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I have limited funds available, living on Social Security, but I have a lot of free time available and could certainly solicit hardware donations from corporations and universities if I knew better the required specifications of what the project is looking for and knew where they ought to be sen

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also, consider https://www.openbsd.org/want.html as another form of donation 73 diana

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Hi, Theo de Raadt wrote on Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 12:14:43PM -0600: > Joel Carnat wrote: >> Le 26 oct. 2023 à 16:38, Ingo Schwarze a écrit : >>> The advice is extremely simple: >>> >>> If you can, donate directly to the OpenBSD project because that means >>> 1. the donation can be used for any p

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Joel Carnat wrote: > > Le 26 oct. 2023 à 16:38, Ingo Schwarze a écrit : > > > > The advice is extremely simple: > > > > If you can, donate directly to the OpenBSD project because that means > > 1. the donation can be used for any purpose, including all purposes > >that can be funded by the

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> Le 26 oct. 2023 à 16:38, Ingo Schwarze a écrit : > > The advice is extremely simple: > > If you can, donate directly to the OpenBSD project because that means > 1. the donation can be used for any purpose, including all purposes >that can be funded by the foundation and some that can't >

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Ingo, you have been very kind and thoughtful in all of your replies; for this I thank you. I guess I'm used to projects I like actually wanting help from the community. The OpenBSD model baffles me. For a long time I have had a great love for the project. I think I started during 2.6 and bough

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Hi Maria, Maria Morisot wrote on Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 03:10:46PM +0600: > I see there are two types of donation receivers, the project and the > foundation. What is the difference between how the money is spent > between the two. How the money is *spent* is not not the main difference between t

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On 16-08-20 19:24:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > It was mentioned in another post that sales of the OpenBSD CD's > > loses money. > > The effort expended vs payout received is probably on par with the > newspaper route I operated at age 16. > > I could be doing far better things than making CDs. >

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It is all described here: http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html

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56 -0400 > From: t...@parlementum.net > To: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: donations > > That works very differently as far as taxes go. Theo would have to start reporting > it as income if Canada works like the US, and things are interesting from there. > > On Sun, Aug 21, 20

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exibility to use what you need >> for your own support and if there is any excess, you can send it to the >> Foundation. >> >> >>> From: dera...@openbsd.org >>> To: ed...@pettijohn-web.com >>> CC: misc@openbsd.org >>> Subject: Re: donations >

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From: dera...@openbsd.org > > To: ed...@pettijohn-web.com > > CC: misc@openbsd.org > > Subject: Re: donations > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:24:10 -0600 > > > > > It was mentioned in another post that sales of the OpenBSD CD's > > > loses money

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it to the Foundation. > From: dera...@openbsd.org > To: ed...@pettijohn-web.com > CC: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: donations > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:24:10 -0600 > > > It was mentioned in another post that sales of the OpenBSD CD's > > loses money.

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> It was mentioned in another post that sales of the OpenBSD CD's > loses money. The effort expended vs payout received is probably on par with the newspaper route I operated at age 16. I could be doing far better things than making CDs. For 20 years I really had no other choice. > Would it be

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Why not just set up a recurring Paypal donation? Even $20/mo should help, if enough people do it. -James Shupe

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This is from the Electricity thread but seems on point: > Dear Misc, > > In re electricity, please do one of the following: > > 1.Send money. > 2.Convince OTHER PEOPLE to send money. This next bit is important, and is being overlooked again: > 3.Stop summoning the Good Idea Fairy t

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On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Eric Furman wrote: > On Fri, Aug 15, 2014, at 02:02 AM, Bernte wrote: > > On 14/08/14 16:14, Nicolai wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: > > >> Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to > the > > >> OpenB

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On Fri, Aug 15, 2014, at 02:02 AM, Bernte wrote: > On 14/08/14 16:14, Nicolai wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: > >> Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the > >> OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (fro

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On 14/08/14 16:14, Nicolai wrote: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: >> Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the >> OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from >> the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD

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We know... ;) Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Aug 2014, at 16:14, Nicolai wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: >> Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the >> OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from >> th

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Hahaha, lol!! Yes peter :) Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Aug 2014, at 10:17, Peter Hessler wrote: > > options: > > 1) cash in envelope, put into mail > 2) bank cheque in envelope, put in mail > 3) suck it up, and stop caring about the middle man's cut > 4) bank transfers (also: see #3) > 5) fly

