Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

[Edward Angel]

Close: https://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/clt-to-hnl/
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> On Sep 19, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
> Not to change the subject but...
> 
> A large airliner recently, 15 minutes ago, flew over Santa Fe headed west.  
> My Flight Radar app tells me that it's a Boeing 777 going from Charlotte to 
> Honolulu at an altitude of 38000 feet.  I wouldn't have thought that Santa Fe 
> was on a great Circle route between those two cities.  But maybe it is.
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Position Available

[Edward Angel]

The upper Colorado and Green above Cataract Canyon were navigable in the 1800’s 
and 1900’s between Moab and Green River.

Ed
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> On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Prof David West  wrote:
> 
> The Colorado used to be navigable as far north as Las Vegas (more accurately 
> just below what is now Hoover Dam). Brigham Young used to ship long fiber 
> cotton to mills in Carolinas. So Rio Grande and ABQ might not be quite as 
> silly as it first appears. 
> 
> Davew
> 
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, at 11:03 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> I just received a notice for a position as a dock worker near zip code 87505 
>> that pays $176,000 per year.  I don't think I'll click the link.
>> 
>> It reminds me of when the Albuquerque Journal received an inquiry regarding 
>> whether the Rio Grande was navigable as far north as Albuquerque.
>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

[Edward Angel]

Quaternions avoid much of the ugly trigonometry since quaternion rotation is 
along a great circle. They’re very useful for smooth rotations in computer 
graphics and many aerospace applications.

Ed
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> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Steve Smith  wrote:
> 
> Answering my own earlier question (with props) it seems that a (smooth) globe 
> and piece of string would be good support for an intuitive approach.My 
> sister made a "hanging string lampshade" in 3rd grade by wrapping cotton 
> string soaked in glue around a large balloon and letting it dry.I 
> inherited it when she went into middle school and was "too cool" for it 
> anymore.   I would lay in bed and stare at it, remembering the challenges (I 
> helped wrap the string) of getting the slick string to do *anything* but 
> following near-great-circles.   The shadows it cast on the walls (and 
> furniture) might have been my first awareness of projective geometry...  I 
> abandoned it when I went to college.
> 
> I assume (REC?) that early age-of-exploration navigators were more 
> constrained by trade-winds and convenient resupply/port-of-call than 
> great-circles, though misunderstanding spherical geometry would be very 
> inconvenient.   
> 
> I also believe that Polynesian stick charts would have great-circleness (or 
> more-to-the-point shortest time paths) built into them by their nature, not 
> any arcane understanding of spherical (ellipsoidal) geometry.  I'm sure they 
> have been studied quite thoroughly.
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/19/21 3:36 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote:
>> In the early 90s, my expat friends in Beijing would often debate which were 
>> the closer US Cities to Beijing by eyeballing the globe - wish we had this 
>> too for easy lookup back then. Of course, we could have used lat/longs and 
>> calculated haversine distances but we had pints to drink - and frankly it 
>> would have been difficult for me to find the algorithm in the nascent web 
>> back then ;-)
>> 
>> Beijing (PEK) Great Circle Distances for 10 US cities 
>> <https://www.greatcirclemap.com/globe?routes=%20PEK-SEA%2C%20PEK-LAX%2C%20PEK-DET%2C%20PEK-SAN%2C%20PEK-MSP%2C%20PEK-YYZ%2C%20PEK-EWR%2C%20PEK-ORD%2C%20PEK-ANC%2C%20PEK-BGR%2C%20PEK-HNL>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 3:22 PM Frank Wimberly > <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> That gives a good view, Stephen.  Hawaii is farther south than I thought.  
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> 
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 3:19 PM Stephen Guerin > <mailto:stephen.gue...@simtable.com>> wrote:
>> I was going to post this similar site but Ed beat me with his :-) This one 
>> also has a globe view...
>> 
>> https://www.greatcirclemap.com/globe?routes=CLT-HNL 
>> <https://www.greatcirclemap.com/globe?routes=CLT-HNL>
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>> On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 2:03 PM Frank Wimberly > <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Thanks, Ed.  That's useful.
>> 
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> 
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 1:54 PM Edward Angel > <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu>> wrote:
>> Close: https://w

Re: [FRIAM] we are lost

[Edward Angel]

Reasonableness is in the eye of the beholder. I doubt many Democrats would 
consider their economic and social positions reasonable.

Getting primaried is an issue for all of them. Kinzinger is out. Cheney is in 
an enormous flight to get reniminated and Romney has to contend with far right 
opposition in Utah.

Ed
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> On Oct 30, 2021, at 8:12 AM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone understand why a couple of reasonable Senate Republicans (Romney, 
> Kinzinger, Cheney, ...) don't vote with the Democrats for the Biden bills?  
> Getting "primaried" isn't an issue for all of them.
> 
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> Frank C. Wimberly
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> 
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> 
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 6:18 AM David Eric Smith  > wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2021, at 4:32 PM, Steve Smith > > wrote:
>> excellent reference/article... thanks.
>> 
> I agree, Marcus; thanks.  I was struck that not only do I wish I could write 
> that way; I wish I could _think_ that way.  There are few thoughts I have had 
> that aren’t already contained in Packer’s synthesis, in forms compatible with 
> or better than the ones I would have given.  (Usually those with which I 
> overlap aren’t different enough that I consider his take on them a lot 
> “better”: mostly I think he chooses well the things I would front.  The 
> “better” part mostly comes from a view that goes well beyond any that I could 
> have commanded, and much better ability to arrange it all into a coherent 
> layout.)
>> Is it a 4 component spring model, or is a four body problem in the orbital 
>> mechanics sense... probably no harder than the three body problem?
>> 
> But I think the whole core of Packer’s article is that it is not merely 4, 
> but 2.x 2.
> 
> There are axes of stress, and visible fractures along the first two principle 
> components of stress. 
> 
> The Left-Right axis has resolved itself, in the current era, into a kind of 
> cultural-status axis, with educational markers being a big part.  But the 
> axis is somehow more and different than only that, as it has historically 
> moved through primacy of other dichotomies that can still be seen, while 
> retaining its essential nature: Open vs. Closed, Cosmopolitan vs. Parochial, 
> Communitarian vs. Dominance-ordered.  None of these seems quite adequate as I 
> write them, but something along that line.
> 
> The Up-Down axis is probably about winners versus losers, itself existing 
> along several dimensions that have become correlated.  It can be conditions 
> of living, or hope versus despair w.r.t. power or agency as well as wealth or 
> safety.  That is why Packer sets the Just up as an uprising against the 
> Smart, and the Real as an uprising against the Free.  The nature of the 
> uprising and the stress driving it is in a sense the same, and the 
> establishment and the insurgency sort of remain within whichever silos they 
> started in.  Mostly because that phase is still fairly young.
> 
> Anything that becomes organized, it seems, becomes available as a tool to 
> entrench advantage in a setting where competition never relents.
> 
> Eric
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] My plan to disrupt education

[Edward Angel]

I think the definition of Hispanic-serving is based on the percentage of 
Hispanic students which is very high at Highlands.

The first year I was at UNM, a colleague and I went to career day at Highlands. 
Because Highlands lacked an Engineering program, we thought it would be an 
excellent opportunity to recruit some of their grads to Engineering at UNM, The 
gym was filled with recruiting tables which except for us were all either from 
the military or the Ivy League schools trying to recruit Hispanics. During the 
morning, not a single student came to our table. After lunch, a group of young 
women came to our table, looked at our materials, and then asked if they needed 
math to study engineering. When we said yes, there was a loud “Ugh” and they 
turned around and left. Only students we talked to the whole day.

A few years later, David West would come down to UNM once a week to UNM on his 
bike to teach a software engineering course.

Around that time, we had a very active NM Chapter of SIGGRAPH in NM. I worked a 
lot with Bruce Papier at Highlands who was running a wonderful computer art 
program at Highlands. I believe he too was pushed out during the Manny Aragon 
era. He passed away in Santa Fe a few years ago.

But what I really want to write about is a related story to David’s at UNM. At 
UNM the Latin American (now Latin American and Iberian ) Institute is a 
prestigious research and teaching center. It’s founder-director and associate 
director were not Hispanics. In the mid-90s, Tom Benavides, a powerful NM 
legislator 
(http://insidethecapitol.blogspot.com/2004/05/most-excellent-sir-tom-benavides.html
 
)
 insisted the director and associate director be replaced by Hispanics and when 
UNM refused, the funding for LAI was removed from the UNM budget. The result 
was  that UNM had to come up with funds from other projects to support LAI.

Tom was a very popular legislator from the South Valley, so popular that there 
was a movement to create a separate county for the South Valley and name it 
after Tom. But then there was his downfall; drinking and wife abuse. When he 
lost a reelection, UNM seized on the opportunity and hired him as a legislative 
lobbyist. UNM then got back it’s funding for LAI without having to replace its 
leadership.

At the time, I was teaching a lot of short courses in Latin America through the 
Ibero-American Science and Technology Education Consortium (ISTEC)  which was 
started at UNM and was administratively under LAI. One of Tom’s duties 
(actually rewards) was to attend the yearly ISTEC conferences in Latin America 
as did I and usually Rose Mary. Tom was somewhat uncomfortable outside NM and 
speaking Spanish, so Rose Mary would often invite him to join us for dinner. I 
always learned a lot about the spotted history of NM.

Ed
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Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
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> On Oct 29, 2021, at 6:15 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
> During the era of which Dave speaks at New Mexico Highlands i had an 
> interview for a faculty position in the CS Department there.  I wasn't a good 
> match because they were looking for someone in the area of computers and the 
> arts.  Among my application materials I emphasized my ability to speak 
> Spanish, my family roots in Central NM, and our adoption of a young child 
> from Mexico.  Someone told me that it was a mistake to mention the 
> relationship with Mexico because Aragon didn't consider Mexicans to be 
> Hispanic.  To him that word apparently means someone from one of a few 
> families from Northern NM.  
> 
> At that time there was material that claimed that Highlands was the foremost 
> Hispanic serving university in the US.  At the time I wondered, "What about 
> UCSD, UCLA, Arizona, UNM, UTexas, etc?"  I think the answer lay in his 
> definition of Hispanic.
> 
> Frank
> 
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
> 
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 5:39 PM Prof David West  > wrote:
> Manny Aragon was president of Highlands at the time of my program. He hated 
> me personally for no apparent reason other than my program was gaining 
> publicity and overshadowing his role as "savior" of Highlands. Also, his 
> Board of Regents assigned mission was to reduce the white faculty and 
> increase the Hispanic.Those efforts earned censure for the University, 
> multiple lawsuits by white faculty all of which Highlands lost; and 
> eventually Manny's firing as University President.
> 
> He arbitrarily 

Re: [FRIAM] My plan to disrupt education

[Edward Angel]

t; On Oct 30, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Frank Wimberly  <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> >I think the definition of Hispanic-serving is based on the percentage of 
> >Hispanic students which is very high at Highlands
> 
>  
> 
> I would be surprised if Highlands had a higher number of Hispanic students 
> than any of the universities I mentioned.  Compared to to them Highlands is 
> small.  I wonder why percentage is more important than the total number.  
> Talk about ethnicism.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 10:58 AM Edward Angel  <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu>> wrote:
> 
> I think the definition of Hispanic-serving is based on the percentage of 
> Hispanic students which is very high at Highlands.
> 
>  
> 
> The first year I was at UNM, a colleague and I went to career day at 
> Highlands. Because Highlands lacked an Engineering program, we thought it 
> would be an excellent opportunity to recruit some of their grads to 
> Engineering at UNM, The gym was filled with recruiting tables which except 
> for us were all either from the military or the Ivy League schools trying to 
> recruit Hispanics. During the morning, not a single student came to our 
> table. After lunch, a group of young women came to our table, looked at our 
> materials, and then asked if they needed math to study engineering. When we 
> said yes, there was a loud “Ugh” and they turned around and left. Only 
> students we talked to the whole day.
> 
>  
> 
> A few years later, David West would come down to UNM once a week to UNM on 
> his bike to teach a software engineering course.
> 
>  
> 
> Around that time, we had a very active NM Chapter of SIGGRAPH in NM. I worked 
> a lot with Bruce Papier at Highlands who was running a wonderful computer art 
> program at Highlands. I believe he too was pushed out during the Manny Aragon 
> era. He passed away in Santa Fe a few years ago.
> 
>  
> 
> But what I really want to write about is a related story to David’s at UNM. 
> At UNM the Latin American (now Latin American and Iberian ) Institute is a 
> prestigious research and teaching center. It’s founder-director and associate 
> director were not Hispanics. In the mid-90s, Tom Benavides, a powerful NM 
> legislator 
> (http://insidethecapitol.blogspot.com/2004/05/most-excellent-sir-tom-benavides.html
>  
> <http://insidethecapitol.blogspot.com/2004/05/most-excellent-sir-tom-benavides.html>)
>  insisted the director and associate director be replaced by Hispanics and 
> when UNM refused, the funding for LAI was removed from the UNM budget. The 
> result was  that UNM had to come up with funds from other projects to support 
> LAI.
> 
>  
> 
> Tom was a very popular legislator from the South Valley, so popular that 
> there was a movement to create a separate county for the South Valley and 
> name it after Tom. But then there was his downfall; drinking and wife abuse. 
> When he lost a reelection, UNM seized on the opportunity and hired him as a 
> legislative lobbyist. UNM then got back it’s funding for LAI without having 
> to replace its leadership.
> 
>  
> 
> At the time, I was teaching a lot of short courses in Latin America through 
> the Ibero-American Science and Technology Education Consortium (ISTEC)  which 
> was started at UNM and was administratively under LAI. One of Tom’s duties 
> (actually rewards) was to attend the yearly ISTEC conferences in Latin 
> America as did I and usually Rose Mary. Tom was somewhat uncomfortable 
> outside NM and speaking Spanish, so Rose Mary would often invite him to join 
> us for dinner. I always learned a lot about the spotted history of NM.
> 
>  
> 
> Ed
> 
> ___
> 
> 
> Ed Angel
> 
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
> 
> 1017 Sierra Pinon
> 
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
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> 505-453-4944 (cell)  http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 
> <http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel>
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 29, 2021, at 6:15 PM, Frank Wimberly  <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> During the era of which Dave speaks at New Mexico Highlands i had an 
> interview for a faculty position in the CS Department there.  I wasn't a good 
> match because they were looking for someone in the area of computers and the 
> arts.  Among my application materials I emphasized my ability to speak 
> Spanish, 

Re: [FRIAM] Looking for an algorithm

[Edward Angel]

I remember from my days doing systems and controls that the Kronecker product 
arises when you extend 1D methods for linear-quadradic problems to 2D. I 
actually used it in my thesis.

Ed
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> On Nov 4, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Jon Zingale  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone who helped pitch in on this. I was happy to finally track 
> down a pdf of Van Loan & Pitsianis [1993]. As stated in this other article on 
> "Automated Kronecker Product Approximation"[KoPA]:
> 
> "This was introduced in the matrix computation literature as the nearest 
> Kronecker product problem in Van Loan and Pitsianis, who demonstrated its 
> equivalence to the best rank-one approximation and therefore also to the SVD, 
> after a proper rearrangement of the matrix entries."
> 
> As well as:
> 
> "Finding a low-rank approximation of a given matrix is closely related to the 
> singular value decomposition, and the connection was revealed as early as 
> Eckart and Yount (1936)]"
> 
> It is surprising that it took until the 90s for the problem to bite someone 
> and for explicit algorithms to emerge. Also, I am amazed that the body of the 
> literature seems to come from the data sciences, as I arrived at the problem 
> from studying discrete dynamical systems. I am hoping to write up a paper on 
> the connection between them and NKP soon. Would anyone know where I can find 
> a python, C++, or Haskell implementation easily?
> 
> Thanks again for the help.
> 
> [1993] 
> https://www.cs.cornell.edu/cv/ResearchPDF/Approximation%20with%20Kronecker%20Products,%20from%20Linear%20Algebra%20for%20Large%20Scale%20and%20Real-%20Time%20Applications.pdf
>  
> 
> 
> [KoPA] https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.02392.pdf 
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Re: [FRIAM] Looking for an algorithm

[Edward Angel]

There are some references to using tensor products to solve potential equations 
that go back to 1964. They involve inverting (division?) of a tensor product 
matrix. I had some of this in my thesis (1968) and is also on the book I wrote 
that came our around 1972. I only have one copy left (its pages are turning 
yellow with age). I can scan those page if you like.

Ed
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> On Nov 4, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Jon Zingale  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, that direction (multiplying) is the more well tread direction. It is 
> the inverse problem (division) that I am surprised to see so little written 
> on. Have you run across much literature on it?
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Re: [FRIAM] Call blockers

[Edward Angel]

We get nomobobo for free from Comcast on our landline. It works real well with 
known numbers in their database and with numbers we add. We still get a lot of 
calls that use false local numbers that nomorobo can’t really block. We don’t 
add these numbers to the nomorobo database since they are generated randomly by 
the scammers and are probably not used more than once.

Ed
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> On Nov 11, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Gillian Densmore  wrote:
> 
> TELL ME ABOUT IT
> Edd Angel uses nomo robo. because I mostly use a cellphone as my number would 
> get at least that many multiple times a day, even spam texts! that cost real 
> money. It got so fucking bad I joke that I have PTSD from them. I'm trying 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.youmail.android.vvm 
>  for 
> my cellphone with ok results. Just ok. It's free. 
> Try something that's free. Or at least has a free trial before dropping 70 
> bucks to block numbnut spamers and collection callers and that free cruise. 
> Or some IRS scam from the same 20 people in india.
> I don't know how good century links thing is. 
> 
> I "love" when they call at 6am. Almost funny because it's probly the same 
> parastic leaches. The even "better" part is that it's not legal. Tmobiles 
> built phone robo calling thing is almost useless I can tell you that much. 
> It's so comically bad I know when I've reinstalled or updated android because 
> it feels like seconds before I find out all the free cruise after selling a 
> soul or 2. And unlikely to actually be free to. It's like browsing the web 
> without an addblocker. My favorite is no matter how many creative ways I find 
> to curse and motherfuck them and tell them to take me off the  spam list? I 
> could be shouting at a wall for how well it works. Ie it does about jack. 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 9:37 AM  > wrote:
> Ok.  I’m pissed.  4 spam calls before 9 this morning.  Century Link is 
> offering me a call blocker for 70 bucks, 
>  which seems to be a bit CHEAPER 
> than Amazon for the same object.  Do these things work, or is buying one just 
> going to make me angrier when the calls keep coming anyway?
> 
> N
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Application of robo-pigeon in ethological studies of bird flocks

[Edward Angel]

We were in Taiwan during their first truly democratic election. The U.S. media 
was filled with dire predictions of imminent war. The reality was that no one 
in Taiwan was worried about an attack. China and Taiwan, in spite of the 
rhetoric, were deeply coupled economically and war would be disastrous for both 
sides. The only evidence the Taiwanese newspapers reported in as a result of 
the “tensions” was an increase in the number of prostitutes arriving in Taiwan 
from Macao and Hong Kong. However, we did note that a foreign tourist was 
arrested for taking down an election banner as a souvenir which was regarded as 
serious offense. I doubt things are much different now.

We also spent time in Hong Kong just before and just after it going back to 
China. For a while not much changed and there were restrictions that prevented 
mainland Chinese from entering Hong Kong. At that time, China was very 
dependent on Hong Kong as its economic outlet to the rest of the world and 
didn’t want to threaten that status. It’s very different now as China has 
developed many other outlets and consequently they are willing to treat Hong 
Kong like the rest of China.

Ed
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> On Nov 12, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Stephen Guerin  
> wrote:
> 
> Nick,
> 
> > Is Hong Kong not being digested as we speak?  Is pressure not increasing on 
> > the Taiwanese? 
>  
> An orthogonal perspective is healing and unification post-occupation and 
> aggression by foreign powers. ie:
> North/South Vietnam
> Manchuria/China
> East/West Germany
> North/South Korea
> I am concerned about US military buildup in Taiwan 
> 
>  after agreeing to one china policy 
>  in 1979. How did we feel 
> about USSR flexing its muscle in Cuba? 
> 
> -Stephen
> 
> 这就是你想让我说的吗？ 我们现在可以在中国推出我们的软件吗？ 
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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

[Edward Angel]

Although I totally agree with Merle on the moral issues, I doubt we are going 
to change any minds on this list.

I would like to comment on some of the economic and scientific issues. Over the 
40 years I’ve been here, I’ve worked with the labs in open areas 
(visualization, remediation, non-proliferation) and have many of my students 
working at the labs. I’ve also worked with the state, the city and labs on 
economic development. Here are some observations:

NM is a welfare state; it’s welfare for physicists and a few others. While one 
can argue that it’s OK because of the basic science and defense considerations 
(which to me are somewhat suspect), from an economic development perspective, 
the labs are not helping NM in the long run. We were a very poor state before 
the labs and 80 years later we are still a very poor state in spite of the 
billions of dollars that have gone into the labs. Why have NM failed when other 
states (CA, WA, NY, MA) have prospered on the basis of science and technology? 
A large part of the reasons have to do with a welfare mentality that sees 
economic development as a way of getting more money from the government. 

The overall quality of the science at the labs is also debatable. If you’re 
doing high energy physics, you need the massive government funding. But these 
lab groups are pretty much competing only with each other so rating the quality 
of the science and its cost vs benefits  is difficult if not impossible. 
Certainly there are scientific stars at the labs but they don’t represent the 
totality of the labs. In area in which I’ve worked, there have been large 
expensive projects at the labs, the quality has been mediocre and the labs are 
almost totally unrepresented in open conferences and journals. A related issue 
is that the cost of doing science at the labs is ridiculously high, another 
consequence of their welfare status. Under the present management, many of the 
scientists have to seek external funding but the cost of a lab scientist is 
usually two to three times higher than for a university researcher. Not a good 
argument for bringing a lab to SF.

In areas where the labs have had key projects such as remediation solar energy 
where visionary scientists at the labs have started research very early, major 
projects were started and abandoned due to political decisions made in 
Washington. Is it any wonder that the labs cannot attract the best graduates in 
key areas like Computer Science?

I’d also suggest that some of you look at the various proposals that have come 
before the city. Although some of the proposals bordered on the bizarre, all 
the reasonable ones—those that recognized the debt load and the state of the 
infrastructure on the property—recognized the only viable solution was one that 
focussed on multi-use. If LANS is one of the finalists, I am pretty sure it 
will be as part of a broader proposal.

Ed

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> On Jan 13, 2020, at 9:36 PM, Merle Lefkoff  wrote:
> 
> Marcus, I spent four years at CNLS as Guest Scientist and Affiliate.  I still 
> wouldn't be O.K. if it were housed in Santa Fe.  Nuclear weapons work--and 
> Lanl is a nuclear weapons laboratory-- whether research or training or 
> administration doesn't belong anywhere on the planet.  But if it is going to 
> be pursued by flawed human beings, it belongs up on the hill.  As many of us 
> know, and you rightly point out, our local economy is in a 
> far-from-equilibrium state.  Bringing more humane education of some kind to 
> Santa Fe would provide a tiny bit more balance.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:06 PM Marcus Daniels  > wrote:
> It would make sense to put an organization like the Center for Nonlinear 
> Studies in Santa Fe.   Academics could fly in to the municipal airport, give 
> a talk and leave without it being hours more of effort slogging up and down 
> the hill.   Badging could be further streamlined, or maybe just eliminated.   
> Maybe they could even have public talks as there’d be no need for security 
> hovering at all times.   A lot of foreign nationals don’t stay to be staff 
> members, as is it advantageous to get a clearance (and a foreign national 
> cannot).   If they diffused into the Santa Fe population, maybe they’d stay 
> and create start-ups.   There is little reason to live in Los Alamos, as 
> there just is nothing up there, economically speaking, except the company.  
> (Ok, they have good schools, but that’s it.)   Smart public relations for 
> LANL if they can pull it off.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Friam mailto:fri

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

[Edward Angel]

The issue in NM and other poor places around the world is not the debate about 
whether people should or should not have children but what to do about the 
children who exist. Do we really want to hold the children responsible for the” 
sins" of their parents? It seems we who have benefited either directly or 
indirectly from the welfare that has supported the labs in NM should feel some 
responsibility to help the 75% of children in the SF schools who are on food 
aid, if for no other reason to break the cycle of poverty.

Ed
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> On Jan 14, 2020, at 11:54 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Marcus,
>  
> People have kids because they have hopes; people with more fears than hopes, 
> probably don’t have kids.  
>  
> On the other hand, there’s what my father said when, I, at the age of 40, 
> observed that I appeared to have been … a “caboose”.  “Son,” he said, as if 
> he had been planning what to say for 40 years.  “I never planned to have a 
> child; I never had a child I didn’t love.”
>  
> I suppose you might say that people have kids because … you know…. sex, and 
> they love kids because they have them. 
>  
> Not sure reason has a lot do with it.  But if you want to be entirely 
> rational, the shadow-of-the-future argument dictates that nobody should ever 
> have children because sometime in the future there will be a generation in 
> which everybody dies.  Are you sure you want to be THAT rational?  
>  
> Nick 
>  
> Nicholas Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
> Clark University
> thompnicks...@gmail.com 
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
> 
>  
>  
> From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On 
> Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 11:09 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  >
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF 
> City Hall; bring friends
>  
> Ed writes:
>  
> “For those of us concerned with economic development is a state which leads 
> in childhood poverty, the labs are not an asset, largely because of precisely 
> the points we agree on.”
>  
> Why people have kids when then have no means to support them continues to 
> baffle me.
> Los Alamos was chosen for Manhattan project because it remote and 
> inaccessible. 
>  
> Marcus
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Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology

[Edward Angel]

This weekend I received an email from a good friend in NZ. Unlike the U.S, NZ 
spent the last two months preparing for what is happening now. For example, the 
schools spent a lot of time preparing teachers to be able to teach effectively 
on line.

