"...once in a while a frame breaks. Statistically it is inevitable. It
is a drag to have it aired, but so be it..."
Oh man, the purpose of the original post wasn't to air any perceived
short comings of a Rivendell bicycle. As pointed out, this stuff just
happens. I feel a sense of friendship and
I've bought several Rivendells because I like the designs and also
because I expect to be
riding them until I die, and then I hope someone will keep riding
them.
. Better in repairable steel than in carbon.
> All will be well!
> Grant
>
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The way I interpreted "depth" as applied to the Ram was that it
doesn't limit a strong rider and
the longer you ride it the more you find that it can do. A skilled
rider can get things out of a Ram
that he/she couldn't from a AHH or an Atlantis.
On Nov 23, 9:33 pm, "PATRICK MOORE" <[EMAIL PROTECT
Mike, I don't think anyone who reads these posts will be dissuaded from their
allegiance to Rivendell. If fact, it was a great tale and we all learned that
karmic forces are uncannily reliable. We also were reminded, despite the
aggrandizement of our steel bikes, that "parts is parts" and that
I think the fact that the cyclist came back with the supplies to make such a
clever repair is fantastic! And it's great that you were able to ride the
bike home.
I posted to the list when my Quickbeam frame broke over a year ago (like
Grant said, once in a great while, a frame breaks). The folks a
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:32 PM, David Estes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Foy
>
That is rather nice. I didn't care for the AHH name, but this one has IMO
more substance behind it. Now, to get a decent likeness on the badge!
As for Sam Hilborne, cribbed from Wik
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:58 AM, usuk2007 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> I've bought several Rivendells because I like the designs and also
> because I expect to be
> riding them until I die, and then I hope someone will keep riding
> them.
>
>
Me, too!
Patrick "firmly in the Rivendell booster sec
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "...once in a while a frame breaks. Statistically it is inevitable. It
> is a drag to have it aired, but so be it..."
>
> Oh man, the purpose of the original post wasn't to air any perceived
> short comings of a Rivendell bicycle
on 11/23/08 11:56 AM, usuk2007 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with your comments, the Riv bikes are different, which is why
> I lament the loss
> of the road/sport tourer end of the model spectrum. There's the
> Legolas, but it's a bit
> too lightweight and specialized and the AHH has just t
on 11/23/08 4:03 PM, MichaelH at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The AHH long reach brakes are economical, but once you spring for
> that much of a frame, the price of a set of Paul's cantis is small and
> will out perform the silver brakes, so I question Grant's decision to
> invest so much of his d
>
Grant wrote
>
> "...once in a while a frame breaks. Statistically it is inevitable. It
> is a drag to have it aired, but so be it..."
Mike said:
> Oh man, the purpose of the original post wasn't to air any perceived
> short comings of a Rivendell bicycle. As pointed out, this stuff just
> happ
on 11/23/08 7:40 PM, CycloFiend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sorry to hear about your break. I had a very similar break on a dropout
> which Ed Litton was able to rebraze. He just resprayed the dropouts (which
> were largely missing paint from years of clamping QR's.)
I should clarify that the
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:29 AM, tarik saleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The right attitude is exactly what David said, Mike is a frame
> breaking animal and it should be a point of pride. Ride it, break it,
> fix it, ride it.
>
> Tarik
>
i should have added "inspect it". The nice part about
I cringed a little bit in my mouth when I saw this topics headline.
But I was pleasantly surprised how upbeat Mike's initial message and
other's responses were. This is a rah-rah Rivendell post in my
opinion, not at all a bash.
Most of us here are experienced enough to not expect perfection from
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:15 AM, CycloFiend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> on 11/23/08 4:03 PM, MichaelH at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > The AHH long reach brakes are economical, but once you spring for
> > that much of a frame, the price of a set of Paul's cantis is small and
> > will out perfo
On Nov 23, 6:33 pm, "PATRICK MOORE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What exactly do you mean by "depth"? It's not usually an
> adjective used of bicycles.
On Nov 24, 7:04 am, usuk2007 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The way I interpreted "depth" as applied to the Ram was that it
> doesn't limit a st
At PBP last year, there was a rider whose Rivendell Road Standard
cracked and broke at the junction between the top of one of the
seatstays and the seat lug. He cobbled together a fix involving a
screw and a hose clamp and was able to do the ride (I lost track of
whether he completed the
Great story Mike, you dropout crusher you. Glad you're okay, and I'm
glad you were on a Riv when that happened.
All this got me thinking about Yehuda Moon. I bet he keeps plenty of
hose clamps and assorted metal sleeves in his saddlebag!
http://www.yehudamoon.com/index.php?date=2008-03-17
On N
Tarik,
Can you show me something like this in steel??
http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=/photos/2008/news/nov08/nov22news/DSC_0021
smug and self-congratulatory,
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New York City
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Concerning frame toughness;
Why today I took a spill on the atlantis (the first accident in a very long
time). I was doing about 25mph by my guess, crossing a bridge around 7am.
It's early in my commute, and I wasn't really paying attention in the dark
morning light. Turns out we had a healthy amo
On Nov 23, 10:56 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Better in repairable steel than in carbon.
