Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Lennard
On 27-9-2010 8:14, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Not always - a recruitment office is open to interested public, for example. So are some military ranges, at certain hours/days. And even military ranges aren't barren (and barren would also be an indication of the type of land cover), as there will

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II : > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features%2FIce_cream&action=historysubmit&diff=532984&oldid=531944 > This doesn't seem quite right. Care to expand a bit? Regards, Simone ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:26:27 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features%2FIce_cream&action=historysubmit&diff=532984&oldid=531944 > This doesn't seem quite right. 27-18 + 1 abstain, seems an "approved" to me. Controversial, yes, but approved

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - social club

2010-09-27 Thread SomeoneElse
On 27/09/2010 01:55, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:36 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: Not amenity=social_club? That seems to be in more widespread use... Why would we use amenity when we have a more specific key (leisure) that fits perfectly? Your're free to tag things how you

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - social club

2010-09-27 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 27/09/2010 02:55, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:36 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: On 26/09/2010 23:35, vclaw wrote: I have created a proposal for mapping social clubs, by tagging as leisure=social_club. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/social

[Tagging] New tag value: shop=wedding

2010-09-27 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
Hello all: I've created a proposal (or pre-proposal) in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:shop#shop.3Dwedding to tag these kinds of bussiness. I would like to get comments to it in order to have it approved (or denied) in a near future Thanks Noel er Envite

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:48 AM, David Paleino wrote: > On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:26:27 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features%2FIce_cream&action=historysubmit&diff=532984&oldid=531944 >> This doesn't seem quite right. > > 27-18 + 1 absta

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:10 AM, Lennard wrote: > On 27-9-2010 8:14, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >> Not always - a recruitment office is open to interested public, for >> example. > > So are some military ranges, at certain hours/days. > > And even military ranges aren't barren (and barren would als

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Lennard
On 27-9-2010 10:16, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Landuse should be covered by land cover (and buildings) where said cover exists. For example a landuse=retail area may be over half amenity=parking areas. And yet we call forests/heath/grass/etc land *use* instead of land *cover*. It feels like we'r

[Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 04:14:19 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:48 AM, David Paleino > wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:26:27 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features%2FIce_cream&action=historysubmit&diff=53

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:49 AM, David Paleino wrote: > How would you call then shop=ice_cream, sneaked in the wiki without any > discussion or voting or anything else? Another bad tag. > On a related note: me and some other people on #osm-it were thinking about > re-organizing the "food" taggin

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Lennard wrote: > On 27-9-2010 10:16, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >> Landuse should be covered by land cover (and buildings) where said >> cover exists. For example a landuse=retail area may be over half >> amenity=parking areas. > > And yet we call forests/heath/gras

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 05:11:08 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:49 AM, David Paleino > wrote: > > On a related note: me and some other people on #osm-it were thinking about > > re-organizing the "food" tagging (take "food" as an example in the > > following). Something lik

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 David Paleino : > I'd say +1 to retail=food and food=cafe|restaurant|... though. -1, I wouldn't tag restaurants, cafes and others as retail. I am not opposing food=cafe / restaurant, etc., this would also be compatible with the current amenity-tag, but I don't see a big benefit (we alre

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:05 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/27 David Paleino : >> I'd say +1 to retail=food and food=cafe|restaurant|... though. > > -1, I wouldn't tag restaurants, cafes and others as retail. Why not? They're places where you buy things. > In German I would use "Gastrono

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:15:50 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:05 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > > In German I would use "Gastronomie" as main tag for those, but I'm not > > sure if "gastronomy" would be the exact translation in English for > > this. My dictionary suggests "cat

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Mike N.
(By the way, nobody seems to have brought up the existence of frozen yogurt places and whether these fit into the new tag.) Or "Smoothie" / "Fruit Smoothie" -only places. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoothie ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openst

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 9/27/10, David Paleino wrote: > On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 04:14:19 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: [...] >> Almost every one of those approves is by someone living in Italy, >> which suggests discussion on the Italian mailing list or other >> discussion among a small group in an echo chamber. There w