Ed
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> On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Barry MacKichan  
> wrote:
> 
> The case count in New Zealand is at least 100. The early cases were from 
> travelers who had been in Italy and Iran. Then the word went out that 
> citizens needed to come back to NZ, and some cases were among this 
> counter-diaspora. Then a group from a cruise ship went on a tour through Te 
> Papa, a national museum in Wellington and infected a number of others on the 
> tour. As of this weekend, they were at threat level 2 (I don’t know precisely 
> what that meant) and with clear community transmission, they upped it to 
> level 3 which means ‘You have two days to get ready for total lockdown’. 
> After two days, they will go to level 4 — total lockdown. The schools are 
> closed, university students have been sent home and classes are canceled for 
> four weeks. When they resume they will be online.
> 
> —Barry
> 
> On 21 Mar 2020, at 13:09, Steven A Smith wrote:
> 
> How, by the way, is NZ doing with this themselves?  I always think of
> them as a sort of safe-haven being as relatively isolated as they are
> yet with an anglophone first-world embedding.
> 
> - Steve
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology

[Edward Angel]

Here’s part of my friend's email. I think the differences between the US and NZ 
are clear. As a contrast to the example I pointed out, the SF schools closed 
with no preparation for online learning. After two weeks they are starting it 
using the pads they own,  Comcast hot spots and training for teachers.

_

I’m writing with a short update on life in New Zealand in the time of this 
apocalypse.

People are concerned here, just like everywhere else in the world. However, the 
response is somewhat different and speaks to life and attitudes in Aotearoa New 
Zealand. 

At this point, we have 62 cases, no deaths, and it is not clear whether we yet 
have community transmission. So far, there have been no “lockdowns” but 
everyone is being asked to do their part and follow a few new rules to be 
sensible.

Gatherings over 100 are prohibited. Borders have been closed.  When we go to a 
restaurant or bar, we need to sign in and provide our email and mobile number 
so that they could do contact tracing if necessary. Schools are still open, but 
with different programmes focused on health, emotional support, and two 
government provided meals. Supermarkets have reduced hours, so that they have 
time to restock the shelves, but there is plenty of food to go around since we 
produce significant amounts of most foods here in NZ.

Politicians of all stripes have come together to do their best to support the 
response. 

This week at the University, we will be working, in person for as long as the 
rules allow it, to transition to online delivery of courses to our students.   
Emails from our administration make clear that it is not enough merely to post 
things online and run the class as best we can.  The goal is to truly create a 
quality learning experience for students of all backgrounds, parts of which 
could create a better platform for future course delivery.

Here is a paragraph from an email we received from our Dean:

‘Being able to deliver online is not enough. We need to make the online 
experience engaging and inclusive, not just send out lecture captures. The 
week’s hiatus will give you the opportunity to redesign and adapt components of 
your courses and assessments to this new delivery mode.  I urge you to use next 
week to prepare. While I understand that preparing so quickly for online may 
result in compromises about what you deliver, this work could also potentially 
lead to innovations that will enhance your teaching long term.”


In short, the Kiwi response is less of panic and more of teamwork, kindness and 
opportunity.  This, it seems, captures the essence of NZ generally that I’ve 
noticed in my 9 months here.

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> On Mar 23, 2020, at 10:29 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Ed, 
>  
> How do you read this?  It sort of seems like, even with all that sane 
> preparation, they ended up in the same stupid stew we are in.  No?   I guess, 
> we’ll see. The needed to put all the returnees on islands and send people out 
> to the islands to live with and take care of them until the damn thing had 
> worked its way through that island.  Tuberculosis colonies.  
>  
> I tell you one thing; I aint ever going on any damned cruise again.  That’s 
> one lesson I’ve learned.  That’s one phase that’s changed. 
>  
> Oh.  Wait a minute!  Hang on!  I’ve never been on a cruise. 
>  
> Nick 
>  
> Nicholas Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
> Clark University
> thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
>  
>  
> From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On 
> Behalf Of Edward Angel
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 8:48 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  <mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology
>  
> This weekend I received an email from a good friend in NZ. Unlike the U.S, NZ 
> spent the last two months preparing for what is happening now. For example, 
> the schools spent a lot of time preparing teachers to be able to teach 
> effectively on line.
>  
> Ed
> ___
> 
> Ed Angel
> 
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
> 
> 1017 Sierra Pinon
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
> 505-984-0136 (home) 

Re: [FRIAM] Fundraiser by Christina Z. : Ohoris Staff Relief Fund

[Edward Angel]

Nick,

I have no problem with anyone wanting to support their local barista. Please 
remember also that the Food Bank really needs funds.

I do have a problem with your view of the 60’s. Those young folks you remember 
were almost 100% white middle class kids, Almost no blacks, hispanics, native 
americans or asians. At that time poverty was far higher than it is today. 
Medical care was not available to large parts of the population. And then there 
was the rest of the world at that time.

By fixating on the local situation, we tend to forget about the bigger world 
which is suffering far more than us. Countries across Asia and Africa are 
dealing with the virus in addition to refugees, lack of medical facilities, the 
impossibility of social distancing and many other factors. Lots of information 
on the web as to how bad the situation is. There are organizations combating 
these factors that are worth paying attention to.

Ed
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> On Apr 22, 2020, at 2:04 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve, 
>  
> Thanks, Steve, 
>  
> I was listening to a podcast by the guy who runs Robin Hood, an organization 
> dedicated to getting at the institutional roots of poverty.  When asked where 
> we should give money in this crisis, he said, give it where you feel passion, 
> because that is where you are likely to give it again.  I confess I feel 
> passion for these young folks, who in the 60’s would have been  in graduate 
> programs, or art or music schools, teaching, learning, inspiring, but are 
> instead meagerly supporting their passions by making me coffee.  And very 
> good coffee at that.  So that’s where my money goes.  Robin Hood 
>  might be better for 
> Glen because “According to Fortune 
>  magazine, "Robin Hood was 
> a pioneer in what is now called venture philanthropy, or charity that 
> embraces free-market forces. An early practitioner of using metrics to 
> measure the effectiveness of grants, it is a place where strategies to 
> alleviate urban poverty are hotly debated, ineffectual plans are coldly 
> discarded, and its staff of 66 hatches radical new ideas."[ 
> ”
>  
> Nicholas Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
> Clark University
> thompnicks...@gmail.com 
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
> 
>  
>  
> From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On 
> Behalf Of Steven A Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:52 PM
> To: friam@redfish.com 
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fundraiser by Christina Z. : Ohoris Staff Relief Fund
>  
> I tipped Ohori's staff, hoping that success there will maybe encourage 
> lateral transmission to other restaurants.
> I also found Sweetwater on goFundMe and gave them a little "taste" even 
> though I've only been there once. 
> https://www.gofundme.com/f/50KSWnm 
> Glen made the point with me at one point before "the time of COVID19" (on or 
> off line, I'm not sure) that the "independent spirit" of *only* helping those 
> you know or close to you is a little ??? (Narcissistic is my word).  
> I still feel it is important to NOT *use* global/national/organized 
> fundraisers as a way to appease guilt (and therefore responsibility).   The 
> pre-COVID city signs that went up trying to discourage panhandling on 
> streetcorners were good for illuminating the paradoxes.   I didn't *want* 
> people to *feel the need to* stand on street corners and know that supporting 
> local non-profits that help the the homeless and otherwise marginalized helps 
> *most* of those folks...  yet at the same time, it felt good in another way 
> to hand out a set of chemical hand/toe-warmers, a bar of chocolate, and a 
> couple of bucks to those with the fortitude, or the desperation, (or the 
> entrepreneurial spirit) to stand on the corners.   
> I don't have any answers... and this pandemic has offered the mixed blessing 
> of forcing me to consider a lot of different questions.   If my garden this 
> year begins to produce, I think I'll be setting up a self-serve farm-stand at 
> the top of my drive with three options:  A) if you need some, takes some; B) 
> if you can afford a few $$, drop it in the collection box; C) do someone you 
> know in more need than you a solid...  bring them some food or give *them* 
> the $$ you would have left in t

Re: [FRIAM] New information on COVID-19

[Edward Angel]

We’ve had two life-threatening incidents, one trekking in Nepal and the other 
in a remote part of Sri Lanka, where the availability of a pulse oximeter made 
all the difference. We now routinely check our oxygenation with one.

Ed
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> On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
> 
> I found it credible.  We're adding a pulse oximeter to the kit.
> 
> There was another report, 
> https://meaww.com/six-austrian-divers-permanently-damaged-lungs-recovery-mild-coronavirus-covid-19
>  
> .
>  scuba divers recovered from mild covid infection and ended up with lungs so 
> damaged that it is not safe for them to dive anymore.  So many people with 
> less demanding pastimes may be in a similar way but not manifesting the 
> problem, though a dive safety exam would turn it up, and maybe a pulse 
> oximeter, too.
> 
> I wonder if any of those cell phone pulsimeters could be upgraded to 
> oximeters with some calibration?
> 
> -- rec --
> 
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:32 PM Merle Lefkoff  > wrote:
> Has the list read this article in the NYTimes.  What's your take?
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html?smid=em-share
>  
> 
> 
> -- 
> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
> emergentdiplomacy.org 
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
> merlelefk...@gmail.com 
> mobile:  (303) 859-5609
> skype:  merle.lelfkoff2
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Re: [FRIAM] New information on COVID-19y bb

[Edward Angel]

The point is that if you check your blood oxygen level you might catch the 
problem before it is so bad that you have to be put on a ventilator and 
probably won’t survive.

Ed
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Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
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> On Apr 24, 2020, at 9:46 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Remind me, someone.  Why are we all buying oximeters?  I thought the burden 
> of the Times article was that IF you are sick from a “cold”, don’t wait to 
> test your O2 levels until you EXPERIENCE difficulty breathing, because by 
> then it might be too late.  Do you all have colds?   I suppose, given that it 
> takes Amazon six weeks to get one, you are wise to get a jump on it. 
>  
> Nick 
>  
> Nicholas Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
> Clark University
> thompnicks...@gmail.com 
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
> 
>  
>  
> From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On 
> Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:40 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  >
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] New information on COVID-19
>  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:32 PM Roger Critchlow  > wrote:
>>  
>> I wonder if any of those cell phone pulsimeters could be upgraded to 
>> oximeters with some calibration?
>  
> There are a bunch of cell phone pulse oximeter apps that use the cell phone 
> flash and camera, but I don't get the feeling that they've been calibrated 
> much.  It's a lot easier to write the code, call it entertainment, and reap 
> the ad revenues that to actually determine what the measurement means in the 
> general population.  Some apps have even added some of the other pulse 
> oximeter functions, perfusion, respiratory pleth,   Then, again, 
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2921597 
>  says "Smartphone-based pulse 
> oximetry is not inferior to standard pulse oximetry in pediatric patients 
> without hypoxia. Reliability was superior for PBA compared with CBA, with 
> more precise agreement for the PBA compared with the CBA. Future studies 
> should test pulse oximetry apps in a hypoxic pediatric population."  That was 
> published in 2018.
>  
> There's an interesting series of press releases from UIUC claiming that 
> measuring someone's gait (with cellphone accelerometers) over a 6 minute walk 
> is enough to get a good estimate of O_2 saturation, because people who aren't 
> getting enough O_2 apparently walk funny.
>  
> Here's an android app on github, https://github.com/YahyaOdeh/HealthWatcher 
> , with some more method 
> references, the https://github.com/topics/spo2 
>  listing has a bunch of arduino projects, too.
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Re: [FRIAM] Shakira and Plato

[Edward Angel]

No, for you to have a career as sexy singer.

Ed
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> On Apr 24, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
> What?  To date Shakira?  After her halftime performance at the Superbowl I 
> almost feel like I did.
> 
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
> 
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 12:51 PM Angel Edward  > wrote:
> Shakira was smart enough to take belly dancing and singing first. I think she 
> also studied CS. Missed your chance Frank.
> 
> Ed
> __
> 
> Ed Angel
> 
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
> 
> 1017 Sierra Pinon
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
> 505-984-0136 (home)   edward.an...@gmail.com 
> 
> 505-453-4944 (cell)   http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Frank Wimberly > > wrote:
>> 
>> I took that course in the summer between my sophomore and junior years at 
>> Berkeley.  Philosophy 20A the pre-Socratics.  I still have some of the 
>> textbooks.
>> 
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 11:35 PM Jochen Fromm > > wrote:
>> Shakira says she has finished a Coursera course about "Ancient Philosophy - 
>> Plato and his Predecessors". If Shakira can do it, we can too ;-)
>> https://twitter.com/shakira/status/1253351137866104834 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

[Edward Angel]

Most elder facilities do not require the huge buy in. In NM there are a large 
number of smaller facilities that can house up to ten people and are much less 
expensive. There are also larger ones that are pretty good that don’t have a 
buy in and charge less than 6K/month although are still out of reach for most 
New Mexicans.

The largest outbreak in ABQ is at La Vida Llena which has the big buy in and 
high monthly charge. It is generally regarded as the best facility in ABQ. It 
is run as a nonprofit by some the large mainstream churches. I have three 
friends there. The outbreak there that affected over 50 residents and staff was 
in the skilled nursing part of the facility and thus far has not affected 
independent living residents like my friends who are however under a pretty 
strict quarantine. I think the main point here is that wherever people put 
together in a small space there is grave danger. 

Ed
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Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
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505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 


> On May 4, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Prof David West  wrote:
> 
> Frank,
> 
> When looking for a facility for my mother, I found a lot of the 200K / 6K per 
> month facilities, but more than 3/4 of the facilities that exist are 
> subsidized and they simply take between 40 and 80% of the patient's social 
> security and retirement income.
> 
> I am pretty certain that the ones with intense outbreaks were the latter type.
> 
> When all the shouting is over and all the data is available, I would bet a 
> significant amount of money that the single largest comorbidity factor will 
> be poverty / lower economic status.
> 
> davew
> 
> On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 6:12 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> Dave
>> 
>> Maybe I lack adequate knowledge of the variety of care centers but the ones 
>> I know charge something like $200,000 admission and $6000 per month.  Maybe 
>> you mean "somewhat poor OR already warehoused..."
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> 
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>> 
>> On Mon, May 4, 2020, 5:31 AM Prof David West > > wrote:
>> 
>> The lesson might be if you are willing to lose the old people who are 
>> somewhat poor and already warehoused in overcrowded care facilities you 
>> don't have to lock down.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, May 3, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>>> Sounds like the lesson is that if you're willing to lose old people you 
>>> don't have to lock down.  As an old person I have my doubts about that 
>>> approach.  In the last three days one of my highschool classmates died of 
>>> covid related causes and a first cousin died of a heart attack with no 
>>> known covid involvement.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>> 
>>> 505 670-9918
>>> Santa Fe, NM
>>> 
>>> On Sun, May 3, 2020, 10:55 AM Merle Lefkoff >> > wrote:
>>> Nick, the only mainstream news program I watch is Fareed Zakaria on Sunday 
>>> morning.  Below is part of this morning's report.  Not surprisingly (for 
>>> those of us who have had the privilege recently of spending time in 
>>> Sweden), the answer to how it's working, is just about like the countries 
>>> that are locked down, with one exception.  More deaths (mostly among the 
>>> elderly who primarily live together in retirement).
>>> 
>>> As world governments employ different policies to fight Covid-19, Sweden’s 
>>> relaxed approach stands out: Eschewing lockdowns, the country has left its 
>>> schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of 
>>> the pandemic. Fareed interviews the man behind that strategy, Anders 
>>> Tegnell, the Swedish government’s top epidemiologist, about how it’s 
>>> working and whether his country can offer any lessons to the rest of the 
>>> world.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM >> > wrote:
>>> Colleagues, 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I have asked this question before and nobody has responded (for clear and 
>>> good reasons, no doubt) but I thought I would ask it again.  What exactly 
>>> is this economy we are bent on reviving?  What exactly is the difference in 
>>> human activity between our present state and a revived economy.  We can go 
>>> to bars and concerts and football games?  Is that the economy we are 
>>> reviving?  It seems to me that the difference between a “healty” economy 
>>> and our present status consists possibly in nothing more than a lot of 
>>> people frantically rushing about doing things they don’t really need to do? 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> You recall that I invoked

Re: [FRIAM] Virtual FRIAM moving to Thursdays. FRIAM will be in person on Fridays

[Edward Angel]

It’s much kinder number  in hexidecimal.

Ed
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> On Apr 11, 2022, at 3:38 PM, Stephen Guerin  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 1:34 PM Nicholas Thompson  > wrote:
> >> as the groups only octogenarian
> 
> On Thursday, Owen will be 120 in octal! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 1:34 PM Nicholas Thompson  > wrote:
> 
> Has anybody questioned St. John’s about this matter? 
> Speaking as the groups only octogenarian, I think I will wait and see how 
> many septuagenarians die before I start participating again on Friday. Nick
> 
> Sent from my Dumb Phone
> 
> On Apr 11, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Frank Wimberly  > wrote:
> 
> 
> I'll start the virtual FRIAM at the usual 9:00am on Thursday.  I hope some 
> local people attend too.
> 
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 
> 505 670-9918
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[FRIAM] Covid

[Edward Angel]

I tested positive for Covid twice yesterday. Fairly mild symptoms: achy and a 
sore throat. I thought it was an allergy but decided to get tested since we 
were expecting visitors. 

I didn’t get the symptoms till Monday evening so there is a fair chance I might 
have caught it either at FRIAM at St Johns or at brunch right after. Are all of 
you who saw me OK? The other possibility is a wedding we went to in Colorado 
the week before but that is on the far limit of the incubation period. 
Otherwise we’ve been pretty isolated.

Rose Mary tested negative twice so I’m quarantined in my home office.

Ed
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Re: [FRIAM] All Of Feynman’s Lectures Now Available Online Completely Free

[Edward Angel]

I started at Caltech in 1960, the year before Feynman Physics. Before Feynman 
took over the course, freshman physics was a terrible course that focused for 
the first two quarters on mechanics problems with a lot of strings and pulleys. 
I hated it. Feynman once claimed he started Feynman Physics because he couldn’t 
do those problems. When a friend of mine who tookFeynman Physics in 1962 
retired, he talked me into doing Feynman Physics with him and sent me a copy of 
the mimeographed problem sets from 1962. I had always thought I’d be better at 
physics if I had Feynman Physics as a freshman. After the first chapter of 
retiree Feynman Physics, I realized I was never meant to be a physicist. But it 
was a lot more interesting.

Ed
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> On Jul 22, 2022, at 7:18 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
> 
> Ah, but google finds the complete text at 
> https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/ 
>  and the videos on youtube.com 
> 
> 
> -- rec --
> 
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 9:16 AM Roger Critchlow  > wrote:
> This content isn't available right now
> When this happens, it's usually because the owner only shared it with a small 
> group of people, changed who can see it or it's been deleted.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 5:45 AM Tom Johnson  > wrote:
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Re: [FRIAM] Mike Daly death?

[Edward Angel]

He was there two Fridays ago but we exchanged email last week.

Ed

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2022, at 11:39 PM, George Duncan  wrote:
> 
> 
> That was what I was trying to remember
> 
> George Duncan
> Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University
> georgeduncanart.com
> See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram
> Land: (505) 983-6895  
> Mobile: (505) 469-4671
>  
> My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tension between matrix order and 
> luminous chaos.
> 
> "Attempt what is not certain. Certainty may or may not come later. It may 
> then be a valuable delusion."
> From "Notes to myself on beginning a painting" by Richard Diebenkorn. 
> "It's that knife-edge of uncertainty where we come alive to our truest 
> power." Joanna Macy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 8:24 PM Tom Johnson  wrote:
>> Did we see him this past Friday or was it a week earlier?
>> 
>> ===
>> Tom Johnson
>> Inst. for Analytic Journalism
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico
>> 505-577-6482
>> ===
>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022, 7:43 PM George Duncan  wrote:
>>> Sherry got the same message.  We have no other information. 
>>> 
 On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 2:46 PM Tom Johnson  wrote:
 We just got a message from Bob Martin, president of IAIA, that Mike Daly 
 died.  Mike and Ellen have been active supporters of IAIA for years.
 Does anyone have any details?
 Tom
 
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>>> georgeduncanart.com
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>>> Mobile: (505) 469-4671
>>>  
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>>> luminous chaos.
>>> 
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>>> then be a valuable delusion."
>>> From "Notes to myself on beginning a painting" by Richard Diebenkorn. 
>>> "It's that knife-edge of uncertainty where we come alive to our truest 
>>> power." Joanna Macy.
>>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

[Edward Angel]

Is there an alternate location if you find it’s closed? Please text or email me 
if you find it closed in the morning. I can’t get there until after 9:30.

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> On Dec 29, 2022, at 9:10 PM, Stephen Guerin  
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Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

[Edward Angel]

You can feel better: 0.7 ** 10 ~= 0.028. That's 40% better, although, it’s hard 
to believe that the 0.3 per year  is constant for 10 years. Or even correct.

The charts from real data seem to show the probability of an 80 year old making 
it to 90 is 30%.

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> On Jan 3, 2023, at 5:33 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
>   >For people it’s somewhere in the 70-80 ...
> 
> As I approach 80 I'm not happy about this.  I read or heard that a person 
> over 80 has about a 0.3 probability of dying each year.  I calculated, 
> possibly using incorrect assumptions, that that means that the conditional 
> probability of living to 90 given that you've lived to 80 is 0.02.
> 
> 
> ---
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> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
> 
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2023, 5:14 PM glen  > wrote:
> Interesting paper. I'll have to read it more closely. But it doesn't strike 
> me that they address *premature* mortality, whatever that is. I can't help 
> but get a Theseus' Ship vibe. Even if the canalizing risks (welding, sky 
> diving, cholesterol, dehydration, etc.) are all hammered down, I'd expect the 
> noise to overwhelm the signal as the focus tightens. Anyway, I'll try to read 
> this over the next few days. Thanks.
> 
> 
> On 1/3/23 12:31, David Eric Smith wrote:
> > Long a favorite topic of mine.
> > 
> > Let me send you a link; almost-surely not the best, but done with ~1min of 
> > google searching images:
> > https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0233384 
> >  
> >  > >
> > See the 5th figure for actual data, rather than models.
> > 
> > But my understanding is that Gompertz mortality statistics are unbelievably 
> > universal across metazoans.  The parameters can be shifted by lots of 
> > factors, but the functional form (which takes only a couple of parameters) 
> > is absurdly more robust than one would expect given all that varies.
> > 
> > Anyway, to the extent that there is Gompertz mortality, there is a natural 
> > associated age for age-associated-death.  For people it’s somewhere in the 
> > 70-80 range, and I think there can be as much as a 10-year difference 
> > across different world gene pools (Japanese being at the upper end, and 
> > maybe some other group in Central Asia east of the Caucasus; I forget).
> > 
> > A thing I remember being told by a guy who does this kind of work, there 
> > seem to be two modes between development-linked diseases (think, childhood 
> > leukemias), and age-associated diseases.  We have made remarkable progress 
> > on many of the former, and very little on many of the latter.  Also (and I 
> > got this from researchers at Einstein college in Yeshiva some years ago, or 
> > from a stack of their papers), if one avoids rather specific risk factors, 
> > like welding or smoking for lung cancers, or dioxin exposures for male 
> > breast cancers or the like, the leading predictor for most of the old-age 
> > diseases is just your age.  So it has (to me) the look of what Holmse’s 
> > Wonderful One-Hoss Shay would be if redone with Poisson statistics, to 
> > become a minimum-information process.  The nail that stuck up got hammered 
> > down (extra resources for any disease that becomes visible to selection) 
> > that now all the nails are at about the same height, and there is some kind 
> > of ambivalence frontier.
> > 
> > My own anecdotal experience suggests that my previous paragraphs can’t 
> > possibly be right, since there clearly are common and rare diseases of the 
> > old.  But I didn’t make this stuff up, and got it from some serious 
> > literature.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Eric
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jan 3, 2023, at 1:01 PM, glen  >>   >> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> ">144 mmol/l with 21% elevated risk of premature mortality". My last test 
> >> a week ago showed 144! Whew! I guess I have a normal risk for premature 
> >> mortality. 8^D
> >>
> >> The concept of "premature death" is flat out ridiculous. But our inability 
> >> to well-define it raises some interesting questions.
> >>
> >> • deprivation (by the dead, by the rest of us) - is the death of Ramanujan 
> >> at 32 *more* premature than the death of some rando at 32?
> >> • life expectancy seems like y

Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube

[Edward Angel]

Look at Donna Cox’s site at NCSA 
http://avl.ncsa.illinois.edu/who-we-are/team/donna-cox-director 


She’s been doing tornado simulations for over 15 years. We worked with her to 
put the simulation in planetarium dome. It’s much more impressive when you put 
the viewer in the middle of the tornado and immersed in it in the planetarium.