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2014-08-14 19:13 GMT+02:00 Theo de Raadt : > Which then get shared, and reproduced by any asshole company on the > net, much like ixsoft.de has been doing for years? ? ixsoft.de is still listed as reseller on http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html Did I miss something? Best Martin

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On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Daniel Villarreal wrote: > It means "Producer," or "maker" also "manufacturer" ... -- "Don't eat anything you've ever seen advertised on TV" - Michael Pollan, author of "In Defense of Food"

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It means "Producer," or "maker" If you do a search, you will see that they sell a lot of OpenBSD stuffare they or are they not selling official merchandise? I'd like to hear what German OpenBSD users think of the situation. If they're too busy, let me know. Daniel Villarreal On Thu, Aug 14,

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>> Another idea I guess with next to no work- high res copies of the >> stickers, paid for download at CD price. > Which then get shared, and reproduced by any asshole company on the > net, much like ixsoft.de has been doing for years? I did a quick check out of curiosity and there they are, Open

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> Another idea I guess with next to no work- high res copies of the > stickers, paid for download at CD price. Which then get shared, and reproduced by any asshole company on the net, much like ixsoft.de has been doing for years? > To fund the project yes but CD's are THE? route to fund Theo's on

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previously on this list Nicolai contributed: > The OpenBSD Foundation. > > http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html > > Theo has mentioned it several times this year as being the preferred > route. It's as simple as possible. Another idea I guess with next to no work- high res copies of

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On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: > Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the > OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from > the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD people the highest > degree of freedom

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Greetings. On 2014 Aug 14, at 01:10, Worik Stanton wrote: > Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation > into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same > place. I'd buy that. It would be better quality than the (often) crap > O'Reilly sell, an

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options: 1) cash in envelope, put into mail 2) bank cheque in envelope, put in mail 3) suck it up, and stop caring about the middle man's cut 4) bank transfers (also: see #3) 5) fly to canada with a suitcase of money 6) bank transfers to the EUROPEAN bank 7) OpenBSD Foundatation On 2014 Aug 14

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We've found this strangely difficult to do also.. Just want to donate, don't want stuff in return, don't want middle men taking a cut.. On 14/08/14 09:59, Janne Johansson wrote: Talk to www.openbsdeurope.com, which happens to be in the UK. I'm sure they can arrange for donations in a simple-fo

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Talk to www.openbsdeurope.com, which happens to be in the UK. I'm sure they can arrange for donations in a simple-for-you way even if you don't need a product back. 2014-08-14 8:16 GMT+02:00 Bernte : > On 14/08/14 01:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >> How does it compare for using the SWIFT method o

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On 14/08/14 01:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> How does it compare for using the SWIFT method outlined on the website? > > The SWIFT donations go to the Project. That is spent on things which > the Foundation doesn't pay for. Gee - CDs, T-Shirts, Project, Foundation - all this discussion starts to c

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Seems pretty easy to make donations. Send money. Don't want a CD? OK, Send money. The documentation is already provided, the FAQ is an excellent codicil to the man pages. No need for a PDF really. There is a clear need for money. Demonstrate your willingness and interest to contribute by ...

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Then buy the damn CD and have it shipped to Theo. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Worik Stanton wrote: > I changed the subject line > > On 14/08/14 10:52, Eric Furman wrote: > > Fine, buy a T-shirt, but realize that only a small fraction of the cost > > actually goes to OpenBSD. When you b

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I just donated money to pay for the developer's time in responding to this useless thread. =P Theo de Raadt: >> Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation >> into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same >> place. I'd buy that. It would be bett

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On 8/13/14, Worik Stanton wrote: > On 14/08/14 11:45, patrick keshishian wrote: >> You can do what I do. I purchase the CDs but request >> the vendor not to send me the actual, physical CDs. That's >> my preferred donation method. > > Cool. Where does the money all go in that case? Definitely th

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> Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation > into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same > place. I'd buy that. It would be better quality than the (often) crap > O'Reilly sell, and I buy that. We should do more... Then you'll give us more

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On 14/08/14 11:55, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Well OBVIOUSLY CDs accumulate more revenue than T-shirts, so recently > we've not made any T-shirts because it isn't worth it, the setup costs > and overheads are higher than the number sold. If you guys don't buy > enough of them, then we don't do the set

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> On 14/08/14 11:45, patrick keshishian wrote: > > You can do what I do. I purchase the CDs but request > > the vendor not to send me the actual, physical CDs. That's > > my preferred donation method. > > Cool. Where does the money all go in that case? Definitely the most > simple option so far.

