can then copy that URL by pressing VO-Shift-c which copies the last
> spoken phrase to the clipboard.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
> On 31 May 2012, at 22:49, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> That's one thing I miss from the Windows and Linux browsers, the
>> abil
What is the easiest way to revert a document while using Text Edit and
VoiceOver? When I choose File -> Revert, I get the dialog with a
button for revert to most recent save and another button for viewing
all past versions. the problem I have is viewing past versions. At
least when I tried this,
e the develop menu turned on by
>> checking the "Show Develop Menu in menu bar" checkbox in the Advanced
>> section of preferences. In that menu is a Disable JavaScript option. With
>> that checked option+enter worked as expected. Just had to remember to turn
>&
Any ideas on how to do this with VoiceOver? Saw no replies to original message.
On 6/4/12, Steve Holmes wrote:
> What is the easiest way to revert a document while using Text Edit and
> VoiceOver? When I choose File -> Revert, I get the dialog with a
> button for revert to most rec
I'm fairly new to the Mac world but I had been exposed to the concept
of interacting from previous podcasts and discussions. So I didn't
really have that much trouble with the concept of interacting. But
that doesn't help your student. What I learned concerning interacting
is when using the VO a
Furthermore, after disabling the placement of newest message first, if
you keep threading on you can move up and down in the message list and
notice a treeview with collapsed nodes for the thread. Just right
arrow on that node and the neoldest message in that thread should be
up first. I forget e
Anyone know how to revert a file while in Text Edit using VO? I asked
earlier but it would appear that noone has ever had to revert to a
prior version or something. I can't seem to find the older versions
in the list. Any ideas?
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The organization of mail boxes and folders in Mail is an interesting
challenge indeed. I while ago, I some how got some folders out of
wack and perhaps even into the wrong mail account. Anyway, I thought
things to be a big enough mess that I just deleted the entire mail
folder under ~/library but
One other big deal with interacting is generally at the lowest level,
you will be interacting with a text element at which you can spell the
word or words even letter by letter and that is often impossible at
upper levels of navigation.
On 6/6/12, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> There is no WRON
On 6/6/12, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> This is one way in which VO is a little bit awkward; that sometimes you have
> have to interact two levels down just to get to the ability to spell or
> phonetically sound out a word. I wish there was a "spell current word,"
> feature; I guess I could m
I think this is where the Duplicate file command comes in.
Unfortunately, they don't have a hot key assigned to this yet but you
can get there from the File submenu. When you choose that option, you
should be prompted for a new file name. As a side note, I heard a
lengthy conversation about "Save
the feature
> in Numbers though. I can't say if it works differently in other
> applications.
>
> -Greg
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>
>> I think this is where the Duplicate file command comes in.
>> Unfortunately, they don't have a ho
I had a similar problem earlier this month with the PDF files I
downloaded from Best Buy. One thing different from what Esther
suggested was once the URL was obtained from the header with
Command-L, I tried Option-Enter and that actually downloaded the file
for me. In my case these were PDF's and
I hate flash so much, I won't install it on any of my systems, regardless of
the operating system. Adobe writes such shotty software, full of security holes
and a11y problems! Just say "No."
On Jun 9, 2012, at 7:48 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote:
> Thanks so much, Tim. I did eventually think of hitti
Yes, I got some stuff messed up a while back and since I'm a bit of a geeky guy
and occasionally live dangerously, I went and deleted the entire mail folder in
~/library. then started over and none of any previous junk was around. You
might try that if you dare. Personally, I did it from the
If your list is very long or if you have a large number of mail box folders,
you may need to also add the shift key to these key combinations. Remember
that fn + VO + arrow keys will go to top and bottom of a list that is visible,
where including the shift key will get you to the absolute top
Silly question here, but this is the first time I've ever bought an OS or OS
upgrade through the Mac app store. I clicked the purchase button and followed
that with the Convirm purchase button. I now see a button that is dimmed but
says "Downloading." I can't see any progress bars or dialogs;
Matthew Campbell.