Ed
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> On May 13, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
> You should take it seriously but I'm biased.  I don't think PSC let's its 
> supercomputers be used for eye candy.  They didn't when I worked there and 
> they were accountable to NSF.
> 
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
> 
> On Wed, May 13, 2020, 3:26 PM  > wrote:
> Dear Phellow Phriammers,
> 
> Is this eyecandy, or should I take it seriously?
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gQutQQiuAI&feature=youtu.be 
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Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube

[Edward Angel]

Also even if they are not like bow ties, quadrilaterals need not be flat. 

Ed
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> On May 13, 2020, at 9:16 PM, Steven A Smith  wrote:
> 
> some quads are not...  think boomarang-like... I think there is a technical 
> term for that class of quad... also think if a "bowtie", also technically a 
> quad but potentially having "negative area".
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/13/20 9:13 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>> And quadralaterals aren’t convex?  I don’t get it. 
>>  
>> Nicholas Thompson
>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>> Clark University
>> thompnicks...@gmail.com 
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> From: Friam   
>> On Behalf Of Angel Edward
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:40 PM
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube
>>  
>> Because triangles are convex they are guaranteed to be rendered correctly. 
>> Every modern graphics system whether hardware or software is based on using 
>> triangles as the basic element.
>> __
>> 
>> Ed Angel
>> 
>> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS 
>> Lab)
>> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>> 
>> 1017 Sierra Pinon
>> Santa Fe, NM 87501
>> 505-984-0136 (home)edward.an...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 505-453-4944 (cell)   
>> http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 13, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Frank Wimberly > > wrote:
>>  
>> I'm not Marcus but in finite element analysis the discretization of a 2 
>> dimensional region is always done with triangles. It's much more flexible 
>> than rectangular grids, to oversimplify.
>>  
>> Frank
>> 
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> 
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>  
>> On Wed, May 13, 2020, 7:13 PM > > wrote:
>> Marcus,
>>  
>> Can you explain why the basic unit is a triangle?
>>  
>> Any Peircean would LOVE it. 
>>  
>> n
>>  
>> Nicholas Thompson
>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>> Clark University
>> thompnicks...@gmail.com 
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> 
>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 6:00 PM
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > >
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube
>>  
>> Check out that WaPost article for the state-of-the-art.   (The new Unreal 
>> Engine.)
>>  
>> From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> 
>> on behalf of Angel Edward > >
>> Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
>> mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > >
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube
>>  
>> I vaguely remember plot 3d. No one renders today the way it did. Cray was 
>> less than a PC with a decent graphics card. 
>>  
>> Ed
>> __
>> 
>> Ed Angel
>> 
>> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS 
>> Lab)
>> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>> 
>> 1017 Sierra Pinon
>> Santa Fe, NM 87501
>> 505-984-0136 (home)edward.an...@gmail.com 
>> 505-453-4944 (cell)   http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On May 13, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Frank Wimberly > > wrote:
>>  
>> Let me revise that a little bit.  There was a visualization of the rider's 
>> view of a roller coaster ride that ran on a Cray supercomputer.  The purpose 
>> was to demonstrate the capability and speed of a Lisp-based 3D renderer 
>> called Plot-3D or P3D or something similar.  Do you know what I'm talking 
>> about, Ed?
>> 
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> 
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>  
>> On Wed, May 13, 2020, 5:31 PM > > wrote:
>> Thanks, Frank.  
>

Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube

[Edward Angel]

The best known tornado simulation has a small anti-cyclone on the side. The 
narrator describes it as “a rarely see anit-cyclone.” Having asked many time 
whether it ever has been seen, the answer seems to be “not yet.” Clearly the 
one in the visualization is an artifact from an imperfect model.

One other comment. It used to be the case that in computer graphics if 
something looked OK that was sufficient. That’s no longer true. With the 
present computer power in GPUs, pretty every special effect you see in a movie 
is a physically-based simulation. Recent game engines come pretty close to that 
too.

Ed
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> On May 13, 2020, at 9:44 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Frank,
> I think that was the one that depicted tornadoes as arising from a horizontal 
> barrel roll being bulged upward in the middle and ultimately split into two 
> vortexes, one clockwise one, counter.  This idea does explain why sometimes a 
> weak anti-cyclonic tornado often appear next to a main cyclonic one.   But 
> the idea did seem kind of rinky-dink to me.  You are right, of course, I had 
> no way to visit the math and evaluate it
>  
> Nick
>  
> Nicholas Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
> Clark University
> thompnicks...@gmail.com 
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
> 
>  
>  
> From: Friam  On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:31 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube
>  
> The fluid dynamics model used for that visualization is based on first 
> principles.  Many years ago Nick was trying to figure out how tornadoes 
> develop.  I told him I thought this was pretty well understood and I asked 
> Droegemeier for a paper.  He sent one which I forwarded to Nick.  It was full 
> of advanced math.  
>  
> Frank
>  
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 
> 505 670-9918
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>  
> On Wed, May 13, 2020, 9:23 PM Marcus Daniels  > wrote:
>> Nick writes:
>>  
>> “The result looks so much like iconic tornado vids that we wannabee tornado 
>> chasers idolize that one suspects that the video was back constructed from 
>> that film, rather than developing organically from the physics.”
>> Suppose the equations were extracted, or the behavior re-generated, from a 
>> deep neural net (or whatever automated machine learning thing), but 
>> nonetheless were predictive of other tornados.One might reasonably ask, 
>> “Who cares?”
>> Marcus
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Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM: The Comic Edition: April 2020

[Edward Angel]

Who dod the comic?

Ed
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> On May 15, 2020, at 9:36 PM,  
>  wrote:
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Re: [FRIAM] evaporative cooling

[Edward Angel]

https://www.fieldstudyoftheworld.com/persian-ice-house-how-make-ice-desert/ 

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505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 


> On May 19, 2020, at 1:59 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> A technical question for you high-desert scientists:
>  
> How far can one take evaporative cooling?  With dewpoint temperatures in the 
> teens, how far down can the output of a swamp cooler be.  This relates to a 
> question I asked you all in the dead of winter: given a dewpoint temperature 
> way below freezing, what is the warmest shade temperature at which an icicle 
> can form. 
>  
> This is the kind of question that a Massachusetts resident would never think 
> of, let alone ponder on. 
> N
>  
> Nicholas Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
> Clark University
> thompnicks...@gmail.com 
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

[Edward Angel]

I’ve been a book author since 1972 and a textbook author since 1989. My 
computer graphics textbook has been the most popular book in the area for 20 
years and just came out in its eighth edition with various editions being 
available in Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Russian. Sadly, the book business 
has changed over that time; changed in way that is bad for almost everyone, 
especially authors. I think you’re faced with a lot of bad choices. I hope some 
of the following will prove helpful. And if not helpful, at least interesting.

Before I forget, you might enjoy reading of my adventures writing the first 
edition of my present textbook while on sabbatical in Venezuela, Ecuador, Hong 
Kong and Nepal. There’s a pointer to it on my home page www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 
 

When I had to pick a publisher, I knew the editors and  local book reps at 
Academic Press, Addison-Wesley, Prentice Hall and Benjamin/Cummings. They 
dominated the CS field and did so largely because they had editors who knew the 
field, excellent book reps who knew the needs of the faculty and students, a 
willingness to invest in a book, and in-house production. None of these exist 
anymore and, as Tom pointed out, you're largely on your own. It’s unfortunate 
if you care about how many copies get sold and your royalties. I have many 
friends who self-published in the past. It’s a lot of work either way but I 
prefer to put my effort into content and not type-setting or marketing. None of 
my self-published friends have ever sold many books.

I had three excellent editors over 20 years. When I did my first edition, my 
editor hired a development editor at great expense to improve the quality of my 
writing. She worked with the CS faculty and grad students at Caltech and 
Stanford. It made a huge difference. Now almost none of these jobs exist within 
the publishers. All production is contracted out to the low bidders (art, 
typesetting, copy editing, etc) most of whom are in India. I no longer have an 
editor. There is one person working for the publusher with whom I communicate 
with to try to get things done correctly with the contractors. This last 
edition has been a long painful experience. 

So what happened? Books were always expensive for students, especially when 
sold through college bookstores. Then used book sellers appeared and Asian 
students started importing low cost Asian versions of the standard textbooks. 
Under US copyright laws, both are legal. The publishers responded by upping 
prices which reduced sales even more.

And then came electronic media. At first, my book, like most others, was still 
print-only. But the publisher sent perfect unwatermarked pdfs to all the 
schools what adopted the book for use by students with special needs. Wasn’t 
long before those pdfs made it to the Web. Then they had a electronic version 
and a kindle version that students could rent for a semester or year. The 
publisher, the largest in the business, was clueless about web security and had 
no idea that Kindles are not secure. Very quickly, the book appeared (with most 
of the other cs texts and various best sellers) on a Russian website as a 
“public service.” End of paid sales.

The new edition is only available in electronic form and the publisher claims 
it is only available on a secure site. I doubt anyone on this list believes 
that.

Although I never in the past had issues with the publisher having the 
copyright, which was pretty standard, I wish I had it now. Since there is no 
hope of making significant royalties now (we used), my coauthor and I would 
like to put the book out for free on our websites rather than having it appear 
on various illegal Russian sites known to most students.

Personally, I no longer care about royalties but the long term issue I worry 
about is why would any young person write a textbook. It’s a huge amount of 
work and usually not something that in the academic world is valued as highly 
as research papers and grant funding.

Ed
___

Ed Angel

Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 

505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 


> On Jul 4, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Jochen Fromm  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. Yes, self-publishing is an option. I am looking for an official 
> publisher mainly for one reason, namely that other scientists and researchers 
> can cite it, since I still cling to the illusion that someone would actually 
> do it. Normally self-published texts are not considered as reliable or 
> trustworthy sources. I didn't expect that finding a decent publisher would be 
> so difficult. 
> 
> -J.
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Tom Johnson 
> Date

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

[Edward Angel]

Let me know what you need this weekend.

I don’t have a card whatever that is but it seems like another doomed effort to 
prevent unauthorized copies. There are some good aspect to the eversion, some 
of which they denied would work while we were doing the book.

I finally got a login from Pearson so I see my own work. Took a long time to 
get them to give it to me. 

Ed
___

Ed Angel

Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 
<mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu>
505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 
<http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel>

> On Jul 4, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Guerin  
> wrote:
> 
> Ed, 
> 
> I just ordered your 8th edition from Pearson 
> <https://www.pearson.com/us/higher-education/program/ANGEL-Pearson-e-Text-Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Access-Card-8th-Edition/PGM2160099.html?tab=order>
>  as I was blown away by the awesomeness of the new cover. :-)
> 
> The confirmation email tells me a *physical* access card is being shipped for 
> my digital order. 
> 
> First time I've seen this - are physical access cards for digital products 
> common for textbooks these days? I just thought it was lazy programming in 
> the shopping cart requiring a physical address for a digital product.
> 
> I have an urgent need to use your book this weekend and can not wait for 
> delivery. I will be calling the author directly while I await arrival :-) It 
> actually has to do with implementing the cover and getting the decentralized 
> capture and rendering to realtime which hinges on realtime depth-image based 
> rendering using spherical light fields while skipping any 3D cartesian 
> intermediate shenanigans. Thank you for your help so far!
> 
> -S
> 
> PS, I also checked out Amazon and they appear to be the same with the 
> physical card. 
> 
> PPS: 8th edition isn't the default choice edition on Amazon or Pearson when 
> searching. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 3:22 PM Edward Angel  <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu>> wrote:
> I’ve been a book author since 1972 and a textbook author since 1989. My 
> computer graphics textbook has been the most popular book in the area for 20 
> years and just came out in its eighth edition with various editions being 
> available in Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Russian. Sadly, the book business 
> has changed over that time; changed in way that is bad for almost everyone, 
> especially authors. I think you’re faced with a lot of bad choices. I hope 
> some of the following will prove helpful. And if not helpful, at least 
> interesting.
> 
> Before I forget, you might enjoy reading of my adventures writing the first 
> edition of my present textbook while on sabbatical in Venezuela, Ecuador, 
> Hong Kong and Nepal. There’s a pointer to it on my home page 
> www.cs.unm.edu/~angel <http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel> 
> 
> When I had to pick a publisher, I knew the editors and  local book reps at 
> Academic Press, Addison-Wesley, Prentice Hall and Benjamin/Cummings. They 
> dominated the CS field and did so largely because they had editors who knew 
> the field, excellent book reps who knew the needs of the faculty and 
> students, a willingness to invest in a book, and in-house production. None of 
> these exist anymore and, as Tom pointed out, you're largely on your own. It’s 
> unfortunate if you care about how many copies get sold and your royalties. I 
> have many friends who self-published in the past. It’s a lot of work either 
> way but I prefer to put my effort into content and not type-setting or 
> marketing. None of my self-published friends have ever sold many books.
> 
> I had three excellent editors over 20 years. When I did my first edition, my 
> editor hired a development editor at great expense to improve the quality of 
> my writing. She worked with the CS faculty and grad students at Caltech and 
> Stanford. It made a huge difference. Now almost none of these jobs exist 
> within the publishers. All production is contracted out to the low bidders 
> (art, typesetting, copy editing, etc) most of whom are in India. I no longer 
> have an editor. There is one person working for the publusher with whom I 
> communicate with to try to get things done correctly with the contractors. 
> This last edition has been a long painful experience. 
> 
> So what happened? Books were always expensive for students, especially when 
> sold through college bookstores. Then used book sellers appeared and Asian 
> students started importing low cost Asian versions of the st

Re: [FRIAM] Illegal copies of your book

[Edward Angel]

Yes. libgen is a mirror site for libgen.io  that has 
everything on it. It gets taken down every once in a while. They lost a suit 
from the publishers but being located in Eastern Europe that doesn’t help. When 
I first went to the site, it asked me to turn off my add blocker so THEY could 
make some money. Then I looked at their donation tab and the only way to donate 
was via bitcoin or an Eastern European credit card.

Students tell me they all know about the site.

Ed
___

Ed Angel

Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 

505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 


> On Jul 4, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Roger Frye  wrote:
> 
> Ed,
> FYI: The latest edition that I see on the Israeli version of the pirate site 
> (libgen.is ) is the 7th.
> -Roger

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Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

[Edward Angel]

Publishers are not good guys.

One counter example: CRC Press returned the copyright to a couple books in 
which I had chapters because there weren’t many sales and we were able to put 
our chapters online. The books had only been out a couple of years.

Pearson has violated by contract in a way that had little financial impact but 
really pissed me off. So what can I do? Suing them is not a realistic option.

Ed
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Ed Angel

Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 

505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 


> On Jul 4, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Eric Charles  
> wrote:
> 
> Nick said " the contract should explicitly say that rights revert to the 
> author when the publisher no longer maintains the book in print and promotes 
> it."
> 
> I handwrote that into the contract for the book on New Realism (presumably 
> based on a suggestion from you). Alas, that's an almost nonsensical insertion 
> at this point. The company will maintain a website that lists the book 
> indefinitely, with it available for purchase from various marketplaces such 
> as Amazon and Google books. So it is "maintained" and "promoted", at no cost, 
> in perpetuity, and is always available, because books can now easily be 
> printed on demand in single copy. I expect nowadays it might make more sense 
> to say something like: "If the book sells no copies in X years, in any medium 
> supported by the publisher, then the rights revert to the author."
> 
> It has been nine years, and the book still hasn't sold enough copies for me 
> to see a penny. 
> 
> If I were writing a novel I would definitely either self publish or find a 
> firm that focuses on online publishing, and which returns a definite 
> marketing plan in return for their cut (there are firms that focus on 
> kickstarting novels, or other internet forums, for example). 
>  
> 
> ---
> Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
> Department of Justice - Personnel Psychologist
> American University - Adjunct Instructor
>  
> 
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 4:46 PM  > wrote:
> At the very list, the contract should explicitly say that rights revert to 
> the author when the publisher no longer maintains the book in print and 
> promotes it.  I often edited my magazine contracts to give only first rights. 
>  I agree with Tom, that copyright should stay with the author.
> 
>  
> 
> N
> 
>  
> 
> Nicholas Thompson
> 
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
> 
> Clark University
> 
> thompnicks...@gmail.com 
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On 
> Behalf Of Tom Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 2:32 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  >
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed
> 
>  
> 
> Another advantage of self-publishing is that you retain the copyright.  Ergo, 
> you can license it to a publisher for an updated edition or just distribution.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:25 PM Jochen Fromm  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks. Yes, self-publishing is an option. I am looking for an official 
> publisher mainly for one reason, namely that other scientists and researchers 
> can cite it, since I still cling to the illusion that someone would actually 
> do it. Normally self-published texts are not considered as reliable or 
> trustworthy sources. I didn't expect that finding a decent publisher would be 
> so difficult. 
> 
>  
> 
> -J.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  Original message 
> 
> From: Tom Johnson mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com>>
> 
> Date: 7/4/20 20:10 (GMT+01:00)
> 
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  >
> 
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed
> 

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

[Edward Angel]

Thanks but the story is more complex. 

What transpired is in retrospect somewhat amusing. I received an email from 
someone at a university that was using the book asking if I knew there was a ps 
file on the web of the whole book. I checked it out, contacted the instructor 
who had it taken down. I had no idea how anyone had obtained a perfect copy of 
the book. Even during copyediting, I never was given access to a final ps 
version with even the typesetting marks. My editor started a big investigation 
at Pearson to see who had violated security during production only to find out 
after weeks that the people at Pearson who dealt with accessibility issues were 
sending out the file to every school that adopted the book (at the time around 
200 just in the US).

What is odd to me is that the last time I checked libgen.io 
<http://libgen.io/>, which was a while ago, the version there was not a ps 
version put a pdf in which you could use the TOC interactively so I figured it 
was the kindle version which my editor, who had become somewhat expert at this, 
showed me how easy it is to get the kindle version. Apparently what is the the 
situation now is that the ps version is libgen.is <http://libgen.is/> so 
someone else must have uploaded it.

The material on the Indian decision on respect to fair use was very 
interesting. I was familiar with the fair use policies in the U.S. and the U.K. 
In spirit, they are the same. However, the problem is not fair use but with 
sites like libgen, where anyone can upload a file irrespective of copyright or 
ownership  That file is then available worldwide to everyone. Consequently, the 
holders of the copyright have no protection at all other than some people 
having ethical issues with libgen. Sadly, I find many of my colleagues and 
students do not see this as an ethical issue. 

Ed

___

Ed Angel

Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 
<mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu>
505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 
<http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel>

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Sarbajit Roy  wrote:
> 
> Edward
> 
> The PDF of the 7th edition of your book being widely circulated was very 
> likely not generated from its Kindle version, but from the Postscript version 
> used to print your book. It was generated using Adobe Distiller 7+ for a 
> Macintosh. Must have been cloned from one of those unwatermarked copies 
> dished out by your publisher's marketing team to "potential" customers.
> 
> Sarbajit
> 
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:52 AM Edward Angel  <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu>> wrote:
> I’ve been a book author since 1972 and a textbook author since 1989. My 
> computer graphics textbook has been the most popular book in the area for 20 
> years and just came out in its eighth edition with various editions being 
> available in Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Russian. Sadly, the book business 
> has changed over that time; changed in way that is bad for almost everyone, 
> especially authors. I think you’re faced with a lot of bad choices. I hope 
> some of the following will prove helpful. And if not helpful, at least 
> interesting.
> 
> Before I forget, you might enjoy reading of my adventures writing the first 
> edition of my present textbook while on sabbatical in Venezuela, Ecuador, 
> Hong Kong and Nepal. There’s a pointer to it on my home page 
> www.cs.unm.edu/~angel <http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel> 
> 
> When I had to pick a publisher, I knew the editors and  local book reps at 
> Academic Press, Addison-Wesley, Prentice Hall and Benjamin/Cummings. They 
> dominated the CS field and did so largely because they had editors who knew 
> the field, excellent book reps who knew the needs of the faculty and 
> students, a willingness to invest in a book, and in-house production. None of 
> these exist anymore and, as Tom pointed out, you're largely on your own. It’s 
> unfortunate if you care about how many copies get sold and your royalties. I 
> have many friends who self-published in the past. It’s a lot of work either 
> way but I prefer to put my effort into content and not type-setting or 
> marketing. None of my self-published friends have ever sold many books.
> 
> I had three excellent editors over 20 years. When I did my first edition, my 
> editor hired a development editor at great expense to improve the quality of 
> my writing. She worked with the CS faculty and grad students at Caltech and 
> Stanford. It made a huge difference. Now almost none of these jobs exist 
> within the publishers. All production is contracted out to the 

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

[Edward Angel]

> 
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 7:11 PM Sarbajit Roy  <mailto:sroy...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I got your book from here 
> https://www.pdfdrive.com/interactive-computer-graphics-a-top-down-approach-with-webgl-edward-angel-and-dave-d38281420.html
>  
> <https://www.pdfdrive.com/interactive-computer-graphics-a-top-down-approach-with-webgl-edward-angel-and-dave-d38281420.html>
> 
> The Indian judgment is clear, Reproduction is limited to a copy which the 
> teacher/institute has LEGALLY purchased.
> 
> There are other judgments from the same court directing that thousands of 
> infringing movie piracy websites (and their whack-a-mole clones) are blocked 
> in India for copyright violation and harm caused to producers.
> https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Utv_Software_Communication_Ltd._..._vs_1337X.To_And_Ors_on_10_April_2019-1.pdf
>  
> <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Utv_Software_Communication_Ltd._..._vs_1337X.To_And_Ors_on_10_April_2019-1.pdf>
> 
> Sarbajit
> 
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 5:17 AM Edward Angel  <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu>> wrote:
> Thanks but the story is more complex. 
> 
> What transpired is in retrospect somewhat amusing. I received an email from 
> someone at a university that was using the book asking if I knew there was a 
> ps file on the web of the whole book. I checked it out, contacted the 
> instructor who had it taken down. I had no idea how anyone had obtained a 
> perfect copy of the book. Even during copyediting, I never was given access 
> to a final ps version with even the typesetting marks. My editor started a 
> big investigation at Pearson to see who had violated security during 
> production only to find out after weeks that the people at Pearson who dealt 
> with accessibility issues were sending out the file to every school that 
> adopted the book (at the time around 200 just in the US).
> 
> What is odd to me is that the last time I checked libgen.io 
> <http://libgen.io/>, which was a while ago, the version there was not a ps 
> version put a pdf in which you could use the TOC interactively so I figured 
> it was the kindle version which my editor, who had become somewhat expert at 
> this, showed me how easy it is to get the kindle version. Apparently what is 
> the the situation now is that the ps version is libgen.is <http://libgen.is/> 
> so someone else must have uploaded it.
> 
> The material on the Indian decision on respect to fair use was very 
> interesting. I was familiar with the fair use policies in the U.S. and the 
> U.K. In spirit, they are the same. However, the problem is not fair use but 
> with sites like libgen, where anyone can upload a file irrespective of 
> copyright or ownership  That file is then available worldwide to everyone. 
> Consequently, the holders of the copyright have no protection at all other 
> than some people having ethical issues with libgen. Sadly, I find many of my 
> colleagues and students do not see this as an ethical issue. 
> 
> Ed
> 
> ___
> 
> Ed Angel
> 
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
> 
> 1017 Sierra Pinon
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
> 505-984-0136 (home)   an...@cs.unm.edu 
> <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu>
> 505-453-4944 (cell)   http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 
> <http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel>
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Sarbajit Roy > <mailto:sroy...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Edward
>> 
>> The PDF of the 7th edition of your book being widely circulated was very 
>> likely not generated from its Kindle version, but from the Postscript 
>> version used to print your book. It was generated using Adobe Distiller 7+ 
>> for a Macintosh. Must have been cloned from one of those unwatermarked 
>> copies dished out by your publisher's marketing team to "potential" 
>> customers.
>> 
>> Sarbajit
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:52 AM Edward Angel > <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu>> wrote:
>> I’ve been a book author since 1972 and a textbook author since 1989. My 
>> computer graphics textbook has been the most popular book in the area for 20 
>> years and just came out in its eighth edition with various editions being 
>> available in Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Russian. Sadly, the book business 
>> has changed over that time; changed in way that is bad for almost everyone, 
>> especially authors. I think you’re faced with a lot of bad choices. I hope 
>> some of the following w

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

[Edward Angel]

Gil,

Personally there are no financial gains in the form of residuals or research 
royalties from my research. In most colleges and universities, especially in 
science and engineering, successful researchers are expected to have a lot of 
external support through grants and are paid better, often much better, than 
their colleagues. If any of their work is patentable or leads to a commercial 
entity, they have to work out a split with the university. It can get 
complicated if the work is done through allowable consulting time or one’s 
personal time.