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:23 PM, David Paleino wrote: Why changing an old and widely used "amenity=restaurant"+"cuisine" ? As it was mentionned many times in the past, discussing new keys is easy when it's about new features (e.g. craft). But changing old and well established tags is generating

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 9/27/10, Pieren wrote: > Why changing an old and widely used "amenity=restaurant"+"cuisine" ? [...] > This can be accepted only if it's to clear ambiguities or add > a real value but that's not the case here. mostly because the current system does not scale, with food+drinks places being an ar

[Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
recently there was introduced some weird stuff in bridge: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge bridge=yes bridge=aqueduct bridge=viaduct bridge=swing bridge=abandoned bridge=... I'm fine with yes, but also aqueduct, viaduct, swing may be OK, indicating all a speci

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
I already proceeded and removed "abandoned" cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:50 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > recently there was introduced some weird stuff in bridge: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge > >bridge=yes >bridge=aqueduct >bridge=viaduct >bridge=swing >bridge=abandoned >bridge=... > > I'm fine wi

[Tagging] Give Way and Stop in two-way street

2010-09-27 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
Hello all: There are some streets which, being two-way, one way has a Stop or Give Way and the other has not. How to tag them? My proposal is splitting the street in two highways with same name, same tags, etc, each one being one-way and exactly the same nodes, with one of them having an extra

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II : > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:48 AM, David Paleino wrote: >> On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:26:27 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features%2FIce_cream&action=historysubmit&diff=532984&oldid=531944 >>> This doesn't seem

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II : > > This is the same as railways: you can have railway=tram or > railway=abandoned, so how do you tag an abandoned tramway? I agree that this is the same problem. It isn't a good reason to keep bridge=abandoned IMHO. You could workaround with railway=abandoned, abando

Re: [Tagging] Give Way and Stop in two-way street

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño : > Hello all: > > There are some streets which, being two-way, one way has a Stop or Give Way > and the other has not. How to tag them? If we consider the verse of the way, then probably a :forward vs. :backward specification would work. For example, if a way runs

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 27/09/2010 10:19, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Lennard wrote: On 27-9-2010 10:16, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Landuse should be covered by land cover (and buildings) where said cover exists. For example a landuse=retail area may be over half amenity=parking areas.

Re: [Tagging] Give Way and Stop in two-way street

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño : > Hello all: > > There are some streets which, being two-way, one way has a Stop or Give Way > and the other has not. How to tag them? tag the signs at their position (i.e. in countries driving on the right, put a node right of the way and tag it with traffic_si

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 27/09/2010 13:51, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I agree that this is the same problem. It isn't a good reason to keep bridge=abandoned IMHO. You could workaround with railway=abandoned, abandoned=tram, but for bridge the wiki states: bridge= and "abandoned" is clearly not part of a typology vo

Re: [Tagging] Give Way and Stop in two-way street

2010-09-27 Thread Colin Smale
> Hello all: > > There are some streets which, being two-way, one way has a Stop or Give > Way > and the other has not. How to tag them? > > My proposal is splitting the street in two highways with same name, same > tags, > etc, each one being one-way and exactly the same nodes, with one of them >

Re: [Tagging] Give Way and Stop in two-way street

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: > Hello all: > > There are some streets which, being two-way, one way has a Stop or Give Way > and the other has not. How to tag them? > > My proposal is splitting the street in two highways with same name, same tags, > etc, each one b

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Dave F. : >  On 27/09/2010 13:51, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> I agree that this is the same problem. It isn't a good reason to keep >> bridge=abandoned IMHO. You could workaround with railway=abandoned, >> abandoned=tram, but for bridge the wiki states: bridge=  and >> "abandoned" is

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Dave F. wrote: > On 27/09/2010 10:19, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> But what I'm mostly concerned with is having a limited number of >> "top-level" landuse values. For example a large residential >> neighborhood can be tagged landuse=residential, but there's no simil

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
I've used landuse in a slightly different way from what you say. After discussion on the talk-it ML, we agreed that single shops in a mainly residential block would be added as POIs, but not mapped as landuse=retail. However, if the shop was a separate building, then the landuse there would be ret

