Does it need to be OT aware on that scale? I thought that was only needed to have fully realtime blip updating rather then a "edit + submit" system. (whereupon the differences could be calculated separately from the editing) Is the intention then to still have realtime editing ? or is this needed anyway regardless?
I admit I only know the basics of OT and am vaguely remembering a conversation about realtime blip editing adding complexity to things. -- http://lostagain.nl <-- our company site. http://fanficmaker.com <-- our, really,really, bad story generator. On 15 March 2016 at 16:30, Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not really. You would need to make it OT aware. and then make it efficient. > Lot's of effort. > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 5:24 PM Thomas Wrobel <darkfl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> As a side, I noticed Michael MacFadden mentioned building a rich text >> editor in the browser, this much at least have been done in GWT >> libraries; >> >> http://www.gwtproject.org/javadoc/latest/com/google/gwt/user/client/ui/RichTextArea.html >> >> Its fairly basic, but then, I would assume to start with at least any >> new wave client should stay fairly basic? >> -- >> http://lostagain.nl <-- our company site. >> http://fanficmaker.com <-- our, really,really, bad story generator. >> >> >> On 15 March 2016 at 15:48, Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Yeah, we need to re-use the existing editor. Patches would be great! >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:46 PM Pablo Ojanguren <pablo...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I agree with the dependency hell issue and the suggestion for throwing >> >> away the GWT client. This would require a new client-server API as >> >> suggested, however I think a Rest API won't be enough, because real >> editing >> >> needs websocket. >> >> >> >> I also agree with Michael, developing a new editor is a massive task, so >> >> we should use an existing one and plug it in the new API. >> >> >> >> To write again the server in other language would be great, but I think >> it >> >> requires a huge effort. >> >> >> >> I will be happy to help in decoupling the server-client, I can provide >> the >> >> experience from my fork. And I plan to send some patches to Wave soon. >> >> >> >> >> >> These are some slides about my fork (swellrt) it could give you some >> ideas: >> >> >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1WFDS_m7eyNjBjcdPs0zH496Y9bMSl0_JnSEYGjxNFn0/edit?usp=sharing >> >> >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/18hMYyECo5EmQsrAb8DT6SkO7LksWVJnhdZmqeCsar4c/edit?usp=sharing >> >> >> >> btw, I would like to start a business providing these SwellRT services. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2016-03-14 23:27 GMT+01:00 Joseph Gentle <m...@josephg.com>: >> >> >> >>> I've been playing with the idea of starting a company around a rewrite >> of >> >>> wave for years. >> >>> >> >>> -J >> >>> >> >>> On Tuesday, 15 March 2016, Adam Bielski <a_biel...@ymail.com.invalid> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > Hiya all!I wish I could find out who is potentially interested in >> >>> creating >> >>> > the WAVE for a commercial service/productwith my seed startup!Cheers! >> >>> > Adam >> >>> > >> >>> > 20:23 poniedziałek, 2016-3-14, Zachary Yaro <zmy...@gmail.com >> >>> > <javascript:;>> napisał(a): >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > I am inclined to agree with Yuri—if the alternative implementation >> can >> >>> be >> >>> > developed in parallel around the same protocol, that would seem to be >> >>> the >> >>> > best scenario, but the existing codebase should be kept because it is >> >>> > (AFAIK) the most functional implementation of the protocol. >> >>> > >> >>> > Zachary Yaro >> >>> > On Mar 14, 2016 15:05, "Yuri Z" <vega...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > > I think that more "wavy" projects are nice, but IMO it doesn't >> mean we >> >>> > > should abandon Apache Wave as it is now. I agree there are a lot of >> >>> > issues >> >>> > > with current code, but I think there's still value as people can >> see >> >>> what >> >>> > > Wave can potentially be. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 8:46 AM Evan Hughes < >> wisebald...@apache.org >> >>> > <javascript:;>> >> >>> > > wrote: >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > The link for those who wish to join, Ill also add this link onto >> the >> >>> > new >> >>> > > > website. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > https://www.hipchat.com/gsModF8CY >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 at 12:12 Michael MacFadden < >> >>> > > > michael.macfad...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> >> >>> > > > wrote: >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Yeah. Chatting is fine and beneficial. We just need to make >> sure >> >>> we >> >>> > > > > capture key decisions and rationale back in the list for all to >> >>> see. >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > ~Michael >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > > On Mar 12, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Evan Hughes < >> >>> wisebald...