Re: [SAtalk] Install Problems

2002-03-04 Thread Gunter Ohrner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Monday, 4. March 2002 01:36 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > [root@xxx Mail-SpamAssassin-2.1]# ls > ChangesREADME contrib ninjabutton.png spamd tools > MANIFEST.SKIP TODOfixpath.pl qmailspamproxy > Makefile bl

Re: [SAtalk] Unable to find Razor::Client?

2002-03-04 Thread Gunter Ohrner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Monday, 4. March 2002 05:56 schrieb Donovan Lange: > I recently installed both SpamAssassin and Vipul's Razor. While they each > work independently, spamassassin apparently has "issues" loading the > razor_check. In particular, I get the error me

[SAtalk] Improvements to LINE_OF_YELLING

2002-03-04 Thread Matthew Cline
Here's my attempt at improving the LINE_OF_YELLING rule. First I changed it from a rawbody rule to a body rule. I'm not sure why it was a rawbody rule in the first place, since that would have HTML markup, non-decoded text, and such. Then I chaned it from a regular expression to an eval test

Re: [SAtalk] A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD

2002-03-04 Thread Matthew Cline
I don't know if anyone's suggested this yet, but a "optional" sub-dir could be added to the rules directory, to which a something like "20_US_centric.cf" could be put; SUBJ_FULL_OF_8BITS, ROUND_THE_WORLD and so on could be put in it. Put a prominent note of the optional directory in the README

RE: [SAtalk] A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD

2002-03-04 Thread Michael Moncur
> I don't know if anyone's suggested this yet, but a "optional" sub-dir could > be added to the rules directory, to which a something like > "20_US_centric.cf" > could be put; SUBJ_FULL_OF_8BITS, ROUND_THE_WORLD and so on could be put in > it. Put a prominent note of the optional directory in the

[SAtalk] Re: 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Shane Williams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Craig R Hughes wrote: > I just pushed out the new scores (and a bugfix or two) as 2.11 I know we beat the version numbering horse nearly to death a while back, but shouldn't this either be 2.1.1 or 2.2 not 2.11 (which I pronounce as two-poi

RE: [SAtalk] check_for_spam_reply_to() questions

2002-03-04 Thread Tony Hoyle
> -Original Message- > From: Matthew Cline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 04 March 2002 06:37 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [SAtalk] check_for_spam_reply_to() questions > > > I'm guessing that there's places that either have different > TLDs in their > Reply-To (sent from "foo

Re: [SAtalk] Re: 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Shane Williams wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Craig R Hughes wrote: > > > I just pushed out the new scores (and a bugfix or two) as 2.11 > > I know we beat the version numbering horse nearly to death a while > back, but shouldn't this eithe

[SAtalk] How to use check_whitelist?

2002-03-04 Thread Tony Hoyle
My version of libdb seems to be creating different files. My whitelist directory (in /var/spool/spamassassin) has two files, one a .dir and the other a .pag. I have deleted them, re-installed SA and they come back. check_whitelist however expects a single .db file... How do I either (a) make SA

RE: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Seth H. Bokelman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Personally, I love the PGP signature bonus, and I think that should stay relatively high. I've never seen a piece of Spam with a PGP signature, and I use them quite a bit myself, as do many other IT folks. I don't think that Spammers are going to go

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 09:11:23AM -0600, Seth H. Bokelman wrote: > folks. I don't think that Spammers are going to go through all the > trouble of obtaining a PGP key and signing their messages just to > slip one past SpamAssassin. Playing devil's advocate, all the spammers have to do is add th

[SAtalk] Odd behavior in 2.11

2002-03-04 Thread Theo Van Dinter
I just upgraded my machine to 2.11 from 2.01, and sent a test message to make sure it was still working. I thought the results here were strange: I was missing the Subject header (so MISSING_HEADERS is fine), but I also got SUBJ_ALL_CAPS... 20_head_tests.cf:header SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject

Re: [SAtalk] Rule idea: "real name" == local part

2002-03-04 Thread Greg Ward
On 01 March 2002, Nels Lindquist said: > One caveat. > > E-mail of the form [ "Your Name" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] is legal. > > E-mail of the form [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Your Name) ] is also legal. > > Not knowing much about regexp, I'm not sure if your proposed > expression handles the second cas

[SAtalk] User code

2002-03-04 Thread Rob McMillin
I'm wondering if it might not be possible to add a user module containing Perl code. Currently, there's a user config which is fine, but IMHO more flexibility would be a Good Thing. -- http://www.pricegrabber.com | Dog is my co-pilot.

