Big Business.

Lee
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Sent: Nov 19, 2024 5:44 AM
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Cc: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiar...@yahoo.com>, Lawrence Rhodes 
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen trains

As I was describing the energy use, It takes a heck of a lot more energy for a 
train to get up the mountains than it does to go on the flats, and then the 
otherthing is you could in theory provide a lot of energy when you are going 
downhill.
Perhaps if you wanted to have a fully electric locomotive maybe it might be 
useful (at least in the beginning) to only electrify the mountain areas?   That 
might start the process.  
These all electric locomotives could shuttle back and forth as "helper" 
locomotives.    Go up the mountains.  Disconnect...and wait for the next train 
that is going down and
provide "brakes"/regen into the grid on the way down.       Then as you said, 
you'd only need a limited amount of batteries probably to change direction and 
stuff...



On Monday, November 18, 2024 at 02:58:59 PM PST, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

I think batteries would only be needed to pass stalled vehicles or sections of 
track without power. Lawrence Rhodes
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