If he adoption of SwellRT as the main branch for Wave goes ahead, then
that has some sort of Android test client anyway, so this project is
likely both unfinished and redundant.
That said, there's always a chance it has interface code that could be reused?
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; lack of activity, when it was actually fine where it was.
>
> We need to make sure, out of respect for SwellRT, that it can gain a
> level of traction that makes it worth the effort porting it to Apache.
>
> The suggested steps you outline below are a great part of that.
>
>
of this list for a while. I am another one of the
>>>> people
>>>> who would love to contribute, but literally have no idea where to start.
>>>> I
>>>> really think that if the code was divided a bit more it'd be easier to
>>>> contribut
If we are doing things for SwellRTs benefit, it seems like it should
all be upto Pablo to me.
As the main developer of SwellRT he has the most to risk, and any
requirements or prerequisites he feels necessary to mitage that risk
he should specify and we should accommodate.
I certainly don't want an
I am sorry I didn't make the meeting, glade to see it was productive.
However, I am curious though why there is questions still as to if
SwellRT should be merged with wave.
Wave development at apache is nearly dead.
Doing nothing and it will have to retire. No one has proposed a 3rd
option that I
se forgive the use of this term if it bears a
>> little
>> > > explanation.
>> > > It simply means there is a meeting - and everyone needs to be there.
>> > > (please)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *Wednesday September 28 at 10:00am EST*
see? even writing that email I wrote "not got" rather then "not good"!
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> Just a forewarning; I p
scussed. While not answered conclusively, I think it is safe to
> expect the retirement will be held off *for now*.
>
> This meeting is about the future of Wave.
> If you care about the project *at* *all*, *please join us*.
>
> Requested attendees:
>
>1.
>
>Pric
omplex.
>> >>
>> >> Upayavira
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 30 Aug 2016, at 09:58 PM, Taylor Fahlman wrote:
>> >> > I've been a reader of this list for a while. I am another one of the
>> >> > people
>> >> >
end what I think we want here is
>> A
>> > > Plan.
>> > >
>> > > These are all excellent questions and worth proper discussion.
>> > >
>> > > 100%: small manageable steps.
>> > >
>> > > Any thoughts on a
e, 30 Aug 2016, at 09:58 PM, Taylor Fahlman wrote:
>> > > I've been a reader of this list for a while. I am another one of the
>> > > people
>> > > who would love to contribute, but literally have no idea where to start.
>> > > I
>&
ed to
>> contribute
>> > > comfortably...
>> > >
>> > > I don't know how the major changes I am suggesting get introduced and
>> > > discussed in much more detail. I'm hoping that perhaps I lieue of a
>> > &
I have tried on 3 separate occasions to understand the server. Its
simply not in my skillset and I don't have the time to learn. I don't
wish to sound arrogant there, theres learning needed for anything of
course. But its too much investment - I want to apply skills that I
already have. Last time
Once again, a small reminder; gwt+android developer willing to work
client side and dedicate time to it whenever/if there ever is
separation of client and server.
I dont hold out much hope though. Many times separation has come up
over the last 4(?) years, and despite consensus of it being a good
i
Welcome to by far the coolest open federated realtime OT based
communication platform in town!
I appreciate all the time and efforts given to making Wave into the
platform the modern web needs, rather then merely the platforms the
modern web deserves.
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gt; >2016-04-09 23:02 GMT+02:00 Yuri Z :
>> >
>> >> I am not sure we know how to do it right anyways.
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 11:53 PM Michael MacFadden <
>> >> michael.macfad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I agree, I don’
>>
>> > I only exist in the peanut gallery, but this reflects my feelings too.
>> > Wave isn't wave without federation... I wish I had the time to help :-(
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > On 07/04/16 16:42, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
>> >
I'm not sure there's any point in wave without federation frankly.
I supported wave because I didn't want the net turning into "facebook
protocols" and "google protocols" etc. We need new emails. Protocols
that allow people on different servers to communicate, not protocols
trying to get everyone
t;> changes,
>> >> and to have API to allow you to drive remote changes into it.