I have no doubt that Grant/Riv will fix the frame as good as new, if
not better. However, I would like to correct this misconception that
carbon cannot be repaired. First, other hav
on 11/24/08 12:54 PM, Brewster Fong at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> However, some carbon fiber frames CAN BE REPAIRED. There is at least
> one carbon mfr that repairs carbon fiber frames. In fact, it now makes
> up about 30% of his business. Craig Calfee of Calfee Design can and
> does repair not o
Sure,
http://greenblatt.smugmug.com/gallery/4369627_VBaPB#367598179_7xqDb-XL-LB
Thats a JRA failure, not a crash. The fork just separated while
riding. Is that similar enough?
I think that is a kogswell that was made at a same plant where
surly/soma make there stuff, possibly others more germane
A more appropriate question would be...
Can you show me another catastrophic failure in a professional racing bike that
was weight weenied down to nothing, and then expected to perform?
There are plenty of failures from the days of steel bikes when drilling holes
in frames and components to los
a little ride
that started in nyc or somewhere a few yrs back
kc's been carrying on for 3 yrs now
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acmebicycle/sets/72157610006482772/
peacewell behaved women rarely make history_ride yr friggin bicycle_
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As for Sam Hilborne, cribbed from Wikipedia: Why the Sam Hill would you name
a bike after a **Congressman**???!!!???
Patrick "tongue in cheek when foot not in mouth" Moore
Looks like old Sam represented the Bay Area. Walnut Creek was probably
cattle country back then. The answer to your
And I guess that I'd rather see them deliver short, sold-out runs of
Rambouillets (and Hilsens, Bombadils or Atlantii, for that matter), if it
lets RBW keep cash-nimble enough to swing the run of more affordable models
for '09.
- Jim
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Short, sold out runs are a
Tarik,
Hardly the same, steerer tubes break on all types of frames, but you will be
hard pressed to find a simpler mid-fork blade failure especially, if you
disregard any forks with braze-ons. Bicycle Manufactures are not playing
with a full deck when it comes to carbon fork and frame design, and
The truth is that Steel frames break ALL THE TIME. I worked at a steel
frame builder for many years and saw hundreds of broken frames come
through the door for repair, most were not crash damage.
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Tarik Saleh
tas at tariksaleh dot com
in los alamos, po box 208, 87544
http://tariksaleh.com
a
Tarik:
The possibility of a catastrophic failure exists with any material.
The probability of a catastrophic failure is lowest with steel.
dougP
Tarik warns:
"...you should not be so confident that crap like that will never happen to
you because you are on a steel bike.
Tarik
On Mon,
If frame inspection sounds too technical, or too much like work, or
like a task eventually leading to disaster ...
Way back when we used to race, we were told a clean bike is a well
functioning bike. That is, wiping it down now and then will bring the
eye closer to an aging cable, worn brake pads
Don't forget to floss your freewheel teeth, too!
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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:09 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!
If frame inspection
Hi Folks,
I know it's a long shot, but I figured I'd throw it out there.
I have a lot of overlap between my Saluki and Bleriot, so I'd consider
trading the Bleriot for a Quickbeam (a complete Bleriot is slightly
more expensive than a complete QB). The B-lo is 57cm, and I'm looking
for a 58cm QB
I can top this. JRA on our new to us Orbit tandem (531C!! Wag the dog!!), my
ex wife and I braked to avoid a little bastard on the wrong sida the road.
Steerer snapped just above crown, we spilled, me over bar, ex over me. No
serious damage except some lovely bruises on my upper legs, but it probab
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Doug Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> come from Rivendell.
>
>
>
> OK, now we know who the bikes were named after, and certainly Betty's
> character is worthy of recognition in the form a bicycle namesake. So,
> what's Sam's claim to fame?
>
Prolly denied
The recent talk about how great Rambouillets are sent me off to ride
my Rambouillet yesterday.
Which got me thinking (this is the first step I take to create a
problem), I have several bike with bar end shifters, but none with
down tube shifters.
Today I performed a shifter change: from
http:/
I spoke with Keven at Rivendell earlier today and they'll get the
frame repaired in a timely manner and I'll be able to get it painted a
new color for a reduced fee. I'm also going to get some mid-fork braze-
ons for a Mark's rack. Now I just need to strip the frame and get it
on the brown pony ba
Doug Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"""
The possibility of a catastrophic failure exists with any material.
The probability of a catastrophic failure is lowest with steel.
I say:
Sure, but not low enough to be smug.
Doug also wrote;
"""
Many of the recent posts on this topic have ack
Hey, Gino - I hope you find one - you'll love it. You're Bleriot is
awesome, by the way.
On Nov 24, 3:06 pm, "Gino Zahnd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I know it's a long shot, but I figured I'd throw it out there.
>
> I have a lot of overlap between my Saluki and Bleriot, so I'd co
Tarik and all, I will stick my neck out and say steel is the most readily
repaired material common in bicycles. I had the same break as being
discussed and had it repaired within an hour in very rural southwestern New
Hampshire, on a Sunday morning no less. That was seven years ago and I rode
that
Angus - I recently made the same shift (pardon the pun) to DT shifters on my
Atlantis. I also went friction rather than indexed. I must admit that it is a
little more inconvenient, but I knew that going in, and that is partly why I
did it. I love riding my Quickbeam around because I don't wor
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Steven Sweedler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tarik and all, I will stick my neck out and say steel is the most readily
> repaired material common in bicycles.
