At least at CMU there are people competent enough to make decisions about the merits of faculty work. At one point at UNM, the intellectual property person at UNM declared that any software we produced, even for a class, had to be turned over to him and he would make the decision as to whether or not it had commercial potential before we could put it on our websites.The guy knew nothing about software and was also pretty incompetent as a IP lawyer.
Long ago I was an expert witness on a case in which the Feds went after someone who had manipulated the thermostats in a Sandia building.They were using pretty draconian computer hacking laws to go after him. We were able to convince the prosectors to drop the case at least partly on the argument that almost everything has an embedded processor so their argument would convert thousands of actions into computer crimes. Ed _______________________ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel <http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel> > On Jul 7, 2020, at 7:39 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Carnegie Mellon's intellectual property policy was described in a ~50 page > summary document when I worked there. But it was apparently more > complicated than that. I had to testify in Federal Court regarding software > that had been developed by chemistry professor and Nobel Laureate John People > and his students. A company named Gaussian Inc was selling the software and > one of my tasks was to keep the version made available by the Pittsburgh > Supercomputing Center current. PSC is jointly operated by CMU and Pitt and > it makes supercomputers and software available to researchers. The > simplified understanding was that any artifact created by CMU researchers > could be sold commercially but that the University could not be charged for > its use. When I asked for Gaussian 94 (a new version was released every two > years) the company stalled for weeks and eventually said we had to buy it. > To shorten the story, after months of litigation and just before the judge > was to issue his ruling, an out-of-court settlement was reached which was > confidential. IP is a complex area. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:05 AM ∄ uǝlƃ <geprope...@gmail.com > <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Continuing down the open access thread and the ethics of Schwartz' JSTOR > theft, libgen, and sci-hub: > > Retractions and controversies over coronavirus research show that the process > of science is working as it should > https://theconversation.com/retractions-and-controversies-over-coronavirus-research-show-that-the-process-of-science-is-working-as-it-should-140326 > > <https://theconversation.com/retractions-and-controversies-over-coronavirus-research-show-that-the-process-of-science-is-working-as-it-should-140326> > > >From the article: "The database provided by the tiny company Surgisphere – > >whose website is no longer accessible – was unavailable during peer review > >of the paper or to scientists and the public afterwards, preventing anyone > >from evaluating the data." > > The point I made in response to EricS's worry that emphasizing paper > consumption over book consumption was that the paper publishing process is > more agile and, I argue, can stick more closely to the referent(s). With that > agility comes some of the criticisms of Science™ (as well-expressed by Dave > recently). To my mind, those criticisms target the wrong thing. They're > failures of us to understand that there is no unified scientific method [†] > and, along with *openness* comes an understanding that the whole process is > messy and intensely social. I think it was Randy Burge who used to repeat a > mantra like "Not being right, but getting it right." That journals (as well > as newspapers) don't *require* open source and open data at the outset > boggles me. > > Coincidentally, this popped up in my queue the other day: > > Let's talk about why people are moving left.... > https://youtu.be/2g0qUxgwHmo <https://youtu.be/2g0qUxgwHmo> > > Ed's story about authors seeing very little compensation for their work, > Nick's plea for a way to harvest the minds of non-academics, the ethics of > Schwartz' theft, are all *old* issues targeting the same problems with late > stage capitalism now being targeted by BLM and antifa. Perhaps the incentive > and motive systems are the causes; and outcomes like libgen are the symptoms. > > > [†] I'm currently (slowly, as usual) reading a nice little book called > "Ignorance" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13574594-ignorance > <https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13574594-ignorance> that makes this > point nicely. I put the book down in disgust when he started yapping about > quantum mechanics. Why does everyone always do that even if they admit > upfront they don't know what they're talking about? [sigh] Anyway, I got over > it and have started again. > > On 7/7/20 4:59 AM, Edward Angel wrote: > > I have to negotiate the terms with the university, I can, however, make > > anything I develop open source. 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