Re: [Tagging] Give Way and Stop in two-way street

2010-09-27 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Lunes 27 Septiembre 2010 14:01:58 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer escribió: > 2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño : > > Hello all: > > > > There are some streets which, being two-way, one way has a Stop or Give > > Way and the other has not. How to tag them? > > tag the signs at their position (i.e. in count

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread john
I would guess that a "tourist strip" would refer to a group of businesses that cater mainly to tourists, such as souvenir shops, rather than catering to local residents. Since the two are sometimes intermingled, my preference would be to use an area tag such as retail_area, and then map the ind

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > Also, in my mapping I've accounted for a possible future landuse=road. > Therefore, any landuse area is smaller than or equal to a block. Also, > as a consequence of this, parkings would be part of the landuse=road, > and not to be included

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM, wrote: > I would guess that a "tourist strip" would refer to a group of businesses > that cater mainly to tourists, such as souvenir shops, rather than catering > to local residents. Since the two are sometimes intermingled, my preference > would be to use an

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Luca Brivio
In data lunedì 27 settembre 2010 10:14:19, Nathan Edgars II ha scritto: > And now we have a tag that replaces all ice cream places, thus > providing less information than the former amenity=cafe/fast_food/etc. > cuisine=ice_cream. How is this a good thing? Ice cream (and related products such as g

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread john
One issue with tagging a commercial parking lot as landuse=road is that it is generally legal to use a road as a through route, whereas you can be issued a traffic ticket for simply cutting across a parking lot without stopping. Admittedly, this isn't always enforced. In my experience, this te

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Luca Brivio wrote: > In data lunedì 27 settembre 2010 10:14:19, Nathan Edgars II ha scritto: >> And now we have a tag that replaces all ice cream places, thus >> providing less information than the former amenity=cafe/fast_food/etc. >> cuisine=ice_cream. How is thi

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Fast food is simply a style of serving: you go up to the counter and > order. It has nothing to do with the cuisine. > The Italians probably don't like to think of ice-cream as fast food, because that has connotations of high sugar/fat con

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 : > One issue with tagging a commercial parking lot as landuse=road is that it is > generally legal to use a road as a through route, whereas you can be issued a > traffic ticket for simply cutting across a parking lot without stopping.   > Admittedly, this isn't always enforced.  In m

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/25 Sean Horgan : > For some reason, kerosin hasn't been able to post to the mailing list so I'm > sending this out. > We received great input over email and on the talk page for the social > facility proposal so we decided to open it for voting: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread john
So, in Italy, the owner of a private parking lot is not allowed to say that his parking lot can't be used as a public street? It is common in the USA to see signs at parking-lot entrances saying "no through traffic". ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse >From

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II : > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Luca Brivio wrote: >> In data lunedì 27 settembre 2010 10:14:19, Nathan Edgars II ha scritto: >>> And now we have a tag that replaces all ice cream places, thus >>> providing less information than the former amenity=cafe/fast_food/etc

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Luca Brivio
In data lunedì 27 settembre 2010 16:00:04, Richard Mann ha scritto: > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > Fast food is simply a style of serving: you go up to the counter and > > order. It has nothing to do with the cuisine. > > The Italians probably don't like to think

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Alessandro Rubini
Simone Saviolo: > Fast food, in non-English-speaking countries, in associated with > hamburgers, [...] Yes, although it's a cultural interpretation (that I share, FWIW). Actually saying kebab is fast-food is not that wrong, even if it sounds strange to me and others. But the main point of fast-fo

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
What about abandoned=yes ? Noel er Envite ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread Mike N.
Why changing an old and widely used "amenity=restaurant"+"cuisine" ? +1 Although I agree that the current amenity=restaurant, fast_food...etc. is a bit awkward, it is nearly unthinkable that it should be changed because of the number of people who are already using and rendering the data.