Re: [SAtalk] Idea: ignore self for auto-whitelist and identifcal to/from

2002-03-04 Thread Greg Ward
On 01 March 2002, Matthew Cline said: > Even if this is a good idea (is it?), I don't know how to go about getting > the user's email adress. If it's the user who's invoking SA, there might be > some way to get the info from the environment, but I want to do it in a > platform independant mann

Re: [SAtalk] How to use check_whitelist?

2002-03-04 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Tony Hoyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My version of libdb seems to be creating different files. My > whitelist directory (in /var/spool/spamassassin) has two files, one > a .dir and the other a .pag. I have deleted them, re-installed SA > and they come back. check_whitelist however expects

Re: [SAtalk] Wierd Spam Message

2002-03-04 Thread Greg Ward
On 02 March 2002, Mike Loiterman said: > Just received a strange email message: > From: "delbert" > To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > Subject: " Did you pray for this?15693" > > It is an html message with no clear indication of how it arrived in > my mailbox as I have no mail account [E

[SAtalk] Forward to Razor

2002-03-04 Thread Mike Loiterman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sorry about the multiple postings about this topic, but my boss is really after me to get this working. I'm trying to set up a local mail account that I can forward messages to so that they will be reported to the Razor database. Someone suggested

Re: [SAtalk] Rule idea: "real name" == local part

2002-03-04 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Greg Ward wrote: > On 01 March 2002, Nels Lindquist said: > > One caveat. > > > > E-mail of the form [ "Your Name" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] is legal. > > > > E-mail of the form [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Your Name) ] is also legal. > > > > Not knowing much about regexp, I'm not sure if

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
Not necessarily in more nonspam than spam, but in a significant amount of nonspam. Raising the scores on these (and I tried with each) will severely increase the rate of false positives. C On Sun, 2002-03-03 at 18:22, Matthew Cline wrote: > On Sunday 03 March 2002 05:58 pm, Craig R Hughes wrote

Re: [SAtalk] A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD]

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
On Sun, 2002-03-03 at 18:36, Lars Hansson wrote: > Isnt this exactly what the RBL's are for anyway? Catch the servers that actually > ARE open relays as opposed to catching those that, well, might be depending > on where you are. The trouble with the RBLs is that they're reactive. This is proac

Re: [SAtalk] A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD]

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
On Sun, 2002-03-03 at 20:39, Lars Hansson wrote: > addressspace is only used in China. And no, restructuring the network with > other IP's is not an option. Aw, come on, how hard can it be ;) C ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [SAtalk] Unable to find Razor::Client?

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
Razor 1.20 seems to be broken. Apparently Vipul is in India for a while (is he back yet? I'm not on the razor list), so the current solution is to downgrade razor to 1.19 then everything works fine. C On Sun, 2002-03-03 at 20:56, Donovan Lange wrote: > First of all, I'd like to thank you guys

RE: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
On Sun, 2002-03-03 at 21:16, Michael Moncur wrote: > NEGATIVE SCORES that weren't indended to be: > (probably by now most of these are just bad rules and should be set to zero) Setting these to 0 without introducing new nonspam-identifying rules to replace them will greatly (very greatly) increas

Re: [SAtalk] Having trouble getting people out of my auto-whitelist

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
I would strongly recommend against doing it this way -- it will certainly break when the whitelist DB format changes. I would instead recommend useing the SA classes and invoking DBBasedAddrList->remove_entry() -- that method will continue to work even if the storage format changes. C On Sun, 2

Re: [SAtalk] check_for_spam_reply_to() questions

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
Trouble is, I frequently "send from" @hughes-family.org, which if you reverse map the IP is somewhere in *.dsl.mindspring.net, and my reply to is set to @stanfordalumni.org -- and then sometimes I have replyto hughes-family and from "kingbrown.com" where I sometimes work. Or from "yahoo.com" if I

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread dman
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 10:22:05AM -0500, Theo Van Dinter wrote: | On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 09:11:23AM -0600, Seth H. Bokelman wrote: | > folks. I don't think that Spammers are going to go through all the | > trouble of obtaining a PGP key and signing their messages just to | > slip one past SpamA

Re: [SAtalk] Improvements to LINE_OF_YELLING

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
This looks much better. I'll put it in CVS and see how it goes for the next round of mass-check's. Thanks C On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 02:12, Matthew Cline wrote: > Here's my attempt at improving the LINE_OF_YELLING rule. First I changed it ___ Spamas

RE: [SAtalk] How to use check_whitelist?

