Yes. I was talking about 2D position (which is what sailors are most
interested in).  In a 3D space 4 satellites (or more) are needed. For 2D
using the earth itself as the fourth sphere is a simplifying assumption (it
is round enough for purposes of practical navigation).

For aviators and astrogators, please include at least one more satellite :-)

Eric Haberfellner


cnc-list@cnc-list.com writes:
>Obviously, this must be winter and we have nothing better to talk about...
> 
>What Eric described applies to 2D position (assuming (which not that far of)
>that the Earth is a sphere. Most GPS receivers require 4 satellite fixes to
>calculate the position (the 4th one gives you the error (the accuracy)). You
>need more satellites to get a 3D fix.
> 
>Marek
>C&C24 Fennel in Ottawa
> 
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>Just to clarify. The only GPS satellites that are in geosynchronous orbit are
>the ones that provide WAAS correction data. The ones used to generate a
>position fix are not in geosynchronous orbit.
>
> The constellation of about 24 GPS satellites orbits at about 12,600 miles
>and these are not in equatorial orbit. If fact in order to generate a fix, it
>is critical that the satellites not be arranged in a straight line as all
>geosynchronous satellites are along the equator. This would be a classic case
>of bad satellite geometry. The fact that the satellites are not in
>geosynchronous orbit and are therefore moving relative to the earth's surface
>is critical in GPS calculations. This relative movement allows the GPS
>receiver to calculate the satellite's true position by using the Doppler
>shift. The receiver can now calculate its distance from the satellite. Once
>you know the distance you know that the receiver has to be on a point on the
>surface of a sphere with a radius of that distance with the satellite at the
>center of the sphere.  By limiting the points on the surface of the sphere
>to
> points that intersect the surface of the earth gives you a circle of
>position on the earth's surface that the receiver lies on. By then repeating
>the calculation for at least two more satellites and seeing where the circles
>of position intersect you get a position fix. Just like using a sextant and
>three lines of position.
>
>--
>Eric Haberfellner


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