>
>
> On 2012-07-25, at 10:08 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>
>> Silly question here, but this is the first time I've ever bought an OS or OS
>> upgrade through the Mac app store. I clicked the purchase button and
>> followed that with the Convirm p
Actually, that didn't work for me. I wondered why that behavior
reverted on my setup recently. I had to move the mouse pointer on to
that vertical slider and double click the physical mouse to close the
preview pane permanently. With VO keys, I could position the mouse
with VO-Command-F5. I the
When you are on the message list pane or in the inbox, uninteract from
it and vo-right; you should hear vertical slider to the left of the
message list one to the right of it. After that, you should hear
something like message content group and then going further to the
right should yield a horriz
I just tried to use my RefreshaBraille 18 display this evening and it doesn't
work here anymore. First off, I had previously defined it under Lion and
successfully used it several times. Tonight after the ML install, it would
never connect. So then I removed the device from the bluetooth list
When I use Mail, I have the preview pane completely closed so for me to open
messages individually or a whole thread, I use Command-O to open a new window
and Command-W to close and return me to the message list. I did this in Lion
and I still do it in Mountain Lion.
On Jul 25, 2012, at 9:36 P
lose the preview pane? That could be an interesting way to go
> about it, but I also rather like seeing a preview of the message before I
> read it.
>
> Harry
>
> On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:38 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>
>> When I use Mail, I have the preview pane
had the thing with him down here,
>> and it was working great on LIon at that time, so who knows about M L
>> though. I hope it works, as if not, that'll be a deal breaker for him,
>> seeing that he's an interpretor/translator.
>>
>> Chris.
>&g
Dunno about getting rid of unwanted controls but what I do in the modern view
to hop between the mail box list and the list of messages is press VO-J; it
toggles me back and forth cleanly between these two lists. I have the preview
pane closed down completely so VO-J won't pop me in there.
On
t;> display, but I know for a definite it worked in Lion, as he just left here
>>> from out of town about two days ago, and had the thing with him down here,
>>> and it was working great on LIon at that time, so who knows about M L
>>> though. I hope it works, as if
Sorry for off topic post, but I can't seem to connect to twitter from
my iPod nor a windows browser here at work. either they are blocking
access to twitter at my office or twitter is down. any ideas?
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries
> Subject: Is Twitter Down?
>
> Sorry for off topic post, but I can't seem to
I've been seeing this too. I don't know why though.
On 7/26/12, Brandon Olivares wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just upgraded to Mountain Lion yesterday, and love it.
>
> But now, mail seems to see 1 message as a conversation, because sometimes it
> says, "1 message conversation collapsed disclosure triangl
l thing. I have a focus
> 40 which is not a Bluetooth. It is doing fine.
> Regards
> Gigi
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Harry Hogue wrote:
>
>> Hi, Steve,
>>
>> I am using a BrailleNote over here, and it works fine with blue
One wierd thing I noticed last night with Mail is the mailboxes that
VO says are at level zero had to be expanded or collapsed with
VO-backslash but the other boxes with higher level numbers could be
expanded and collapsed with right and left arrows like I always do.
It was just the top level (leve
ou all know.
>>>
>>> I wish Mountain Lion was available on a memory stick as I bought Lion on
>>> a
>>> stick from the Apple Store. Alas!
>>>
>>> Kawal.
>>>
>>> On 26 Jul 2012, at 02:01 PM, Steve Holmes
>>> wrote:
>>
a display,
> that display will not be allowed to work with any other device until
> the first device "lets go". That's my (limited) experience anyway.
>
> On 7/27/12, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> As a final update, I got the RB 18 to pair this morning. I'm not sure
Actually, I was able to mess with the size sliders a while back when I
partitioned a 2 TB external drive . I'm trying to remember exactly what I did
but I believe I interacted with the slider itself. It may have been awkward
but I was able to manipulate it just the same.