>> >> >
>> >> > The point being that, the conversation renderer and rich text editor
>> is
>> >> a very non-trivial component, if the assumption is to roughly
ion is to have realtime editing. Otherwise we can use Robot
> API - like in https://github.com/vega113/microbox
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 5:45 PM Thomas Wrobel wrote:
>
>> Does it need to be OT aware on that scale? I thought that was only
>> needed to have fully realt
ch 2016 at 16:30, Yuri Z wrote:
> Not really. You would need to make it OT aware. and then make it efficient.
> Lot's of effort.
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 5:24 PM Thomas Wrobel wrote:
>
>> As a side, I noticed Michael MacFadden mentioned building a rich text
>> edi
As a side, I noticed Michael MacFadden mentioned building a rich text
editor in the browser, this much at least have been done in GWT
libraries;
http://www.gwtproject.org/javadoc/latest/com/google/gwt/user/client/ui/RichTextArea.html
Its fairly basic, but then, I would assume to start with at leas
As always +1 to separation (speaking as a GWT person not having a clue
how the server works).
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> Hell all,
>
> please see the attached doc
Regarding p2p based approaches not being mature enough for OT, are we
talking about https://ipfs.io/ like solutions here?
I know little about the underlying durability or availability of such
technologies, merely it seems best not to reinvent any wheels if others
have already done the work.
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1) Separate repository - keep it as "clean" as possible that way.
2) Own versioning, as it should be able to be updated independently. The
only question I guess is potential future breaks in compatibility? Might
want a chart that says "use this version sever with this version android
client" somewh
I tried to separate them out a few years ago and got nowhere, so I cant
help personally.
However, when asking about it a few months back I was pointed to this fork
of wave;
https://github.com/P2Pvalue/swellrt
That project has a server with a JavaScript API allowing various sorts of
clients to acces
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> Hi all,
>
> As my proposal [1] for Native Android Client for Apache Wave has being
>
Thanks for the summery.
Quite depressed about the sever/client split being so hard. (especially as
a GWT developer that loves it and finds it easy to work with)
Is it possible to summarise why the bugs stop the separation? Maybe one of
the projects that have already forked and made a API coul
+1
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On 7 April 2015 at 22:54, Angus Turner wrote:
> I'm inclined to +1 this.
>
> Part of the reason wave is so har
Can you clarify #2, what connection has the GWT rich text editor have with
anything else?
Surely as long as the server is Java, and the client is for the web (and
thus JS), you would need GWT to code share, regardless of any rich text
editing or lack of :?
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Pablo , I might be interested in using your project as it gells with my own
project (arwave.org - we want to establish a system for selectively shared
geolocated content. Think collaboratively constructed and shared virtual
worlds, not tied
to any one company's server or even client).
Is your proje
You can split the client and sever without switching languages.
This is common in GWT projects.
You just have
- client (gwt java)
- sever (java)
- common (gwt-subset of java, but not using any gwt specific things)
Common can then be imported by any non-gwt (but still Java) clients, such
as Android
Some of these might be easier if client was separated out first though.
I could certainly help out with GWT related tasks if that was the case, but
its the tightly coupled nature of the sever/client that held me back more
then anything else.
I think the intersection between "GWT user" and "Can und
depends. +1 "I would *like* to participate"
But realistically that means "I can help on the client side once its
separated out".
I've tried too often before and failed in its current state.
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On 24 March 2015 at 16:32, Dave Ball wrote:
>
>> Might it be better to have three "parts"?
> - common
> - server
> - client
>
> Common would contain the document and concurrency model etc. Client and
> Server would both depend on Common. Common would compile to JS for the
> Client, but Server
On 24 March 2015 at 13:56, Francesco Rossi wrote:
> Client - server split as much as possible :)
>
> +1
I think the question is if that task can be subdivided into smaller steps?
>
> On 3/24/2015 4:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>
>> we have volunteers for the next months. Why not discussing
re
> available in my forked version of Wave:
>
> The Wave platform including the general JavaScript API:
> https://github.com/P2Pvalue/incubator-wave
>
>
> Experimental port of the Wave API to Android:
> https://github.com/Zorbel/swell-android
>
>
> I will keep contr
>>>>> to understand and I moved to share.js because I could more easily
>>>>> comprehend it's inner workings and could build my client around it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideally two projects and a documented protocol would have been best.
>>&g
s I cant expect anything.