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On 14/08/14 11:45, patrick keshishian wrote: > You can do what I do. I purchase the CDs but request > the vendor not to send me the actual, physical CDs. That's > my preferred donation method. Cool. Where does the money all go in that case? Definitely the most simple option so far. How does it

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>Respectfully I find that a bit offensive. Ask me for a donation if you >want. But do not expect me to by an object to be manufactured, shipped >1/3 of the way around the globe and then I'll through it in the trash. >Not cool at all. Then find another way to ensure that OpenBSD persists in the f

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On 8/13/14, Worik Stanton wrote: > I changed the subject line > > On 14/08/14 10:52, Eric Furman wrote: >> Fine, buy a T-shirt, but realize that only a small fraction of the cost >> actually goes to OpenBSD. When you buy a CD the vast majority >> of the cost goes to OpenBSD. Who cares whether

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On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: > Err, that's supposed to be essential liberty and temporary security. > > Any society that *doesn't* give up at least a little liberty is anarchy and > Franklin was not, to my knowledge, an anarchist. It seems that You consider killing people o

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On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: > Does publicly accusing Paypal of defamation before a trial finds > Paypal guilty count as defamation? It works for crimes with certain punishment margins. Accusing PayPal of killing peaple, spying or frauding may be brought to court. Accusing

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> This is my source: > That states "This quotation is at least partly spurious" :) Julf

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2010/12/12 Johan Helsingius : > Jasper, > >> Imho this Thomas Jefferson quote is better suited for the subject. ;-) > > http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp > This is my source: -- We spend the first twelve mo

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Jasper, > Imho this Thomas Jefferson quote is better suited for the subject. ;-) http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp Julf

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2010/12/10 Leonardo Rodrigues : > To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin (an american! diplomat!): > > "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little > security will deserve neither and lose both." Imho this Thomas Jefferson quote is better suited for the subject. ;-) "If the American

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2010/12/10 Stuart VanZee : > I would have to agree that the people of the United States have lost > some of their essential libertys. The problem has been in defining what > exactly ARE the essential libertys and then getting our congress and our > president to keep their mitts off of them. Still

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> Err, that's supposed to be essential liberty and temporary security. > > Any society that *doesn't* give up at least a little liberty > is anarchy and > Franklin was not, to my knowledge, an anarchist. > > On Dec 10, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues > > wrote: > > > To paraphrase Benjamin Fr

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Err, that's supposed to be essential liberty and temporary security. Any society that *doesn't* give up at least a little liberty is anarchy and Franklin was not, to my knowledge, an anarchist. On Dec 10, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues wrote: > To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin (an american

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To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin (an american! diplomat!): "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

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On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > Untill one is found guilty by court, any public occusations against him are > considered defamation (criminal activity on it's own). > > So, according to legal regulations PayPal's activity towards Wikileaks account > should be brought t

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On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 19:53:54 + Miod Vallat wrote: > > > Meaning, if you kill a cow in this life, you come back > > > as a cow and someone can kill you. > > > > Time to start eating humans instead ;-) > > > Please don't. It's difficult enough to get healthy young children for > breakfast tho

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> > Meaning, if you kill a cow in this life, you come back > > as a cow and someone can kill you. > > Time to start eating humans instead ;-) > Please don't. It's difficult enough to get healthy young children for breakfast those days, I don't need competition. Miod

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On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:42:00 -0800 Mehma Sarja wrote: > Meaning, if you kill a cow in this life, you come back > as a cow and someone can kill you. Time to start eating humans instead ;-)

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On 10 December 2010 03:42, Mehma Sarja wrote: > On 12/9/10 4:54 AM, Chandrakant Kumar wrote: >> >> On Thursday 09 December 2010 05:39 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: >>> >>> On 05/12/10 23:04, Adam M. Dutko wrote: > > I hope that one day due process is denied you. > I am wondering

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On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:42:00 -0800 Mehma Sarja wrote: > That's why Americans call cowburgers hamburgers, for fear of > repercussions from the holy land. But seriously, re-incarnation takes > care of all that. Meaning, if you kill a cow in this life, you come > back as a cow and someone can kill

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On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 06:15:50PM +0100, Bret S. Lambert wrote: > > you come back as a cow > ^^^ > I thought it was a toilet brush? > > You just can't trust reincarnation this life. In my former life I used to believe in reincarnation, but now I know it's bullshit.

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> you come back as a cow ^^^ I thought it was a toilet brush? You just can't trust reincarnation this life.