2002-03-04 Thread Tony Hoyle
> -Original Message- > From: Daniel Quinlan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 04 March 2002 16:50 > To: Tony Hoyle > Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: Re: [SAtalk] How to use check_whitelist? > > That's just how it works. Two files make the database. The DBM > specifies one file that

[SAtalk] The 40 X 40 X 40 Plan

2002-03-04 Thread Daniel Rogers
This one's been around so long, it should be able to drive by now. However, SA 2.11 only gives it 4.8. How about a Very Special rule for it? Say: body40X_40X_40X /40 ?x ?40 ?x ?40 plan/i describe40X_40X_40X 64000 worth of plan score 40X_40X_40X 3.0 Al

RE: [SAtalk] A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
Still on my TODO list :) C On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 04:17, Michael Moncur wrote: > > I don't know if anyone's suggested this yet, but a "optional" sub-dir could > > be added to the rules directory, to which a something like > > "20_US_centric.cf" > > could be put; SUBJ_FULL_OF_8BITS, ROUND_THE_WORL

Re: [SAtalk] Re: 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
I spent about 10 seconds thinking about this after I released it, and realized I can just call the next one 2.20 and everyone will be happy snappy. C On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 05:15, Shane Williams wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Craig R Hughes wrote: > > > I ju

[SAtalk] rule suggestion,multiple to and cc lines

2002-03-04 Thread Tal Kelrich
I was wondering if filtering on this is a good idea, and as my subject line is illegible, I'll add a real-life sample To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Tal Kelrich PGP Fingerprint: 3EDF FCC5

Re: [SAtalk] Re: 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 06:51, Matt Sergeant wrote: > The RPM should be called 2.1.1 (or 2.1_1), but the perl version is right > at 2.11. Doesn't matter if I go to 2.20 next. C ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourcefo

Re: [SAtalk] How to use check_whitelist?

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
Just remove the check lines that jm added -- ie check_whitelist becomes: #!/usr/bin/perl use warnings ; use strict ; use Fcntl; use AnyDBM_File ; use vars qw( %h $k $v ) ; my $db = $ENV{HOME}."/.spamassassin/auto-whitelist";# is this right? tie %h, "AnyDBM_File",$db, O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_EXC

Re: [SAtalk] Rule idea: "real name" == local part

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
Eval tests are your friend. You can call get("To:addr") in there -- search the existing code for examples. C On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 08:16, Greg Ward wrote: > /^dear\s+$local_part/i > > ought to be worth a point or so. But I don't see a good way to do > *that* with a regex. That sort of thin

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
Thanks Theo, way to go pointing out tips for the spammers :) C On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 07:22, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 09:11:23AM -0600, Seth H. Bokelman wrote: > > folks. I don't think that Spammers are going to go through all the > > trouble of obtaining a PGP key and s

Re: [SAtalk] Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse

2002-03-04 Thread Daniel Rogers
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 10:26:49PM -0800, Craig Hughes wrote: > I also think DCC is possibly more promising than razor -- last time I looked > at it (increasingly long time ago now) DCC looked a bit immature though. > Stick a feature request in bugzilla though and I'll take a look again soon. I,

[SAtalk] processing a directory of messages?

2002-03-04 Thread Ricardo Kleemann
Hi Does SA support (or can we add support) for processing a directory that has multiple messages to be reported? I want to be able to run spamassassin -r and pass a directory path... that would simplify processing a number of messages. I'm integrating spamassassin into a webmail service that is

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 10:00:20AM -0800, Craig Hughes wrote: > way to go pointing out tips for the spammers :) I try not to underestimate my enemies -- I think the spammers would have figured this one out on their own. ;) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Smoking kills. If you're killed, you've

Re: [SAtalk] Idea: ignore self for auto-whitelist and identifcalto/from

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 08:38, Greg Ward wrote: > [1] OK, OK, I thought of an idea: send a message to a special cooked > address that you (the programmer) control; for SA, it might be > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". A script behind this address > would record everything it can think of about thi

Re: [SAtalk] processing a directory of messages?