Right to creative work like books, music and art has traditionally belonged to 
the faculty member.

Policies with respect to software have evolved over the past 30 years. 
Generally, if I develop software as part of my teaching or research and 
commercialize it in some way, I have to negotiate the terms with the 
university, I can, however, make anything I develop open source. It took a 
while for universities to agree that that that decision is totally up to the 
faculty member.

The rules on IP for students are totally different and embedded in federal law. 
Generally, students own the rights to anything they produce, whether or not 
it’s part of assigned work in a class.

Ed
__

Ed Angel

Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 
<mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu>
505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 
<http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel>

> On Jul 6, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Gillian Densmore  wrote:
> 
> I did not know that either about india. Thanks!
> Ed do you get residuals and research royalties from your work? (not to pry) 
> just curious to get my head around the economics of this.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 5:28 PM ∄ uǝlƃ  <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Nick has asked us to consider ways in which society, given its current 
> structure including sci-hub and libgen, peer network theft, "late stage" 
> capitalism (including things like Amazon and the gig economy), the decline of 
> universities, youtube, and everything else, might *facilitate* 
> non-credentialed, paid, authorship ... or more generally intellectual work 
> outside academia. I don't have any kind of response, yet. But given that 
> question and your calling out libgen (and its use) as an ethical question 
> *and* given your description that the creators aren't paid much as things 
> are, I'd like to know how you (and everyone else) parse things like Aaron 
> Schwartz' Open Access Manfesto, the FAIR principles, CopyLeft, etc.
> 
> It strikes me one could decide using libgen is ethically necessary, or at 
> least virtuous.
> 
> I don't think that. But I have a friend who comes close. He hosted Game of 
> Thrones nights at his house, attended by several of their friends [†]. Early 
> on, he stole the episodes with Torrent. When that dried up, they shared a 
> single Netflix login so all of them (maybe 10 or so) could watch while 
> minimizing the cost. And every single one of these households pulls in >$100k 
> per year. There's literally zero financial reason to go to such extents to 
> steal that sort of content ... *except* if they believe they're "justified" 
> or "right" in doing so.
> 
> So, if the existence of, contribution to, and use of libgen is an ethical 
> question, do you think someone who decides they *should* participate in the 
> project has made a reasonable ethical choice?
> 
> 
> [†] I still wonder why they never invited us to their GoT parties. >8^D
> 
> On 7/5/20 4:47 PM, Edward Angel wrote:
> > Consequently, the holders of the copyright have no protection at all other 
> > than some people having ethical issues with libgen. Sadly, I find many of 
> > my colleagues and students do not see this as an ethical issue. 
> 
> On 7/6/20 4:04 PM, Edward Angel wrote:
> > You are just touching the surface of how authors are not making profits.
> > 
> > If a book is sold in a college bookstore (all of which rip off students) I 
> > get my contractual royalties (18% of net which is about 80% of gross). 
> > Sounds good but then there are a number of side deals (my six monthly 
> > royalty statement is over 20 pages long). 
> > 
> > Net from an Amazon sales is almost nothing.
> > 
> > Any international sales reduce any royalty by 50%. An Amazon sale in India 
> > or China nets me almost nothing.
> > 
> > But it gets worse.
> > 
> > There is an International Edition which is handled through Pearson in Hong 
> > Kong. T

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

[Edward Angel]

 being targeted by BLM and antifa. Perhaps the incentive 
> and motive systems are the causes; and outcomes like libgen are the symptoms.
> 
> 
> [†] I'm currently (slowly, as usual) reading a nice little book called 
> "Ignorance" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13574594-ignorance 
> <https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13574594-ignorance> that makes this 
> point nicely. I put the book down in disgust when he started yapping about 
> quantum mechanics. Why does everyone always do that even if they admit 
> upfront they don't know what they're talking about? [sigh] Anyway, I got over 
> it and have started again.
> 
> On 7/7/20 4:59 AM, Edward Angel wrote:
> > I have to negotiate the terms with the university, I can, however, make 
> > anything I develop open source. It took a while for universities to agree 
> > that that that decision is totally up to the faculty member.
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Re: [FRIAM] Pechakucha Santa Fe

[Edward Angel]

When we did these at the SF Complex, part of the fun was that there was no 
topic and presenters could talk about anything. And they did.

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> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:
> 
> this PechaKucha group (in Santa Fe) started up back while sfX was still
> afloat and I think we even hosted their first event?
> 
> https://www.architecturesantafe.org/pk-posts/meet-our-pechakucha-vol-7-presenters
> 
> It seems like this was about the same time as "Lightning Talks" and
> "Ignite" and similar formats were on the rise.   I have mixed feelings
> about the actual delivery of these things, but I *do* think that it is a
> good exercise to try to condense an idea/pitch/topic to 20 slides with
> 20 seconds budgeted each to cover it.  
> 
> The topic for this event is "Profit"...   In any case, they accepted my
> "registration" for the virtual event tomorrow night, so I'm guessing
> they are not "full" yet. 
> 
> I think of them as bringing "design thinking" to a broad range of
> problems... that may not be a fair synopsis, but it's what I've got.
> 
> - Steve
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Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

[Edward Angel]

Why would you call the limit of the increasing smaller squares a “square”? 
Would you still say it has a dimension of 2? It has no area and no perimeter. 
In fractal geometry we can create objects with only slightly different 
constructions that in the limit have a zero area and an infinite perimeter. 

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
> p.s.  Zeno's Paradox is related to
> 
> 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 +...
> 
> = Sum(1/(2^n)) for n = 1 to infinity
> 
> = 1
> 
> (Note:  Sum(1/(2^n)) for n = 0 to infinity
> 
> = 1/(1 - (1/2)) = 2)
> 
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> 
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 8:49 PM Frank Wimberly  > wrote:
> Incidentally, people are used to seeing limits that aren't reached such a  
> limit as x goes to infinity of 1/x = 0.  But there are limits such as limit 
> as x goes to 3 of x/3 = 1.  The question of the squares is the latter type.  
> There is no reason the area of the small square doesn't reach 0.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 7:36 PM Eric Charles  > wrote:
> This is a Zeno's Paradox styled challenge, right? I sometimes describe 
> calculus as a solution to Zeno's paradoxes, based on the assumption that 
> paradoxes are false. 
> 
> The solution, while clever, doesn't' work if we assert either of the 
> following: 
> 
> A) When the small-square reaches the limit it stops being a square (as it is 
> just a point). 
> 
> B) You can never actually reach the limit, therefore the small square always 
> removes a square-sized corner of the large square, rendering the large bit 
> no-longer-square. 
> 
> The solution works only if we allow the infinitely small square to still be a 
> square, while removing nothing from the larger square. But if we are allowing 
> infinitely small still-square objects, so small that they don't stop an 
> object they are in from also being a square, then there's no Squareland 
> problem at all: Any arbitrary number of squares can be fit inside any other 
> given square. 
> 
> 
> 
> ---
> Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
> Department of Justice - Personnel Psychologist
> American University - Adjunct Instructor
>  
> 
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 7:59 PM cody dooderson  > wrote:
> A kid momentarily convinced me of something that must be wrong today. 
> We were working on a math problem called Squareland 
> (https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1q3qr65tzau8lLGWKxWssXimrSdqwCQnovt0vgHhw7ro/edit#slide=id.p
>  
> ).
>  It basically involved dividing big squares into smaller squares. 
> I volunteered to tell the kids the rules of the problem. I made a fairly 
> strong argument for why a square can not be divided into 2 smaller squares, 
> when a kid stumped me with a calculus argument. She drew a tiny square in the 
> corner of a bigger one and said that "as the tiny square area approaches 
> zero, the big outer square would become increasingly square-like and the 
> smaller one would still be a square". 
> I had to admit that I did not know, and that the argument might hold water 
> with more knowledgeable mathematicians. 
> 
> The calculus trick of taking the limit of something as it gets infinitely 
> small always seemed like magic to me. 
> 
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

[Edward Angel]

There really does not need to be a difference, Coordinate free geometry is much 
like vector analysis. You have the equivalent of axioms and I suppose if you so 
desire you can bring in formal proofs and all the other concepts you like. But 
what it does for me is give a unified view of linear algebra, odes and geometry 
as just different instantiations of the same objects and their methods.

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:46 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
> OK.  As long as you grok the difference between the mathematical concept and 
> the OO concept.
> 
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> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 3:41 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙  > wrote:
> We used to have this argument all the time about the apt use of relational 
> vs. OO databases. As in Ed's conception, the same square can be associated 
> with multiple locations. Then to update all the renderings of that 1 square, 
> say, change its color from red to blue, all you need do is change the object 
> and all its renderings change as a result. That's pretty handy.
> 
> But what if you really did want multiple squares so that changing the color 
> of this square over here didn't change the color of that square over there? 
> You might want "square" to be a class but have color be an instance property 
> so you could change each square to a different color. Or you might even have 
> a concept of *scope* so that all  the squares in a neighborhood changed, but 
> no those far away ... or only the squares that are also rotated 90° 
> (invisibly) would change color, but those that haven't been rotated stay 
> whatever color they are.
> 
> To my mind, computationalists tend to think like the latter (collections of 
> instances) whereas analysts tend to think like the former ("normalized" or 
> "unified"). I'm agnostic and like both teams. But when I see one team 
> winning, I tend to traitoriously jump from one side to the other.
> 
> On 7/23/20 2:26 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> > What?
> > 
> > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 2:56 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙  >   > >> wrote:
> > 
> > Ha! No way. If that were true, then to mow my lawn, I'd only have to 
> > mow the little part in the corner and voilá all the other patches would 
> > also be mowed.
> > 
> > On 7/23/20 1:52 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> > > "is the same sized square, e.g. at {0.5,0.5}, the same square as the 
> > one at {10.5-10,10.5-10}" 
> > >
> > > If you agree that 10.5 - 10 = 0.5 then same square, different name.
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Re: [FRIAM] albuquerque

[Edward Angel]

It’s not an ABQ problem as much as a Bernalillo sheriff problem. He’s been at 
odds with the mayor, the council, the governor and the senator for a long time. 
Among other things he fought body cams for the police.

ABQ has long had a serious problem with the police shooting people. A few years 
ago the Justice Dept intervened. Perhaps things are getting better but the ABQ 
police (don’t know about the county sheriffs) have had a large number of 
vacancies, due in large part to to the low salaries.

Here’s an excerpt from an email from the NM ACLU

"Also this week, we called for the resignation of Sheriff Manuel Gonzales after 
we learned that he was collaborating with the Trump Administration to send to 
Albuquerque the same unmarked federal forces that have been terrorizing 
protestors, reporters, and legal observers in Portland, OR. Beyond this move, 
Sheriff Gonzales’ out of step policing practices and refusal to adopt body-worn 
cameras has shown time and time again that he is more interested in his own 
personal advancement than the safety and well-being of the communities in his 
care. As you may remember from this time a year ago, three of Sheriff Gonzales’ 
deputies responded to a mental health call that ended in Elisha Lucero 

 losing her life after being shot 21 times.  Rather than investing in our 
community’s safety with commonsense reforms to improve transparency, 
accountability, and training for his deputies, Sheriff Gonzales is actively 
working with the Trump administration to bring militarized federal police to 
our neighborhoods. It is time for him to make way for a Bernalillo County 
Sheriff who will stand with our community in a spirit of service, humility, and 
compassion."

Ed
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> On Jul 25, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Gillian Densmore  wrote:
> 
> Simple nothing. Other than being supporter of 45. I knew Abq is having a bit 
> more crime related to desperation from being layd off, and a poor job market. 
> I hadn't realized it escalated to the point of needing to call in federal 
> troopers. Just from quick googling: it didn't' He's trying to get good with 
> 45. Who knows why. 45 only cares about 3 people. 'Me, myself, and 1'
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:26 AM Steve Smith  > wrote:
> 
> > The Bernalillo County sheriff invited them in.
> 
> I just watched a brief interview with the BC Sheriff.   On one hand he
> "sounded" fairly reasonable and talked about "improving relations with
> federal agencies to help with the violent crime and gun violence, etc."
> and implied that nothing like Portland would happen, but then began to
> hmmm and haww (glen's terms) about whether these Federal Agents might
> show up at protests.   He stated "Portland is about politics, this is
> about violent crime".
> 
> When asked about his political affiliations, he claimed Democrat, but
> when asked about what D policies he agrees with (or not) he hmmm's and
> hawwed again and said he "is not a legislator, but if you want to ask me
> questions about law enforcement... yadda yadda" but was immediately
> asked if he was going to resign (as requested by many in response to
> this move) and he used that opportunity to announce that he was
> "planning to run for Mayor".   It seemed odd to claim "I'm just a humble
> sheriff with no interest or knowledge of legislation or governance" and
> then pivot to 'I think I could run this city well'".  
> 
> I don't live in ABQ but I have lived very close to the hotbed of (mostly
> drug-fueled?) crime in the Espanola Valley area for 40 years and
> previously on the border of AZ/MX (albeit before the Peso crashed or the
> war on drugs was launched), and I am sympathetic with the challenges of
> "honest citizens" and LEO in the face of the kind of crime fueled by
> narcotic-trafficking (both the range of altered states of participants
> and the huge concentrations of $$ involved).I'm pretty
> Libertarianish when it comes to "illegal" drugs, but having lived near,
> and observed how the *traffic* around it is hugely damaging to a
> community, I have mixed feelings.   I was never a huge fan of Gary
> Johnson as Gov or Pres Candidate but his stance on decriminalization was
> a breath of fresh air.  
> 
> The point is that while I am confident that Trump's public
> announcement/deployment to these cities is entirely political, I'm not
> sure that everyone who is receptive to that (e.g. BC Sheriff) is
> responding politically... it likely e

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

[Edward Angel]

Gary,

Does temporally past the age of direct involvement  imply we’ll be more 
involved when we’re 80? or 90?

Seriously though, I believe a lot can be accomplished by us old farts by being 
willing to get out of our comfort zones. A few years ago I would have never 
thought I’d be involved working with 4th-6th graders in the worst performing 
school in Santa Fe. But here I am making videos about CS ideas for the closed 
schools. Anyone who is willing to help can work with us through the SF Alliance 
for Science.

Ed
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> On Jul 31, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Gary Schiltz  wrote:
> 
> Well, you and Debbie are late bloomers.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 1:03 PM Frank Wimberly  > wrote:
> Yep.  We are raising an 8 year old but he goes to private school. 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:37 AM Gary Schiltz  > wrote:
> Probably the reason K-12 underfunding isn't addressed much here has to do 
> with the fact that the list is populated by a high proportion of us old farts 
> and fartesses :-) who are temporally past the age of direct involvement with 
> K-12 and kids in general. I suspect that the more politically left-leaning, 
> as well as many of the centrist-leaning inhabitants would support 
> significantly higher and more evenly distributed funding of K-12 public 
> education. I would make the same claim for health care spending. Ultimately, 
> a modern society depends on a well-educated, healthy citizenry, which the USA 
> seems determined to make a luxury.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:11 AM Angel Edward  > wrote:
> [...]
> Nevertheless, what I see as the overriding issue that doesn’t get addressed 
> on this list is the underfunding of public K-12 schools. Whatever position 
> any of us might have as what we’d like to see at the college level, it isn’t 
> going to happen with the present situation of the public schools.  As long as 
> the public schools can’t provide an equal education for all its students, we 
> can’t expect the colleges to solve the educational problem. 
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Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

[Edward Angel]

Literally it says “it pleases me” which is the passive voice leading to the 
question who is “it?"
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> On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Gary Schiltz  wrote:
> 
> I'm no grammar expert, even in my native English, but I don't believe "me 
> gusta el cafe" is using passive voice. It literally says "coffee pleases me". 
> Comments, Frank? But then, I may be confused about what passive voice is.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Angel Edward  > wrote:
> Isn’t it a consequence of the routine use of the passive voice in Spanish as 
> in “me gusta” instead of “yo gusto?”
> 
> The passive voice is pretty much gone in textbooks but I occasionally I get 
> objections from Spanish speakers who claim my textbook can’t be serious 
> because I don’t use the passive voice.
> 
> Ed
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> 
> Ed Angel
> 
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> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
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>> On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Gary Schiltz > > wrote:
>> 
>> Despite living in a Spanish speaking country for 12 years, I still struggle 
>> mightily with Spanish grammar. This is mainly due to laziness on my part, as 
>> well as lack of necessity to immerse myself in the language (there are a lot 
>> of English speakers here, not to mention expat groups on Facebook in 
>> English). Still, Spanish is *so* much more consistent in all respects than 
>> English - pronunciation especially. But the reflexive verbs are still 
>> somewhat of a mystery to me. I've wondered exactly the same thing that Frank 
>> mentioned: does "the cup fell itself on me" and "the pencil broke itself on 
>> mf" represent desire to avoid responsibility? Maybe even blame the victim? 
>> Ouch! Your nose nearly broke my fist!
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:06 PM Tom Johnson > > wrote:
>> Or the equally famous Spanish phrase, "The pencil broke itself."  A phrase 
>> which you think I would remember.
>> TJ
>> 
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>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Frank Wimberly > > wrote:
>> In Spanish if you drop your cup you say, "See me cayó la taza".  A literal 
>> word--for-word  translation is "The cup fell itself on me".  Some people say 
>> this is an effort to avoid responsibility.
>> 
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>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 9:01 AM Barry MacKichan > > wrote:
>> Very much so. We hired a grad student a long time ago (he stayed with us 
>> until he retired). He wrote great Pascal programs. He wrote great Pascal 
>> programs in C++, and in JavaScript. The effect of your first programming 
>> language on style, idioms, and your feelings about recursion and 
>> encapsulation.
>> 
>> —Barry
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>> On 6 Aug 2020, at 23:24, thompnicks...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
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>> Nah.  He means more than that.  Even ordinary languages predispose users to 
>> one kind of discourse or another.  I assume that programming languages do 
>> the same. 
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Re: [FRIAM] The Strange Numbers That Birthed Modern Algebra

[Edward Angel]

I wrote the following for Reuben Hersh’s memorial. The story is from when 
Reuben, Vera and I were in the same carpool to UNM.

During one of our commutes, Reuben and I were sharing the back seat and Reuben 
brought up the subject of quaternions. For the mathematician quaternions, which 
are the extension of simple complex numbers from two to three dimensions, have 
a long and interesting history. Their discovery took a long time even though 
some of the best mathematicians worked the problem. Nevertheless, they are both 
simple and elegant. Reuben, of course, loved them for both the history and the 
mathematics and was going to talk about them in his upcoming class. I mentioned 
that quaternions are used extensively in computer graphics (any student who 
takes a class in computer graphics knows about them), animation (for designing 
camera paths), aerospace (for head mounted displays) and by NASA (in rocket 
control systems). Reuben was amazed. His response was “Someone actually uses 
them!?” When we got to Albuquerque, Reuben, still in a state of amazement, 
dragged me to his class, put me in front, and his introduction was “this guy is 
going to tell you how people actually use quaternions.” He then sat in the 
back, thoroughly enjoying my impromptu lecture. 

Ed

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> On Sep 7, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Tom Johnson  wrote:
> 
> The 19th-century discovery of numbers called “quaternions” gave 
> mathematicians a way to describe rotations in space, forever changing physics 
> and math.
> 
> https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-strange-numbers-that-birthed-modern-algebra-20180906/?fbclid=IwAR32bY8dnkg_hCYImiFlJgJL3g_r1CR9Eos4V_YEPcb7bvYJWlTe-8-83fY
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Re: [FRIAM] Another Abel prize interview

[Edward Angel]

I first met Peter Lax when I was a grad student, He and my PhD advisor were 
good friends and he was visiting our group at USC. It turned out that Peter and 
I went to the same high school in NY, something he never forgot. I think it was 
when I was visiting my parents a little later that Peter invited me to give a 
talk at Courant. It was a pretty scary experience for a young grad student but 
it went well and we later had a wonderful lunch with his wife in Greenwich 
Village. 

It was much later when I came to NM and met Reuben that we realized our 
mathematical connections.

Ed
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> On Jan 21, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Roger Frye  wrote:
> 
> Peter Lax, Mathematician: An Illustrated Memoir
> by Reuben Hersh 
> 
>  (Author)
> https://smile.amazon.com/Peter-Lax-Mathematician-Illustrated-Memoir/dp/1470417081/ref=sr_1_1
>  
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 8:34 AM Frank Wimberly  > wrote:
> I know that Lax reviewed a late draft which suggests it was essentially 
> complete.
> 
> Frank
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> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 8:30 AM Barry MacKichan  > wrote:
> Reuben said he was working on a biography of Peter Lax (his advisor). Does 
> anyone know if he ever finished it?
> 
> An aside. The first national math meeting I attended was in 1966. It was in 
> San Francisco and I was at Stanford. It was where I finally was able to put 
> faces to names. Peter Lax was one of the first ones I saw — his chin was 
> unmistakable.
> 
> —Barry
> 
> 
> 
> On 20 Jan 2021, at 15:21, jon zingale wrote:
> 
> mmm... perhaps even better is this one with Reuben's advisor:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU1WNG68YfY&ab_channel=TheAbelPrize 
> 
> 
> He talks about all kinds of good stuff: the work of Richtmyer, solutions,
> nonlinear approximations, carving semi-groups from unitary Lie groups in the
> study of scattering, and surprisingly the Riemann hypothesis in terms of
> decaying signals!
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Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

[Edward Angel]

Going back to Dave’s original post, to me a big part of the issue is what is 
meant by “coding.” Unfortunately for manys in CS education, coding has come to 
refer only to the very last step in a complex process; namely, converting a 
final detailed set of instructions into computer code for a particular computer 
language. This is especially true of what as happened in the schools with 
programs that claim to teach coding and STEM. It’s why many of us prefer to use 
the term “computational thinking” when dealing with CS education.

If coding is just the final step (which could be replaced by a machine, if not 
now but soon) then it would be orthogonal to all these other skills.

Ed
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> On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:41 AM, Prof David West  wrote:
> 
> For a while now there has been a huge push to teach kids how to code. 
> Ostensibly because it enhances skills like language, logic, and math; plus, 
> "computer literacy" is essential in a world filled with computers.
> 
> A study at MIT suggests that coding skill is orthogonal to reading skill and 
> has little, if any, influence on development of logic/math skills.
> 
> An article in the Journal of Neuroscience argues that if you want to increase 
> the "skills and brainpower" of kids you should teach them music.
> 
> I came across this information peripherally and have not read the specific 
> research reported on. I want the reports to be accurate representation of the 
> research because it confirms long held biases against the value of 
> "computational thinking" and computer science as a fundamental knowledge 
> domain.
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Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

[Edward Angel]

The term “computational thinking” incorporates all the points you brought up. 

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> On Jan 29, 2021, at 3:49 PM, Tom Johnson  wrote:
> 
> And I would gently suggest (not argue) that before ""algorithmic thinking" we 
> should teach systems thinking/analysis: what will be the system in question 
> and its defined boundaries, what the variables/agents within the system, the 
> input/output relationships between those variables under what 
> context/conditions, how do we measure change in the system and is the system 
> capable of "learning," i.e. adapting to internal and external changes in its 
> environment.  
> 
> With these steps we can start to discuss algorithms.  So there!  Harump!
> TJ
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> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 3:00 PM George Duncan  <mailto:gtdun...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I certainly agree with Ed. Coding does indeed suggest the final stage for a 
> particular language--should that colon instead be on a semi-colon. I would, 
> though, argue for  "algorithmic thinking" rather than "computational 
> thinking".
> 
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> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 2:53 PM Edward Angel  <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu>> wrote:
> Going back to Dave’s original post, to me a big part of the issue is what is 
> meant by “coding.” Unfortunately for manys in CS education, coding has come 
> to refer only to the very last step in a complex process; namely, converting 
> a final detailed set of instructions into computer code for a particular 
> computer language. This is especially true of what as happened in the schools 
> with programs that claim to teach coding and STEM. It’s why many of us prefer 
> to use the term “computational thinking” when dealing with CS education.
> 
> If coding is just the final step (which could be replaced by a machine, if 
> not now but soon) then it would be orthogonal to all these other skills.
> 
> Ed
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>> On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:41 AM, Prof David West > <mailto:profw...@fastmail.fm>> wrote:
>> 
>> For a while now there has been a huge push to teach kids how to code. 
>> Ostensibly because it enhances skills like language, logic, and math; plus, 
>> "computer literacy" is essential in a world filled with computers.
>&

Re: [FRIAM] Watching a Moose solve a Maze Re: solving mazes

[Edward Angel]

I used to give this problem to my graphics students. Here’s one 2D version 

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1fTNJb4hhgR-6LySQspgM9k-J27KwuLpl?usp=sharing
 


It will generate a new maze each time it’s rerun. Every cell is connected to 
every other cell. Next step is to knock out two edge segments for an entrance 
and exit. Extrude all the segments up to get a 3D maze.

