Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-29 Thread butrus orman
i luv it, it has been working flawless for me using suse 8.2 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay Get office equipment for less on eBay! http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 __

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-29 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Ben M. VanWagner wrote on Wed, 28 May 2003 14:48:09 -0500: > How about adding a section in the HOWTO that lists customizing the > message as a CRUCIAL step in configuring the software. > cvs-2.60 includes now a routine which asks for a custom email address or URL. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin

RE: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-29 Thread Tony Earnshaw
ons, 28.05.2003 kl. 09.46 skrev Tony Earnshaw: > Is changed in 2.50-CVS, last night's version (wasn't a couple of days > ago.). 2.60-CVS. Tony -- Tony Earnshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay Get office equi

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-29 Thread Simon Byrnand
At 19:23 27/05/03 -0400, Christopher M. Iarocci wrote: > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 04:49:55PM -0500, Ben M. VanWagner wrote: > > What amazes me is that everytime some idiot does this.. everyone agrees > > that the information in the email needs to be changed and then it never is. > > Here's an id

RE: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-29 Thread Ben M. VanWagner
Stop smoking Crack :-), I was being figurative. I don't literally mean that everyone should send an apology email to every moron in this world. Obviously that would take to long. A simple change once and for all to the SA report that places the blame on the ISP and does not refer them to SA w

RE: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-29 Thread Chris Santerre
> tir, 27.05.2003 kl. 23.49 skrev Ben M. VanWagner: > > > What amazes me is that everytime some idiot does this.. ...and gets answered, they never reply back! This guy was most likely a spammer trying to get our goat or harvest more addresses. Look at all the time wasted talking about this. Ha

RE: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-28 Thread Tony Earnshaw
tir, 27.05.2003 kl. 23.49 skrev Ben M. VanWagner: > What amazes me is that everytime some idiot does this.. everyone agrees that the > information in the email needs to be changed and then it never is. > > I have mostly been a spectator on this list for the past 6 to 8 months. I have seen > t

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread mis
most people who actually have done usability testing discover that almost nobody *reads* documentation (even readme files), though some people attempt to refer to them to answer questions. they instead prefer to use well-developed intuitions. what happens when the software is counterintuitive is

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Justin Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > On Tue, 27 May 2003, Cassandra Lynette Brockett wrote: > > > I just checked a spam message from 2.55 and this is what it says inside :- > > See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. > > And that connects me to the Spamassassin Information for End-Users page

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Bob Apthorpe
On Tue, 27 May 2003 12:14:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > sure he can complain to his isp, but... > > i am amazed that, in this day and age, software developers will not > listen to usability complaints for what they are (referring to the > several replies to this note already posted on this

RE: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread L. Walsh
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of William Stearns > As a side note, you might consider how your original > message comes > across; someone reading it quickly might mistake your > phrasing for someone > who's taking out thei

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Jeremy Kister
> Because of you I am changing ISP's. There is no such thing as a > whitelist that works. Even if I receive valid mail and you have > targeted it as spam I cannot read it because you control freaks have > altered the e-mail. Anyone else having similar problems? Why not let > us have control of

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread listuser
On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christopher M. Iarocci wrote: > > > > > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 04:49:55PM -0500, Ben M. VanWagner wrote: > > > What amazes me is that everytime some idiot does this.. everyone agrees > > > that the information in the email needs to be changed and then it never > is. > > >

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread listuser
On Tue, 27 May 2003, Cassandra Lynette Brockett wrote: > I just checked a spam message from 2.55 and this is what it says inside :- > See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. > And that connects me to the Spamassassin Information for End-Users page Well... I just had this idea. Wh

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread listuser
On Tue, 27 May 2003, Mike Anderson wrote: > Because of you I am changing ISP's. There is no such thing as a > whitelist that works. Even if I receive valid mail and you have > targeted it as spam I cannot read it because you control freaks have > altered the e-mail. Anyone else having similar p

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Robin Lynn Frank
On Tuesday 27 May 2003 15:34, Ed Kasky wrote: > At 04:49 PM Tuesday, 5/27/2003, Ben M. VanWagner wrote -=> > > >All the active members of this list should apologize to every idiot who > >makes this kind of complaint in the wrong place. > > This is an issue that I deal with all the time and some of

RE: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Stevens, John
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 04:49:55PM -0500, Ben M. VanWagner wrote: > > What amazes me is that everytime some idiot does this.. everyone agrees > > that the information in the email needs to be changed and then it never is. >

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Shaun T. Erickson
Michael Weber wrote: I hope this won't be another 30+ message thread trying to convince a user that he is not talking to the right group of people. Too late. :) -ste --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: ObjectStore. If flattening out C++ or

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Christopher M. Iarocci
> On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 04:49:55PM -0500, Ben M. VanWagner wrote: > > What amazes me is that everytime some idiot does this.. everyone agrees > > that the information in the email needs to be changed and then it never is. > > Here's an idea. What about changing the default text used to say so

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Cassandra Lynette Brockett
ge tag... Regards, Cassandra - Original Message - From: "Ben M. VanWagner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin > >Because of you I am changing ISP's. There is no