2002-03-04 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 10:05:25AM -0800, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > Does SA support (or can we add support) for processing a directory that > has multiple messages to be reported? > > I want to be able to run spamassassin -r and pass a directory path... that > would simplify processing a number o

[SAtalk] RAZOR 1.20 problem apparently fixed

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
Apparently it was sort of our fault -- there used to be a problem with Razor resetting $/ or something, and now it doesn't any more, and our workaround broke something apparently. Anyway, I've patched the problem in CVS. See http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79 for more details.

Re: [SAtalk] rule suggestion,multiple to and cc lines

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
Already there. Check the *SUSP* rules. C On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 09:45, Tal Kelrich wrote: > I was wondering if filtering on this is a good idea, and as my subject > line is illegible, I'll add a real-life sample > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ><[

Re: [SAtalk] The 40 X 40 X 40 Plan

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
The new line of yelling stuff should push this over the top. C On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 09:49, Daniel Rogers wrote: > This one's been around so long, it should be able to drive by now. > > However, SA 2.11 only gives it 4.8. How about a Very Special rule for it? > Say: > > body40X_4

Re: [SAtalk] processing a directory of messages?

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 10:16, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > handlespam `find -type f` Beware of exceeding the line length your shell accepts though if you do it this way! C ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforg

Re: [SAtalk] processing a directory of messages?

2002-03-04 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 10:28:27AM -0800, Craig Hughes wrote: > On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 10:16, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > handlespam `find -type f` > > Beware of exceeding the line length your shell accepts though if you do > it this way! find -type f -exec handlespam {} && rm -f {} \; will

Re: [SAtalk] Rule idea: "real name" == local part

2002-03-04 Thread Greg Ward
On 04 March 2002, Matt Sergeant said: > "Dear matt" But your local part is "msergeant", I just checked! How much real mail do you get that says "Dear msergeant"? > Doesn't work for me, sorry... I actually see the presence of "dear ..." > where "..." isn't sir or madam or any other generic term

[SAtalk] Problems building spamd 2.11 on solaris 2.7

2002-03-04 Thread Christopher Albert
Greetings, Using perl 5.6.1,gcc 3.0.3, to build the latest version of SA, I get the following errors when trying to build spamd: . gcc -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O spamd/spamc.c \ -o spamd/spamc -L/usr/local/lib -lsocket -lns

RE: [SAtalk] Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse

2002-03-04 Thread Rose, Bobby
I've perused the razor list archives and my take is that they will release the server daemon once they deal with the trust issues. They don't want to have spammers setup a server and go thru and delete all the hashes from the database. Besides what difference does it make. If you are using Spam

Re: [SAtalk] Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse

2002-03-04 Thread Scott Doty
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 02:29:14PM -0500, Rose, Bobby wrote: > I've perused the razor list archives and my take is that they will > release the server daemon once they deal with the trust issues. They > don't want to have spammers setup a server and go thru and delete all > the hashes from the da

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Gunter Ohrner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Monday, 4. March 2002 04:01 schrieb Duncan Findlay: > > Interesting negative scores: > > score INCREASE_SALES -1.273 > > score CASHCASHCASH -0.839 > > score OPPORTUNITY-0.651 (...) > And even if

Re: [SAtalk] Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse

2002-03-04 Thread Kelsey Cummings
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 11:59:26AM -0800, Scott Doty wrote: > On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 02:29:14PM -0500, Rose, Bobby wrote: > > I've perused the razor list archives and my take is that they will > > release the server daemon once they deal with the trust issues. They > > don't want to have spammer

[SAtalk] Spammers get imaginative

2002-03-04 Thread Tony Hoyle
They've started using foreign languages now... a spam that just got through all my filters contained the following at the end: -- De acordo com as diretivas aprovadas no 105o Congresso de Base Normativas Internacionais sobre SPAM, Seção 301, Parágrafo (a) (2) (c) Decreto S. 1618, Título Terce

