Hi Mike- Thanks for the extensive review. Everything I have read and heard about the boat makes me think that one is in my future. It is precisely the size and characteristics I was looking for, and it particularly appeals to my sense of karma after my happy experience with my previous C&C (and its owner group). I will probably be looking for the shoal draft as that is a compromise I am willing to make in this area since I do not intend to seriously campaign the boat. One thing you did not comment on is the bowsprit. I gather that was an option, and one that attracted me to the boat. I will be sailing mostly shorthanded and so do not intend to use a full spinnaker with pole. Having a sprit launched chute seems to be a great compromise, but I have never sailed a boat with one so I have absolutely no personal experience. Can anyone comment on that? Thanks- Dave
On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: > David > > The 99 has a few variations. The most common and most recent being 5.5 ft > draft carbon fibre mast. Initially the boat had a deeper draft keel and > aluminum mast. A very very small number had the deeper keel and carbon fibre > mast and a number are the 5.5 ft keel with aluminum mast. > > I believe the original boat was 6.4 ft aluminum mast version and then the > shallow draft model was introduced as an option. At some point groups of > owners in the Chesapeake and another area convinced C&C to switch to only the > 5.5 ft boat for one design purposes and to deal better with the shallow water > areas where it was sailed. > > Our friends have the 5.5 ft keel carbon mast since they bought the boat to > sail in an area with a shallow entrance to our marina. The 6.4 ft keel would > not have worked there. Their boat arrived with the waterline a bit off and > C&C repainted the waterline over the first off season. The reason for this > was the design of the 5.5 ft keel which moved the center of mass aft a bit on > the boat. When racing it is very important to get the crew weight out of the > cockpit and forward esp because of this. > > A group of our friends race an Olson 30 which in our area for a time was > rated the same as the 99 at PHRF 99. They also raced in Chester Race Week > against a carbon mast 6.4 ft keel version of this boat. The Olson is faster > than the Shoal Draft 99 in almost every condition until their is some chop > and the winds are at approx 18 knots at which time the 99 is faster esp > upwind. The 6.4 ft keel is by our Olson friend's observation a much faster > boat than the SD version. It excels on all points of sail. At some point in > Nova Scotia it was realized that the C&C 99 handicap was based on the > original 6.4 ft keel and that when C&C changed the specification for the > standard boat the same handicap was used for the SD version. This was also > the case in New England. We now have the 6.4 ft boat at 99 and the 5.5 ft > version at 105 and PHRF-NE has a similar 6 second difference. This only > became apparent when a 6.4 ft model moved back to the area and we have both > models sailing here. I believe the difference between the 5.5 ft and 6.4 ft > boat is more like 9 sec/mile though ... > > The interior of the C&C 99 is well appointed. The table is an option and > hangs off the mast but is usable. Galley seems to work out well. The aft > cabin is a bit cramped but once you wedge yourself in the bunk is quite > comfortable for two people. Have slept there many times. The Vee berth > would be considered your stateroom. It is large, comfortable (much more so > than aft cabin - trust me) and has cabinetry to store clothing etc. Storage > aboard seems adequate also and the engine seems not to have problems. > > I also sail a lot on a C&C 115. It has similar cabinet drawers and doors and > when the boat is much used the latches seem to be flimsy. Look for a boat > where the owner was obsessive with maintenance and it will be pristine and > very nice inside. Our friend's 99 is just that - pristine. It appears to be > one year old and has great inventory of both sails and electronics that have > been regularly updated. > > For sailing be aware that the boat has an oversized J+1 pole and matching > 200% spinnaker. This is the class standard and in our area is included in > the boats base rating. This means the spinnaker is very large and can be a > handful but the boat sails well with it and does not seem to be squirrelly > downwind. With the roller furling standard on the boat the common practice > is to furl and unfurl the headsail while racing and the cut of the headsail > is not diminished by the roller furling in size etc ... Seems to work well > > The wheel is a large destroyer type wheel and the boat is very responsive to > the steering. It feels quite direct and is nicely set up. One caution is > that there seems to be some problem with the shivs with the C&Cs. The 115 > has had the cable jump off the shivs several times and the 99 has had this > happen once. The shivs are angled a bit but once they are replaced the > problem seems to go away. You may wish to check this area. I believe with > the 99 it occurred because a bolt worked itself out over time.... > > The 99 is a good boat and sails at a decent speed as a modern 33 foot > cruising boat that can be raced. We are all very happy with how well the 99 > our friends purchased has worked out. There also has never been any > indication of the hull cracking issue that was reported on some of the larger > C&C models ... > > Not sure what else to add. These are great boats! > > Mike > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David > Knecht > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:48 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 99 > > > On Jan 27, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Pat Nevitt wrote: > >> I think there is someone on the list who posts occasionally that has one. I >> can't remember his name. I have a friend that owns one and really likes >> his. Do you want to race or cruise? > Some of both, but the cruising is more weekending that longer and with just > my wife and I. Racing would be club for fun, not seriously campaigning. I > want a boat that can do both with me single-handing. >> He mostly races his and places in the middle of a fairly competitive PHRF >> fleet. We did beat him once in my 29-2 this past frostbite series on a 20kt >> wind day, but he claims it was because they turned around to pick up a hat >> that went overboard (I never saw that!). I know of 2 for sale in the >> Annapolis area. I know the owner of one of those and he has had it for sale >> for a while and is motivated to let it go. >> >> Pat >> >> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:47 PM, David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> I sold by C&C 34 a while back, and now I am in the market for a new boat. >> One of the boats I plan to look at is a C&C 99. This list was always been >> of great help, when I had my previous boat, so I am wondering if anyone has >> comments on that particular vintage of C&C. I planned to search the archive >> in case this has been discussed before, but I could find no way to do that. >> Am I missing it? Thanks- Dave >> >> Professor David Knecht >> Department of Molecular and Cell Biology >> Microscopy Facility Director >> U-3125 >> 91 N. 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