RE: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Ed Kasky
At 04:49 PM Tuesday, 5/27/2003, Ben M. VanWagner wrote -=> All the active members of this list should apologize to every idiot who makes this kind of complaint in the wrong place. This is an issue that I deal with all the time and some of the more experienced SA users have to deal with me about

RE: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Evan Platt
At 02:49 PM 05/27/2003, you wrote: What amazes me is that everytime some idiot does this.. everyone agrees that the information in the email needs to be changed and then it never is. I'm sure it's incredibly high on the list of to-do's for the developers. I have mostly been a spectator on this

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Jason Haar
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 04:49:55PM -0500, Ben M. VanWagner wrote: > What amazes me is that everytime some idiot does this.. everyone agrees > that the information in the email needs to be changed and then it never is. Here's an idea. What about changing the default text used to say something like

RE: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Ben M. VanWagner
>Because of you I am changing ISP's. There is no such thing as a >whitelist that works. Even if I receive valid mail and you have >targeted it as spam I cannot read it because you control freaks have >altered the e-mail. Anyone else having similar problems? Why not let >us have control of what happ

RE: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Peter P. Benac
Title: Message Ya'll need to really ignore this crap since all it is, is the spammers way of venting their frustrations.     -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mairhtin O'FeannagSent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 15:00To: Mike Anderson; [EMAI

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Mike Smith
So what are you going to do when your next ISP gets smart and implements Spam Assassin? Change ISP's again? I think you have a lot to learn before you come in here and bash Spam Assassin. If you are having troubles you should be talking to your ISP. Is it Spam Assassin's fault that your ISP is i

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Michael Weber
Um... Here we go again! I hope this won't be another 30+ message thread trying to convince a user that he is not talking to the right group of people. Mike, This list is for users of the SpamAssassin product. None of us here have any control whatsoever over the use or (probably in your opinion

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Christopher M. Iarocci
- Original Message - From: "Mike Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin > Why not let > us have control of what happens at the PC level as opposed to the > network level? Probably because you'd co

RE: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Matt Yackley
Mike, The developers of SpamAssassin, have nothing to do with your problems. You need to talk to your ISP about their use of SpamAssassin, no one on this list can help with your problems as they have no control over what your ISP does. I'd start here or if they aren't helpful, then like ya said..

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread William Stearns
Good afternoon, Mike, On Tue, 27 May 2003, Mike Anderson wrote: > Because of you I am changing ISP's. There is no such thing as a > whitelist that works. Even if I receive valid mail and you have > targeted it as spam I cannot read it because you control freaks have > altered the e-mail. Anyon

RE: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Chris Santerre
$10 says it is a harvester! Kyle: After all that? Shenanigans! Shenanigans SHENANIGANS!! > -Original Message- > From: Mike Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin > > > Because of

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Bob Apthorpe
Hi, Let's take this very slowly... On Tue, 27 May 2003, Mike Anderson wrote: > Because of you I am changing ISP's. 'You' is an ambiguous term. Who specifically is this 'you' that has coerced you into changing ISPs? > There is no such thing as a whitelist that works. That is a false statement.

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread mis
sure he can complain to his isp, but... i am amazed that, in this day and age, software developers will not listen to usability complaints for what they are (referring to the several replies to this note already posted on this list). it would suggest, or you could infer, that the default install

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Alan Leghart
--On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:59 AM -0700 Mairhtin O'Feannag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Whoa! Dude! You might want to direct any anger at you ISP, AT YOUR ISP. This discussion group/list is for those who are working with SA, not trying to fight it. Ask your question(s) about whitelists here, and

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread xavier renaut
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 11:54:29AM -0600, Mike Anderson wrote: |Because of you I am changing ISP's. There is no such thing as a |whitelist that works. Even if I receive valid mail and you have |targeted it as spam I cannot read it because you control freaks have |altered the e-mail. Anyone else

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Mairhtin O'Feannag
Whoa! Dude! You might want to direct any anger at you ISP, AT YOUR ISP. This discussion group/list is for those who are working with SA, not trying to fight it. Ask your question(s) about whitelists here, and you will find kind, cooperative, knowlegable people WILLING TO HELP. At le

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Catherine Pinatiello
Mike Anderson wrote: Because of you I am changing ISP's. There is no such thing as a whitelist that works. Even if I receive valid mail and you have targeted it as spam I cannot read it because you control freaks have altered the e-mail. Anyone else having similar problems? Why not let us have

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Alan Leghart
--On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:54 AM -0600 Mike Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Because of you I am changing ISP's. There is no such thing as a whitelist that works. Even if I receive valid mail and you have targeted it as spam I cannot read it because you control freaks have altered the e-m

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread David Chait
Because the economics of spam dictate a solution on the network level. If the mail makes it through to your PC, then the damage is done, it has already consumed bandwidth, space, and time. You may feel marginally inconvenienced, but the fact of the matter is, spam can cost an ISP or a buisnesses te

Re: [SAtalk] I hate SpamAssassin

2003-05-27 Thread Steve Thomas
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 11:54:29AM -0600, Mike Anderson is rumored to have said: > Because of you I am changing ISP's. There is no such thing as a > whitelist that works. Even if I receive valid mail and you have > targeted it as spam I cannot read it because you control freaks have > altered the