That's interesting about the Adobe plugin.  I guess I never installed
it or something because I was able to read those PDF manuals with no
problem in preview.  I also appreciate the other comments about
Shift-VO-M not working well in Safari; wasn't aware of that being a
problem.  I'll have to keep the mouse clicking idea around in the
future if this comes up again.  Seems we need a few work-arounds to
get the most out of Macs but well worth it once we know them all:).

On 6/4/12, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If you go into /Library/Internet PlugIns and Trash the Adobe PDF Preview
> PlugIn, Safari should assume to use the Preview app instead which normally
> is usable within Safari.  That doesn't fix the initial problem but does
> eliminate the inaccessible Adobe problem.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On 2012-06-04, at 1:01 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>> Maybe I missed it but I was able to navigate to the English link just fine
>> but hitting enter popped a new page and loaded the PDF which triggers the
>> inaccessible Adobe PDF plugin. So, I tried command+enter and option+enter
>> but both just popped a new window with the same inaccessible PDF plugin.
>> The only short way I could figure it out was to turn off Javascript and
>> the the option+enter worked. Whatever their JS does it breaks the link
>> downloading. To turn off JS, I usually have the develop menu turned on by
>> checking the "Show Develop Menu in menu bar" checkbox in the Advanced
>> section of preferences. In that menu is a Disable JavaScript option. With
>> that checked option+enter worked as expected. Just had to remember to turn
>> JS back on afterwards.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 6/1/12 8:56 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>>> Hi Esther,
>>>
>>> It didn't quite work for me as you described I found that I had to do
>>> Option+Return in order to get the link to download.  I also had to do the
>>> Command+L step from within the PDF view; I was originally trying to do it
>>> by closing that PDF view first but that put the original page URL back in
>>> the address box.  Anyway, you gave some good tips there and I got what I
>>> wanted.  I will paste in the URL to the page I've been playing with.
>>>
>>> http://www.insigniaproducts.com/products/portable-audio-players/NS-CLHD01.html?supportTab=open
>>>
>>> It spreads over to a second line here on my machine.  With that page
>>> loaded, look for an H2 labeled Documentation.  The links immediately
>>> following are languages for the manuals.  It's those language links that
>>> you can have some fun with.
>>>
>>> On May 31, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Esther wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>
>>>> I've found some web pages, viewed with Safari, where you have to first
>>>> interact with the link before getting the options to download, etc.
>>>> with VO-Shift-M.  (One example is the Blind Cool Tech web site.)  And
>>>> I've found some other sites that are badly coded so that focus doesn't
>>>> bring you to the actual link position.  These might be cases where the
>>>> developer is using table formatting to achieve the visual layout, for
>>>> example, and so is  rendering the page in a way that does not comply
>>>> with web standards.  This is true, I think, the page where you can (or
>>>> rather, cannot) access the "Readability" bookmarklet.  However, in
>>>> every case where I've been able to display a PDF document or play an
>>>> mp3 file in the Safari browser or its Webkit equivalent, I've been
>>>> able to download the same file with the following two steps:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Navigate to the address bar of Safari with Command+L
>>>> 2. Press Return
>>>>
>>>> The first step highlights the URL in the address bar and then pressing
>>>> the "Return" key forces the downloading of the highlighted item,
>>>> similar to using Option+Return on a link.
>>>>
>>>> If I end up playing an mp3 file or displaying a PDF file in Safari,
>>>> I'll use the two steps given above to force a download of the file.
>>>> You do not have to wait for the entire file to download in Safari
>>>> before you issue your Command+L followed by a press of the "Return"
>>>> key to force a download.
>>>>
>>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Esther
>>>>
>>>> On May 31, 9:59 am, Steve Holmes<steve.holme...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>> I'm not sure further on the type of links these were except that
>>>>> hitting the return key along with any of the modifier keys like
>>>>> Option, Command, or any combination, would just pop me into the
>>>>> preview of that PDF.  I never saw that file down in my downloads
>>>>> folder.  It's like they just popped into a text rendering of that PDF
>>>>> like another web link.  Nothing was actually downloaded from what I
>>>>> could tell.  Another thought is maybe they sorta "streamed" the PDF?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/31/12, Ioana Gandrabur<igandra...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I have noticed tat sometimes the shortcut menu does not work for some
>>>>>> links
>>>>>> but have4 not found a reproducible situation I could report to apple.
>>>>>> I can just say that when you are on a link and hold down option and
>>>>>> press
>>>>>> enter it should download it. THe way to know if it does is to press
>>>>>> command
>>>>>> option l while in safari and tab to downloads list. OR go to your
>>>>>> downloads
>>>>>> folder and see if it is there. If this does not work I have no idea
>>>>>> why.
>>>>>> hth
>>>>>> IOana
>>>>>> Please check out my cd onwww.ioanagandrabur.comon iTunes and most
>>>>>> online
>>>>>> stores.
>>>>>> On May 31, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>>>>>>> I have two somewhat related questions here.
>>>>>>> 1. I've noticed that some links identified by VO as normal links,
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> not yield the typical context menu when I press Shift-VO-m; I just
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> the menu with 5 items and are all full page related.  But other
>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>> on the same page do work properly and will yield something like 9
>>>>>>> items with the typical link related choices.  The links that are
>>>>>>> giving me trouble are in a list from what I can tell.  This is on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Best Buy page describing the new accessible HD radio; I'm using Lion
>>>>>>> 10.7.4 along with latest Safari browser.
>>>>>>> 2. The links I refer to in item #1 point to a .pdf file but I can't
>>>>>>> seem to download it.  If I hit any of the enhancement keys like
>>>>>>> Shift,
>>>>>>> Option, or Command, plus the Return key, it just opens the PDF in a
>>>>>>> previewer.  I have the Safari preference to open files after
>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>> Unchecked so I should be able to download this PDF somehow.
>>>>>>> Any answers to either of these questions? What might I be missing
>>>>>>> here?
>>>>>
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