Thanks for the comments Martin, response below:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 13:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
<dieterdre...@gmail.com>wrote:
> 2010/9/27 kerosin <kerosin....@googlemail.com>:
> > Hey Martin,
> >
> > I would tag this as with amenity=community_centre! Our aim with that
> > "social_facility"-proposal is to capture facilities for people with
> > disadvantages or people in needs. The amenity you're describing is more
> > general and responsive to everyone.
>
>
> yes, I agree, I was a little bit confused because I know that some of
> the "centri sociali" are tagges as social=centre, and I read some
> discussion for this proposal that wanted to incorporate these, but
> reading your proposal I recognized that the idea behind it was
> different.
>
> > Your're right maybe we should add a definition to clarify our approach!
>
>
> yes, more then clarify it will be easier to get at a glimpse what it
> is about. Generally your proposal is already good and OSM needs this.
> I would add a headline2 ("definition" or something similar) above
> reasoning and put the following sentence there: "Social facilities
> come in many different types and generally focus on improving the
> lives of people. (For the details see below)." Or something similar. I
> took your sentence and deleted the "through a variety of holistic and
> focused services" part, because either they are focused or not, either
> they are holistic or not (they might all pretend to be, not sure), it
> doesn't really matter for the definition.
>
I took a stab at a definition and updated the wiki; let me know what you
think.
>
> Some other amendments that come to my mind:
> social_facility=assisted_living "A non-residential facility that
> supports the living needs of those who can't fully support themselves
> (comprising ambulantory services). e.g. home nurses". I know of
> assisted_living as residential facility. Usually it is for the
> "richer" part of the population, because it is more expensive than a
> nursery home to live there. Often the residents are the proprietors of
> the appartments and pay for the nurse/medical service.
>
We tried to cover residential facilities that support the elderly under
"group home". One of the tag examples in that section of the wiki is for
"Retirement Home". Does this cover the need? Or is your point that
"assisted living" is a confusing term?
> In some countries (first one worldwide 1986 in Berne, CH; in
> Northamerica 2003 in Vancouver "safe injection site") there are
> facilities for drug addicts where they can go and take their drugs
> without beeing disturbed. Would that qualify for this tag?
>
I would say yes. I would tag with
social_facility=healthcare
social_facility:for=drug_addicted
and maybe add in the description the details about non-disturbed drug use.
>
> I also know of a restaurant where a lot of the employees suffer from
> down syndrome, but the restaurant is open to the public, you won't
> necessarily consider this a "social_facility" still it is.
>
If the owners of the restaurant have a goal to employ anyone with
disabilities, then I would say that it is a social facility in addition to
being a restaurant. You could add the following tags to the POI:
social_facility=workshop
social_facility:for=disabled
>
> There should IMHO also be a subtag social_facility=counsel (?) for
> places that give advice and support (with a subtag for which kind of
> advice you get), e.g. family planning, people who live in a rented
> place, drug addicts, people with debts, psycologic advice, etc.
>
I like that idea. I'm split though as I think we could broaden the
definition of the "outreach" type, which is currently:
A non-residential facility that provides social welfare services such as
advocacy, job placement, veterans services, housing placement, wellness
programs, daycare, leisure activities. e.g. outreach for veterans
However, counseling may be different enough of a service to warrant another
tag. I could go either way on this.
Sean
>
> cheers,
> Martin
>
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