Re: Stus-List Sextant

Interesting stuff. FWIW, it's now common practice for broadcasters, telephone companies and other organisations to set their master time systems from a GPS receiver rather than the old method of using a WWV short wave receiver. Now, if I could just figger out how to get up in the morning Ri

Re: Stus-List Sextant

Check out: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_rotation Interesting stuff. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-01-28, at 0:39, Antoine Rose wrote: Back to your original question. For every moment of every day, the sun is at the zenith somewhere on the earth. Since the earth rotation

Re: Stus-List Sextant

Is it not common knowledge that the sun essentially remains fixed for all intents and purposes and the earth does the moving? Do sextants work in the southern hemisphere? Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...

Re: Stus-List C&C 99

David What do you wish to know about the 99? Our frioends have a 2008 model and I have sailed on it many many times and know the boat well. Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:4

Re: Stus-List Sextant

dwight veinot wrote: Is it not common knowledge that the sun essentially remains fixed for all intents and purposes and the earth does the moving? Do sextants work in the southern hemisphere? Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS ---

Re: Stus-List C&C 99

David The 99 has a few variations. The most common and most recent being 5.5 ft draft carbon fibre mast. Initially the boat had a deeper draft keel and aluminum mast. A very very small number had the deeper keel and carbon fibre mast and a number are the 5.5 ft keel with aluminum mast. I beli

Re: Stus-List Handicap review

Tim, With a 135 and furler I'm rated at 129 on the Chesapeake. (123 w/o furler) I haven't raced enough to comment of fairness. Jake may be able to chime in. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Tim Goodyear wrote: > Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association is planning to revi

Re: Stus-List Sextant

Just to clarify. The only GPS satellites that are in geosynchronous orbit are the ones that provide WAAS correction data. The ones used to generate a position fix are not in geosynchronous orbit. The constellation of about 24 GPS satellites orbits at about 12,600 miles and these are not in equato

Re: Stus-List Sextant

>> >My understanding is that the sextant measures the angle between the Moon or >Sun and the horizon.  If you're careful reading the solar or lunor tables >it gives you the latitude where you are.  Longitude is something else.  I >know it requires a good timepiece, but how does one convert the time

Re: Stus-List C&C 99

Hi Mike- Thanks for the extensive review. Everything I have read and heard about the boat makes me think that one is in my future. It is precisely the size and characteristics I was looking for, and it particularly appeals to my sense of karma after my happy experience with my previous C&C (an

Re: Stus-List C&C 99

The pole can be used as a bowsprit if desired when using asym spinnaker. As it is 10% longer than J when the mast track is lowered fully and pole is attached it acts like a short sprit. This is how my friends sail their asym spin some times. no idea about a 99 with a sprit. teh 101 seems to be

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Heck, you can get your exact time from a broken watch TWICE a day… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Rick Brass wrote: > Actually you get exact time from your GPS 8 times each day.

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Yes, that's common knowledge; but the process of doing celestial navigation actually presumes that the earth (or your location on it) is fixed, and the sun is doing the moving. Here's one of the more concise books on the topic: http://www.amazon.com/Celestial-Navigation-Yachtsmen-Mary-Blewitt/

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.and also remember, a chronometer doesn't keep the "correct" time, it keeps the "same" time.  A certified chronometer will lose or gain the same amount every day. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA > > From: Frederick G Street >To: cnc-list@cnc-list

Re: Stus-List Sextant

Was the sextant invented before we knew the difference? Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: January 28, 2013 10:45 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: S

Re: Stus-List Sextant

I don't think so - but the sextant was far from the first celestial navigation tool. In real life electricity flows from - to + in copper wire, but we all work with the idea it goes + to - with no issues. The math is the same whichever body is actually moving for sun sights. Joe Della Barba Fr

Re: Stus-List Sextant

The sextant is comparable to a hand saw and chisel these days, but as pointed out, the use and study of celestial nav allows one to understand the whole concept of nav with celestial objects, which is the basis of GPS.  In the case of GPS, the celestial objects are manmade satellites.RonWild Che

Re: Stus-List Sextant

You *could* get a fix with a sextant from the GPS satellites if you could see them. I am not sure, but they might be too small to pick up with the naked eye. You can see the ISS if the sun hits it right. You could get an LOP from that if anyone worked out a table for it. *in real life, even if t