On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:
I converted from POP to IMAP quite some time ago as gmail implemented IMAP a
while after POP was going. Any messages you have on gmail's server will remain
probably in the All mail folder on gmail. I'm not quite sure on the computer
side; you might wanna backup that mail folder(s) separately.
Another approach I often use when there is a bunch of windows open like in the
finder, is to press VO-F2 twice and just move up and down the list of windows
and open the one I want. Sometimes I find this to be faster than rotoring
around with Command-` key.
On Jul 11, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Simon
I've used both Yorufukurou on the mac and Tweetlist on the iPod. I like
tweetlist better because it supports twit longer and tweet marker and
instapaper. These three features are missing from Yorofukurou. I really wish
the developer would integrate these. Presently, if I switch back and fort
I hear so much talk about VO-Spacebar not working on Mountain Lion. I haven't
experienced much of that at all here on my mac mini. I also am using a
bluetooth keyboard. I only recall running into that space bar issue once on a
web page in Safari. Everywhere else, it seems to work fine for me
I'm not sure what to say here. I use a conversation view and I explicitly
collapsed all threads to begin with and I use standard view with the preview
pane completely closed. I can arrow up and down the message list and use the
left and right arrows to collaps and expand conversations with no
I only use quick nav for web content in Safari or in help windows for apps. I
don't use it anywhere else.
On Jul 26, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Harry Hogue wrote:
> I thin this has been mentioned by another/or others, but now that I have
> stopped using Quick Nav, I am noticing only advantages. I am
Also, if the Braille display has an input keyboard, you can toggle speech on
and off by holding down the space bar and pressing the letter m (dots 1 3 4).
At least I can do this on my mac and iPod with my Refreshabraille.
On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> If you have keyboa
Can't answer your question about Pages but as for TimeMachine nothing should
change. It should just perk along like no change. After all, the file formats
didn't change and your data files like documents and music should continue to
be available like always. I would think however, that system
Sorry for such a late reply here but yes, I also use the Command-O to open the
message and close with Command-W. For me, VO-J toggles me back and forth
between the message table and the list of mailbox folders; that's perfectly
fine for me.
On Aug 1, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Ye
Hey, thanks for talking about the dashboard. I've had this mini since last
January and I never got into the dashboard. It just never occured to me to
even try it out. this looks like another barrel of monkeys to play with. I
didn't see a real easy way to exit a widget once opened. But I jus
Yes, Powernap is that new ML feature that will do some updates while your
computer is in sleep mode. I understand this will only be available with
machines with SSD drives so it is probably not available on Macs with spinning
hard drives and even if SSD installed, I think the machine needs to b
A couple things here. If you are reading this mail on other devices too like
your iPod or whatever, then you need to use IMAP all around. The second thing
would be to get on your iPhone or iPod and check the mail there; if the old
messages are still around on there, then they should still be a
I own docuscan plus too and I know while scanning docs from a scanner, you can
accumulate the pages into a single thing and save that on their cloud. From
there you could save it to your computer probably as an RTF file. What I'm not
sure of is if you can do "scan next page" with PDF scanning.
I have fairly limited experience with all of Safari but I have always used the
Commend-arrow keys to go back but I use tabs as much as possible. I believe
Safari under Mountain Lion does more with tabs instead of opening new windows.
I usually go back by pressing Command-w to close tab or wind
I have a question about the list of appointments possible in Calendar. On IOS
devices, you can see a full list view of all appointments, past and present in
a single view. I was thinking since Mountain Lion's approach in many apps is
more closely similar to their IOS counterparts,, that list c
;> of all when creating a new event, it seems like we are forced into
>> creating a quick event, but what if you want to be more detailed? When you
>> are finally able to interact with the inspector, I have noticed a focus
>> issue bug when selecting the time of the rem
It also happens quite a lot at the beginning when you just opened Mail and it
is updating and fetching from the IMAP server. Just best to sit and wait a bit
when you start up Mail.