Ed

> On Feb 28, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Stephen Guerin  
> wrote:
> 
> Late September 2009, a young M0ose (Cody Smith) walked into the Santa Fe 
> Complex.
> 
> He approached me and said he heard about the place and wanted to help 
> contribute. He showed me some of his computational sketches on his laptop. 
> 
> One that caught my eye was his Javascript breadth-first maze solver:
>   http://www.m0ose.com/oldpage/breadth_first_with_graph.html 
> 
> 
> and a genetic algorithm solver: 
> http://www.m0ose.com/oldpage/maze_evolution8.html 
> 
> 
> His repository has grown over the decade: http://m0ose.com 
> 
> Note his maze generator here: 
> http://www.m0ose.com/javascripts/maze/test1.html 
> 
> And his WebGL Doom maze walker from Ed Angel's WebGL class at SF_X: 
> http://www.m0ose.com/javascripts/maze/testGl.html 
> 
>  
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> On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 5:10 PM cody dooderson  > wrote:
> I am assuming this is a 2D maze. Wikipedia does a better job at explaining 
> the problems with wall following than I can. 
> 
> If the maze is not simply-connected (i.e. if the start or endpoints are in 
> the center of the structure surrounded by passage loops, or the pathways 
> cross over and under each other and such parts of the solution path are 
> surrounded by passage loops), this method will not reach the goal.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 1:48 PM  > wrote:
> Hi, All,
> 
>  
> 
> Due to a review I have been working on, I have been dragged back into 
> thinking about maze learning in rats.  Any animal I have ever known, when 
> confined, will explore the boundaries of its enclosure.  Cows, for instance 
> will beat a path just inside the barbed wire that encloses them.  So a maze 
> is not only a series of pathways but it is also an enclosure.  If the rat 
> puts his left whisker against the left wall of the maze, he will eventually 
> get to the goal box, right.  It works with the Hampton Court Maze.  On the 
> second run, he can now use odor cues, such that any time he encounters his 
> own odor both entering and leaving a passage way, he should just skip that 
> passage way. 
> 
>  
> 
> So I am wondering, you topologists (??) out there, how general is the 
> statement, “every maze is an enclosure”  and what is the limitation on the 
> idea that any maze can be solved by putting your right or left hand on a wall 
> and continuing to walk until you find the goal or are let out of the maze.  
> Now I should quickly say that rat mazes are usually composed of a series of 
> bifurcating choice points, where the rat can go either left or right. Some 
> choices lead ultimately to dead ends.  In sum, a runway in such a maze can go 
> straight, turn R or L without choice or form a T with a right or left choice. 
>  My intuition is that no such maze can be designed that does not permit the 
> boundary following strategy. 
> 
>  
> 
> Nick
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] solving mazes

[Edward Angel]

Constructing a maze by removing walls and finding a path through a maze are 
very similar and can be done by recursion or backtracking, both of which are 
equivalent to a mouse leaving his scent along a path and then backing up  to a 
place opening without a scent when it hits a dead end.

Ed

> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:07 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, except that mazes vastly reduce the number of possibilities and ought,
> therefore, to be way simpler than the ant problem
> 
> Also, I think that rats get a bit more information from their olfactory cues
> than steve's ants do.  On the other hand, there are many ants working at
> once, and we are concerned, in the maze situation, with a single rat in a
> clean maze, a laughably over simplified problem give a rats normal way of
> life.  It is what it is. 
> 
> Nick 
> 
> Nick Thompson
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam  On Behalf Of jon zingale
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> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] solving mazes
> 
> Ok, so getting rid of the walls altogether can we imagine these as SteveG's
> ants? Is there anything more to it?
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Dancing Robots

[Edward Angel]

While I was in grad school around 1966, we had a big ARPA (?) grant to build a 
robotic horse. It was designed to be able to move with any of the possible 
gaits. The project was not successful because the horse was very heavy and the 
available motors at the time could not move it fast enough to get dynamic 
stability. So in the end all it could do was walk slowly with only one leg off 
the ground at a time. Sometime it’s not the computer side that prevents 
advances in robotics.

Ed
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> On Apr 3, 2021, at 9:01 AM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
> For those who haven't seen the video that was mentioned in yesterday's 
> meeting:
> 
> https://youtu.be/fn3KWM1kuAw 
> 
> Marc has accomplished a lot since this:
> 
> Raibert, M. H., Wimberly, F. C. 1984. Tabular control of balance in a dynamic 
> legged system. IEEE Trans. Systems, Man, and Cybernetics 14:334--339.
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[FRIAM] Fwd: October 13 Talk with ACM A.M. Turing Award Winner Silvio Micali on Algorand and More Efficient Blockchains

[Edward Angel]

Those of you interested in security (e.g. bitcoin and data) might be interested 
in this webinar next week.

Ed
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> Begin forwarded message:
> 
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> Algorand and More Efficient Blockchains
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> October 13 Talk with ACM A.M. Turing Award Winner Silvio Micali on Algorand 
> and More Efficient Blockchains
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> A distributed ledger is a tamperproof sequence of data that can be read and 
> augmented by everyone. Distributed ledgers stand to revolutionize the way a 
> democratic society operates. They secure all kinds of traditional 
> transactions — such as payments, asset transfers, titling — in the exact 
> order in which they occur; and enable totally new transactions — such as 
> cryptocurrencies and smart contracts. They can remove intermediaries and 
> usher in a new paradigm for trust. As currently implemented, however, 
> distributed ledgers cannot achieve their enormous potential. 
> 
> Algorand is an alternative, democratic, and efficient distributed ledger. 
> Unlike prior ledgers based on "proof of work," it dispenses with "miners." 
> Indeed, Algorand requires only a negligible amount of computation. Moreover, 
> its transaction history does not "fork" with overwhelming probability: i.e., 
> Algorand guarantees the finality of all transactions. 
> 
> Duration: 60 minutes
> 
> Presenter:
> Silvio Micali, Faculty at MIT and ACM A.M. Turing Award Winner 
> Silvio Micali recieved his Laurea in Mathematics from the University of Rome, 
> and his Ph.D. in Computer Science from the University of California at 
> Berkeley. Since 1983, he has been on the faculty of the Electrical 
> Engineering and Computer Science Department at MIT. 
> 
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> 
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> National Academy of Engineering, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, 
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> York; Founder, Founding Chairman for Outreach, Foundin

Re: [FRIAM] What is Stopping Poor People From Moving? - The Atlantic

[Edward Angel]

There are a number of things that bother me about the article.

First, most (poor) people don’t need a bunch of academics to tell them that a 
higher wage is an illusion if the cost of living is astronomical.

Second, regardless of your philosophical position on affordable housing, as 
hinted at in the last paragraph of the article, if ain’t going to happen.

Third, in spite of the high cost of living people are still pouring into CA and 
NY. Why? That’s the issue of importance. My view is that it’s all about 
immigration and deferred gratification. The people coming into CA and NY are 
immigrants both from other countries and other parts of the US. They realize 
the issue of high cost of living and are willing to take on multiple jobs 
(think of Uber drivers in San Francisco), take on jobs others don’t want, 
commute long distances and live in less than ideal circumstances because of the 
opportunities not necessarily for themselves but for their children and their 
children’s children. Many of my grandparents’s generation, all of whom were 
immigrants, came to the US into far worse living conditions than they had in 
Europe. Those who weren’t willing to make those sacrifices for future 
generations stayed. That’s still true for many groups today, whether in West 
Virginia or Latin America or Eastern Europe.

The UK is great example of this. In the north there are multiple generations 
living in poverty in the same places their families have lived for generations 
while London is full of Eastern Europeans (from the EEU countries). Similar to 
the US? Housing is even more expensive there.

To take a slightly different view from Steve, a large part of the migration to 
CA, especially after WWII, was to the opportunities offered by free education. 
For example, my ex-wifes’s family came to CA from Iowa then with six kids, all 
of whom got college degrees from the California colleges. Wouldn’t have 
happened if they stayed in Iowa. 

Yes, things have changed a lot and the present generation often does not have 
the opportunities mine did. But the solution is not affordable housing. It has 
to be centered around free education and support for people whose jobs have 
disappeared.

Santa Fe is in a somewhat different situation is that unlike CA and NY there 
are very few jobs available regardless of your educational level. Affordable 
housing won’t fix that although it may help keep police, firemen and teachers 
here. But unless, SF and NM in general does something about education in the 
state, things are unlikely to get better.

Ed
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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Tom Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Pertinent to this morning's discussion.
> 
> The Barriers Stopping Poor People From Moving to Better Jobs
> https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/10/geographic-mobility-and-housing/542439/
>  
> 
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Ten years in, nobody has come up with a use for blockchain

[Edward Angel]

The new Netflix documentary Banking on Bitcoin is pretty interesting and 
unintentionally perhaps draws you to the worries in the post.

Ed
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> On Dec 28, 2017, at 11:42 AM, Gary Schiltz  wrote:
> 
> Very good article. Crypto currencies seem to have the most appeal with people 
> are essentially antisocial, or at least, anti-government. I loved the 
> statement early on in the article, "Bitcoin is what banking looked like in 
> the middle ages — 'here’s your libertarian paradise, have a nice day.'"
> 
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Owen Densmore  > wrote:
> Nice contrarian view on bitcoin and blockchains in general:
> ​  
> ​https://hackernoon.com/ten-years-in-nobody-has-come-up-with-a-use-case-for-blockchain-ee98c180100
>  
> 
> 
> ​I suspect blockchains will go the way torrent file systems went: they'll be 
> great for IT infrastructure, so folks like Amazon Web Services will use them:
> Torrents: redundant, secure storage
> Blockchains: redundant, secure transactions​
> ​   -- Owen​
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Why Paper Jams Persist | The New Yorker

[Edward Angel]

Both Owen and I were in Rochester in the mid 70’s. Owen was a Xerox and I was 
at the U of Rochester. We were working with the same people but somehow never 
met.

In the early 80’s I did some consulting with National Computing Systems. They 
made the machines that read and scored standardized tests, the ones in which 
you answered by darkening little circles with a pen or pencil. The machines 
were very much like copiers and had many of the same problems with papers. The 
way they worked was that as the paper was passed through the system it went 
through a pairs of leds and photo detectors that would sense if a circle was 
filled.  You remember that on these kinds of test all the circles had to be 
lined up vertically so as to match the positions of the sensors on the scoring 
machine.  

The nature of paper, as described in the New Yorker article posed some 
interesting problems. First, paper is noisy. When you shine light though , you 
can see this, so the scoring can get messed up with cheap paper. But the big 
problems were due the thermal properties of paper and lawyers.  Paper expands 
and contracts with temperature. Under high temperature, the paper can expand so 
much that the circles may not be line up with the sensors and the test will be 
scored incorrectly. At that time, California gave all its standard tests using 
these machines. The state was faced with a number of lawsuits from parents 
contending that their kids’ test were misscored, which occasionally was true 
due due to thermal expansion of the test paper. The state would up deciding to 
warehouse all tests so they would be available for inspection. It was costing 
them quite a bit so NCS was designing a better machine, which was what I was 
consulting about. The solution had much in common with copiers and used a 
one-dimensional scanner the width of page that could read across the paper as 
it flowed by. With that, the computer could detect filled/unfilled circles even 
if the page expanded or contracted.

Ed

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> On Feb 11, 2018, at 9:10 PM, Tom Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Why some of us like applied complexity.
> 
> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/02/12/why-paper-jams-persist 
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Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

[Edward Angel]

I found the email with David’s question for me re the Lena image.

I don’t think the Lena image had anything significant to do with the decline in 
the percentage of women going into CS. It was a very limited group of people 
that actually dealt with or even saw the image. And they were almost all male.

When I was chair of the CS dept at UNM (1985-88) about 40% of the majors were 
women. Two other factors were much more responsible for the decline that 
started around then First, pre the mid 80’s, women saw CS as closer to Math but 
a major that led to jobs. However, they found that CS was more like Engineering 
(or was becoming more like Engineering), a field which for various reasons was 
not appealing to women or welcoming of them. Second, more and more students 
were attracted to CS because they they were computer game players. They were 
almost 100% male, aggressive, individualistic and often obnoxious, all 
characteristics that were not those that women students possessed (to their 
credit). Consequently, beginning programming classes were terrible experiences 
for many women students and they left the program With the faculty almost all 
male and comprised of people who had been rewarded for precisely these 
characteristics, there wasn’t much effort to change to make the program more 
attractive to women. Eventually CS at UNM changed and now has a healthy 
percentage of women students and faculty.

Ed
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> On Feb 16, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Prof David West  wrote:
> 
> Some questions for Nick and one for Ed Angel
> 
> Peterson's "alpha male" silliness seemed to have prompted this thread but I 
> wonder if a different example might advance the discussion more productively, 
> especially since, I suspect, most everyone on the list would dismiss Peterson 
> as inane.
> 
> The example I have in mind is sexism in computing. Back in the sixties, two 
> psychologists (Cannon and Perry) created a "profile" or aptitude test to 
> determine who would be a good programmer. Their work became the de facto 
> standard used for hiring (and to a lesser extent for admission to grad school 
> in CS) up to and including today.
> 
> Two psychological / behavioral traits dominate their profile: 1) affinity for 
> and proficiency at 'logical / mathematical puzzle solving';and 2) antipathy 
> towards people. Both of these traits are, supposedly, more prevalent in males 
> than females, especially the second one. This instantly marginalized women as 
> potential programmers. (I would argue that this work also had significant 
> impact, indirectly and via cultural diffusion, on the reduction of women in 
> all of the STEM educational paths and professions.)
> 
> Within the last year, James Damone, former Google engineer, essentially made 
> the same argument and explicitly stated that the prevalence of the two 
> behavioral traits was "biological" in origin.
> 
> Some questions for Nick:
> 
>   -- is any assertion of a biological origin for a psychological / behavioral 
> trait a naive evolutionary psychology argument? I say naive because I doubt 
> that any of those individuals had any knowledge of the evolutionary 
> psychology discipline or research.
> 
>   -- If the assertion is made that 'anti-social nerdiness' is biological 
> (evolutionary psychological) in origin, what criteria could / would be used 
> to affirm or deny? Must you show that the trait yielded reproductive 
> advantage? Would you need to show the trait was present in antecedent 
> instances of the species — e.g. would you find individuals in hunter-gatherer 
> tribes that exhibited the trait? Could the trait be biological in origin but 
> not 'continuous' in some fashion — e.g. a case of punctuated equilibrium.
> 
> Nick has accused me of shameless reification when I use the term/concept of 
> "cultural evolution" but ... I was taught that the time frame required for 
> biological evolution is too long to be a reasonable basis for explaining or 
> accounting for observed psychological / behavioral changes in human beings. 
> E.g. psychological behaviors associated with things like social media and 
> cell phones are clearly observable but occur in time frames that are 
> generational at most, and most commonly intra-generational.
> 
>   -- Is it possible to argue for some kind of biological 'precursors' — 
> traits from which the observable changes are derived, and dependent? (Kind of 
> like the evolution of eyes being dependent on precursors like photo-sensitive 
> cells.)
> 
>   -- Is it possible to disprove an evolutionary psychological argument (ala 

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

[Edward Angel]

Both the Lena image and the Utah Teapot have their own wikipedia pages.

I was working with the image processing group at USC when they started using  
the Lena image as their standard test image. Before that they had been using 
what they all called the “girl image” which was probably from the 50’s and had 
a resolution of around 256 x 256 so it was pretty limited. There were no women 
working in what was a very large research group so I doubt there was any 
protest over the use of the Playboy centerfold. At that time it was not easy to 
find good images to test compression algorithms with. 

The Utah teapot was created by Martin Newell at Utah from his wife’s teapot. It 
was very nice because it could be described by 32 smooth bicubic spline patches 
and was used everywhere for a long time to test rendering algorithms. It’s not 
used much anymore as people use much larger data sets and there isn’t as much 
interest in splines since you now render tens of millions of animated triangles 
in real time.

The really great story about standard data sets (but not on wikipedia) is the 
3D data set of a lobster. It was created from a CT scan of dead lobster. I 
heard a talk by the guy who did it. He had to sneak into the medical scanner 
room in a hospital where he was working at night to do it. It took multiple 
days at the end of which the lobster really reeked and was losing body parts 
(which is noticeable in the reconstruction). My student, Pat Crossno, did the 
3D reconstruction with a particle system that sought out body parts and then 
distributed the particles across the surfaces.

Ed
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> On Feb 25, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Steven A Smith  wrote:
> 
> I appreciate and second Ed's observaions here.  While my own role as an 
> instructor during this period was very limited.   I was first a student 
> *among* CS majors (I was a Physics/Math major with a CS minor) in the 70's 
> when it was all pretty new by some measure and the participation by women was 
> higher than in the more physical engineering and science disciplines (ME/EE 
> and Physics/Chemistry) which I generally attribute to the socialization of 
> girls against manipulating the natural world as aggressively as boys (i.e. 
> playing with sticks and stones outside), but might *also* reflect the 
> possibility that males DO have a *different* sense of 3D spatial relations 
> and possibly even materials than females.
> 
> As for Lena... I think the fact that *she* was selected in the first place by 
> the male eye, and her recurrence in the "industry" was probably almost 
> exclusively a male propagation for what I would call "obvious" reasons (and 
> Glen might argue against that).   I think Lena's pervasive image might have 
> been a symbol of the "maleness" of CS in general and Image Processing in 
> particular and THAT might have inhibited some women at a very subtle level, 
> recognizing that the other (male) students might objectify them a bit.  Of 
> course one could make a MUCH stronger argument in this regard for any of the 
> Sports fields and perhaps some subset of "Sports Journalism"?
> 
> One might want to infer something about the ubiquity of the Teapot in the 
> field of Computer Graphics... Ed can probably reference how it got started 
> (who made the first Teapot as a 3D model?) and why it got re-used so 
> ubiquitously... sort of the "Hello World" of CG.   But probably nothing about 
> culinary arts or kitchens or even the British love of Tea is likely to be 
> significant.
> 
> - Stve
> 
> On 2/24/18 6:57 PM, Edward Angel wrote:
>> I found the email with David’s question for me re the Lena image.
>> 
>> I don’t think the Lena image had anything significant to do with the decline 
>> in the percentage of women going into CS. It was a very limited group of 
>> people that actually dealt with or even saw the image. And they were almost 
>> all male.
>> 
>> When I was chair of the CS dept at UNM (1985-88) about 40% of the majors 
>> were women. Two other factors were much more responsible for the decline 
>> that started around then First, pre the mid 80’s, women saw CS as closer to 
>> Math but a major that led to jobs. However, they found that CS was more like 
>> Engineering (or was becoming more like Engineering), a field which for 
>> various reasons was not appealing to women or we

Re: [FRIAM] Chess and Horses

[Edward Angel]

After FRIAM, I remembered the name of the USC Chess Player: Albert Zobrist. He 
invented Zobrist hashing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zobrist_hashing 
) which is fundamental to all 
chess playing programs. He created the first go program too 
(https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Albert+Zobrist 
).

I remember now that it was during one of the fast chess sessions outside our 
offices that I first learned about hashing.

I couldn’t find anything on his early days, probably late 50’s, as a chess 
prodigy.

Ed
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> On Jun 1, 2018, at 3:50 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
> Nothing has appeared here for awhile as far as I know.
> 
> This morning at "physical" Friam I mentioned that in 1967 a research 
> organization that I worked for hired a young guy as a "runner".  He carried 
> boxes of cards and printer output between our offices and the University of 
> Pittsburgh computer center.  In the meantime, he was a chess master and could 
> beat everyone in the office simultaneously while blindfolded.  His father was 
> Cantor, apropos of nothing.  Here is a link I found:
> 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1979/02/01/chess-player-wins-horse-on-first-trygame-player-lowers-odds/e8a02f9b-bf2f-4194-913e-b8e582908aff/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4e7c416473b8
>  
> 
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> Frank Wimberly
> 
> www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly 
> 
> 
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 
> 
> 
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[FRIAM] Fwd: input needed- expanding Computer Science education in Santa Fe schools

[Edward Angel]

Please consider filling out the survey, especially if you live in Santa Fe.

Ed
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> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Paige Prescott 
> Subject: input needed- expanding Computer Science education in Santa Fe 
> schools
> Date: July 31, 2018 at 9:50:36 PM MDT
> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
> 
> Santa Fe Public Schools is planning to take a bold stand to increase access 
> to Computer Science education.  Tom Ryan and Neal Weaver of SFPS presented 
> the following to a Tech Task Force meeting on 7/20/18- https://goo.gl/niWxSM 
> . 
> 
> The SFPS School Board will likely meet soon to consider passing a resolution 
> to support comprehensive Computer Science education, and your input and 
> support are needed!
> 
> Please take a minute this week to complete the survey link below to share 
> your thoughts and show your support for Computer Science Education in Santa 
> Fe. Your comments matter and will be critical to showing community support 
> for expanding Computer Science education in our region.
> 
> link: Computer Science in SF Survey - Please Complete 
> 
> Please pass along this information and survey to others in the area that are 
> involved in tech and computer science related fields.
> 
> many thanks,
> Paige
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Paige Prescott
> CSTA-NM  President
> UNM OILS  PhD student
> Code.org  Facilitator
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Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

[Edward Angel]

I would have grabbed the gas station job. I spent a summer working in a 
warehouse for $1 hour (no benefits too). My boss’ boss, recognizing what I good 
worker I was, tried to get me to not return to Caltech and keep working in the 
warehouse. After all, my direct boss was making $60/week after 20 or so years.

Ed
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> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:01 PM, Gary Schiltz  wrote:
> 
> And doggone it, I really *should* be back working in the gas station like I 
> did in High School, for $2 an hour.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 2:14 PM Nick Thompson  > wrote:
> Thanks, Barry, 
> 
> But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and 
> if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. 
>  I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley.  That's what 
> gasoline SHOULD cost.  
> 
> Nick 
> 
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  >
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers
> 
> This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to 
> inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.
> 
> --Barry
> 
> 
> On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:
> 
> > I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer.  It seems a mortal 
> > injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul.  But perhaps it's 
> > time to suck it up?
> >
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

[Edward Angel]

One consequence of the present situation that will have long term consequences 
is even though the amount of research funding in CS is high, universities are 
having trouble attracting high quality graduate students, the next generation 
of educators. Although this situation has little to do with trumpism, there 
have been serious consequences of foreign students and researchers being denied 
visas. As the universities in other countries such as China and Singapore 
continue to improve, the future does not look good for technology education 
here.

Ed


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> On Jan 11, 2019, at 7:26 AM, Jacqueline Kazil  wrote:
> 
> The numbers for tech jobs are all over the place. The one that I have heard 
> most is 1.5 million, but I have also seen everywhere from 500k to 3 million. 
> 
> Most of the theories of why this is not because of Trump, but because of 
> issues with education.
> 
> There are not enough people in education teaching people technology, because 
> people can easily go and get 1.5x to 3x their salary in the private sector. 
> For example -- Uber gutting Carnegie Melon's Researchers: 
> https://www.theverge.com/transportation/2015/5/19/8622831/uber-self-driving-cars-carnegie-mellon-poached
>  
> 
>  
> 
> I sit on the board of the Python Software Foundation. I am putting together 
> an RFP with others to fund educational initiatives in Python. It will be 
> coming out later this month or next month. 
> 
> -Jackie
> 
> P.S. Side note about education and python... In Guido's (creator of Python) 
> proposal to Darpa to fund the development of Python for educational purposes, 
> he references Logo as a great tool, but limited. That was 2001. The same year 
> that Netlogo was created (if I have my years right). 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:47 PM Alfredo Covaleda Vélez  > wrote:
> And will remain un-filled for years while "trumpism exists":
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgsVE2RBto8 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 4:55 PM Nick Thompson  > wrote:
> Sorry, everybody.  Ugh!
> 
>  
> 
> What I meant to write was, “At least, ask for a RAISE(!)”.  You have no idea 
> how envious I am of you all.  Can you IMAGINE the joy I would feel if I 
> learned that there were a million jobs unfilled for cranky former psychology 
> professors who can’t write a ten-word email message without screwing it up! 
> 
>  
> 
> That would be glorious.
> 
>  
> 
> Nick
> 
>  
> 
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> 
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> 
> Clark University
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 1:11 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  >
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A million tech jobs unfilled
> 
>  
> 
> Maybe there will even be a place for techie old farts to work from Ecuador.
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Nick Thompson  > wrote:
> 
> Dear Friammers,
> 
>  
> 
> There are apparently a MILLION tech jobs going un-filled in the US – hence 
> the panic in the tech industry concerning the immigration purge. Would this 
> be a time for members of this list to consider seeking a better job?  Or, at 
> least, to ask for a job?
> 
> Or demand that your boss let you work remotely and move here to Santa Fe 
> where the coffee is good, the air (usually) clean and where you are never 
> more than ten minutes from the head of a hiking trail?
> 
>  
> 
> Just sayin’
> 
>  
> 
> N
> 
>  
> 
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> 
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> 
> Clark University
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
> 
>  
> 
> 
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> 

[FRIAM] Micro:bit event March 8

[Edward Angel]

On March 8 4-6 PM, there will be a community micro:bit event at Meow Wolf, 
jointly sponsored by Meow Wolf, the Computer Science Alliance and the Santa Fe 
Alliance for Science. It will bring together students, teachers, parents, 
hackers and many others including I hopeFRIAM and Wedtech to demo, share  and, 
most importantly, generate interest in CS in the community.

