I sail on a J-80 and have sailed on a Melges 24. These are a bit different than
a heavier boat (gets into planing rather quickly), but from a crew standpoint,
I think the sprit and asym are great.
First, you don't have to leave the cockpit to fly it. Pull the line to get the
pole out, then pull the foot out to the end of the pole and hoist. There is a
risk - because the chute is low to the deck/water, you have to be careful to
not allow the chute to get dunked - slows you down a bunch!
Jibing is simple, head the boat down, ease the sheet, and as the chute flys out
in front of the boat, haul the other sheet in - quickly, as there is a lot of
nylon out there. You need to get the clew around the forestay and back so you
don't end up with an hour-glass.
Again, all of this is done without going forward.
The downside of the asym is you are always reaching and trying to go deep will
just slow you down, so you travel more distance go get from point A to B. It is
frustrating when racing to have a slower boat heading straight to the next mark
while you are dancing around, going faster, but covering a lot more water. But,
if it is blowing a bit, you get some good rides while surfing or planing, then
you make up the extra distance real fast.
Gary
30-1 and J-80 crew.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Knecht
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 99
Hi Mike- Thanks for the extensive review. Everything I have read and heard
about the boat makes me think that one is in my future. It is precisely the
size and characteristics I was looking for, and it particularly appeals to my
sense of karma after my happy experience with my previous C&C (and its owner
group). I will probably be looking for the shoal draft as that is a compromise
I am willing to make in this area since I do not intend to seriously campaign
the boat. One thing you did not comment on is the bowsprit. I gather that was
an option, and one that attracted me to the boat. I will be sailing mostly
shorthanded and so do not intend to use a full spinnaker with pole. Having a
sprit launched chute seems to be a great compromise, but I have never sailed a
boat with one so I have absolutely no personal experience. Can anyone comment
on that? Thanks- Dave
On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:
David
The 99 has a few variations. The most common and most recent being 5.5 ft
draft carbon fibre mast. Initially the boat had a deeper draft keel and
aluminum mast. A very very small number had the deeper keel and carbon fibre
mast and a number are the 5.5 ft keel with aluminum mast.
I believe the original boat was 6.4 ft aluminum mast version and then the
shallow draft model was introduced as an option. At some point groups of
owners in the Chesapeake and another area convinced C&C to switch to only the
5.5 ft boat for one design purposes and to deal better with the shallow water
areas where it was sailed.
Our friends have the 5.5 ft keel carbon mast since they bought the boat to
sail in an area with a shallow entrance to our marina. The 6.4 ft keel would
not have worked there. Their boat arrived with the waterline a bit off and C&C
repainted the waterline over the first off season. The reason for this was the
design of the 5.5 ft keel which moved the center of mass aft a bit on the boat.
When racing it is very important to get the crew weight out of the cockpit and
forward esp because of this.
A group of our friends race an Olson 30 which in our area for a time was
rated the same as the 99 at PHRF 99. They also raced in Chester Race Week
against a carbon mast 6.4 ft keel version of this boat. The Olson is faster
than the Shoal Draft 99 in almost every condition until their is some chop and
the winds are at approx 18 knots at which time the 99 is faster esp upwind.
The 6.4 ft keel is by our Olson friend's observation a much faster boat than
the SD version. It excels on all points of sail. At some point in Nova Scotia
it was realized that the C&C 99 handicap was based on the original 6.4 ft keel
and that when C&C changed the specification for the standard boat the same
handicap was used for the SD version. This was also the case in New England.
We now have the 6.4 ft boat at 99 and the 5.5 ft version at 105 and PHRF-NE has
a similar 6 second difference. This only became apparent when a 6.4 ft model
moved back to the area and we have both models sailing here. I believe the
difference between the 5.5 ft and 6.4 ft boat is more like 9 sec/mile though ...
The interior of the C&C 99 is well appointed. The table is an option and
hangs off the mast but is usable. Galley seems to work out well. The aft
cabin is a bit cramped but once you wedge yourself in the bunk is quite
comfortable for two people. Have slept there many times. The Vee berth would
be considered your stateroom. It is large, comfortable (much more so than aft
cabin - trust me) and has cabinetry to store clothing etc. Storage aboard
seems adequate also and the engine seems not to have problems.
I also sail a lot on a C&C 115. It has similar cabinet drawers and doors
and when the boat is much used the latches seem to be flimsy. Look for a boat
where the owner was obsessive with maintenance and it will be pristine and very
nice inside. Our friend's 99 is just that - pristine. It appears to be one
year old and has great inventory of both sails and electronics that have been
regularly updated.
For sailing be aware that the boat has an oversized J+1 pole and matching
200% spinnaker. This is the class standard and in our area is included in the
boats base rating. This means the spinnaker is very large and can be a handful
but the boat sails well with it and does not seem to be squirrelly downwind.
With the roller furling standard on the boat the common practice is to furl and
unfurl the headsail while racing and the cut of the headsail is not diminished
by the roller furling in size etc ... Seems to work well
The wheel is a large destroyer type wheel and the boat is very responsive
to the steering. It feels quite direct and is nicely set up. One caution is
that there seems to be some problem with the shivs with the C&Cs. The 115 has
had the cable jump off the shivs several times and the 99 has had this happen
once. The shivs are angled a bit but once they are replaced the problem seems
to go away. You may wish to check this area. I believe with the 99 it
occurred because a bolt worked itself out over time....
The 99 is a good boat and sails at a decent speed as a modern 33 foot
cruising boat that can be raced. We are all very happy with how well the 99
our friends purchased has worked out. There also has never been any indication
of the hull cracking issue that was reported on some of the larger C&C models
...
Not sure what else to add. These are great boats!
Mike
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David
Knecht
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 99
On Jan 27, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Pat Nevitt wrote:
I think there is someone on the list who posts occasionally that has one.
I can't remember his name. I have a friend that owns one and really likes
his. Do you want to race or cruise?
Some of both, but the cruising is more weekending that longer and with just
my wife and I. Racing would be club for fun, not seriously campaigning. I
want a boat that can do both with me single-handing.
He mostly races his and places in the middle of a fairly competitive PHRF
fleet. We did beat him once in my 29-2 this past frostbite series on a 20kt
wind day, but he claims it was because they turned around to pick up a hat that
went overboard (I never saw that!). I know of 2 for sale in the Annapolis
area. I know the owner of one of those and he has had it for sale for a while
and is motivated to let it go.
Pat
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:47 PM, David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I sold by C&C 34 a while back, and now I am in the market for a new
boat. One of the boats I plan to look at is a C&C 99. This list was always
been of great help, when I had my previous boat, so I am wondering if anyone
has comments on that particular vintage of C&C. I planned to search the
archive in case this has been discussed before, but I could find no way to do
that. Am I missing it? Thanks- Dave
Professor David Knecht
Department of Molecular and Cell Biology
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University of Connecticut
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