On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I believe that this has to do with GMail and iMap. As
As far as I'm concerned, setting up the rules / filters on gmail is the only
way to go because I use IMAP and want the same configuration available on all
computers and mail clients that I use. Mail works fine with the separate
folders and I'm not finding a bunch of duplicate messages or any of
AM, Chris Moore wrote:
> That is the thing, the full list is present in the day view.
>
> I could understand if some of the table and row stuff was actually relevant,
> but you don't hear iOS reading it all out, and I can't find a way to switch
> it off.
> On 14 A
I see that no-one has so far discussed tables with you. While interacting
within a table in HTML content, use the VO-Arrow keys to move around in the
table. So to move up and down, hold down the VO keys and use up and down
arrows. That should move you down in the same column and not push back
I just checked my instance of Safari where I have two tabs open but only one
window. Pressing Ctrl-Tab does rotor me through the open tabs. Pressing VO-F2
twice opened the window chooser where only one window is showing. So I think
for this purpose, use Ctrl-Tab to move between open tabs in S
I'm not aware of any such wizard happening every time I open Text edit but then
again, I've left it running for some time so I have been just command-tabbing
into it. I haven't used the editor a lot lately so Haven't determined if there
is a way to change the default save directory.
On Aug 12,
I just thought I'd take a look at the View menu for my instance of Mail and
most of the options under Message Attributes are dimmed. I'm wondering when
these are really supposed to take effect. I tried this while I was sitting on
a single message in the message list table and interacted with i
Hey thanks for the mention of bookle. I haven't listened to Dr.
Carter's podcast but will have to check that out for sure. Now what
would be really nice would be iCloud integration between bookle on the
mac with ibooks on the IOS platform; then you could sync up book
libraries and bookmarks. But
I'm not sure about reverting your multiple selections; perhaps just
using the arrow keys without VO modifiers would do it. To clarify the
question of starting a multiple non contiguous selection, pressing
VO-Command Space the first time begins the mode but also unselects the
currently highlighted
Problem here is sandboxing. This means anything created in Textedit can only
be accessed by other machines running Textedit. Further problem here is
Textedit isn't available on IOS. So stuff created in Textedit can only be
shared by other macs.
I wish Sandboxing could be expanded to include
You might try some command line tools from the terminal with an admin
equipped user. Example:
type 'passwd USER' where USER is the ID you're trying to fix. You
should be prompted for a new user. Try entering a new password and
see if it takes OK. You won't get any messages if successful. Then
And for those with the Apple bluetooth keyboard or using Macbooks,
press FN along with VO-Shift-Left or right for home and end
respectively.
The only time I've experienced any cursor jumping in the message list
is when I reply to a message in this forum or other email lists that
turn back your rep
This sounds really cool! All he would need to do after that is set up
iCloud access so we could sync up our shows between the iToys and the
Mac. I would *LOVE* that.
On 8/20/12, Brian Fischler wrote:
> Hey Mark,
>
> I can confirm that indeed Downcast is working on a app for the mac, as
> they re
What I recall from my use of this on Linux is the "Solve CAPTCHA"
option can actually be found in the Tools menu. Is it not there in
the Mac version? I haven't done anything with this on the Mac yet.
On 8/20/12, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> Hi, all,
>
> I've gotten WebVisum installed with Firefox. No
First of all, I never have quick nav on while in anything that does
not use HTML so when using Yorufukurou, make sure quick nav is turned
off. Also, I had the same issues but when I uninteract with the list
of tweets, I can arrow up and down *without* VO modifiers I can then
act upon the right twe
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 01:33:23PM +, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
> the mac mini is a really nice system to go for but there are a few slight
> disadvantages here as a few users have noticed. one issue is that the mac
> mini when using voiceover needs access to a monitor. this is a hardware and
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 04:57:49PM +, chris hallsworth wrote:
> Thanks Lu, ar I see. Well the Mac Mini I will possibly pass on then
> if VO requires a monitor.
