Sorry for such a late reply here but yes, I also use the Command-O to open the message and close with Command-W. For me, VO-J toggles me back and forth between the message table and the list of mailbox folders; that's perfectly fine for me.
On Aug 1, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes. Once the Preview Pane is gone, the VO-j jumping has nowhere to jump as > the message is not visible. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On 2012-08-01, at 9:20 AM, Harry Hogue <harryhog...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Tim, >> >> I successfully got rid of it in standard view; thank you very much. I >> notice now, whoever, that I am unable to VO-J to read the message, and need >> to either press enter or cmd+O to open the message, interact with the text >> area, then press cmd-W to close the message. Is this the best way to get >> around the messages without the preview pane? >> >> Thanks much, >> >> Harry >> >> On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Harry, >>> >>> I'll paste in here my instructions I posted in a different thread with the >>> steps you can use to get rid of the Preview Pane in Mountain Lion Mail. >>> >>> 1. Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout: >>> >>> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages >>> table. >>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed). This will bring the mouse to the VO >>> cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal >>> Splitter". >>> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the >>> top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom. Make sure in this case that >>> you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will >>> work. >>> >>> 2. Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout: >>> >>> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages >>> Column Group. >>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO >>> cursor. It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed >>> to do. >>> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the >>> left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release. As >>> in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that >>> the dragging process will occur. >>> >>> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter >>> and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. >>> Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option. >>> >>> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked. Firstly, you can >>> navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about >>> "Message Content Area", life is good. >>> >>> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure. In >>> Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the >>> "New Mailbox Action" menu. You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one >>> after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about. Once you've >>> located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down. Vo >>> will announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear. In non-Classic >>> layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages >>> Column Group and Interact with it. Press VO-right and VO will announce >>> "Collapsed" if the Preview pane is gone. >>> >>> HTH. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On 2012-08-01, at 1:23 AM, Harry Hogue <harryhog...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Anne, >>>> >>>> Wow -- I just now switched to classic view to see the differences, and it >>>> is unnerving. I think I will keep standard view for now but will try and >>>> move the preview panel. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Harry >>>> >>>> On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:11 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Harry, >>>>> >>>>> You need to get rid of the preview panel. That will stop Mail from >>>>> opening every message you land on. I'm unable to help you with how to do >>>>> this for two reasons: I haven't yet upgraded to Mountain Lion and I use >>>>> Classic View in Mail. >>>>> >>>>> However, if you can find the horizontal splitter between the headers and >>>>> the body of the message, bring the mouse and double click using the >>>>> trackpad and it might just work. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Anne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1 Aug 2012, at 05:58, Harry Hogue wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, guys, >>>>>> >>>>>> I've never changed my Mail preferences at all from when Mail came with >>>>>> my computer on Snow Leopard, and I haven't changed it for Mountain Lion, >>>>>> either. When I move to a message or a message thread, the message I am >>>>>> focused on becomes read, so that VoiceOver will read something like, >>>>>> "Two message conversation collapsed Triangle, John Smith, The subject >>>>>> here, two conversation message collapsed disclosure triangle, Jane Doe, >>>>>> subject here." I hope this isn't too confusing. it's kind of hard to >>>>>> explain. Basically it marks the current message as read and repeats all >>>>>> of the thread information a second time, replacing the information with >>>>>> the next name in the thread. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does this make sense? I think this topic has been covered before, but I >>>>>> don't remember under what thread or what to search for. Help is >>>>>> appreciated. 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