But this is my hypothesis as to why Wave development wasn't as active as it
could have been.
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ad of conversations you can have any other data. Instead
> of one client app you can have different ones.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2014-12-04 14:19 GMT+01:00 Thomas Wrobel :
>
> > Can I clarify how this works;
> > If a few people ran wave servers with this extension, could th
Can I clarify how this works;
If a few people ran wave servers with this extension, could they federate a
few different data models? (ie, this one extension would allow different
users using wave for different things, and provided other severs have the
same extension, they can all talk to eachother
Sorry to bump in here, but another potential use case of Json syncing
eventually could be for 3d collaboration. If multiple people could work of
a 3d scene based on Json data (as webGL can be:
http://www.lighthouse3d.com/2013/07/webgl-importing-a-json-formatted-3d-model/
) , it should be possible t
+1 x2
Might be worth keeping an eye on these guys;
https://github.com/WardCunningham/Smallest-Federated-Wiki
If your not already. Might be a few related issues in play.
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Of what benefit would contributing this to wave be?
Doesn't wave do a superset of this functionality already? (albeit with
messier code)
Seems (possibly) more useful for Wave to contribute its (federation)
functionality to this or a fork of it. Then you would have a new
pseudo-wave that does much
n feel ambivalent about it :)
On 8 July 2014 16:11, 田传武 wrote:
> inline
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
>
> > Thats really cool work.
> > Seems to work slickly, and theres mobile library code already.
> >
> > Someone needs to make a ven d
Thats really cool work.
Seems to work slickly, and theres mobile library code already.
Someone needs to make a ven diagram of various communication techs and
their features. As I understand it this has the functionality of the wave
protocol except for the federation right?
Just a random thought,
ail: jblos...@gmail.com
> phone: 203.293.8511
> google+: google.com/+JohnBlossom
>
>
> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
>
> > If it is I'll be jumping for joy, but as far as I know its still pretty
> > tied together.
> > Compiling the server with
If it is I'll be jumping for joy, but as far as I know its still pretty
tied together.
Compiling the server without GWT is the easy bit, separating the existing
client from the sever code - or recreating enough to have your own client
seamlessly communicate I don't think is very easy. I don't even
ks like this group is concentrating on improving the protocols
> (server-server and client-server) to make it a platform,
> and letting Kune / Rizzoma etc folks and random contributors do the app
> part, which seems a good way to go.
>
>
>
> On 4 February 2014 12:53, Yuri Z wro
I think the "meta problem" was because Google focused on Wave too much as a
single app, rather then a protocol.
The failings of the single client thus brought the whole thing down.
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>
> -Joseph
>
> [*] Order *mostly* doesn't matter - you still have to maintain the
> partial order of dependancy relationships. If I create operation Z in
> a document which (locally) contains operations X and Y, Z must always
> follow
Excuse my ignorance in this, but can you briefly explain what "p2p" means
in this context.
I have only heard it used in the likes of torrent systems and such - the
idea of a pure client system with no servers. Peers finding eachother with
no server telling them who's where. A desktop wave applicat
>> > setting
> >> > up on WindowsXP)
> >> > To: wave
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Can you show how you did that? Thanks~
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Joseph Gentle
> >>
t;
> > >>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Ali Lown wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> The purpose of
> > >>>>
> > >>>> " > >>>>
> >
> value="-agentlib:jdwp=transport=dt_socket,server=y,suspend=
-sigh-
Sadly I was wrong. While the client/server are all functional, the GWT
Development mode isnt going anything. It loads the URL, but has no
communication whatsoever. The normal realtime updates doesn't work. Even
the most trivial client change makes no difference without a real compile.
In fac
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On 21 December 2013 19:04, Ali Lown wrote:
> So the movement from the wave-protocol repo to here was not audited?
calhost
> - code server: 192.168.178.54
>4. Go back to http://localhost:9898?gwt.codesvr=192.168.178.54:9997.
>Refresh it if you already have it opened.
>
> I didn't go further. Hope it work for you~
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Thomas Wrobel
&
;
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Thomas Wrobel
> wrote:
>
> > Still cant seem to get the GWT hosted mode working.