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Alessandro Rubini wrote: > But the main point of fast-food is fast-meal, and actually people have > lunch in a fast food. But you don't go to a coffee or gelateria to > have lunch, that's the main reason why ice cream places don't qualify > as fast-food. Dunkin'

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 : > So, in Italy, the owner of a private parking lot is not allowed to say that > his parking lot can't be used as a public street?  It is common in the USA to > see signs at parking-lot entrances saying "no through traffic". I wouldn't say he's not allowed. AFAIK (and Google seems to

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Lennard
On 27-9-2010 16:25, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: What about abandoned=yes ? And expect every data consumer to have to parse that in addition to whatever bridge=* value you leave on the data. What's not there anymore is just that: not there anymore. It doesn't deserve a bridge=* tag. That's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - social club

2010-09-27 Thread vclaw
On 27/09/2010 01:36, SomeoneElse wrote: On 26/09/2010 23:35, vclaw wrote: I have created a proposal for mapping social clubs, by tagging as leisure=social_club. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/social_club Not amenity=social_club? That seems to be in more widespread

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread john
Well, you presumably would have an intermediate step in which the railway is no longer being used for train traffic, but the rails and crossties (also known as sleepers) have not yet been taken up, so it isn't suitable yet for use as a cycleway. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Taggin

Re: [Tagging] New tag value: shop=wedding

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño : > Hello all: > > I've created a proposal (or pre-proposal) in > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:shop#shop.3Dwedding > to tag these kinds of bussiness. > > I would like to get comments to it in order to have it approved (or denied) in > a near future

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Elena of Valhalla : > There was indeed some discussion on the italian mailing list, where > they felt the need to distinguish between italian style "gelateria" > and other kinds of ice cream sellers and not only... > this would give a space for regional variants such as > food+drink=b

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:19:58 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/27 Elena of Valhalla > : > > of course, we still have the problem with the tag name, since > > "food+drink" doesn't look quite right > > if is probably not "good English", but I think it's quite appealing: > it is easily unde

[Tagging] SchemaTroll 2.01 - update with osmarender and Map Features Wiki

2010-09-27 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi all, Cool 10 downloads from my last update :) I have now added in the Osmarender map features that are listed in the 'osmarender_standard' file, its neet to see what map features that this rendering uses. .. and i see that some features were added in that arn't on the wiki :) lol. But what's

Re: [Tagging] New tag value: shop=wedding

2010-09-27 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Lunes 27 Septiembre 2010 16:09:45 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer escribió: > 2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño : > > Hello all: > > > > I've created a proposal (or pre-proposal) in > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:shop#shop.3Dwedding > > to tag these kinds of bussiness. > > > > I would like

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 27/09/2010 15:39, Lennard wrote: On 27-9-2010 16:25, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: What about abandoned=yes ? And expect every data consumer to have to parse that in addition to whatever bridge=* value you leave on the data. What's not there anymore is just that: not there anymore. It do

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 05:19:58PM +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/27 Elena of Valhalla : > > this would give a space for regional variants such as > > food+drink=biergarten|gelateria|whatever_else, preventing the creation > > of additional amenities whose usage makes little sense out of

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Lennard : > On 27-9-2010 16:25, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: >> >> What about abandoned=yes ? > > And expect every data consumer to have to parse that in addition to whatever > bridge=* value you leave on the data. What's not there anymore is just that: > not there anymore. It doesn't de

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 27/09/2010 17:10, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/27 Lennard: On 27-9-2010 16:25, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: What about abandoned=yes ? And expect every data consumer to have to parse that in addition to whatever bridge=* value you leave on the data. What's not there anymore is just t

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Lennard
On 27-9-2010 16:57, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Well, you presumably would have an intermediate step in which the railway is no longer being used for train traffic, but the rails and crossties (also known as sleepers) have not yet been taken up, so it isn't suitable yet for use as a cycleway.