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Popular convention versus what's correct.I understand a little about the math: just been too cold here lately and I've been inside way tooo much I always figured a score of 0% was equal to a score of 100% on multiple choice questions.it takes just as much knowledge to get them all wrong.I coul

Re: Stus-List C&C 99

It appears the built in sprit was an option on the 99 and at least one of the boats on yachtworld has that installed. Dave On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: > The pole can be used as a bowsprit if desired when using asym spinnaker. As > it is 10% longer than J when the mast track

Re: Stus-List Sextant

One thing about GPS is that the system is under the direct control of the U.S. military. They might decide to mess with it if there was an operational reason for doing so. More remote possibilities would be damage to the system from solar activity or electromagnetic pulse from an atomic bomb abov

Re: Stus-List Sextant

This is theoretically possible, but they would be very fast moving compared to natural celestial objects and you would need ephemeris data for them. Your timing would have to be very precise, but hey all that is exactly what GPS does :-) Eric Haberfellner cnc-list@cnc-list.com writes: >You *could

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Whether you treat the earth as moving around the sun, or vice versa, it's just a change of coordinate system.As frequently done in physics, sometimes a change of coordinates makes an equation easier, or makes visualization easier.   Remember changing from cartesian to polar to simplify some probl

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Rich, for the telephone companies (if they still use the TDM technology), the issue is not the correct time, but that the time is well synchronised (they don't care so much about what time it is, but that it is the same). For that, the GPS time base is quite adequate. Marek C&C 24 Fennel in Ot

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Greeks and Arabs were aware of a round earth back in 400BC.After the Greek epicycle fiasco, they probably figured out about the earth rotating about the sun.Given the Arabs early knowledge of navigation, they might well have known this also but Europe didn't always have knowledge of their early

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Obviously, this must be winter and we have nothing better to talk about... What Eric described applies to 2D position (assuming (which not that far of) that the Earth is a sphere. Most GPS receivers require 4 satellite fixes to calculate the position (the 4th one gives you the error (the accurac

Re: Stus-List Sextant

Yes. I was talking about 2D position (which is what sailors are most interested in). In a 3D space 4 satellites (or more) are needed. For 2D using the earth itself as the fourth sphere is a simplifying assumption (it is round enough for purposes of practical navigation). For aviators and astrogat

Re: Stus-List Sextant

The idea that Europeans thought the Earth was flat until the 15th century is one of the great myths of modern history, apparently invented and perpetuated by some 19th century writers. It’s a fascinating story about how it actually made it into history books. I have a book somewhere that tells

Re: Stus-List Sextant

Antoine To try to understand your post I had to learn about azimuth, nadir, ephemeris, sight reduction tables, etc. And I am not sure what chart would be needed. But do I understand that the sextant is useless in the fog…that’s exactly when I most need nav aids…in the fog I don’t have a s

Re: Stus-List Handicap review

On the Chesapeake, the J30 is 141, the 30-1 is 174 and the J29 MHOB is 111. We are usually a light air venue. Gary 30-1 - Original Message - From: Tim Goodyear To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:55 AM Subject: Stus-List Handicap review Eastern Conn

Re: Stus-List C&C 99

I sail on a J-80 and have sailed on a Melges 24. These are a bit different than a heavier boat (gets into planing rather quickly), but from a crew standpoint, I think the sprit and asym are great. First, you don't have to leave the cockpit to fly it. Pull the line to get the pole out, then pul

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Actually Dwight, The sextant does have uses in coastal cruising. It can be used to calculate the apparent height of known objects on shore to calculate distance. It can also be used to measure the angle between known objects on shore to establish a fix. A sextant is just a tools for measuring angl

Stus-List Hydronic Heating System

I am looking to add heat to Alera. I have decided that a hydronic system is the way to go as it will have the added advantage of hot water while at anchor. I have pretty much settled on the Webasto TSL17 http://www.suremarineservice.com/TSL

Stus-List Teak/Holly Floors on a C&C 37+

Listers, There are a few sections of the cabin's teak/holly flooring in the Enterprise that have dark blotches to the point where you can't even see the holly stripes. One person suggested sanding it down and revarnishing, but in looking at the edges, I don't think the holly goes all th

Re: Stus-List Sextant

the 1st satellite gives the time reference. 2nd gives a circle, but not where on the circle. 3rd gives a second circle and they will intersect, twice.  Past information, manual or from memory, eliminates one point. 4th gives solution without past information, and height. the relative geometry of