@apache.org >> >>> > <javascript:;>> >> >>> > > > wrote: >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > It does not so as Ive seen other projects state this motto >> "If >> >>> its >> >>> > > not >> >>> > > > on >> >>> > > > > > the mailing list it didnt happen at all", but allows for non >> >>> formal >> >>> > > > talk >> >>> > > > > > and back and forth discussion realtime. The Monthly reports >> >>> that we >> >>> > > > > talked >> >>> > > > > > about back when we did the hangout session should probably be >> >>> > picked >> >>> > > up >> >>> > > > > > again, ill add it to the monthly todo's. >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 at 11:58 Michael MacFadden < >> >>> > > > > michael.macfad...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> >> >>> > > > > > wrote: >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> One follow up question though. Does hip hat store >> conversations >> >>> > in a >> >>> > > > > >> publicly accessible manner? If not, we need to make sure >> key >> >>> > > > decisions >> >>> > > > > >> that come out of chats are captured and discussed on the >> >>> mailing >> >>> > > list >> >>> > > > > for >> >>> > > > > >> all to see. >> >>> > > > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> ~Michael >> >>> > > > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Evan Hughes < >> >>> wisebald...@apache.org >> >>> > <javascript:;>> >> >>> > > > > wrote: >> >>> > > > > >>> >> >>> > > > > >>> I would get infra to make us a hipchat channel so we have >> some >> >>> > > place >> >>> > > > to >> >>> > > > > >>> talk casually web interface / irc, but seesm the jira's >> down. >> >>> > > Looking >> >>> > > > > to >> >>> > > > > >>> getting this rolling in some way or another by mid week. >> >>> > > > > >>> >> >>> > > > > >>> ~ Evan >> >>> > > > > >>> >> >>> > > > > >>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 at 19:48 Evan Hughes < >> >>> > wisebald...@apache.org <javascript:;>> >> >>> > > > > >> wrote: >> >>> > > > > >>>> >> >>> > > > > >>>> The client-server protocol would define a protobuf and >> json >> >>> rest >> >>> > > > > >> services >> >>> > > > > >>>> so any language that support protocol buffers would be >> able >> >>> to >> >>> > > make >> >>> > > > a >> >>> > > > > >>>> client or fallback to the json rest. >> >>> > > > > >>>> >> >>> > > > > >>>> >> >>> > > > > >>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 at 19:24 Andreas Kotes < >> >>> > > > > >> count-apache....@flatline.de <javascript:;>> >> >>> > > > > >>>> wrote: >> >>> > > > > >>>> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> FWIW, >> >>> > > > > >>>>> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> I also consider the idea pretty good and would want >> stronger >> >>> > > > > decoupling >> >>> > > > > >>>>> of server/client. I'd be interested in a python client >> >>> > > > > implementation, >> >>> > > > > >>>>> mostly for CLI and bot integration. >> >>> > > > > >>>>> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> Not sure whether doing a client-side C implementation of >> the >> >>> > > > > >>>>> communication protocol would be best here (so wrapper for >> >>> more >> >>> > > > > >> languages >> >>> > > > > >>>>> can follow), or whether native Python would be better. We >> >>> need >> >>> > > > > >> something >> >>> > > > > >>>>> for non-Java folks in any case, I think. >> >>> > > > > >>>>> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> Cheers, >> >>> > > > > >>>>> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> count >> >>> > > > > >>>>> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 10:52:34AM +1000, Evan Hughes >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> Thankyou all for your feedback and expressions of >> >>> interests, >> >>> > > seems >> >>> > > > > >> like >> >>> > > > > >>>>> we >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> may be able to develop some teams together to make this >> a >> >>> > faster >> >>> > > > > >> reality >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> than just I. Hopefully we can get some more people to >> >>> express >> >>> > > > > >> interests >> >>> > > > > >>>>> in >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> this way forward. >> >>> > > > > >>>>> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> -- >> >>> > > > > >>>>> Andreas 'count' Kotes >> >>> > > > > >>>>> Taming computers for humans since 1990. >> >>> > > > > >>>>> "Don't ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come >> >>> alive, >> >>> > > and >> >>> > > > > go >> >>> > > > > >> do >> >>> > > > > >>>>> it. >> >>> > > > > >>>>> Because what the world needs is people who have come >> >>> alive." -- >> >>> > > > > Howard >> >>> > > > > >>>>> Thurman >> >>> > > > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>