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Lennard
On 27-9-2010 17:48, Dave F. wrote: Many railways in the UK, following Doctor Beeching's cuts, were abandoned, but much infrastructure, such as bridges, remain, & are unused. If there's a usable bridge, it's bridge=yes. If there's no usable bridge, it's ruins=bridge or not even that. is leg

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II : > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:05 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> 2010/9/27 David Paleino : >>> I'd say +1 to retail=food and food=cafe|restaurant|... though. >> >> -1, I wouldn't tag restaurants, cafes and others as retail. > Why not? They're places where you buy thi

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Richard Mann : > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> Fast food is simply a style of serving: you go up to the counter and >> order. It has nothing to do with the cuisine. >> > The Italians probably don't like to think of ice-cream as fast food, > because that has

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 27/09/2010 17:37, Lennard wrote: And when I cycle such a thing and want to map it, it's: highway=cycleway And I'm done. How am I to know there used to be rails infrastructure there, years (and years) ago? If you know - tag it; if not - don't. It's not vital, but could be useful. But I

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II : > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Alessandro Rubini > wrote: >> But the main point of fast-food is fast-meal, and actually people have >> lunch in a fast food.  But you don't go to a coffee or gelateria to >> have lunch, that's the main reason why ice cream places do

[Tagging] [OT] Re: Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:08:56 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > [..] > a restaurant produces the food (prepares it from raw or semi-worked > material). Then it's clearly craft=restaurant! :-D "[..] A place producing or processing customized goods. [..] craft=* for small production on demand an

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II : > It seems to me that landuse is a mess. +1 > landuse=agricultural would include values like farm and vineyard does this include farmyards, or would they be residential or industrial? What if they also sell to end customers? > landuse=institutional would include

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Dave F. : >> http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/6058662 > That's clearly not a bridge & I wouldn't even bother tagging it. well, it once was a bridge. I wouldn't tag it as bridge either. > Where as clearly this is even though no traffic passes over it: > http://www.publow-with-p

Re: [Tagging] New tag value: shop=wedding

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño : > I expressely said in the proposal at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:shop that it is not for clothings, yes, I understood this, but it was not what I expected. And many other people might not read the definition prior to using a tag if they have

Re: [Tagging] New tag value: shop=wedding

2010-09-27 Thread john
Shop=wedding is ambiguous. Going by the tag name alone it could be a shop selling wedding supplies (decorative materials used for weddings), a shop selling wedding gowns, or even a bakery specializing in wedding cakes, or any combination of the above. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re:

Re: [Tagging] [OT] Re: Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 David Paleino : > On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:08:56 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> a restaurant produces the food (prepares it from raw or semi-worked >> material). > Then it's clearly craft=restaurant! :-D that's not the worst interpretation IMHO. It is much more craft then retail. c

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Yet there are still two uses of landuse: how people use a parcel of > land (or larger area) vs. how a portion of that area is covered. One problem, the solution to which doesn't really lend itself to collaborative editing, is what level t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 kerosin : > Hey Martin, > > I would tag this as with amenity=community_centre! Our aim with that > "social_facility"-proposal is to capture facilities for people with > disadvantages or people in needs. The amenity you're describing is more > general and responsive to everyone. yes, I a

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
On 09/27/2010 12:17 PM, Dave F. wrote: > On 27/09/2010 17:37, Lennard wrote: >> And when I cycle such a thing and want to map it, it's: >> >> highway=cycleway >> >> And I'm done. How am I to know there used to be rails infrastructure >> there, years (and years) ago? > > If you know - tag it; if no

[Tagging] community centres

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
I happened to stumble over http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcommunity_centre The definition restricts usage with this sentence "The Community Centre is owned and provided by the local government." The linked wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_centre doesn't fo

Re: [Tagging] community centres

2010-09-27 Thread john
Your proposed changes make sense to me. ---Original Email--- Subject :[Tagging] community centres >From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Mon Sep 27 16:02:20 America/Chicago 2010 I happened to stumble over http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcommunity_centre The definit

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Liz
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:39:53 +0200 Lennard wrote: > That's one thing I've never really understood with railway=abandoned > either. Sure, many of them have been converted into might fine > cycleways, but that's just what they are now: cycleways. You can abandon a railway and still have a someth

[Tagging] shop=wedding_office [Was: New tag value: shop=wedding]