Re: Stus-List Hydronic Heating System

I worked on one on a Viking motor yacht. Between the diesel smell and a pinhole leak someplace it was like a combination truck-stop and sauna. On a freezing day the cabin was about 85 with 95% humidity. So..pay attention to the pluming and exhaust vent. Also note all those heaters run be

Re: Stus-List Teak/Holly Floors on a C&C 37+

Edd, I'm in the middle of a re-finish. The teak and holly is the top layer of a marine plywood. It is thin. The black is from moisture. The wood needs to be stripped and bleached, then refinished. Very little sanding is involved. You need to take out the board and be sure that there is no ro

Re: Stus-List Handicap review

Does anyone have a rating experience when adding a code zero sail? Thanks, Michael Cotton > > From: Gary Nylander >To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:12 AM >Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review > > > >On the Chesapeake, the J30 is

Re: Stus-List Hydronic Heating System

I have heard the fans that move the air around the coils pull a lot of amps. May want to check it out... Terry J From: Tom Buscaglia Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:44 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Hydronic Heating System I am looking to add heat to Alera. I have decided

Re: Stus-List Code Zero

Michael, Sorry. The only Code Zero I know is "Code: Zero, Zero, Zero, Destruct, Zero" -- but I don't like the results of using it. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island,

Re: Stus-List C&C 99

Not too many 99s where I sail in the Chicago area, and as far as I know none of them came with a sprit. But C&C can provide a kit to make the conversion, and the local dealer mentioned to me one day that at least one boat in our area has one installed. Basically the kit is the sprit itself and t

Re: Stus-List Hydronic Heating System

Calypso has a Webasto Thermo 90 which we installed in 1999. It has performed better than advertised. The installation took some time and planning. Calypso's co-owner and I did most of the installation with guest experts helping out, especially in the exhaust piping. We have three hi/low spee

Re: Stus-List Teak/Holly Floors on a C&C 37+

No...don't do it. We used the faux teak and holly on Jubilee (our 35 MK 1) as an upgrade from the fiberglass sole and it was great for that - http://sailjubilee.com/graphic9.html But it is definitely not good for the real deal sole you have on the Enterprise. If you can't get the spots

Re: Stus-List C&C 99

Tartan will be in Miami. No idea which boats they are bringing. They had the 101 in Annapolis along with 2 Tartans. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Walt Dickie wrote: > Not too many 99s where I sail in the Chicago area, and as far as I know > none of them came with a sprit. But C&C can provi

Re: Stus-List Teak/Holly Floors on a C&C 37+

Joel, Edd, et. al. I'm in the middle of the same project and have one small part of a holly strip with the same moisture problem. In fact it was so soft that when I sanded it gently after stripping the old varnish the holly in that spot was pretty much removed. Luckily it's hidden next to the m

Re: Stus-List Handicap review

Usually adjusts by -3 or -6 sec/mile From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael Cotton Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:10 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review Does anyone have a rating experience wh

Re: Stus-List Teak/Holly Floors on a C&C 37+

Monty, The worst of my sole was also under the table! I'm going to use West 105/207 and clear Cetol. Where is your boat? Mine is currently in Chesapeake Harbor. (The floorboards are in Bethesda waiting for warmer weather). Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Monty

Stus-List More on GPS accuracy

Unconditioned GPS signals will give 1 millisecond accuracy, any time of the day.  One microsecond accuracy can easily achieved, after a bit of calculations; again any time of the day.  The regular update that was mentioned before applies to the correction equation parameters, not to the clocks.

Re: Stus-List Teak/Holly Floors on a C&C 37+

Joel, I keep my boat at a community pier close to my house in Amberley/Whitehall Creek, but for the winter it's on the hard at tHinckley's (across the creek). My floorboards are in the (heated) garage where I stripped them and will do the refinishing. Monty Scandia 34+ Annapolis On Jan 28, 20

Re: Stus-List Teak/Holly Floors on a C&C 37+

Monty, I'm waiting for a slip to open up on Mill Creek in the Spring. Otherwise, I'll stay at Chesapeake Harbor. We should get together once we are re-assembled. A heated garage would speed up the process (and the epoxy!) Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Monty Schumpert w

Re: Stus-List Handicap review

Same around here. A friend has a Cal 40 and he added an asym spinnaker to his suite and it cost him 3 seconds. Gary St. Michaels, MD - Original Message - From: Hoyt, Mike To: Michael Cotton ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List