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On 12/9/10 4:54 AM, Chandrakant Kumar wrote: On Thursday 09 December 2010 05:39 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: On 05/12/10 23:04, Adam M. Dutko wrote: I hope that one day due process is denied you. I am wondering what type of due process should be granted to these individuals. What basis/ju

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On Thursday 09 December 2010 05:39 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: On 05/12/10 23:04, Adam M. Dutko wrote: I hope that one day due process is denied you. I am wondering what type of due process should be granted to these individuals. What basis/jurisdiction of law are we talking about? Natu

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On 05/12/10 23:54, Fred Elwood wrote: --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Theo de Raadt wrote: From: Theo de Raadt Subject: Re: Donations To: "Fred Elwood" Cc: misc@openbsd.org Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 1:42 AM PayPal's terms of use do not permit soliciting crime. Paypal

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On 05/12/10 23:04, Adam M. Dutko wrote: I hope that one day due process is denied you. I am wondering what type of due process should be granted to these individuals. What basis/jurisdiction of law are we talking about? Natural human rights? US law? International Law? I'm just wondering beca

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> > Untill one is found guilty by court, any public occusations against him are > > considered defamation (criminal activity on it's own). > > So you have to pay for due process? Why? Either I don't understand Your point, or You don't understand mine. You don't have to pay to report a crime to ent

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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Philippe Meunier wrote: > Still off-topic but in light of the current Wikileaks brouhaha the > following press statement from the US Department of State is quite > funny (unintentionally, I assume): > > http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/12/152465.htm > > "U.S.

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Still off-topic but in light of the current Wikileaks brouhaha the following press statement from the US Department of State is quite funny (unintentionally, I assume): http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/12/152465.htm "U.S. to Host World Press Freedom Day in 2011 [...] we are concerned about t

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2010/12/7 ropers : >> 2010/12/5 Theo de Raadt : >>> Such an American viewpoint. > > On 7 December 2010 08:02, fqui nonez wrote: >> Well, revising old documents, the word America was not used by the >> Government of US; but after I and II world war; when Europeans >> properly used America to refer

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Which sucks because I was ver pro-sweedish women! Damn it all to hell... On Dec 7, 2010 5:19 PM, "Clint Pachl" wrote: > Jason Crawford wrote: >> Better add Visa to the list as well >> > > And Swiss banks and Swedish women. :-)

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Jason Crawford wrote: Better add Visa to the list as well And Swiss banks and Swedish women. :-)

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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Jason Crawford wrote: > Better add Visa to the list as well > > http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/12/07/wikileaks_17/ yep | MasterCard and Visa have cut off support for | WikiLeaks. They claimed WikiLeaks breaches its | rules, but you can still use those

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Better add Visa to the list as well http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/12/07/wikileaks_17/ On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > In the future, if people can show preference for the non-Paypal > transaction methods when they donate, we would appreciate that over > Paypal. >

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What you don't realize is that when paypal "locks accounts" they effectively seize the money because you cannot get it out of the FDIC registered banks that they have placed it. You can't, until you file to get it back. You need to do more research. Perhaps. But if this is true, it is

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On 7 December 2010 07:36, fqui nonez wrote: > In fact, the people in El Salvador who were responsible to assassinate > 80,000 persons; were trained at La escuela de las Americas in US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Americas Note the cute renaming and attempted post-hoc legitimization

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2010/12/5 Theo de Raadt : >> Ever head of Don Quixote? THe moral of the storey - pick the battles you >> have a chance of winning and avoid the rest. > > Such an American viewpoint. Well, revising old documents, the word America was not used by the Government of US; but after I and II world war;

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2010/12/5 L. V. Lammert : > On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > >> > On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >> > I agree totally that there are a lot of idiots running parts of the US >> > system, but at least they ARE predictable. >> >> Being predictable is just not enough. Har

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2010/12/5 Adam M. Dutko : >> > Are you planning on having the OpenBSD development team perform some >> > sort of illegal activity soon? >> > >> > If not, you shouldn't be worried about Paypal. >> > > You're discussing intent. Intent is a tricky thing that in the past lawyers > had to jump through

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> > PayPal's terms of use do not permit soliciting crime. Wikileaks > > solicits the > > holders of US security clearances to violate their > > non-disclosure agreements. > > That is a crime. > > Soliciting crimes is criminal activity, and therefor to be acted upon needs to > be proved in court.