Well, the only issue I see without a monitor connected to the Mini is
you have to force VO back on with the Commend+F5 key after loggi
Being quite new to this mac stuff, I know very little about time
machine; is there any way to have time machine backup to a cloud
service like Carbonite or something? I know you can use a local hard
disk or whatever but I think I would prefer a remote store for better
security. Is this possible?
I've only been on the mac a few weeks now and that means I haven't
seen any other OS but for Lion. I thought I could always see the
library folder you speak of here. Now my primary user account is
still admin based; haven't set it down to standard user yet. Dunno if
that makes a difference or no
Surprisingly, when I did a re-install using the recovery partition, it
did use my previous system settings so it went on to my wireless LAN
without incident. Since this was a first for me, I was very
pleasantly surprised and shocked that the recovery partition would
include VO; usually such enviro
I find with gmail and IMAP, the best way to "Delete" messages for good
is to Move them to Trash while in a mail client. Yes, there is a
delete function on the web site which actually deletes messages (if
trueth be known, it moves them to trash too). Anyway, that's what I
do in mutt, thunderbird,
Trash to truely be rid of them.
On 2/6/12, Chris Westbrook wrote:
> That's weird, I'm using imap with gmail and when I delete a message thread,
> not sure where it goes lol but it is gone from my mailbox at least.
> On Feb 6, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>
>>
> > 1. Do I need to have a nomitor connected?
>> > 2. If so does it need to have power applied and if so does it
>> need to actually be turned on?
>> >
>> > 3. without a monitor how does the accessibility change? Does the
>> screen
Due to my newness to the mac, I can't compare with prior versions of
OS X but one observation I do concur with is the lack of focus to the
desktop when VO is started. I found a work-around for that one though
and I never suffer that one anymore. I added at least one item to my
list of items to la
more mysterious.
> Missy
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Slow boot time with
I just installed Dropbox this afternoon on my new mac mini. I thought
it installed OK and it even synced up my files from the host but now I
constantly get "Finder busy" all the time whenever I open *ANY* window
in the finder! At this point, the Finder is completely useless while
the Dropbox app i
I have a similar problem when I reboot, I have to turn my function
keys back on to software instead of the default hardware. this is
when I use a blue tooth keyboard. I don't think it was a problem with
my wired keyboard but when I started using an Apple blue tooth
keyboard, this started happenin
Another thing that would free up at least one port would be to try
using a blue tooth keyboard. I don't know what kind of mouse you're
using but I believe the magic trackpad is a blue tooth, isn't it? if
so, try that and you can free up two ports. Just a thought.
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:41:28
he time no matter what folder I try and go into.
Reminder: as soon as I kill or disable dropbox from running, it gets
all good again.
Any other ideas?
On 2/12/12, Steve Holmes wrote:
> I just installed Dropbox this afternoon on my new mac mini. I thought
> it installed OK and it even synced
Sorry for butting in here but I think she has an outstanding delivery
already in the system and she is trying to modify that. If I'm right,
there would be no shopping cart involved. Christine, am I
interpreting this correctly?
Esther, I really appreciate your detailed explanations I've been
seei
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 06:23:33PM -0600, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> Do you have the mac mini connected to a monitor, if not, it may cause this
> kind of behavior, the monitor does not need to be turned on, just connected.
No, I don't have one. I purposely didn't buy one because I didn't
want to spend
On 2/14/12, Chris Blouch wrote:
> So have you removed dropbox in the Users & Groups Login Items list? That
> would at least solve the immediate problem. The Mini to VGA to NTSC
> converter still seems to do the job until Apple gets a fix in.
Yes, that's exactly what I did; that's how I isolated t
Being new to the Mac and all, just what format does Pages support? I
mean, are the documents compatible with MS Office or OpenOffice or
LibreOffice? Or is Pages yet another proprietary format of documents?