A few weeks ago, Ken Prokuski and I brought our micor:bits to FRIAM where they 
were of interest to many of you. I learned about micro;bits from Paige 
Prescott, who many of you may know from her long involvement with Project GUTS 
and NM CS for All. She is now head of the New Mexico Computer Science Teachers 
Association and the new Computer Science Alliance. The event had its genesis in 
a conversation I had with Paige about using them to spark interest in CS within 
our community.

Micro:bits are little micro controllers that were developed in the UK by the 
BBC and made available to all school lids. You can get various kits from Amazon 
and other sites for as little as $20. They are amazing little devices. Each has 
a simple display, buttons for input, bluetooth for communicating with other 
micro”bits and even cell phones, an accelerometer, a temperature center and the 
ability to output sound and voltages to control other devices such as motors. 
Programming can be done via a web app using block JS, JS or Python. They are 
truly remarkable little devices. I was able to get my first program going 
within a few minutes.

We hope that many of you will get your own micro:bits and develop some fun apps 
to demo. Why not a complexity app or two? Or even a more philosophical app that 
Nick might develop.

More information to come as the event develops.

Ed


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Re: [FRIAM] Few of you ...

[Edward Angel]

Herman Wouk’s brother Victor is credited with being the inventor of the hybrid 
car. He interviewed me for Caltech when I was a senior in high school.

Ed


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> On Jan 15, 2019, at 12:18 PM, Nick Thompson  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for answering, Frank.
>  
> As the old song goes, “Then you’re much older than I-yai!”
>  
> Do you also remember when “They waltzed to a Souza Band”
>  
> My wasn’t that music grand!  
>  
> Oh, it was more than the pomp Wouk bristled at.  It was the removal of 
> discretion, as well.  The American military is perhaps better than most in 
> that regard, but any military has to operate on algorithms, and nobody likes 
> to be a node in an algorithm.  So, I guess my thesis was that in the second 
> world war we got a double and conflicting lesson:  how effective an 
> algorithmic system can be AND how demeaning it can be to be part of one.  Two 
> solutions present themselves: 1. Hire mercenaries and 2. Automate.  Of course 
> we have done both.  
>  
> An officer of your dad’s rank, of course, was an exception and even within 
> that giant system he made big decisions daily, decisions that affected the 
> lives of thousands of people.  There is a scene in that same book where an 
> officer is required to make one of those decisions between surely killing 50 
> strangers or threatening the life of 150 you know that utilitarians are fond 
> of posing.  It’s a harrowing scene.  
>  
> I wonder what the relation is between a distaste for government and service 
> as an enlisted soldier.  That’s not a rhetorical question.  I do wonder.  I 
> am thinking there is a high correlation between states with high military 
> participation  and states with anti-government politics.  When a conservative 
> thinks of “government” is he more likely to think of the military?  
>  
> Nick 
>  
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
> 
>  
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 10:01 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  >
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Few of you ...
>  
> I read the book but I don't remember that paragraph.  As you know, dad was a 
> Naval Officer who achieved respectable rank.  I was fascinated by it but he 
> felt that all the pomp and ceremony was BS.  If computers are today's 
> sailors, something is lost and something gained.
>  
> Frank
> 
> ---
> Frank Wimberly
> 
> My memoir:
> https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly 
> 
> 
> My scientific publications:
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 
> 
> 
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>  
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 9:53 PM Nick Thompson   wrote:
>> , I imagine, are old enough to remember this: 
>>  
>> “The Navy is a master plan designed by geniuses for execution by idiots. If 
>> you are not an idiot, but find yourself in the Navy, you can only operate 
>> well by pretending to be one. All the shortcuts and economies and 
>> common-sense changes that your native intelligence suggests to you are 
>> mistakes. Learn to quash them. Constantly ask yourself, "How would I do this 
>> if I were a fool?" Throttle down your mind to a crawl. Then you will never 
>> go wrong.” 
>> ― Herman Wouk, The Caine Mutiny 
>> 
>> It seems right that the computer was invented by a democratic society after 
>> the largest successful naval campaign in the history of the universe. The 
>> navy was a giant algorithm.   Computers are the conscripted sailors of our 
>> generation. 
>>  
>> Nick 
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>> Clark University
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Photos of popped balloon

[Edward Angel]

For two summers while I was an undergrad I worked on a crack propagation 
project that was using high speed photography to image crack propagation on 
thin seamless  18” copper cylinders. During the first summer, I made the 
cylinders by first making solid wax molds that I lathed to the right shape. I 
then electroplated copper on them before melting the wax away. The second 
summer I worked on the photography side which was right out of Muybridge.  The 
film was in a 6 foot in diameter ring. In the middle was a spinning prism at 
the end of a turbine which sent the light around the ring of film. The whole 
thing was triggered by the crack breaking a small wire. We all had to hide 
behind a barrier during each run as the whole assembly 
was pretty delicately balanced.

Ed


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> On Jan 30, 2019, at 5:15 AM, Tom Johnson  wrote:
> 
> See 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/23/science/a-side-serving-of-science-for-your-next-birthday-party.html?smid=fb-nytscience&smtyp=cur
>  
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Re: [FRIAM] Learning about Bayesian Statistics

[Edward Angel]

You might also like Nate Silver’s book “The Signal and the Noise”. It’s almost 
non technical and has interesting examples of the use and non use of Bayesian 
reasoning from the house market collapse to evaluating baseball players. 

Ed
 

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> On Feb 3, 2019, at 12:03 AM, George Duncan  wrote:
> 
> At Friday's church service Nick asked about how one might learn the basics of 
> Bayesian statistics. I said I would think about it, and so here are my 
> conclusions.
> 
> For historical and philosophical background: Read The Emergence of 
> Probability by Ian Hacking
> 
> For a systematic course: Take Coursera, Bayesian Statistics, a course from 
> Duke University with a 7-day free trial. 
> 
> Also of course there are several reasonable texts on Bayesian Statistics.
> 
> George Duncan
> Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University
> georgeduncanart.com 
> See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram
> Land: (505) 983-6895  
> Mobile: (505) 469-4671
>  
> My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tension between matrix order and 
> luminous chaos.
> 
> "Attempt what is not certain. Certainty may or may not come later. It may 
> then be a valuable delusion."
> From "Notes to myself on beginning a painting" by Richard Diebenkorn. 
> "It's that knife-edge of uncertainty where we come alive to our truest 
> power." Joanna Macy.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Photos of popped balloon

[Edward Angel]

Yes. Cylinders not Spheres. Once I had lathed the wax and electroplated the 
copper shell, I put the heat back up in my vat and the wax melted and the 
cylinder slid off, They then crushed my precious cylinders I had worked so hard 
to make.

Ed


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> On Feb 4, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Barry MacKichan  
> wrote:
> 
> I think they were cylinders, not spheres, so there were two holes. This is 
> where we start talking about homology groups.
> 
> --Barry
> 
> On 2 Feb 2019, at 12:56, Tom Johnson wrote:
> 
> How did the melting wax exit the sphere? Probably a hole. So how did you 
> patch the hole to retain perfect symmetry
> T? 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 10:03 PM Edward Angel  <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu> wrote:
> For two summers while I was an undergrad I worked on a crack propagation 
> project that was using high speed photography to image crack propagation on 
> thin seamless  18” copper cylinders. During the first summer, I made the 
> cylinders by first making solid wax molds that I lathed to the right shape. I 
> then electroplated copper on them before melting the wax away. The second 
> summer I worked on the photography side which was right out of Muybridge.  
> The film was in a 6 foot in diameter ring. In the middle was a spinning prism 
> at the end of a turbine which sent the light around the ring of film. The 
> whole thing was triggered by the crack breaking a small wire. We all had to 
> hide behind a barrier during each run as the whole assembly 
> was pretty delicately balanced.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> Ed Angel
> 
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
> 
> 1017 Sierra Pinon
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
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> <http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel>
>   
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2019, at 5:15 AM, Tom Johnson > <mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> See 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/23/science/a-side-serving-of-science-for-your-next-birthday-party.html?smid=fb-nytscience&smtyp=cur
>>  
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[FRIAM] Microcontroller event at Meow Wolf reminder

[Edward Angel]

The microcontroller event at Meow Wolf is less than two weeks away on March 8. 
The event started as a microbit event but we’ve expanded it to include all 
kinds of devices, Some of you indicated that you’d bring a project to demo. 

The event is open to the public but we expect to have a lot of young students 
and their parents show up. The goal is to inspire more interest in science and 
technology. Projects can be very simple. Micro:bit projects are especially 
simple to generate as you can program them with block JavaScript via the 
micro:bit website (microbit.org) and you can get a micro:bit kit online for as 
little as $15.

Details and signup at https://santafe.meowwolf.com/event/microcontroller/ . 
Please signup if you plan to attend with or without a project to demo.

Ed
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Re: [FRIAM] IEEE Milestone celebrating computer graphics history at U of Utah

[Edward Angel]

Sadly Frank most of them are younger than us except for Sutherland.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 28, 2023, at 7:47 AM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:Distinguished graybeards.  I got my PhD in 1978.  Am I as old as that guy??---Frank C. Wimberly140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505505 670-9918Santa Fe, NMOn Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 8:05 AM Barry MacKichan  wrote:Mount Olympus!Sent from my iPadOn Mar 28, 2023, at 1:24 AM, Guerin, Stephen  wrote:






Wow, what a gathering at Utah on Thurs and Friday.



Left to Right: Alvy Ray Smith, John Warnock, Henri Gouraud, Ed Catmull, Henry Fuchs, Martin Newell, Jim Blinn

https://www.price.utah.edu/ieee-milestone-events#ieee-milestone

Youtube recordings
Thursday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUFp6sjKbkE
Friday AM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzEaM6QAy-4
Friday PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui3R1Dlmsk0


List of Speakers



James Blinn, Ph.D., 1978 — Created specular lighting models, bump mapping and environment mapping for surface textures in graphical images.

Ed Catmull, Ph.D., 1974 — Pioneer in computer animation who co-developed RenderMan rendering software. Co-founder of Pixar Animation Studios and winner of five Academy Awards.

Jim Clark, Ph.D., 1974 — Rebuilt the head-mounted display and 3-D wand to see and interact with 3-D graphic spaces. Founder of Netscape and Silicon Graphics.

Henry Fuchs, Ph.D., 1975 — Innovator in high-performance graphics hardware, 3-D medical imaging and head-mounted display and virtual environments.

Henri Gouraud, Ph.D., 1971 — Created the Gouraud shading method for polygon smoothing—a simple rendering method that dramatically improved the appearance of 3-D objects.

Alan Kay, Ph.D., 1969 — Envisioned the windowing graphical user interface at Xerox PARC, which led to the design of Apple MacIntosh and Windows computers.

Martin Newell, Ph.D., 1975 — Developed procedural modeling for 3-D object rendering. Co-developed the Painter’s algorithm for surface rendering.

Rodney Rougelot — Former president and chief executive officer of Salt Lake City-based Evans & Sutherland, which then developed military and aviation simulators with 3-D graphics.

Robert A. Schumaker — An engineer with Evans & Sutherland who conceived a new architecture for rendering complex, high-quality 3-D images for its flight simulators.

Alvy Ray Smith — Co-founder of Pixar Animation Studios. First Director of Computer Graphics for George Lucas’ Lucasfilm.

Ivan Sutherland, U Computer Science Professor, 1968-1974 — Inventor of Sketchpad, the first interactive graphics program with geometric constraints. Co-founded Evans & Sutherland with David Evans.

John Warnock, Ph.D., 1969 — Developed the Warnock recursive subdivision algorithm for hidden surface elimination. Co-founder of Adobe, which developed the Postscript language for desktop publishing and is now one of the largest software brands in the world.









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Re: [FRIAM] I am not Unique

[Edward Angel]

Personally, I found that article was terrible. Maybe the New Yorker is the 
appropriate place as it reminds of many New Yorkers’ attitude about the rest of 
the world.

I’ve spent over 50 years  in travel (not tourism) in around 80 countries, lived 
in four, visited over 20 professionally, trekked in four. I wouldn’t be the 
person I am without all the years of travel (even though the author claims I 
can’t make such a statement saying  "note that this phenomenon can’t be 
assessed first-personally"). Travel has been at least as important to me as all 
the years I’ve spent in academia.

The most fundamental problem with the article is that she does not distinguish 
between tourists, for which many of her rants may be true vs travelers who are 
very different from tourists. I can think of very few of my experiences that 
fit into the former category. It’s also hard to take anyone seriously who on 
one hand makes fun of the mass ot tourists who visit the Louvre so they could 
say they’ve seen the Mona Lisa for 1 minute who then goes to Paris and makes an 
effort not to see the Louvre.

I’ll admit I have no interest in understanding or writing about her work as a 
philosopher. I’d hope she’s have the humility not to pretend she is an expert 
on travel.

Ed

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Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
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> On Jun 24, 2023, at 6:10 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Russ.  I posted that because I've been bugging certain Friam 
> attendees about why they travel so much.  I say there's no place that I'd 
> rather be than Santa Fe so I tend to stay here.
> 
> It's not that I haven't traveled.  I remember being moved when I stood at the 
> place where Thomas Becket was murdered in Canterbury Cathedral; there was 
> nobody else there at that moment.  I was amused that the waiters in hotels in 
> London would reply, "Thank you very much, sir" when I thanked them.  I was 
> being a tourist then.
> 
> In the mid-nineties my wife and I traveled to Mexico several times.  I like 
> Mexicans and they like speaking Spanish to Gringos.  Some of those trips were 
> for the purpose of cultivating relationships to help with our wish to adopt a 
> Mexican child.  I believe that in Mexico more than in some other places whom 
> you know affects what you can do.  There were 90 adoptions by US couples in 
> Mexico that year (1997) while there were several thousand in each of Russia 
> and China.  I didn't feel like a tourist during those trips.
> 
> Our daughter Flor, her husband and kids are all in our house right now.  They 
> live in Santa Fe near the Airport.
> 
> Frank
> ---
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> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 
> 505 670-9918
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> 
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 4:49 PM Russ Abbott  > wrote:
>> Frank, Thanks for the link.
>> 
>> Agnes Callard, the author of the article, sneers at tourists who visit Paris 
>> in order to visit the Louvre in order to see the Mona Lisa (and then spend 
>> 45 seconds looking at it)--because that's what one does in Paris. But 
>> presumably, Callard would find it perfectly acceptable to visit Paris in 
>> order to visit the Louvre in order to see the Mona Lisa, and then spend 
>> hours examining Da Vinci's brush strokes. 
>> 
>> What's the difference between these two kinds of activities? Callard quotes 
>> Emerson, who is not critical of "a person who travels when his 'necessities' 
>> or 'duties' demand it. Nor does Emerson object to traversing great distances 
>> 'for the purpose of art, of study, and benevolence,'” as in the case of the 
>> student of DaVinci's painting technique. Here's a clue. Callard defines 
>> "tourism" as the kind of travel that aims at the interesting—and, if Emerson 
>> and company are right, misses."
>> 
>> In other words, one will not find "the interesting" by going in search of 
>> it. The same goes for happiness. One will not find happiness by going in 
>> search of it. These are both consequences of other activities and make no 
>> sense as stand-alone goals. 
>> 
>> -- Russ Abbott   
>> Professor Emeritus, Computer Science
>> California State University, Los Angeles
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 2:13 PM Frank Wimberly > > wrote:
>>> https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-weekend-essay/the-case-against-travel
>>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Man Probes Consciousness: Consciousness Probes Back (was Re: Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV)

[Edward Angel]

The original plan for the IAIA dome was to record stories.

Ed
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Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
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> On Jul 20, 2024, at 10:56 AM, Stephen Guerin  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I would pay to watch this film! Student production on the dome (digital Kiva) 
> at IAIA, Ben Shedd? Just a rough cut as students then present their own 
> experiences.
> __
> 
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 9:57 AM Prof David West  > wrote:
>> dragon stories:
>> 
>> my very first experience with peyote, I was 12-13 and living on the Hopi 
>> reservation with my aunt and uncle. A group of boys were given the peyote as 
>> a reward for gathering cottonwood buds for use in a Hopi ceremonial dance. 
>> Of the five of us only one other wanted to try the drug, so I consumed 
>> roughly for doses. A massive thunderstorm was in progress. At some point, a 
>> dragon coalesced from the lightning, thunder, filtered sunlight and began 
>> speaking to me.
>> 
>> [important interjection: my brain was "making sense' of an overwhelming 
>> number of sensations, some detected by nerve endings, others generated by 
>> frantic neuron firings. Assumed/assuming this is the same kind of thing that 
>> happens when the brain 'makes sense' of the bombardment of sensations/neural 
>> firings that create the "illusion" of an external world.]
>> 
>> we engaged in an apparently long lasting conversation about my recent 
>> experiences in Hopi-land, the various Hopi stories I had been told that 
>> summer and how to interpret them. At some point the dragon used the phrase, 
>> "alarums and excursions;" an idiom I had first encountered some 8 years 
>> prior (pre-grade school) in a book called David and the Phoenix.
>> 
>> [interjection: till this point my interactions with the dragon were, as far 
>> as I could tell, pretty much identical to the interactions I might have had 
>> with another human being in the 'waking world'. This includes the implicit 
>> assumption that I was interacting with a sentient, conscious, and 
>> self-conscious being.]
>> 
>> Second story:
>> 
>> I was exploring the use of pain as a means of inducing an altered state of 
>> consciousness. Four hours of enduring intense and varied pain administered 
>> by a sadistic dominatrix in Salt Lake City, made me very self-aware with a 
>> raspy voice. I began the 9 hour drive to Santa Fe to attend FRIAM. Along the 
>> way my body went into shock and I dealt with that using meditative 
>> techniques. I also was playing a CD of meditative Buddhist chants that I 
>> began to hum out loud with my raspy voice. The result was the altered state 
>> I had been seeking.
>> 
>> Somewhere in Arches National Park, I stopped, stripped naked and walked down 
>> a dry wash where I 'encountered' a campfire and sat down. Brigham Young was 
>> sitting at the periphery of the campfire and we began a long conversation 
>> about Mormon theology and metaphysics, why blacks lost the right to the 
>> priesthood (there were blacks in the priesthood in Nauvoo while Joseph Smith 
>> was alive and that is one of the reasons the Mormons were persecuted by 
>> Missourians), why religions like Christianity, Islam and Mormonism changed 
>> from Feminism to misogyny, education, eternal progression, and a host of 
>> other topics.  The conversation ended when I realized I would be late for 
>> FRIAM unless I stopped and resumed my journey.
>> 
>> [interjection: both the dragon and Brigham Young were 'illusions' 
>> constructed "by the brain" just as the 'illusion' of ordinary reality. While 
>> interacting with them, they were, to me, sentient, aware, and conscious 
>> entities. I attributed sentience, intelligence, consciousness to them 
>> precisely because of the perceived interactions- the verbal (in my case) and 
>> the 'auditorialized' (neuron firings interpreted as sound) voices (of dragon 
>> and Brigham).]
>> 
>> After the fact self analysis of the incidents conclude that in both cases, 
>> the "conversation" was between 'my self' and 'my memories': of the David in 
>> the book and his conversations with the Phoenix in the book; all of the 
>> writings of Brigham Young I had read years before.
>> 
>> These stories do not, technically bear on where or not dragons are 
>> conscious, but they most definitely bear on whether or not domestic animals 
>> and Nick are conscious—by virtue of the fact that the 'data' and the 
>> 'interpretation of the data' are, evidently, the same.
>> 
>> You might make an argument for 'faulty machinery' in my two stories, but 
>> what is gained vis-a-vis our common understanding.
>> 
>> davew
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Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency

[Edward Angel]

The following is hard to believe but true.

Last weekend, I was in line at Walgreens. The older woman in front of me gave 
the cashier a $20 bill for a $13.54 purchase. The young cashier was completely 
unable to figure out the correct change. After a couple of failed tries, the 
older woman tried to teach the cashier how to subtract $13.54 from $20 but that 
was a failure. She then tried to get the casher to add to $13.54 until the 
cashier reach $20. When that failed, she helped the cashier add small change 
and dollars until she got to $6.46.

I don’t think giving everyone a calculator is the solution.

Ed
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Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
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> On Aug 7, 2024, at 9:28 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure my 30+ year old daughter knows the times tables.  She works for 
> the Secretary of Public Education. If you ask her about it she will say she 
> uses calculators and spreadsheets.  I think.
> 
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> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 
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> Santa Fe, NM
> 
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2024, 9:12 PM Russell Standish  > wrote:
>> It is a test that you know your 7 or 8 times table. And the definition
>> of a prime number (which could be given as part of the question, if
>> not the curriculum).
>> 
>> I would expect most 9 or 10 years olds should know their times tables.
>> 
>> Or am I wrong abut kids these days?
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 12:43:54PM -0600, Tom Johnson wrote:
>> > Ms. O'Hara:
>> > 
>> > RE your story Sunday, "Does proficiency give full picture?"
>> > From your lede:
>> > "Pop quiz: What number is both a prime number and a factor or 56"?
>> > 
>> > If I understand correctly, this is a question on an exam given to fourth
>> > graders, 9- or 10-year-olds.
>> > Could you please point me to some source in the city or state education
>> > departments who can tell me what short- or long-term value this question 
>> > about
>> > mathematics -- NOT arithmetic -- has for students that age?
>> > 
>> > We live in a state where it is a rare cashier who can do the mental
>> > arithmetic to make change from a $20 bill. Can we first find out if fourth
>> > graders can do that before getting into primes and factorials?
>> > *--
>> > 
>> > Tom Johnson - t...@jtjohnson.com 
>> > Institute for Analytic Journalism   -- Santa Fe, NM USA
>> > 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h)
>> > Visit Global Santa Fe
>> > 
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Re: [FRIAM] Starlink

[Edward Angel]

I’ve never had the problems Gil has experienced with Comcast. I suspect that 
because Gil lives in an older neighborhood with old and failing infrastructure. 
We built our house 25 years ago in a new subdivision that required underground 
utilities. That meant we have cable to the house and we’re on a local loop 
without much traffic. Presently I have 1/2 Gb (download) service which is very 
reliable. It costs about $80/month. More about cost below.

Nevertheless, we hate Comcast and wish there were good alternatives in Santa 
Fe. In particular:

Cost: the $80/month internet is part of triple play (phone, internet, tv) so is 
slightly discounted and doesn’t include all the added on fees and charges for 
equipment. A typical triple play bill can be around $300.month. I recently 
spent a lot of time trying to reduce the bill. It’s hard. You can get your own 
modem and save $15/month but although almost all the modems on Amazon or Best 
Buy claim they are compatible with Comcast, the Comcast website only gives one 
alternative modem. Hence, if you have a problem connecting which happens to 
many people they will not help. If you have television that has a cable input 
but doesn’t support streaming, you have to use their boxes, $10/mo each.

Support: Horrible. Their website is terrible. Almost impossible to get the 
information you need. I spent half an hour trying to find how much their 
internet service costs and failed. Finally I was able to find a printout of my 
bill. It took two trips to their store and a long phone call to get a minor 
change to my plan done correctly. Their human service calls are a crap shoot. 
One installer managed to break a bunch of the wires in my panel and didn’t 
manage to connect the phone. Another was great and I tried to get him to apply 
for a degree program at UNM to escape Comcast. A third who did the initial 
install refused to believe that the Costco modem box I had used in ABQ with 
Comcast could possibly work (I was only used Comcast internet then). Finally, 
when I insisted he call his supervisor, he was told to just plug in the box. He 
left saying that was the easiest install he had ever done.

Comcast streaming: Sounds like a good alternative to many issues. Too bad it 
doesn’t work well. Crashes often. They made some changes and I found that it is 
the ONLY app I have that will not work with my vpn. After more time wasted 
trying to get support, I found from forums on their website that if you can 
manage to get a human on support you will be told it’s not their problem, it’s 
your computer, your vpn, …. Finally, one human at their store admitted it was 
hopeless and I just had to live with it.

I haven’t found a good alternative in SF,

Ed

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Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
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> On Sep 12, 2024, at 11:01 AM, Gillian Densmore  wrote:
> 
> Fiber is still 20 minutes into the future. Alas likely never without a 
> overhaul of the "leadership"
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 8:56 AM Barry MacKichan 
> mailto:barry.mackic...@mackichan.com>> wrote:
>> What is the situation in Santa Fe now? When I left in 2018, fiber still 
>> seemed in the distant future. Our new house in North Carolina, when built, 
>> had two fiber boxes by the street, one for CenturyLink and one for Spectrum. 
>> Since then, another one was added (unfortunately they accidentally cut the 
>> fiber line into the house, sending us back a century for about a week). We 
>> pay a bit over a hundred a month for a full gigabit. It is cheaper (per bit) 
>> at half a gigabit, but we were running a business and went for the full 
>> gigabit.
>> 
>> Since the infrastructure act was passed, our county has been flooded with 
>> trucks towing huge spools of orange fiber cable. They are running alongside 
>> rural roads and along the village roads back from the main roads. It looks 
>> like fiber will be within a hundred yards of almost every driveway.
>> 
>> We have the option of upgrading to 2 gigabit service, and lord knows what we 
>> could do bonding together three different providers 😉.
>> 
>> 
>> — Barry
>> 
>> On 12 Sep 2024, at 10:30, Gary Schiltz wrote:
>> 
>> It depends on what's on the other end of your fiber connection :-)  Here in 
>> land that tech forgot, getting more than a few tens of megabits feels 
>> luxurious. One carrier has fiber optic passing over my property, and they 
>> offered to tap into it and give me 20 megabits for the low low price of $100 
>> a month. Starlink's 300 megabits for $45 a month is heaven on earth. Isn't 
>> Santa Fe still sort of part of the third world?
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 9:06 AM Marcus Daniels > 

Re: [FRIAM] ADVISORY: City Will "Flip the Switch" on Gigabit Internet Speeds at 12/14 Special Event

[Edward Angel]

I don’t know if the Qwest lawsuit over the Communications Franchise Ordinance 
was ever settled. I would think that unless the ordinance was fixed, it will be 
hard for companies to provide services via this new link.