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> PayPal's terms of use do not permit soliciting crime. Wikileaks > solicits the > holders of US security clearances to violate their > non-disclosure agreements. > That is a crime. Soliciting crimes is criminal activity, and therefor to be acted upon needs to be proved in court. Untill one is

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This thread is a great shibboleth, because it brings out the douchebags. I have bookmarked this page, for future reference, for the purposes of douchebag identification. Thanks, --ropers

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On 7 December 2010 02:42, Joe Barnett wrote: > On 12/5/10 5:11 PM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: >> >> if nothing else think about the charges they put on every transaction: you sell something on ebay, they charge you; you process their payment through paypal (ebay) they charge you again. they're clea

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> But things are not free. It takes commerce to produce nearly every > material good, as distasteful as that might be to some people. It > is called business. No one is forcing anyone to use ebay or paypal. > If anyone wants to play in their marketplace, however, they must > play by the esta

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On 12/5/10 5:11 PM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > > if nothing else think about the charges they put on every transaction: you > sell something on ebay, they charge you; you process their payment through > paypal (ebay) they charge you again. they're clearly ripping us all us all > off - fact! an

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This is Theo's list so he can say anything he likes, but like any thread like this just stop feeding it. This thread benefits no one. Not Theo. Not Wikileaks Nobody. On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 18:42 -0700, "Theo de Raadt" wrote: > > PayPal's terms of use do not permit soliciting crime. > > Paypal's ter

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http://sowhyiswikileaksagoodthingagain.com/

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On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 11:10:06AM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > Theo de Raadt writes: >> If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US >> managed news, and need to much much more informed > > If this is in reference to Wikileaks, it's because Paypal believes that > W

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* L. V. Lammert (l...@omnitec.net) wrote: > Have you ever tried to read the TOS? Any such organization with unlimited > legal resources can do whatever the wish - as long as it's not contrary to > the current legal winds, they will get away with it. In a legal sense yes. In a business sense, hopef

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On Dec 4, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> On Dec 4, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >>> If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US >>> managed news, and need to much much more informed >> >> It's in the US news. Even the mainstream news on TV. At leas

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On 6 December 2010 02:42, Theo de Raadt wrote: > The account was being run by the German charity WHS. Since it took me a while to find out who they are -- maybe others will appreciate the pointer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wau_Holland_Foundation

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2010/12/6 Fred Elwood : > PayPal did not terminate Wikileaks for committing a crime, but for using > PayPal in support of their soliciting crimes (unlawful disclosure/conveyance Where's the court sentence deciding that Wikileaks is soliciting crimes?

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--- On Mon, 12/6/10, Theo de Raadt wrote: > From: Theo de Raadt > Subject: Re: Donations > To: "Fred Elwood" > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 1:42 AM > > PayPal's terms of use do not > permit soliciting crime. > > Payp

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On 12/4/10 9:25 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > In the future, if people can show preference for the non-Paypal > transaction methods when they donate, we would appreciate that over > Paypal. > > Since the projects hackathons (and many other things) are very much > funded by donations, it is hard for u

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> I hope that one day due process is denied you. > I am wondering what type of due process should be granted to these individuals. What basis/jurisdiction of law are we talking about? Natural human rights? US law? International Law? I'm just wondering because I think it's critical to the whole

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> PayPal's terms of use do not permit soliciting crime. Paypal's terms of use are just that; terms of use. The account was being run by the German charity WHS. Noone has said that wikileaks has commited a crime. What statute are you talking about? > Wikileaks > solicits the > holders of US sec

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On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:38 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > >> > On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >> > I agree totally that there are a lot of idiots running parts of the US >> > system, but at least they ARE predictable. >> >> Being predict

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PayPal's terms of use do not permit soliciting crime. Wikileaks solicits the holders of US security clearances to violate their non-disclosure agreements. That is a crime. Some people think it should not be a crime. But it is. Some people think that it matters that WIkileaks says that they do n

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On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:38:09 -0600 (CST) "L. V. Lammert" wrote: > Ever head of Don Quixote? THe moral of the storey - pick the battles you > have a chance of winning and avoid the rest. Operation Chariot - Where british commandos accomplished an impossible mission, with the help of code breakers,

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On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Ever head of Don Quixote? THe moral of the storey - pick the battles you > > have a chance of winning and avoid the rest. > > Such an American viewpoint. > It was intended to be common sense. I'll be the first to agree that some of the companies here in

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On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 04:38:09PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > > > > On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > > I agree totally that there are a lot of idiots running parts of the US > > > system, but at least they ARE predictable. > > >

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