I'm curious because I've begun proofreading some RTF documents from
Bookshare and I can't see
That's interesting about this product because I found the 3.5.0
version in Linux to work a little better for me than its prior
versions. I like it in Linux but I'm sorry to hear that it is poor in
Macdum. Thanks for the bug report reference; I may follow that bug
myself also.
On Wed, Feb 15, 201
The full size keyboard I have *DOES* have an FN key; it is in the
upper left corner of the 'nine pack' of keys just above the 4 arrow
keys. The FN key is still needed to overide the default hardware uses
of some of the function keys like F1 thru F4. Now, you can go into
the system preferences und
What are people using these days for office productivity like word
processing, spreadsheets, etc.? I am aware of iWork but I thought Open
Office or probably now, Libreoffice would be even better. Which of
these solutions ore most accessible now days. I heard some old
podcasts recently where Open
h better for that.
>
> I can't compare Pages to Word on a PC because I've never used a PC.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>
> On 23 Feb 2012, at 01:58, Steve Holmes wrote:
>
> > What are people using these days for office productivity like w
I'm looking for a single hot key to open a link to a new tab instead
of replacing the current window. right now, I use Shift-VO-m to open
a context menu and then choose 'open in new tab.' Is there a single
key to do this like VO-Space?
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Yeah and additionally, I learned on one of these lists that VO won't
turn back on automaticdally at login time unless a monitor is
connected. My communications with Apple support was all by phone but
I did get a phone acknoledgement that their engineers were able to
reproduce this problem and indi
Newbie question here... What do you need for a server to work with
Expandrive? Does it merely use something like sshfs or sftp? I have a
linux machine sitting at my permanent residence, over $800 miles from
where I'm staying right now and the main way I connect to it now is
via ssh sessions. and f
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:01:31AM -0500, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think you press command enter or, command shift enter. Someone please
> correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes, it's Command-Enter. I just tried it. Thanks for the
suggestion. This is much better. I like tab browsing and use
>From what I've seen so far, I haven't had any discrepencies with files
and directories but I did only see one context menu option on the
dropbox folder; that was for going to the dropbox website. No thanks,
I don't like their website much. I wish there were more options on
the folder. Dunno if
I'm not in front of my Mac just now so I will have to guess the exact
path but the folder you are asking about definitely exists and I use
it all the time.
I believe it is something like Music/iTunes/iTunes media/Add to iTunes.
I might not be exact on the path but the folder you want for sure is
c
I also like this method of quickly going through a series of messages
in a thread. Only problem I have from time to time is when people have
images attached to their messages. It breaks my rhythm because I then
have to interact extra times in order to get back into the message
itself. I always get
Yes, with serious bugs like this by all means, contact the a11y folks
at Apple. I've had them tell me several times that the more pings they
get the higher priority a problem is given. I haven't upgraded to
Mavericks yet so cannot report this one yet. The other improvements
make it sound like I can
Ever since I upgraded to Mavericks, I've been seeing some unpleasant behavior
by Safari. Allow me to explain what I'm getting here.
I have Safari open and running with maybe one or two tabs open.
I then go into Yorufukurou to read through some tweets; I then hit the letter l
to open a link. I w
With the 10.9.2 changes, gmail works a lot better now. I just upgraded to
Mavericks and after a very long sync, I think Mail.app is working OK for me. I
find it to be more sluggish than before but at least workable.
On Mar 6, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> I can't help with Gmail, except
If you want to see all events over a longer period of time, You first need to
go down to a particular day. It doesn't matter, just open a day view. then
double tap the list button. All scheduled and past events will show up in a
vertical list. double tap the list button again to turn this off an
isen Lord.
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> Cheryl
>>>
>>> May the words of my mouth
>>> and the meditation of my heart
>>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>>>
>>>
Another thing that you can look at is absolutely free on every Mac. From the
Terminal app, look at sqlite3 the man page explains how to use it. Yeah, this
is on the geeky side and may not really meet your needs but it appears to be a
good SQL based system that is freely available.
I think I wil
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