Ed
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Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Tom Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Nick-- I don't think there are answers to your space question yet.  First, 
> the City Council has to get on board.
> 
> As to access, call Cybermesa.  It has some contract related to laying the 
> lines.  But there seem to be wifi-to-house alternatives, but I don't know the 
> details.
> T
> 
> On Dec 14, 2015 12:57 PM, "Nick Thompson"  > wrote:
> Thanks, Tom, for this report. 
> 
>  
> 
> So how does this work from here?  Could I start a company called Egg-Head 
> Services (my logo would by Humpty-Dumpty sitting on a wall) and start 
> connecting people to the hub?  Would I need my own wire?  Or could I 
> commandeer wires already there? 
> 
>  
> 
> As for the space over REI, does the City now hire people to oversee it?  Do 
> we have any thoughts who that might be?  Wink, wink; nudge, nudge.  Does 
> anybody have any policy guidelines for the operation of such a space?  W,w; 
> n, n. 
> 
>  
> 
> Isn’t this something we have been dreaming about? 
> 
>  
> 
> Nick  
> 
>  
> 
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> 
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> 
> Clark University
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 12:31 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  >
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] ADVISORY: City Will "Flip the Switch" on Gigabit 
> Internet Speeds at 12/14 Special Event
> 
>  
> 
> Yeah, I was there.  Looks like it might be a good start, but it probably will 
> be a long time until fiber-to-the-home is available for most of Santa Fe.  
> What else is new.  
> 
>  
> 
> But the mayor did say that he is going to ask the city council to open up 
> 8,000 sf of space in the 500 Market St.  (above REI) to start-ups.  Free?  I 
> don't know.  As he said, that space, which now has gigabyte cnx, has been 
> vacant since the building was constructed.  Of course this is what SF Complex 
> tried to do 8 yrs ago.  I've seen the mayor recently at a couple events like 
> this.  I think that unlike his predecessor, he gets the idea of the Digital 
> Revolution and is genuinely engaged is trying to move ahead.  A welcome 
> change.
> 
>  
> 
> This new gigabyte system is, we are told, an open system, so any provider can 
> connect and resell the service.
> 
>  
> 
> -Tom
> 
> 
> 
> Sent with MailTrack 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Johnson
> Institute for Analytic Journalism   -- Santa Fe, NM USA
> 505.577.6482 (c)
> 505.473.9646 (h)
> Society of Professional Journalists    -   Region 9 
>  Director
> Check out It's The People's Data 
> 
> http://www.jtjohnson.com    
> t...@jtjohnson.com 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Arlo Barnes  > wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Barry MacKichan 
> mailto:barry.mackic...@mackichan.com>> wrote:
> 
> On 7 Dec 2015, at 11:20, Nick Thompson wrote:
> 
> On Monday, December 14th from 9 until 11 AM Mayor Gonzales will be joined by 
> special industry guests to flip the switch [...]
> 
> Does anybody know how to find their rollout schedule, and a map of the “first 
> gigabit district”?
> 
> Seconded, and did anyone go? I overslept.
> 
> -Arlo James Barnes
> 
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] ADVISORY: City Will "Flip the Switch" on Gigabit Internet Speeds at 12/14 Special Event

[Edward Angel]

When I met the (present) mayor, he asked me if I thought the project was just 
throwing $1M into a hole in the ground. It seems the answer is clear.

Ed
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Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

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> On Dec 15, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Nick Thompson  
> wrote:
> 
> Dear Friammers, 
>  
> Here is some clarification from Sean Moody, who was one of the people who 
> organized the City Gigabit Thing.  (Note my deft use of technical jargon, 
> here!).   See below for details. 
>  
> Please get in touch with Sean if you see any possibilities for yourself in 
> this new arrangement.   He is an old, old friend of mine and would, I am 
> sure, do his best to help.  
>  
> I wonder how this relates to State Offices?  Given that they are scattered 
> all over Town, wiring the state might go a long way toward wiring the rest of 
> us?   
>  
> Nick 
>  
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
> 
>  
> From: MOODY, SEAN [mailto:sxmo...@ci.santa-fe.nm.us 
> ] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 9:54 AM
> To: nickthomp...@earthlink.net 
> Cc: NOBLE, KATE I.  >
> Subject: FW: ADVISORY: City Will "Flip the Switch" on Gigabit Internet Speeds 
> at 12/14 Special Event
>  
> Nick, sorry you couldn't make it. We set up a demonstration of gigabit wi-fi 
> for the event, and are leaving it up for the time being in the second floor 
> lobby of Market Station. Please let your colleagues know. They can reach me 
> by this email address or at my office number below.
> 
> Details on the collaboration space the Mayor announced have yet to be worked 
> out. In the meantime we would welcome any bona fide proposal.
> 
> Regarding future expansion of the network, we do have specific, limited plans 
> to extend open-access middle-mile fiber to libraries and existing network 
> hubs, and can install line extensions to anyone willing to pay the capital 
> cost. But a Chattanooga-style, universal fiber-to-the-premise scheme is not 
> under consideration.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Sean
> 
> Sean Moody
> Special Projects Administrator
> Economic Development Division
> City of Santa Fe
> 505.955.6350
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Grumble- NM's crappy internet

[Edward Angel]

I now see the brilliance of the City putting $1M to get a connection in the 
Railyard. As we’re all lined up with our computers waiting a turn to back them 
up, we’ll want to have coffee, dinner, maybe even shop. We’ll be resurrecting 
the Railyard. It would be sort of like old paintings of people in a village 
gathered around the well.

Seriously Gil, there are and have been many people trying to improve the sad 
state of the internet in NM. I suggest you follow what’s going on at Richard 
Lowenberg’s first mile site:

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> On Feb 20, 2016, at 6:45 PM, Nick Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Gill,
>  
> I believe it’s the case that you can go down to the Railyard and have all the 
> speed you want.  If you are doing a large scale backup recovery from the web, 
> it might be worth the trip.  
>  
> Nick 
>  
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
> 
>  
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 11:12 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  >
> Subject: [FRIAM] Grumble- NM's crappy internet
>  
> Trying to back up computer.
> Wich is frankly painful to do over DSL.  And that is exactly where this is 
> coming from-
>  
> Where is my CHEAP  and FAST internet?
> Why do I have to pick between DSL (can afford)
> or Cox the self named ISP (can't afford)?
> Where is the fiber to the home?
>  
> I am having a hard time believing that here it's well into 2016, and the 
> choices for internet in NM are frankly paltery and arguable pitiful.
>  
> Am I the only one looking around NM and feel it's broken, and tired of people 
> pointing fingers rather than solving issues, and making it a more fun place 
> to be in.
> It has numerous wonderfoul charms, it's a large village feel.
>  
> One of those charms, however, is NOT the frankly snail speed cheep internet 
> that's being offered all over the place. 
>  
> I do not want the mantle of rabble rouser. 
>  
> I do however feel SOMEONE needs to take on the task of re-asking: where is 
> the research labs? Where are the enormous school campus? The places that 
> helps people lead a fun, rich and fulling life?
> Where is the science village? 
>  
> Grumble grumble rant rant rant grumble grumble
>  
> Other wise I heope everyones day rocks!
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Ting Internet | Crazy fast fiber Internet for US cities

[Edward Angel]

I have a difficult time believing that Ting will decide to come here. Some of 
the reasons:

The pricing is very interesting. Right now I pay about  $60/month for 80 mbps 
downloads and 5-6 mbps uploads. The service has been very reliable. So it 
sounds good to have the possibility of getting gigabit speeds for only another 
$30/month. The other side of this is that the $60/month is about twice what I 
would pay for the speed I get elsewhere so it’s not clear that the biggest 
contribution Ting might make is to lower the monopolistic rates Comcast and 
Qwest get away with. More important is that I question how many households in 
Santa Fe really need gigabit speeds. FRIAMers are not representative of the SF 
population and even among us, how many of us need that speed..

The second issue is where the service would be available. At their range of 
costs per drop, they would be restricted to a small radius in the center of the 
city. I live a couple of miles up Hyde Park Road near the Santa Fe Institute. 
We have all underground utilities so I can’t see any way Ting will ever get up 
here. The $9 vote even if all 100 or so of my neighbors did it seems totally 
irrelevant. 

But my largest problem by far is issue of cherry picking and providing service 
in only select areas which for residential customers means where the rich 
people live. That leaves out most of the residents who are poor and live on the 
south side of the city. As I understand it, Ting would not be required to 
provide service to the schools, most of which are on the south side. I suppose 
one could take the position that as a private company Ting should be able to 
decide who it wants to attract as customers. On the other hands, then what is a 
“public” utility? This was a major issue when I was involved with the city 
trying to stop and then fix their 2010 telcom franchise ordinance. One 
interesting side note to that sad effort is that Qwest tried to block the 
franchise ordinance which would have allowed cherry picking arguing that they 
(Qwest) had to provide service for everyone and it would be unfair competition 
to allow other telcoms to pick their customers. This issue was part of the 
reasons Qwest sued the city over the ordinance. 

Santa Fe has an over 20 year history of making disastrous decisions on telcom 
that prevented putting in the infrastructure that would have created an 
environment where companies like Ting could come here and provide premium 
service while all residents would be guaranteed a decent affordable level of 
service. At this point I tend to agree with what I see as Sean’s view that 
progress will be incremental. Sad situation for most of the residents of Santa 
Fe, especially the school kids.

I encourage any of you that are interested in this issue to get on the 1st mile 
list serve (http://www.1st-mile.org/ ). There’s lots 
of information there about what is going on here and in other communities by 
people who have many years of experience working on these issues.

Ed
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Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
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> On Mar 5, 2016, at 11:26 AM, Nick Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Dear Friammers, particularly those in Santa Fe, 
>  
> I have been rummaging around on the Ting Website trying to figure out how 
> this thing could possibly work.  Fibre?  Really?  
>  
> https://ting.com/blog/internet/charlottesville/ 
> 
>  
> Look at the second item in the blog.  Apparently they have an interesting 
> “foot-in-the-door” strategy, which they are using in Charlottesvill, VA.  
> They ask you to kick in $9 dollars to “vote” for your neighborhood.  
>  
> Also, at the city level, one can express interest.  See 
> https://ting.com/internet/townvote 
>  
> Nick 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Ting Internet | Crazy fast fiber Internet for US cities

[Edward Angel]

I agree with Marcus’ comments. 

In addition, lack of a competitive broadband infrastructure contributes to the 
reasons it is so difficult to get companies to come to NM although the terrible 
schools probably override all the other reasons. Of course better broadband 
could only help with the schools.

At present netflix and other streaming activities like games eat up network 
bandwidth but as almost all applications become cloud based, the demand for 
bandwidth for other purposes (backup, computing, word processing) will 
certainly go up but it seems to a ways off before most people will need gigabit 
connectivity. I’d worry more about the underlying infrastructure more than 
whether my connection is via cable or fiber.

Ed
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Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

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> On Mar 6, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Nick Thompson  <mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Ed, 
>   
>   
> 
> Very interesting!
>  
> I keep mulling this idea that broad band build-out CAUSES economic 
> development.  Putting aside the correlation/causality problem for a bit and 
> assuming per argumentumthat it does work, HOW does it work?  In practice, who 
> uses gigabyte speed, and for what?  Let’s say I am a small business in Santa 
> Fe making Widgets or selling Widget Repair Services.  Suddenly 1-gig broad 
> band comes to my neighborhood, what am I suddenly enabled to do that I 
> couldn’t do before?  I assume that if there is a group of people in the World 
> capable of giving that issue a good airing, it would be this list.  I would 
> particularly like to hear from members in far-flung places that have this 
> sort of service.  Is it available in Europe?  
>  
> Allow me to put the Luddite position.  Here’s a quote adapted from Julian 
> Barnes’s Flaubert’s Parrot.
> “[Flaubert] didn’t just hate BROADBAND as such; he hated the way it flattered 
> people with the illusion of progress. What was the point of scientific 
> advance without moral advance? BROADBAND would merely permit more people to 
> LOG ON, meet and be stupid together.” 
> My Inner Luddite assumes  that the chief drivers of broadband-envy are gaming 
> and movie downloads.  He finds neither of these activities morally urgent.  
>  
> How is he  wrong about this?   Can somebody make the case?
>  
> Nick 
>  
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
> <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
>  
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
> <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] On Behalf Of Edward Angel
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 7:48 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  <mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Ting Internet | Crazy fast fiber Internet for US cities
>  
> I have a difficult time believing that Ting will decide to come here. Some of 
> the reasons:
>  
> The pricing is very interesting. Right now I pay about  $60/month for 80 mbps 
> downloads and 5-6 mbps uploads. The service has been very reliable. So it 
> sounds good to have the possibility of getting gigabit speeds for only 
> another $30/month. The other side of this is that the $60/month is about 
> twice what I would pay for the speed I get elsewhere so it’s not clear that 
> the biggest contribution Ting might make is to lower the monopolistic rates 
> Comcast and Qwest get away with. More important is that I question how many 
> households in Santa Fe really need gigabit speeds. FRIAMers are not 
> representative of the SF population and even among us, how many of us need 
> that speed..
>  
> The second issue is where the service would be available. At their range of 
> costs per drop, they would be restricted to a small radius in the center of 
> the city. I live a couple of miles up Hyde Park Road near the Santa Fe 
> Institute. We have all underground utilities so I can’t see any 

[FRIAM] Fwd: [1st-mile-nm] Akamai Report

[Edward Angel]

At least we’re tied for 49th; usually we stand alone in 49th place.

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Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 

505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel 


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Richard Lowenberg 
> Subject: [1st-mile-nm] Akamai Report
> Date: March 25, 2016 at 1:01:19 PM MDT
> To: 1st-mile Nm <1st-mile...@mailman.dcn.org>
> Reply-To: r...@1st-mile.org
> 
> The latest quarterly Report on the Global State of the Internet was recently 
> published.
> 
> https://www.stateoftheinternet.com/downloads/pdfs/2015-q4-state-of-the-internet-report.pdf
> 
> This sentence is from that report:
> 
> Despite seeing 22% quarterly growth in its (U.S.) 10 Mbps broadband
> adoption rate, Idaho remained in last place across the country with
> a 34% adoption rate.   Iowa, New Mexico, and Arkansas shared the
> next-lowest 10 Mbps broadband adoption rate in the country at 36%.
> 
> Of interest, Utah easily ranks among the ten top states in bandwidth and 
> adoption.
> 
> 
> (As I've stated repeatedly since 2008, though not an easy task, NM's low 
> national ranking does not have to be the case, as there are low-cost 
> strategic actions that could move us up to within top 20 ranking within a 
> very few years, while also 'raising our many other boats': education, 
> healthcare, jobs, energy, etc.   The digital divide is firmly rooted among 
> leadership as much as among the rural, poor, elderly and undereducated.)
> 
> RL
> 
> 
> ---
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> 1st-Mile Institute 505-603-5200
> Box 8001, Santa Fe, NM 87504,
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Re: [FRIAM] To Be “A Speaker of Words and a Doer of Deeds:” Literature and Leadership | Harvard University

[Edward Angel]

Relevant to what? Certainly not to becoming a film editor. 

He probably got good advice at the Filmmakers Institute. I have a couple of 
close friends whose children married aspiring film editors and writers. The 
great education my friends' children got at the best universities went to 
supporting their spouses' attempts to make it in the film industry; so far all 
have been unsuccessful. Hundreds of schools have created film programs that are 
pouring out students who can’t even get started in the film industry (it’s a 
highly unionized business with high bars to entry). Unless he can get into USC 
or one or two other schools, the value of a liberal arts education probably 
will not translate to breaking into the industry. Jonathan Wacks who used to 
run the film program at College of Santa Fe and now runs the excellent program 
at Emerson in Boston would tell his students to get to CA as soon as they could 
if they intended to work in the industry.

Ed
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Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

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> On Mar 29, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
> I have told some of you about my grandson, who wants to be a film editor.  I 
> arranged for him to meet with the undergraduate adviser in the College of 
> Fine Arts at Carnegie Mellon.  Among other things that man told him that he 
> could get credit for certain courses at the Pittsburgh Filmmakers Institute.  
> When my grandson visited the latter organization his reaction was to ask what 
> he needed Carnegie Mellon for.  I took this as lack of appreciation for the 
> value of a liberal education.  I find the linked address by the President of 
> Harvard to be relevant:
> 
> http://www.harvard.edu/president/speech/2016/to-be-speaker-words-and-doer-deeds-literature-and-leadership
>  
> 
> Frank
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> Phone
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Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

[Edward Angel]

There is a large group of distinguished people including Elon Musk, Stephen 
Hawking, Bill Joy and Martin Rees, who believe that AI is an existential threat 
and the probability of the human race surviving another 100 years is less than 
50/50.  Stephen Hawking has said he has no idea what to do about. Bill Joy’s 
(non) solution is better ethical education for workers in the area. I can’t see 
how open source will prevent the dangers they worry about. Martin Rees has an 
Institute at Cambridge that worries about these things. 

Ed
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Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

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Santa Fe, NM 87501
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> On Jun 5, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Pamela McCorduck  wrote:
> 
> I have some grave concerns about AI being concentrated in the hands of a few 
> big firms—Google, FaceBook, Amazon, and so on. Elon Musk says the answer is 
> open sourcing, but I’m skeptical. That said, I’d be interested in hearing 
> other people’s solutions. Then again, you may not think it’s a problem.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 3:22 PM, Robert Wall > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tom,
>> 
>> Interesting article about Google and their foray [actually a Blitzkrieg, as 
>> they are buying up all of the brain trust in this area] into the world of 
>> machine learning presumably to improve the search customer experience.  
>> Could their efforts actually have unintended consequences for both the 
>> search customer and the marketing efforts of the website owners? It is 
>> interesting to consider. For example, for the former case, Google picking 
>> WebMD as the paragon website for the healthcare industry flies in the face 
>> of my own experience and, say, this New York Times Magazine article: A 
>> Prescription for Fear 
>> 
>>  (Feb 2011).  Will this actually make WebMD the de facto paragon in the 
>> minds of the searchers?  For the latter, successful web marketing becomes 
>> increasingly subject to the latest Google search algorithms instead of the 
>> previously more expert in-house marketing departments. Of course, this is 
>> the nature of SEO--to game the algorithms to attract better rankings.  But, 
>> it seems those in-house marketing departments will need to up their game:
>> 
>> In other ways, things are a bit harder. The field of SEO will continue to 
>> become extremely technical. Analytics and big data are the order of the day, 
>> and any SEO that isn’t familiar with these approaches has a lot of catching 
>> up to do. Those of you who have these skills can look forward to a big 
>> payday.
>> 
>> Also, with respect to those charts anticipating exponential growth for AGI 
>> technology--even eclipsing human intelligence by mid-century--there is much 
>> reasoning to see this as overly optimistic [see, for example, Hubert 
>> Dreyfus' critique of Good Old Fashion AI: "What Computers Can't Do"].  These 
>> charts kind of remind me of the "ultraviolet catastrophe" around the end of 
>> the 19th century. There are physical limitations that may well tamp progress 
>> and keep it to ANI.  With respect to AGI, there have been some pointed 
>> challenges to this "Law of Accelerating Returns."
>> 
>> On this point, I thought this article in AEON titled "Creative Blocks: The 
>> very laws of physics imply that artificial intelligence must be possible. 
>> What’s holding us up? 
>> 
>>  (Oct 2012)" is on point concerning the philosophical and epistemological 
>> road blocks.  This one, titled "Where do minds belong? 
>> 
>>  (Mar 2016)" discusses the technological roadblocks in an insightful, highly 
>> speculative, but entertaining manner.
>> 
>> Nonetheless, this whole discussion is quite intriguing, no matter your 
>> stance, hopes, or fears. 😎
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Tom Johnson > > wrote:
>> See 
>> http://techcrunch.com/2016/06/04/artificial-intelligence-is-changing-seo-faster-than-you-think/?ncid=tcdaily
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> Among other points: "...why doing regression analysis over every site, 
>> without having the context of the search result that it is in, is supremely 
>> flawed."
>> TJ
>> 
>> 
>> Tom Johnson
>> Institute for Analytic Journalism   -- Santa Fe, NM USA
>> 505.577.6482 (c)

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Edward Angel]

It’s not a legally binding vote but Cameron has both resigned (as of October) 
and said he will honor the vote. 

Ed
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Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 1:47 PM, glen ☢  wrote:
> 
> 
> What I don't quite understand is, if referenda are "consultative" and 
> non-binding, why all the hoopla?  Why can't they simply factor the results 
> into a more rational process?  This is especially curious if Cameron plans 
> to/will resign anyway.  And also curious given the Bregret.  Did the 
> pre-referendum legislation dictate that the government must robotically obey 
> the results?  We have all sorts of ways our US government can bypass, ignore, 
> or delay the unencumbered "will of the people."
> 
> -- 
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[FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: ISPs and FCC Republicans celebrate FCC’s court loss on muni broadband | Ars Technica

[Edward Angel]

Not everywhere in NM are things as bad as in SF.

I  was talking to Barry this morning at FRIAM about City Link 
(citylinkfiber.com) which offers fiber connectivity in ABQ. They use robots to 
lay fiber in sewers. Besides gigabit service, as a comparison, 100 Mbs 
bidirectional to the home is $50/month. John Brown of CityLink tried to put a 
fiber ring in SF at his expense and then sell service in Santa Fe. He spent 
years trying to get the city to cooperate without success.

Also, there are place around Santa Fe that took advantage of a variety of 
programs to improve their broadband availability> Santa Fe may wind up being a 
black hole in the middle of the state.

Availability of broadband in what Owen classifies as third world may surprise 
many of you. Many developing countries weren’t burdened by copper 
infrastructure and have been able to make major improvements while we’re stuck 
with legacy providers using their political power to prevent progress.

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> On Aug 12, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
> 
> When Angelou consultants created an economic development plan for the city at 
> the start of the Santa Fe Complex, this was a zinger:
>  
> Do you remember the Angelou Plan which the city paid for?  Beyond his 
> starting his initial review with "You realize of course that your City 
> Council is dysfunctional.", he had several great points, one of which is the 
> lack of a "youth culture".  Basically we're forcing our kids out of town, 
> and/or not making it pleasant for them to come to town.
> 
> And there's this classic:
> 
> http://chriscervini.com/2014/04/01/oh-sad-new-mexico-we-love-we-love-you-so/ 
> 
> 
> We just gotta face it: we live in the third world. Its worth it for many of 
> us and the quirks start to become, er, interesting.
> 
>-- Owen
> 
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 11:54 AM, ┣glen┫  > wrote:
> 
> The squid is a false prophet!
> 
> On 08/12/2016 10:50 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> > Next time I have a chat with a famous squid and it's worshipers I'll ask.
> 
> --
> ␦glen?
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] what other subject is there this morning

[Edward Angel]

Even if Congress were willing to get rid of the EC, the constitutional 
amendment could never get enough states to pass it. 

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> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Tom Johnson  wrote:
> 
> "Interesting that HRC seems likely to win the popular vote. "
> 
> Simply that the Electoral College is, today, a screwy concept.  And remember, 
> this happened in 2000 when the Republicans also prevailed.  I doubt a 
> majority of Congress has the cajones to get rid of the EC.
> TJ
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Owen Densmore  > wrote:
> Interesting that HRC seems likely to win the popular vote. Now what does THAT 
> say about democracy?
> 
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

[Edward Angel]

At the risk of pissing off a lot of my friends, Owen's proposal strikes me as 
tokenism at its worst. If we elites want to do more than talking to and 
emailing each other, I’d suggest that we instead spend some of our time doing 
something to help the sad state of education and the economy in NM. I don’t 
know how many of you realize that 75% of the children in the SF schools qualify 
for food aid and the district scores at the bottom of the state’s districts 
every year. The Alliance for Science has tutoring programs and some of you are 
judges at the Science Fairs (where there is still the need for more judges). We 
need sponsors for the Supercomputing Challenge. I could go on and on with other 
opportunities but I think point is clear.

I noted that Clinton won SF County by about a 3 to 1 margin. So if people want 
to have lunch with other kinds of folks, how about driving down south? An then 
there’s Texas.