Re: [SAtalk] Spammers get imaginative

2002-03-04 Thread William R Ward
Tony Hoyle writes: >They've started using foreign languages now... a spam that just got >through all my filters contained the following at the end: > >-- > >De acordo com as diretivas aprovadas no 105o Congresso de Base >Normativas Internacionais sobre SPAM, Seção 301, Parágrafo (a) (2) (c) >De

Re: [SAtalk] Rule idea: "real name" == local part

2002-03-04 Thread Kerry Nice
The one I see a lot that gives me the Publisher's Clearing House customized warm fuzzy is a customized subject. I've never seen a customized dear that I can remember. I see a lot of subjects like: Hello, kerry_nice, get your free porn here I wouldn't be sure how to write something like that, ma

[SAtalk] New 2.11 Spamd

2002-03-04 Thread Jay Hodges
I just upgraded to the new 2.11 release, using spamd and spamc with MySQL, and after upgrading now I cannot seem to get spamd to lookup the SQL databases and cannot find any output concerning SQL in the Debug output, or in the mysql log!   Am I missing something obvious?   Thanks in advance.

Re: [SAtalk] New 2.11 Spamd

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
Were you upgrading from 2.1? Very little changed from 2.1 to 2.11, certainly none of the DB connection/lookup stuff. Double check your installation to make sure everything's still in the right places. Maybe try re-downloading and doing a make install again. C On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 14:02, Jay

[SAtalk] Sightings Problem

2002-03-04 Thread Donald Greer
Folks, I'm trying to make a webpage where my users can submit SPAM, click a button, and it's automagically router to sightings and spamcop. Well, when I test this with a recent spam that slipped through, I found that SF is reject mail based on bogus "From:" headers. Generally, that's

Re: [SAtalk] New 2.11 Spamd

2002-03-04 Thread Jay Hodges
No, I was upgrading from 1.5. Thanks, Jay Hodges Draco Digital, LLC http://www.dracodigital.com http://www.luv2goshop.com - Original Message - From: "Craig Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jay Hodges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 5:18 PM Subje

Re: [SAtalk] Sightings Problem

2002-03-04 Thread Greg Ward
On 04 March 2002, Donald Greer said: > I'm trying to make a webpage where my users can submit SPAM, click a > button, and it's automagically router to sightings and spamcop. > Well, when I test this with a recent spam that slipped through, I > found that SF is reject mail based on bogus "Fro

Re: [SAtalk] Spammers get imaginative

2002-03-04 Thread Rob McMillin
Tony Hoyle wrote: > They've started using foreign languages now... Now? Now? I've been getting spam in Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Chinese, and Japanese for a while now. I've even started getting spam on my phone (AT&T allows e-mail access for short messages). I have to admit, the w

Re: [SAtalk] Re: 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 09:50:56AM -0800, Craig Hughes wrote: > I spent about 10 seconds thinking about this after I released it, and > realized I can just call the next one 2.20 and everyone will be happy > snappy. > I named 2.1 as 2.10 for Debian. It's a bit wierd at first, but you get used to

[SAtalk] Determining version

2002-03-04 Thread Mike Loiterman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How do you determine what version is running? I ran it with -D but I saw no mention of the version number. I have been just installing the new one on top of the old one, so I'm not sure what version I'm actually running. Mike Loiterman [EMAIL PRO

[SAtalk] Request for testing on BSD / Limiting children for spamd

2002-03-04 Thread Duncan Findlay
I have proposed a patch to limit the number of children spawned by spamd. It can be reached at http://bugzilla.debian.org/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=3 In order to make the patch, I had to remove a line saying 'important: avoids perl sighandling bug on BSD' I imagine that the new sighandler is

Re: [SAtalk] Determining version

2002-03-04 Thread Matthew Cline
On Monday 04 March 2002 04:06 pm, Mike Loiterman wrote: > How do you determine what version is running? I ran it with -D but I > saw no mention of the version number. Run with the "-h" option for help, and the version number will be in the last line of the output. -- Visit http://dmoz.org, t

[SAtalk] FAQ Suggestion

2002-03-04 Thread Seth Arnold
Greetings! Spamassassin is cool; thanks! In the few days its been installed for me, my spam has gone down quite a bit. Nice. A quick thought about the FAQ[1]: In the bit about "How do I report a spam to Razor?" it would be nice to mention that spamassassin -d strips the headers and inline modifi