> >
> > I am 95% sure the server is fine. Running "ant run-server" and going to
> > localhost:9898 means I can see and use the webcl
ing at difference between the working "editor-hosted" and
"waveharness-hosted" configs, and this one.
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rating systems. Not sure if that'll help?
>
>
> Original Message
> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 16:21:22 +0100
> From: Thomas Wrobel
>
>
> On 16 December 2013 18:26, Yuri Z vega...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>Try to add the sta
in
> here since at that point I just switched my installer from invoking another
> tool, to using the HTTP API directly (see HttpSetServiceConfiguration in
> the httpapi.dll), which gives the required functionality between both
> operating systems. Not sure if that'll help?
&
t out from the svn over a
week ago.
Should I check out a new version? (from git?)
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On 17 December 2013 17:59, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> Thanks, I am trying &qu
Sorry for needing so much hand holding here, I'll try to pay it back in
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On 17 December 2013 19:54, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> I'd guess b
ere have been no commits
> over the last week).
>
> It looks like you haven't compiled the common code (which defines
> WaveContext).
>
> On 17 December 2013 18:39, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> > and...compile errors;
> >
> > [java] Compiling module org.wavepr
; >
> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Yuri Z wrote:
> >
> >> Can't see the screenshot
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Thomas Wrobel >wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 16 December 201
On 16 December 2013 18:26, Yuri Z wrote:
> Try to add the startupUrl like this:
>
> description="Runs the hosted mode server, for debugging the GWT
> client in a JVM.">
> classname="com.google.gwt.dev.DevMode">
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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On 15 December 2013 16:56, Ryan Hill wrote:
> Would something like jrebel be helpful?
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 8:45
ng the deploy jar.
>
> On 15 December 2013 15:31, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> > can you edit without recompiling with " compile-gwt-dev" ?
> > (that is, just be refreshing the browser you get the changes)
> >
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li Lown wrote:
> I can't help you with an eclipse-based workflow...
>
> I just compile-gwt-dev and re-deploy an my development machine.
>
> Ali
>
> On 15 December 2013 14:42, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> > Any chance of a pointer?
> > Still not getting the workflo
Any chance of a pointer?
Still not getting the workflow here.
Probably missing the obvious.
On 12 December 2013 13:12, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> ah, perhaps I spoke too soon. The normal GWT workflow doesn't seem to work.
>
> At least I made a really minor change to one of the messa
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> Yes, great! Seems to work!
> Cheers.
>
> If someone gives me the permissions to edit the wiki I'll edi
Yes, great! Seems to work!
Cheers.
If someone gives me the permissions to edit the wiki I'll edit/update it.
Meanwhile, I'll tinker about on my own for awhile now.
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On 12 December 2013 01:54, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> Ok, too
od. We didn't lose anything. I thought I had attached the
> screenshots of how to config Eclipse to run/debug Wave in a Box. But, I
> embedded them in the Google Doc instead. wave-dev-on-cinnamon - Google
> Drive<
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iGFLmAzi3SaEH0J6SNlaq6wubesRWlO2A8bvqxP
" The thing I'm most nervous about is client side work"
My hunch is, provided that there is a good client/server protocol standard,
documented. (and maybe with an example interface library in any language),
clients will spring up quick quickly.
Not sure you would get any fully featured wizz-bang w
Abstention here too - if the committers want it, go for it. As someone just
trying to get started, Apache or GitHub makes little difference too me.
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Just a random thing that might help wave in a small way;
StackOverflow still only has a tag for "Google-Wave". Surely this should be
changed? or someone with a high enough rank create a new tag? Just try to
help as much as possible greese the wheels for people finding wave related
technical info.
Lown wrote:
> Attachments are dropped by the list.
>
> Ali
> On 7 Dec 2013 22:28, "Frank R." wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Thomas Wrobel
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Fantastic work there.
> > > For the moment, I am going to co
google.com/document/d/1iGFLmAzi3SaEH0J6SNlaq6wubesRWlO2A8bvqxPp-p4/edit?usp=drive_web
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Frank R. wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
...seems to work though)
>
> Don't do that. I don't think it's a standard GWT project in the SDK point
> of view. That's why you got the two errors.
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
>
> > Note#:
> > *Imported as existing pr
e though...