Re: Stus-List Sextant

Marek Dziedzic wrote: Obviously, this must be winter I was just thinking the same thing. It's better than cows or British Motor Cars. Some older offshore sailors have said to me 'all you *really* need is latitude, and you can get home from there.' That makes sense, if you think about it

Re: Stus-List Hydronic Heating System

I installed an Espar Hydronic unit on Indigo about 10 years ago. The heater provides hot water and pumps it through a series loop of two fan-coil units and the heating coil in my domestic hot water heater. Comments: 1. No problems whatsoever. Always starts and works well. 2. Total power consump

Re: Stus-List Hydronic Heating System

Hello Tom I put an Espar hydronic system in Secret Plans two years ago, the installation is documented in Good Old Boat magazine, Oct 2012. Espar D5 (similar specs to the Webasto), which feeds into two Heatercraft radiators. I also use it to heat domestic hot water, since my engine is raw wat

Re: Stus-List Sextant

Just a sideline to the notion that Europeans in the 15th century may have believed that the world was flat , in Capt. Joshua Slocum’s “Sailing Alone Around the World” he mentions his meeting with President Kruger – the President of the Transvaal in South Africa. Upon being presented to the

Re: Stus-List Teak/Holly Floors on a C&C 37+

Edd - re the vinyl... At 540 US$ for a 6x10 foot sheet that stuff had better look authentic and last forever. I have a funny feeling it will always look like vinyl flooring, though. I'm a Travis McGee fan (and have all the books on board including 'The Girl with Cinnamon Skin' [which took t

Re: Stus-List Sextant

The deal with shooting star sights is that you set the sextant altitude (angle) to the expected altitude of the star and then line it up with the horizon and point the sextant in the direction of the star (its azimuth). So for shooting Polaris you set the altitude to your latitude and point the

Re: Stus-List Teak/Holly Floors on a C&C 37+

I've seen laminate soles on a bunch of new boats and it's looked pretty good...to the point where I had to ask if it's real. But it is always matte finished and I love a gloss finish. I'm in the process of doing my sole as well. It really needs replacing, but that's not in the budget for a few

Re: Stus-List Teak/Holly Floors on a C&C 37+

Andrew, I had two boards with damage along the long edges. On one I ripped the board back to the holly and replaced the edge with a piece of solid teak using epoxy and dowels. The other I routed out the top 1/2 inch back to the holly and fitted in a new piece of teak. I am going to try to use

Re: Stus-List Teak/Holly Floors on a C&C 37+

Hi Edd, Several years ago, I removed our floorboards and refinished them. The surface veneer is very thin, and though I was very carefull, I had a couple places where a light sanding went through. Several scars had to remain, but added character. Ultra-Sole made a beautiful result and is shiny,

Re: Stus-List Limber holes

Tim, I've got the same issue going on. It's on my to-do list. Jake Jake Brodersen C&C 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subjec

Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating

New topic; Best Hot Drinks for Boating Hot chocolate is nice, but what are some good "adult" drinks to warm up the offwatch crew, or celebrate at the dock? Is there a frostbiter's special? Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ ___ This

Re: Stus-List Sextant

A sextant works almost anywhere. It's wickedly hard to get a sun sight if you are near or above the Arctic Circle in December, or the Antarctic Circle in July. And high altitude sights (near 90 degree elevation) are difficult to get accurately almost any time when you are in low latitudes. Many na

Re: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating

From Joe Heinbach, who was bartender at RVic Y C when I was growing up: squeeze a quarter of a lime in a mug, add a heaping tsp of brown sugar, a good dollop of Lambs Navy Rum and top with hot water. Mmm! Or to quote Farley Mowat: black coffee made with rum as a substitute for water is a dr

Re: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating

Back in my drinking days I enjoyed many hot adult boat beverages. Some of my favorites: -HBR (hot buttered rum) -B-52 coffee -Irish coffee -Espresso and ouzo One of my favorite usages of HBRs was an attempt to stay up all night (Jan 1st 1982, low temp = 26F Port Ludlow WA) in the cockpit of a fr

Re: Stus-List Sextant

Dennis is right, of course. Almost any accurate timepiece can serve as your “chronometer”. For example, the $15 Tmex digital watch I have on right now is 42 seconds fast when compared to the US Naval Observatory mater time clock. One of the early lessons in the Power Squadron basic navigatio