Re: [SAtalk] Rule idea: "real name" == local part

2002-03-04 Thread Olivier Nicole
>Doesn't work for me, sorry... I actually see the presence of "dear ..." >where "..." isn't sir or madam or any other generic term as a sign that >it's likely not spam. For certain most spammers aren't going to want to >send emails having: "Dear 42fudge82323" where the recipient is >[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Olivier Nicole
Me thinks it would even be a good thing is SA could verify the signature :) But where to get the key from? Olivier > | Playing devil's advocate, all the spammers have to do is add the text: > | > | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > | > | > | They don't actually have to sign anything. Put it at t

RE: [SAtalk] How to use check_whitelist?

2002-03-04 Thread Olivier Nicole
Tony, There are 3 or 4 versions of DB out in the wild, some quite old, some newer. The one with .dir .pag is old if I remember well, maybe you need to install something newer. Olivier ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists

Re: [SAtalk] Sightings Problem

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
Forward the original mail as a MIME message/rfc822 attachment C On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 15:37, Donald Greer wrote: >Folks, >I'm trying to make a webpage where my users can submit SPAM, click a > button, and it's automagically router to sightings and spamcop. >Well, when I test this wi

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 08:49:10AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Me thinks it would even be a good thing is SA could verify the signature :) > > But where to get the key from? > Please don't verify the signature. Some things are best left to the MUA. Verifying takes a LONG time, in some cases

Re: [SAtalk] Determining version

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
Alternatively look at the X-Spam-Status header that SA inserts -- it tags each message with its version number. C On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 16:30, Matthew Cline wrote: > On Monday 04 March 2002 04:06 pm, Mike Loiterman wrote: > > > How do you determine what version is running? I ran it with -D but

Re: [SAtalk] Request for testing on BSD / Limiting children forspamd

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
I had the perlipc manpage signal handler in there in the first place, and it had to be replaced with the one you just re-replaced. Definitely would be good to have a number of BSDers hammer on this patch before I roll it in. Otherwise, I could roll it in with a giant "Don't use -m on BSD" warnin

Re: [SAtalk] processing a directory of messages?

2002-03-04 Thread dman
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 10:28:27AM -0800, Craig Hughes wrote: | On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 10:16, Theo Van Dinter wrote: | > handlespam `find -type f` | | Beware of exceeding the line length your shell accepts though if you do | it this way! FWIW, cmd.exe (windows) has a _very_ short line length

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Craig Hughes
I agree. Verifying is probably overkill, and definitely slow, and the MUA's job. Actually, probably not the MUA's job, but the MUA should call something to do the job. C On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 18:01, Duncan Findlay wrote: > On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 08:49:10AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > > Me

Re: [SAtalk] Request for testing on BSD / Limiting children for spamd

2002-03-04 Thread Duncan Findlay
Actually, it was a different sig handler from the same manpage, IIRC. Don't use -m on BSD might be wise anyways, since essentially, my patch simply allows connections to pile up without accepting them, until we have the resources to handle them. I believe SOMAXCONN is 5 on BSD, so if you get 11 m

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread dman
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 09:01:45PM -0500, Duncan Findlay wrote: | On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 08:49:10AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: | > Me thinks it would even be a good thing is SA could verify the signature :) | > | > But where to get the key from? | > | | Please don't verify the signature. Som

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Olivier Nicole
>Please don't verify the signature. Some things are best left to the MUA. >Verifying takes a LONG time, in some cases. My MUA also verifies. Does it >make sense for both to do so? OK then only check that the thingy bellow BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE--- is a valid signature. That should be quick. Oli

Re: [SAtalk] Request for testing on BSD / Limiting children for spamd

2002-03-04 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 09:10:56PM -0500, I wrote: > Actually, it was a different sig handler from the same manpage, IIRC. > Errr... now I remember. I think that the sighandler for SIGCHLD blocks any new SIGCHLDs from occuring, meaning (as I interpret it) SIGCHLD doesn't get re-executed. The sig

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:20:22AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > >Please don't verify the signature. Some things are best left to the MUA. > >Verifying takes a LONG time, in some cases. My MUA also verifies. Does it > >make sense for both to do so? > > OK then only check that the thingy bellow -