>
> Ali
>
> On 5 December 2013 15:41, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> > "nsa-resistant*"
> >
> > Thats absolutely a good plus point in this day and age. Its wouldn't be
> > "proof" by decentralization but
> > certainly makes thin
"nsa-resistant*"
Thats absolutely a good plus point in this day and age. Its wouldn't be
"proof" by decentralization but
certainly makes things more resistant.
The idea of a federated protocol that lets people selectively share stuff
with others is going to be harder to spy on (on mass) then a nic
On 5 December 2013 12:57, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> oh, it already has Eclipse stuff. *smacks head* thought that had to be
> built separately first before it would be ready.
> Thanks.
>
> regarding compile times; I'll see how fast the GWT stuff compiles on its
> own, as mentioned e
> If you get the source code from https://github.com/apache/wave, I'd
> suggest to import Wave in a Box directly as an existing Eclipse project.
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
>
>> Is there a command for serve
hehe, fair enough ;)
I'll have another crack at getting it to work again tomorrow. Eclipse is
very much my preference for GWT stuff, but I am happy to learn other things
if thats off the table.
Its probably a small configuration thing though.
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On 5 December 2013 00:54, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> Is there a command for serverstuff+gwt-dev ? As I think that would be
> useful to recommend in the guide, rather then the full serverstuff+32
> permutations. (yet you do
.start(ProcessBuilder.java:452)
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> We do.
>
> 'Ant compile-gwt-dev' does exactly that.
> On 4 Dec
Thanks for the explanation/breakdown that's useful.
I'll still look into it, but it sounds like far too many to use a
dictionary. You'd end up with quite a mess.
Maybe just having a "development compile" without all the permutations
would be better for now. I'll have a think though if decent alter
On 4 December 2013 23:46, Vicente J. Ruiz Jurado wrote:
> El 04/12/13 23:31, Thomas Wrobel escribió:
> > How many strings we talking about here? I use dictionary all the time,
> but
> > never for more then a dozen parameters.
> > The downside I think is that the end user w
How many strings we talking about here? I use dictionary all the time, but
never for more then a dozen parameters.
The downside I think is that the end user will have to load all the
languages they arnt using - but unless we are talking about hundreds of
words here, that's likely insignificant. Plu
ight even feel ambivalent about it :)
On 4 December 2013 22:56, Ali Lown wrote:
> If you already have wiki access, then you should be able to edit it.
> If not, poke Michael Macfadden.
>
> On 4 December 2013 21:55, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> > ah...ok.
> > If someone could give
On 4 December 2013 22:40, Ali Lown wrote:
> The client console does not exist anymore.
> It was removed the code base (at least) two years ago.
>
> Ali
>
> On 4 December 2013 21:38, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> > Ok, just checking the output of the build.
> >
> > I h
.3.jar" now
"wave-in-a-box-export-import-0.4-incubating.jar" ?
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On 4 December 2013 21:50, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> Might be worth at some point
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Thomas Wrobel
> wrote:
>
> > 32??? There isnt 32 different browser engines is there :?
> > My own GWT projects, (using 2.5.1) use 7 at most. (and even that should
> go
> > down in newer versions as Opera phase's out Presto.)
AB supports 4 languages.
> > Anyway, it is very strange it took 4 hours, probably 2 GB is too little,
> > you ll need about 4 GB.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Thomas Wrobel
> wrote:
> >
> >> 32??? There isnt 32 different browser engine
32??? There isnt 32 different browser engines is there :?
My own GWT projects, (using 2.5.1) use 7 at most. (and even that should go
down in newer versions as Opera phase's out Presto.)
It wasn't GWT permutations taking the bulk of the time anyway, mind you -
it seemed to mostly be the testing an
alent about it :)
On 4 December 2013 20:24, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> "BUILD SUCCESSFUL
> Total time: 312 minutes 41 seconds"
>
> Ok, after giving Oracle my "totally real" address and "totally real" phone
> number I got JDK6 and now Ant is building just fin
to get started. ho hum.
~~~
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On 2 December 2013 23:25, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> bah...need to sign up to Oracle just to download JDK6 now? seriously >_<
> Thi
t about it :)
On 2 December 2013 22:10, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> ah...no...a fresh download of jdk7
> I'll downgrade.
>
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