I don't think that was under discussion. It is a very easy repair.
Tarik
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Tarik Saleh
tas at tariksa
I personally prefer my bike lists without politics. Maybe that's just me.
I doubt if RBW is amking a political statement with Hillborne.
Prolly denied having had sex with an underage intern.
Patrick "and he didn't inhale, either" Moore (who would like to ad
And there's no denying that DT shifters are the most aesthetically pleasing
set up.
I've used bar ends for 20 years & there's no denying the clutter of cables
around the handlebars can't be made to look good. But they are functional.
dougP
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'Nother nice thing about DT vs. barcon shifters - you only need one
hand to do the shifting. Also, I figure if I'm riding on the brake
levers most of the time and I'd have to move my hand down to the end
of the bar to shift (well, both hands, depending upon the gear
desired) I might as well move
Is there a clamp which would allow DT shifters on a Bleriot?
On Nov 24, 7:17 pm, George Schick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 'Nother nice thing about DT vs. barcon shifters - you only need one
> hand to do the shifting. Also, I figure if I'm riding on the brake
> levers most of the time and I'd h
On Nov 24, 7:20 pm, rcnute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a clamp which would allow DT shifters on a Bleriot?
I think they used to make them for older bikes but the Bleriot has an
OS downtube right? Might be hard to get something that could fit. DT
shifter braze ons could be added. I've
With all this talk of the Ram, it got me thinking about how my
Kogswell P58 is too small for me. I've been riding my 62cm Quickbeam
and Protovelo around with a giant grin (sometimes a grimace on the
'Beam, which is near my fit limit) - and while my P is a great bike,
I've become dissatisfied with
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Esteban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> With all this talk of the Ram, it got me thinking about how my
> Kogswell P58 is too small for me. I've been riding my 62cm Quickbeam
> and Protovelo around with a giant grin (sometimes a grimace on the
> 'Beam, which is nea
on 11/24/08 7:20 PM, rcnute at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Is there a clamp which would allow DT shifters on a Bleriot?
>
I know this question came up either on the Bleriot list or the 650B list...
...dit, dit, dit... hmmm Well. Nottalotta options.
I _thought_ I recalled someone who ha
I've also been using the Silvers on my Rom and now on the custom.
I'm very happy with the Silvers, to me they compare favorably to any
brakes I've
used.
Of course I grew up on single pivot campy super record brakes that
had some
sort of legalistic disclaimer that they were 'speed modulators
I made Velonews last year in a miniskirt and frilly midriff top,
racing CX on my Ramboo:
http://www.velonews.com/photo/html/photo1657.html
Here's the RBW Bunch thread about it:
http://xrl.us/oybxy (Link to groups.google.com)
Another fella here in Chico raced his for three years.
The only bummer
I think knobbies on the Ram are fine for you folks in Ca but would end
your race in a lap here in Portland. With or without a miniskirt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t6yar-BtbM
On Nov 24, 9:57 pm, "Gino Zahnd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I made Velonews last year in a miniskirt and frilly mi
LOL. That was the funniest series of low speed CX crashes I've ever
seen. HA. Thanks for sharing.
And yes, if mud is in the forecast, get a bike with cantis or v-brakes
for cross racin'.
Gino
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think knobbies on the Ram
Pretty awesome - I like the pete rose at about 1:45.
Thanks for keeping the possibility alive, Gino. CX sure looks fun.
On Nov 24, 10:19 pm, "Gino Zahnd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LOL. That was the funniest series of low speed CX crashes I've ever
> seen. HA. Thanks for sharing.
>
> And ye
If a cyclocross-worthy bike is your goal, why not consider the
Legolas, which was designed precisely with CX in mind and employs
cantis instead of sidepulls?
On Nov 24, 9:20 pm, Esteban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> With all this talk of the Ram, it got me thinking about how my
> Kogswell P58 is t
Yea - I've literally never done it, so it's not so much my goal, as
something i want to think about. I could certainly use the Quickbeam,
although it fits a bit on the bigger limit for me (although perfectly
on the bigger limit, if you know what I mean).
I guess I've found my Kogswell ready to s
on 11/24/08 9:34 PM, CycloFiend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> There's a person on the Bleriot registry page -
>
> http://www.tfl.net/Bleriot/BleriotRegistry.htm
>
> who states they've mounted a campy set of shifters on the top tube. I've
> emailed him to see if he has any photos available.
R
What's JRA?
Rob "I broke a spoke once" Markwardt
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:42 PM, rob markwardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
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> What's JRA?
>
> Rob "I broke a spoke once" Markwardt
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>
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Those tt shifters are pretty cool - you just wouldn't want to run
straight into a wall at a reasonable speed. Ouch!
What about some vintage stem mounted shifters? Same problem with the
wall, though.
On Nov 24, 11:36 pm, CycloFiend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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