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Olivier Nicole
> > OK then only check that the thingy bellow BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE--- > > is a valid signature. That should be quick. > I think validate = verify. It does not need to be the same. For example it does not need to have the public key of the one signing, nor it needs to calculate the hash for th

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:55:25AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > > > OK then only check that the thingy bellow BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE--- > > > is a valid signature. That should be quick. > > I think validate = verify. > > It does not need to be the same. > > For example it does not need to hav

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Olivier Nicole
> > It would need to check that the strings between BEGIN and END is in a > > proper format that belongs tp PGP, even if PGP cannot finish > > validating the signed text. > > And what is that format? Well I have no idea, I beleive that could be solved by a call to PGP, where PGP would abort say

[SAtalk] A signed message

2002-03-04 Thread Greg Leffler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here's a signed message for your tests. - -- Greg Leffler| GPG Key Fingerprint (ID 0x5C49D3CA) http://greg.louisville.ky.us| 2845 598C 879C 8B73 0EAB [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 8DA1 7579 C1B6 5C49 D3CA GPG Key available at the UR

Re: [SAtalk] A signed message

2002-03-04 Thread Olivier Nicole
Thanks the result is bellow, where sig is a file containing the signature (from BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE to END PGP SIGNATURE) and broken.sig is the same file where I deleted one byte. Even if PGP (my version is quite old) cannot do anything with the signature, it can assess that the signature is poss

RE: [SAtalk] A signed message

2002-03-04 Thread Seth H. Bokelman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Weird, for some reason my PGP said your signature was bad on that message. Here's one signed by me! :) - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Greg Leffler Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:51 PM To:

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 10:43:38AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > > > It would need to check that the strings between BEGIN and END is in a > > > proper format that belongs tp PGP, even if PGP cannot finish > > > validating the signed text. > > > > And what is that format? > > > Well I have no

[SAtalk] razor gone haywire?

2002-03-04 Thread dman
I just reorganized my network topology, and to verify my port forwarding, I sent myself a message. The SMTP session looks like (done via telnet) : MAIL FROM: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is syntactically correct RCPT TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> verified DATA 354

[SAtalk] Refined WORK_AT_HOME rules

2002-03-04 Thread Michael Moncur
Here's a slight refinement to the WORK_AT_HOME rule, designed to catch a spam that slipped through today with the variation "working at home". I also changed it to be case-insensitive. body WORK_AT_HOME /(?:(?:WORK|MAKE (?:MONEY|\${1,})|WORKING) (?:AT|FROM) HOME|HOME.?WORKER)/i desc

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Jeremy Mates
* Duncan Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-03-04T20:19-0800]: > This is signed - mutt style. (I'm not really sure how this turns out in > other MUA's. I think it's a multpart mime message. multipart/signed, and apparently not matched by the rawbody PGP_SIGNATURE rule in SA 2.11. Maybe an additio

RE: [SAtalk] razor gone haywire?

2002-03-04 Thread Rose, Bobby
Razor doesn't care about headers only the message body. Message headers are not unique (dates, froms, tos, relays would be different for everyone)and would generate a different hash. The word hi has probably been registered by someone just like test. -Original Message- From: dman [mail

Re: [SAtalk] 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Jeremy Mates
Hrmm, even better would be the following header check, which should be faster to process and harder to fake: header PGP_MIME_SIGNATURE Content-Type =~ /multipart\/signed; micalg.*application\/pgp-signature"/s describe PGP_MIME_SIGNATURE Contains PGP-signed MIME attatchement Due to every m

[SAtalk] Re: 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, dman wrote: > On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 09:01:45PM -0500, Duncan Findlay wrote: >| On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 08:49:10AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: >| > Me thinks it would even be a good thing is SA could verify the >| > signature :) [...] > As I haven't figured out how to use g

[SAtalk] Re: Idea: ignore self for auto-whitelist and identifcal to/from

2002-03-04 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Greg Ward wrote: > On 01 March 2002, Matthew Cline said: >> Even if this is a good idea (is it?), I don't know how to go about >> getting the user's email adress. If it's the user who's invoking SA, >> there might be some way to get the info from the environment, but I >> want