The term “computational thinking” incorporates all the points you brought up.
Ed _______________________ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel <http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel> > On Jan 29, 2021, at 3:49 PM, Tom Johnson <t...@jtjohnson.com> wrote: > > And I would gently suggest (not argue) that before ""algorithmic thinking" we > should teach systems thinking/analysis: what will be the system in question > and its defined boundaries, what the variables/agents within the system, the > input/output relationships between those variables under what > context/conditions, how do we measure change in the system and is the system > capable of "learning," i.e. adapting to internal and external changes in its > environment. > > With these steps we can start to discuss algorithms. So there! Harump! > TJ > > > ============================================ > Tom Johnson - t...@jtjohnson.com > <https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/link/c70c01c9422b17194f_1611960559845?uid=226430&url=mailto%3Atom%40jtjohnson.com> > Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA > 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) > NM Foundation for Open Government > <https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/link/c70c01c9422b17194f_1611960559845?uid=226430&url=https%3A%2F%2Fl.shitrk.com%2Fr%2Fe%2F5KGR4cK9ZgaHrMkPr%3Fr%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fnmfog.org%2F> > Check out It's The People's Data > <https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/link/c70c01c9422b17194f_1611960559845?uid=226430&url=https%3A%2F%2Fl.shitrk.com%2Fr%2Fe%2FBNmKkirWv12Frw9Pg%3Fr%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpages%2FIts-The-Peoples-Data%2F1599854626919671> > > ============================================ > > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 3:00 PM George Duncan <gtdun...@gmail.com > <mailto:gtdun...@gmail.com>> wrote: > I certainly agree with Ed. Coding does indeed suggest the final stage for a > particular language--should that colon instead be on a semi-colon. I would, > though, argue for "algorithmic thinking" rather than "computational > thinking". > > George Duncan > Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University > georgeduncanart.com <http://georgeduncanart.com/> > See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram > Land: (505) 983-6895 > Mobile: (505) 469-4671 > > My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tension between matrix order and > luminous chaos. > > "Attempt what is not certain. Certainty may or may not come later. It may > then be a valuable delusion." > From "Notes to myself on beginning a painting" by Richard Diebenkorn. > "It's that knife-edge of uncertainty where we come alive to our truest > power." Joanna Macy. > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 2:53 PM Edward Angel <an...@cs.unm.edu > <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu>> wrote: > Going back to Dave’s original post, to me a big part of the issue is what is > meant by “coding.” Unfortunately for manys in CS education, coding has come > to refer only to the very last step in a complex process; namely, converting > a final detailed set of instructions into computer code for a particular > computer language. This is especially true of what as happened in the schools > with programs that claim to teach coding and STEM. It’s why many of us prefer > to use the term “computational thinking” when dealing with CS education. > > If coding is just the final step (which could be replaced by a machine, if > not now but soon) then it would be orthogonal to all these other skills. > > Ed > _______________________ > > Ed Angel > > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > > 1017 Sierra Pinon > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu > <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu> > 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > <http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel> > >> On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:41 AM, Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm >> <mailto:profw...@fastmail.fm>> wrote: >> >> For a while now there has been a huge push to teach kids how to code. >> Ostensibly because it enhances skills like language, logic, and math; plus, >> "computer literacy" is essential in a world filled with computers. >> >> A study at MIT suggests that coding skill is orthogonal to reading skill and >> has little, if any, influence on development of logic/math skills. >> >> An article in the Journal of Neuroscience argues that if you want to >> increase the "skills and brainpower" of kids you should teach them music. >> >> I came across this information peripherally and have not read the specific >> research reported on. 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