Re: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating

My hot toddie of choice when I get the sniffles is this: 1/2 Lemmon in a mug Tablespoon or more of fresh honey 1 ounce or more St. Remy brandy Boiling water. Lay down Fall asleep. Brent Wild Rover 27-5 Sent from my iPod On 2013-01-28, at 5:29 PM, Chuck S wrote: > New topic; Best Hot Drinks fo

Re: Stus-List Sextant

North Carolina is a real hub of military activity. Navy and Air Force in Norfolk, USCG in Elizabeth City, Cherry Point, Camp Lejune, Ft Bragg, an amphib base in New River, the air force in Goldsboro, and there's probably more. A couple of times per year we get announcement on NOAA and in the Notice

Stus-List PHRF rating change

I have purchased a Sparcraft Bowsprit for my 36' C&C and was wondering if anyone knows what change will take place on my PHRF rating of 127. I race on the Bohemia River on the northern end of the Chesapeake Bay and use the Annapolis rating system. My spinnaker is an asymetrical. Tom VincentF

Stus-List C&C 37/40+ Mainsail Cover

Greetings fellow C&C lovers! We're new to post but not to C&C's, our first was a 29 MKII, we've recently moved up to a 37+ (LOVE IT!). We have spent the past year club racing and working on the boat to make her "ours" like new sails and changing all the canvas to Captains Navy (hatch covers,

Re: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating

Well, I'm still out in Colorado skiing.  My ski buddies and I have been "sampling" hot drinks late in the afternoon at some of the on slope bars.  (The last run of the day is always "fun".) Mostly they involve coffee or hot chocolate with combinations of Bailey's, Frangelica, Amaretto, Kahlua,

Re: Stus-List Teak/Holly Floors on a C&C 37+

I installed PlasDeck on a large aft deck hatch on a Grand Banks trawler couple years ago.  Job went well and looked good.  PlasDeck supplier was easy to work with. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA > > From: Andrew Burton >To: "w...@wbryant.com" ; "cnc

Re: Stus-List Sextant

Copericus published his theory about heliocentricity in 1543, and Galileo was tried by the Inquisition for writing about it in 1633. Europe knew the earth was nor flat by the late 1400s (though they thought it a lot smaller than it is), but thought it was the center of the universe until the 1700s.

Re: Stus-List Handicap review

Tim, I have a base rating of 123, which I think we can sail to pretty well in non-spin. Our boat has the same rating for spin and non-spin. For comparison, the J30 is rated at 141 here. When we sail with the spin fleet we have worked our way into the middle of the pack, which is about w

Re: Stus-List PHRF rating change

According to NC PHRF rules, your PHRF would apparently be adjusted based on the ratio of the spin pole length to J. If the length from the front of the mast to the jaw of the extended sprit is ISP, then J110% of J = -6 seconds. NCPHRF makes no adjustment for A sail vs. symmetrical spinnaker, so you

Re: Stus-List Sextant

No wonder some nights I can barely find me arse wit both hands simultaneously. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-01-28, at 21:56, "Rick Brass" wrote: Copericus published his theory about heliocentricity in 1543, and Galileo was tried by the Inquisition for writing about it in 1633. Eu

Re: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating

Cup of hot cocoa 1 shot vanilla Stoli 1 – 1 ½ shot of Butterscotch schnapps (to taste) Makes a nice chocolate carmel warm me up on a cold boat trip Rick Brass From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:29 PM To: cnc-li

Re: Stus-List PHRF rating change

For Long Island Sound your TPS length can be 25% of J without penalty if you only fly an Asym. You can also have a bigger Asym as SMW is measured as J + TPS. However if plan to fly both a sym on a pole as well as the Asym they whack you for -9. Eric 34/34 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Rick Br

Re: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating

I have heard of the drink B-52 but what is B-52 coffee? B-52 drink is Baileys, Khalua and Grand Marnier. Ray Shibe ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com

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The Arabs knew the earth was spherical early on and the librarian of Alexandria had calculated the radius with the famous "well" experiment at a solstice (or was it the equinox?).  That value was very close; much better than the one Columbus used.  Keep in mind, the Europeans were well behind th

Re: Stus-List More on GPS accuracy

I'm enjoying this in depth GPS education. I recall some scuttlebutt in Sail magazine a year or two ago warning that most of the birds in the system were approaching their "best before date" of over 25 years and without getting immediate replacement the system would be down a few leaving some hol