2010-09-27 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Lunes 27 Septiembre 2010 19:13:32 j...@jfeldredge.com escribió: > Shop=wedding is ambiguous. Going by the tag name alone it could be a shop > selling wedding supplies (decorative materials used for weddings), a shop > selling wedding gowns, or even a bakery specializing in wedding cakes, or > a

Re: [Tagging] community centres

2010-09-27 Thread Sean Horgan
agreed. there should be no restriction on who owns/provides the service. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 14:04, wrote: > Your proposed changes make sense to me. > > ---Original Email--- > Subject :[Tagging] community centres > From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com > Date :Mon Sep 27 16:02:20 Am

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-27 Thread Colin Smale
I am making a simple proposal of "roundabout=priority_to_right" to indicate a specific non-standard priority arrangement on some roundabouts occurring in some parts of mainland Europe. Please see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Roundabout_Priority Comments and suggestion

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/27/10 1:08 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: because not everyone to whom you give money to get something can be considered a retailer. Wikipedia states:"In commerce, a "retailer" buys goods or products in large quantities from manufacturers or importers, either directly or through a wholesale

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:36:18 +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > I am making a simple proposal of "roundabout=priority_to_right" to > indicate a specific non-standard priority arrangement on some > roundabouts occurring in some parts of mainland Europe. Shouldn't this be better done with a proper rig

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-27 Thread Sean Horgan
Thanks for the comments Martin, response below: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 13:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/27 kerosin : > > Hey Martin, > > > > I would tag this as with amenity=community_centre! Our aim with that > > "social_facility"-proposal is to capture facilities for people with > >

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/27/10 5:01 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: You might well have the remains of an old railway, such as an embankment, that was still present and useful as a landmark, but had not been turned into a cycleway. one reason to keep the abandoned railways in place is that in fact they are still freq

Re: [Tagging] New tag value: shop=wedding

2010-09-27 Thread Sean Horgan
I prefer wedding_services over wedding_office, as my first thought with office was one of those Vegas drive-thrus. Either one will still cause some confusion though. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:05, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño : > > I expressely said in the propos

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 Colin Smale : >  I am making a simple proposal of "roundabout=priority_to_right" to indicate > a specific non-standard priority arrangement on some roundabouts occurring > in some parts of mainland Europe. > > Please see: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Roundabout_P

Re: [Tagging] community centres

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
YMCA is probably a good example of a private "community centre". ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 27/09/2010 22:01, John F. Eldredge wrote: On 09/27/2010 12:17 PM, Dave F. wrote: On 27/09/2010 17:37, Lennard wrote: And when I cycle such a thing and want to map it, it's: highway=cycleway And I'm done. How am I to know there used to be rails infrastructure there, years (and years) ago

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan : > I took a stab at a definition and updated the wiki; let me know what you > think "A social facility is any place that focuses on improving the lives of others." that's very generic, while it is true it might still not be very helpful for a mapper who looks for a certain t

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dave F. wrote: > But only add what is actually visibly there now. Not what was there fifty > years ago. What was there 50 years ago is useful, and removing it would be vandalism. You can argue about whether Mapnik should show it, but don't remove it.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

2010-09-27 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 02:10:20 +0200 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > really? You would tag a place where heroine-addicts go to consume > their drugs "healthcare"? > > > social_facility:for=drug_addicted Caffeine addicts have amenity=cafe ___ Tagging mai

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Nathan Edgars II : > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dave F. wrote: >> But only add what is actually visibly there now. Not what was there fifty >> years ago. > > What was there 50 years ago is useful, and removing it would be > vandalism. You can argue about whether Mapnik should show

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:23 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/28 Nathan Edgars II : >> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dave F. wrote: >>> But only add what is actually visibly there now. Not what was there fifty >>> years ago. >> >> What was there 50 years ago is useful, and removing it w

Re: [Tagging] inconsistencies in bridge

2010-09-27 Thread Dave F.
On 28/09/2010 01:11, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dave F. wrote: But only add what is actually visibly there now. Not what was there fifty years ago. What was there 50 years ago is useful, I agree and removing it would be vandalism. I disagree. How can it b

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