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> On Nov 14, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
> 
> Pentecostal or other Evangelical churches
> 
> Pretty dramatic example of The Problem Of Class.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Marcus Daniels  > wrote:
> "Support Classless Society: Invite blue collar folks to wedtech lunch and 
> friam coffee/breakfast. Oops, forgot, they're working."
> 
> 
> 
> "Hmm... well we could move one to the weekend?"
> 
> 
> 
> Google for some Pentecostal or other Evangelical churches in the area (esp. 
> in the outskirts or poorer part of town), and go to them on the weekend.  In 
> the spirit of contrition and all that. 
> 
> 
> 
> Marcus
> 
> From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on 
> behalf of Owen Densmore mailto:o...@backspaces.net>>
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:54:51 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | 
> FiveThirtyEight
>  
> Support Classless Society: Invite blue collar folks to wedtech lunch and 
> friam coffee/breakfast. Oops, forgot, they're working.
> 
> Hmm... well we could move one to the weekend?
> 
> Now that *would* be radical.
> 
>-- Owen
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] (amused): Re: Spam solutions

[Edward Angel]

Check out nomorobo.com. It’s free on landlines if the carrier supports it. 
Small monthly charge for cell phones. We have it since we have a comcast 
digital phone at home. It captures almost 100% of the robo calls. If one gets 
through, we can add the number to their data base. Only one every couple of 
weeks gets through. The way it works is that the phone rings both at home and 
on their computer (big potential security issue). Between the first and second 
rings, they look up the number in their data base and if it’s in there, they 
answer and we never get a second ring.

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> On Dec 13, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Gillian Densmore  wrote:
> 
> Having about enough of Borg Callers (Robo dialers or equivilant) googled to 
> see what the heck can be done?
> This cam about when I found my voice mail (landline) could in about 4-5 days 
> fill up from assorted  800 numbers calling and hanging up.
> Wanting to do somthing about that I googled and  came across several amusing 
> and frighting facts. Such as of the 60-65 unique area codes in america  about 
> 10-15 have an enormous number of there phone numbers used up by  essently 
> fake companies to spam people. 
> Then
> I came across articles like this:
> 
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/8-tips-to-stop-annoying-robocalls/ 
> 
> 
> A few other simillar articles say basically: Make sure your on the do not 
> call list, don't bother answering, if your phone supports it block it etc.
> 
> 
> The cool (and oddly disturbing part) 
> Almost all the comments say:
> -Try Google voice as your main number Google has a low tollerance for aholery
> -Report any spam to google as spam who (supposedly)  eventually just blocks 
> numbers automatically.
> -LOUD Music or Noises close to the phone somehow breaks the robodialers so 
> they just wont call.
> 
> 
> For What it's Worth my experience has been Google Voice seems average for 
> automagic 800 screening. They howevr realy kick butt when you report numbers 
> as spam. 
> 
> I'm also amused coments sugesting loud drumming music (like scotland the 
> brave, the 1812 overature, or Taiko drumming) to stop robo callers on your 
> land line.
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[FRIAM] TEST

[Edward Angel]

Checking if the server has been blacklisted at UNM.

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Re: [FRIAM] NSF 2010 Call for Entries

[Edward Angel]

There are all kinds of programs in NSF. You really have to search nsf.gov. Most 
of the major grants now require some sort of outreach activity. That's what 
supported the Sys Bio event which was funded by NIH and was the first showing
of the winners last year's visualization contest. There is also a Informal 
Science Education part of NSF. Often ISE funds are available to supplement 
regular research grants.

Ed
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On Jul 15, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:

> I don't know 'cause I haven't looked.  Have you?
> 
> -tj
> 
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Nicholas Thompson 
>  wrote:
> Tom,
>  
> Are there any programs in NSF that might support the kind of thing you do, 
> under the heading of making scientific info available to the general 
> public?
>  
> N
>  
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
> Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu)
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
> http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe]
>  
>  
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
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> The 2010 NSF / AAAS Visualization Challenge
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> 
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> Science, published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science 
> (AAAS). 
> 
> Awards categories include: Photography, Illustrations, Informational Posters 
> and Graphics, Interactive Games, and Non-Interactive Media. 
> 
> Winning entries will be published in a February 2011 issue of the journal 
> Science, and will be featured on Science Online and on NSF’s website. One 
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Re: [FRIAM] Query about rating agencies/groups

[Edward Angel]

I'd worry about about how to use that number. The prevailing view in both 
academic departments and industry is that Java is on its way out. For the kinds 
of things that Java is good at, scripting languages have advanced so much that 
they are replacing Java. For large scale applications, industry never used 
Java. 

It's a major problem for schools that have their whole curriculum in Java. When 
their students graduate they find the job opportunities can be very limited if 
they don't have experience with other languages like C++. For our students that 
are not CS majors but need to know some programming, the demand ranges from C++ 
and Matlab for engineering majors to python for the animation industry with a 
lot movement towards java script.

It's interesting that all the feedback I get from industry is that they (like 
us academics) hate C++ but they have yet to find a suitable replacement for 
large scale programming jobs such as developing and maintaining a game engine.

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On Jul 28, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

> ACM Technotes reported today:
> 
> Java/J2EE is the programming and developing skill in most demand with more 
> than 14,000 open job positions nationally, according to a July report from IT 
> job board Dice.
> 
> -- rec --
> 
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Grant Holland  
> wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> What is your opinion about certification in the Java world at this point?
> 
> Grant
> 
> 
> Prof David West wrote:
>> 
>> Pamela,  my replies do not seem to get posted to the list, so I included
>> your direct address.
>> 
>> There is no rating or accrediting body for certifications.  The ACM/IEEE
>> could and perhaps should do this, but they have a conflict of interest
>> in that they offer their own set of certifications.
>> 
>> You are absolutely correct that the quality of the programs varies
>> significantly - some vendor certifications, like Cisco's, have a very
>> good reputation and they also certify trainers.  Others, like Scrum
>> Master are hideous jokes (I am a "Certified Scrum Master).  Microsoft
>> Certs are in the middle, good except when the right answer conflicts
>> with Microsofts answer in which case right loses to might.
>> 
>> A lot of universities, especially two-year schools offer courses that
>> are, in effect, certification test preparation.
>> 
>> If you let me know what certifications you are most interested in, I
>> might be able to provide some direction.
>> 
>> dave west
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:00 -0600, "Pamela McCorduck" 
>> wrote:
>>   
>>> Does there exist a rating agency or group that rates IT certification
>>> programs the way several such groups exist for colleges and universities?
>>> My son-in-law wishes to upgrade his skills, but we're very concerned that
>>> some of the programs are nothing but fancy scams.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Pamela
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "God keep me from ever completing anything. This whole book is but a
>>> draft--nay, but the draft of a draft. Oh, Time, Strength, Cash, and
>>> Patience!"
>>> 
>>> Melville, "Moby Dick"
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Re: [FRIAM] Net Neutrality?

[Edward Angel]

I believe a major part of the concern is that a provider can decide to provide 
better service for some rather than equal service for all. For example, if you 
use comcast as your provider, you would be affected if Comcast provided their 
own streaming video at a high QoS while giving Netflix, that you may be paying 
for, a low QoS, thus pushing you to buy their online movies.

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On Aug 16, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> With all the buzz about Google & Verizon, I'm surprised at the use of the 
> term Net Neutrality including Quality of Service.
> 
> The pundits are concerned that somehow QoS (differential bandwidth/latency) 
> according to service will Destroy The Net As We Know It!!
> 
> My understanding from early on was that Net Neutrality means that the 
> services are provided at the endpoints, and that the net itself is 
> independent of the services.  And QoS entered in via protocol requirements 
> (RTP and other media protocols, for example, can have lower latency if 
> available, possibly with reduced bandwidth).
> 
> But bandwidth concerns seem to be of a different nature .. you can pay for 
> better pipes if appropriate.
> 
> So I find myself confused about the buzz -- anyone got a clear understanding 
> about where NN is endangered by Google & Verizon?  (I only know of one case 
> that concerns me and that's iPhone/ATT providing specialized Voice Mail that 
> is non-NN as far as I can see.)
> 
>-- Owen
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Semipalatinsk and Los Alamos

[Edward Angel]

We should also take into account the many Sandia scientists and  
technicians that were part of the Pacific tests. I don't know what has  
been documented about them but when I first moved to NM in the late  
70's. I met a number of them. They all seemed to believe that many of  
their coworkers had died from cancer or had cancer but were reluctant  
to seek any publicity as they saw their activities as a patriotic act  
that was important and did not fault the government for not giving  
them adequate protection from the blasts.


Ed

On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Scott R. Powell wrote:


And maybe a couple of the Manhattan Project scientists.

Jochen, only one weapon was ever detonated in New Mexico, in 1945.  
Many more were tested in Nevada in the 1950s and the fallout from  
those tests did cause cancers, notably leukemia, most visibly in Utah.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Test_Site

If you're interested in controversy, the website of the Los Alamos  
Study Group affords plenty of one-sided controversy - http://www.lasg.org/


This is a video compilation of all known nuclear weapon detonations  
from 1945 to 1998 -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfpQNfcRE1o&feature=player_embedded

Mit freundlichem Gruß
Scott Powell

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
The principal nuclear bomb casualties in New Mexico, that I'm aware  
of, were Navajo Uranium miners and their families.


-- rec --

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Jochen Fromm   
wrote:
Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan was a primary testing area for the  
nuclear weapons of the Soviet Union. It is similar to the Trinity  
Site (now the White Sands Missile Range) near Los Alamos and Santa Fe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semipalatinsk_Test_Site

Here the Americans set off their first atomic bomb, at  
Semipalatinsk, the Soviets set off their first nuclear bomb. They  
built a secret city 60 km away from the testing grounds (the former  
research center Semipalatinsk-21, now Kurchatov), similar to Los  
Alamos.


Today, the people near Semipalatinsk still suffer
from the effects of radiation, the incidence of cancer and cancer  
mortality has increased.

Is this a problem in New Mexico as well?
Is it a controversial topic in Santa Fe?

-J.


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Re: [FRIAM] [sfx: Discuss] Fwd: Announcing Cluster GPU Instances for Amazon EC2

[Edward Angel]

Everything I do is GPU based. It's all graphics. Today I turn in the final 
manuscript for a major revision of my graphics textbook (used in over 200 
colleges and universities) that switches everything to using the GPUs instead 
of CPUs.
Cells phones are now using GPU code and WebGL, which is now beginning to be 
supported in the latest browsers, is all shader based so your browser will use 
the GPU.

If you are interested in GPUs for more general processing, you can find a lot 
of information NVidia on CUDA. 

Ed
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Chair, Board of Directors, Santa Fe Complex
Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu
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http://artslab.unm.edu

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On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> I gotta say, amazon has surprised me in their monotonically increasingly 
> impressive set of services.  Now GPU instances.
> 
> I scoffed at their being just a "box in the sky" approach, but with their 
> slowly improving console for managing all the parts they offer, I could 
> easily see them becoming the IT dept of many companies.
> 
> Does anyone on the list use them?  If so, how?
> 
>-- Owen
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Amazon Web Services 
>> Date: November 15, 2010 1:49:42 AM MST
>> To: "o...@backspaces.net" 
>> Subject: Announcing Cluster GPU Instances for Amazon EC2
>> 
>> Dear Amazon EC2 Customer,
>> 
>> We are excited to announce the immediate availability of Cluster GPU 
>> Instances for Amazon EC2, a new instance type designed to deliver the power 
>> of GPU processing in the cloud. GPUs are increasingly being used to 
>> accelerate the performance of many general purpose computing problems.  
>> However, for many organizations, GPU processing has been out of reach due to 
>> the unique infrastructural challenges and high cost of the technology.  
>> Amazon Cluster GPU Instances remove this barrier by providing developers and 
>> businesses immediate access to the highly tuned compute performance of GPUs 
>> with no upfront investment or long-term commitment.
>> 
>> Amazon Cluster GPU Instances provide 22 GB of memory, 33.5 EC2 Compute 
>> Units, and utilize the Amazon EC2 Cluster network, which provides high 
>> throughput and low latency for High Performance Computing (HPC) and data 
>> intensive applications.  Each GPU instance features two NVIDIA Tesla® M2050 
>> GPUs, delivering peak performance of more than one trillion double-precision 
>> FLOPS.  Many workloads can be greatly accelerated by taking advantage of the 
>> parallel processing power of hundreds of cores in the new GPU instances.  
>> Many industries  including oil and gas exploration, graphics rendering and 
>> engineering design  are using GPU processors to improve the performance of 
>> their critical applications.
>> 
>> Amazon Cluster GPU Instances extend the options for running HPC workloads in 
>> the AWS cloud.  Cluster Compute Instances, launched earlier this year, 
>> provide the ability to create clusters of instances connected by a low 
>> latency, high throughput network.  Cluster GPU Instances give customers with 
>> HPC workloads an additional option to further customize their high 
>> performance clusters in the cloud.  For those customers who have 
>> applications that can benefit from the parallel computing power of GPUs, 
>> Amazon Cluster GPU Instances can often lead to even further efficiency gains 
>> over what can be achieved with traditional processors.  By leveraging both 
>> instance types, HPC customers can tailor their compute cluster to best meet 
>> the performance needs of their workloads.  For more information on HPC 
>> capabilities provided by Amazon EC2, visit 
>> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/hpc-applications.
>> 
>> Learn more about the new Cluster GPU instances for Amazon EC2 at 
>> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ and their use in running HPC applications at 
>> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/hpc-applications/.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> The Amazon EC2 Team
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Re: [FRIAM] Dissertation Browser | Stanford

[Edward Angel]

Not a very good display since it starts with the traditional silos. 

Another reference is some work my MS student Brian Wylie did at Sandia as part 
of his thesis. See http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/asi.10066/abstract

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On Dec 11, 2010, at 12:56 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:

> 
> 
> Visual display of the relationship of dissertation topics at Stanford. Note 
> the narrowness of those coming out of "Communications." Doesn't seem to be 
> much cross-pollination from other perspectives/disciplines. [No surprise, 
> that.] But I wonder how one could measure/rank the degrees of association and 
> dis-association of all the departments pictured here? -tj
> 
> Quotes:
> 
> Dissertation Browser | Stanford
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[FRIAM] Graphics Class at the Complex

[Edward Angel]

A number of you have shown interest in having a course in Computer Graphics at 
the Complex. I've been working with UNM on it so that those of you who are 
interested and what credit for the class can do that. So here is what I'm 
proposing to do.

We'll do the equivalent of UNM's CS/EECE 412 Introduction to Computer Graphics 
which counts for both undergraduate and graduate credit. I'm hoping we can use 
the new edition of my textbook "Interactive Computer Graphics" which should 
come out around March. If it isn't available, my publisher will get us copies 
of the first couple of chapters which we can use until the book is available. 

The course is an introduction to Computer Graphics using OpenGL. The 
significance of the new edition is that it will be the first textbook that uses 
the latest versions of OpenGL which are totally shader based. Consequently we 
should be able to do projects on PCs or Macs with any version of OpenGL from 
3.1 up to 4.1 or on cell phones with OpenGL ES 2.0 or through browsers with 
WebGL. All these versions are almost identical so participants should be able 
to pick their platform and programming language. 

The content includes hardware and software, geometry, viewing, modeling, 
procedural methods, curves and surfaces. An old syllabus from UNM is at 
www.cs.unm.edu/~angel/CS433. In the modern version that we'll do, everything 
will be done using shaders on the GPU. I'd like to keep the format where we all 
do a few startup projects and then each participant picks a project to do.

The plan is to start around March 1 and do the class over the next couple of 
months ending at the close of UNM's spring semester. 

To make this work for those who want credit and to earn some much needed funds 
for the Complex, I need seven people to register for UNM credit. Otherwise, I 
don't really care if others sit in as long as they participate. 

Not only is the subject of interest to a lot of you, if we can do this course 
successfully with UNM, it will lead to a long term relationship under which we 
could offer more courses at the Complex for which credit will be available. 
I'll also be working on an on line version at the same time which could also be 
a test case for future offerings through the Complex.

Please let me know if you are interested. It would be good to have an 
organizational meeting sometime next week, perhaps a round table at Wedtech 
next week if nothing else has been scheduled yet.

Ed
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Chair, Board of Directors, Santa Fe Complex
Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu
505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel

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Re: [FRIAM] Graphics Class at the Complex

[Edward Angel]

Once, maybe twice, a week. I can put most of the materials on my website. 

Ed
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Chair, Board of Directors, Santa Fe Complex
Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu
505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel

http://artslab.unm.edu

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On Jan 30, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:

> Ed:
> 
> I'm interested, but do you have a sense of how many times a week and when the 
> class will meet?  In any case, I'll sign up (if I can do it as a audit; I 
> don't need no stinkin' credits) and pay the fees if it will help the course 
> "make."
> 
> -tom johnson
> 
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Edward Angel  wrote:
> A number of you have shown interest in having a course in Computer Graphics 
> at the Complex. I've been working with UNM on it so that those of you who are 
> interested and what credit for the class can do that. So here is what I'm 
> proposing to do.
> 
> We'll do the equivalent of UNM's CS/EECE 412 Introduction to Computer 
> Graphics which counts for both undergraduate and graduate credit. I'm hoping 
> we can use the new edition of my textbook "Interactive Computer Graphics" 
> which should come out around March. If it isn't available, my publisher will 
> get us copies of the first couple of chapters which we can use until the book 
> is available. 
> 
> The course is an introduction to Computer Graphics using OpenGL. The 
> significance of the new edition is that it will be the first textbook that 
> uses the latest versions of OpenGL which are totally shader based. 
> Consequently we should be able to do projects on PCs or Macs with any version 
> of OpenGL from 3.1 up to 4.1 or on cell phones with OpenGL ES 2.0 or through 
> browsers with WebGL. All these versions are almost identical so participants 
> should be able to pick their platform and programming language. 
> 
> The content includes hardware and software, geometry, viewing, modeling, 
> procedural methods, curves and surfaces. An old syllabus from UNM is at 
> www.cs.unm.edu/~angel/CS433. In the modern version that we'll do, everything 
> will be done using shaders on the GPU. I'd like to keep the format where we 
> all do a few startup projects and then each participant picks a project to do.
> 
> The plan is to start around March 1 and do the class over the next couple of 
> months ending at the close of UNM's spring semester. 
> 
> To make this work for those who want credit and to earn some much needed 
> funds for the Complex, I need seven people to register for UNM credit. 
> Otherwise, I don't really care if others sit in as long as they participate. 
> 
> Not only is the subject of interest to a lot of you, if we can do this course 
> successfully with UNM, it will lead to a long term relationship under which 
> we could offer more courses at the Complex for which credit will be 
> available. I'll also be working on an on line version at the same time which 
> could also be a test case for future offerings through the Complex.
> 
> Please let me know if you are interested. It would be good to have an 
> organizational meeting sometime next week, perhaps a round table at Wedtech 
> next week if nothing else has been scheduled yet.
> 
> Ed
> __
> 
> Ed Angel
> 
> Chair, Board of Directors, Santa Fe Complex
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
> 
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> Santa Fe, NM 87501
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[FRIAM] Graphics Class

[Edward Angel]

I've received a lot of positive responses about the class so it looks it's a 
go. Some of you have asked about scheduling. I'm pretty open as to times and I 
intend to have a lot of material available on line. Steve Smith has set up a 
doodle poll so people can put in their preferences. It's at 

http://www.doodle.com/qw535ewa3ux3zxcw42grre5n/admin

I had suggested we meet next week. I noted though that there is a Wedtech 
scheduled for next week but none for this week so I've put us down to have a 
roundtable discussion that might include content, possible projects, scheduling 
and how to register with UNM of you want credit. So if you can make it, we'll 
meet at the Complex Wednesday April 2 at noon.

Ed
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Chair, Board of Directors, Santa Fe Complex
Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu
505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel

http://artslab.unm.edu

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[FRIAM] Graphics Class at SFX

[Edward Angel]

I edited the doodle poll with possible times including some late in the day. 
Please enter your prefered/possible times to meet. We'll probably meet twice a 
week, at least to start, with the first meeting early in March.

http://www.doodle.com/qw535ewa3ux3zxcw42grre5n/admin

I've also put together a list of those who have told me they are interested in 
the class.
Please let me know if you haven't responded yet and want to be on that list so 
I won't sent future emails to the entire discuss and friam lists.

Ed
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Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu
505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel

http://artslab.unm.edu

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On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Steve Smith wrote:

> Go into the admin site (link below) and set up YOUR OK times... and hope 
> everyone else responds to times that work for you... so far Cody and Tom have 
> said they are good (any day of the week, and Wednesdays only)
> 
> The rest of the crowd should weigh in on the "Participant" link after you set 
> the basic proposal times.
> 
> - STeve
>> I've received a lot of positive responses about the class so it looks it's a 
>> go. Some of you have asked about scheduling. I'm pretty open as to times and 
>> I intend to have a lot of material available on line. Steve Smith has set up 
>> a doodle poll so people can put in their preferences. It's at 
>> 
>> http://www.doodle.com/qw535ewa3ux3zxcw42grre5n/admin
>> 
>> I had suggested we meet next week. I noted though that there is a Wedtech 
>> scheduled for next week but none for this week so I've put us down to have a 
>> roundtable discussion that might include content, possible projects, 
>> scheduling and how to register with UNM of you want credit. So if you can 
>> make it, we'll meet at the Complex Wednesday April 2 at noon.
>> 
>> Ed
>> __
>> 
>> Ed Angel
>> 
>> Chair, Board of Directors, Santa Fe Complex
>> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS 
>> Lab)
>> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>> 
>> 1017 Sierra Pinon
>> Santa Fe, NM 87501
>> 505-984-0136 (home)   an...@cs.unm.edu
>> 505-453-4944 (cell)   http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel
>>http://artslab.unm.edu
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>> 
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[FRIAM] Graphics Class

[Edward Angel]

Everything seems to be set for our graphics class.

I've set up a google group 
SFX_Graphics(http://groups.google.com/group/sfx_graphics?hl=en) so from now on 
all email and announcements about the class should go through there. Anyone can 
join the group at that url.

The class will be taught as CS/EECE 412 Introduction to Computer Graphics. 
Anyone is welcome to attend but I need six people to sign up and pay UNM 
tuition in order for the Complex to get any money from UNM. If you are willing 
to do that (the tuition is around $700) and you are not already in UNM's 
system, you must first enroll as a non-degree student at UNM. That can be done 
on-line (www.unm.edu) for $10. Once you have done that you can enroll for the 
class.

We are completing the process of getting the course listed as an eight week 
spring semester class. I should have the official six digit number for the 
section by the end of the week and I'll send it to the google list. You'll need 
the number to register for the class.

I listed the times as Monday and Wednesday afternoons. We can change that later 
but the doodle poll had those times as good ones. I'll have a lot of material 
on-line so it won't be necessary to be there for all classes. Officially second 
half of the semester courses start the week of March 20 but I'd like to get 
started at least the week before.

Ed
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Chair, Board of Directors, Santa Fe Complex
Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu
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[FRIAM] Graphics Class begins

[Edward Angel]

We'll be doing a first intro graphics class this Wed at noon at the Complex. If 
any of you are interested but haven't joined the SFX_Graphics google group, 
please do so now. I think we have enough people signed up so it will be an 
official UNM class but others can participate as well.

Ed
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Chair, Board of Directors, Santa Fe Complex
Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
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Re: [FRIAM] Streaming of Ed Angel's OpenGL class at Santa Fe Complex

[Edward Angel]

Any book on Java, OpenGL and Jogl has to be over five years out of date. Jogl 
was popular for a while because CS students were learning Java as their primary 
programming language. There was a lot of activity for a while with Sun and 
Java3D but when that died, it ignited some interest in Jogl. However, Jogl 1x 
is totally out of date being based an old OpenGL. Updating it to include 
programmable shaders is not trivial. Even though you can find references to 
Jogl 2.0 being under development, I haven't seen any hard evidence and whatever 
entity is developing it isn't one of the standards groups.

Why there are no standard Java bindings to OpenGL is an interesting issue with 
a long history.  I suspect all the Jogl development efforts will subsumed by 
webgl and JavaScript.

Ed
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Chair, Board of Directors, Santa Fe Complex
Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu
505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel

http://artslab.unm.edu

http://sfcomplex.org

On Mar 12, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> Wow.  I wish Java had not lost so many battles.  The code structure in these 
> examples are brilliant.
> 
>   -- Owen
> 
> On Mar 12, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Alfredo Covaleda wrote:
> 
>> Might be useful: 
>> 
>> Fundamentals of Computer Graphics
>> With Java, OpenGL  and Jogl
>> David J. Eck
>> Hobart and William smith Colleges
>> 
>> on-line Book available at http://math.hws.edu/graphicsnotes/
>> 
>> Alfredo
> 
> 
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[FRIAM] Wedtech

[Edward Angel]

Were going to have another wedtech roundtable this Wed at noon that will focus 
on doing agent based models using modern shader-based OpenGL (versions 3.1 and 
up, ES 2..0 and WebGL). I'll show some demos and discuss the use of frame 
buffer objects for rendering to texture and then using double buffered textures 
for imaging operations. I'll show some examples that are close to what you need 
to build a net logo equivalent in OpenGL.

Ed
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Chair, Board of Directors, Santa Fe Complex
Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
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