"battery pack behind the panel that the unit reminds you to test at least
once after installation"
With the Dynon the battery can be located just about anywhere within reason.
Don't put it ahead of the firewall. And the battery test is a yearly
requirement that the system keeps track of and if t
"Kens original is/was in the FAA building at Oshkosh on display."
That really would make a fantastic display. Ken's original surrounded by
Mike's, Roger's, and Robert's versions. With a gentle reminder "KR's - First in
Composites".
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
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"Stephen Teate, and other recently flying KR guys"
I really do wish this was true. I will keep this short. Getting the airplane to
the airport and discovering that the brakes are not "adequate" was
disappointing. I could control the airplane on the ground and bring it to a
stop but if I really
There has been some comment on this topic lately and I do like to add my two
cents when I have actual experience to share. This is one of areas of building
that a lot of us think about from the very first day. And while that is a good
idea you should do your best to try and make it one of the la
Hello Samuel,
As already mentioned a wing fence all around would probably be a good idea at
the transition but I think the biggest hurdle will be aligning the spars.
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"an alternative exit (through the canopy or fuselage with an axe?) "
Like a lot of KR's my canopy hinges to the front with air struts for support. I
would argue that this is just about the best way to get in and out of a KR in
the normal position. Once you have flipped over onto your back all b
All,
Some time ago there was a discussion about gluing pieces of foam together to
make a larger block that can then be sanded. For years I used the biggest
blocks I could find and used spots of five minute epoxy to join them together.
Then just hoped I didn't hit a glue spot. It worked but only
"How much will the Diehl gear legs deflect?"
I really am not trying to be a smart ass here but it depends on how bad your
landing is. In my particular case it was quite a lot. On my first first flight
my G meter recorded 2.4 during the "return to earth" portion of this flight. If
you would have
"One thing to remember West is not a structural epoxy. "
I am not sure what was meant to be said but there is a typo in here somewhere.
West System Epoxies are very much a structural epoxy. It is true that they were
originally designed for the marine application which can be even more stressfu
I think the decision of what kind of seat is every bit as important a decision
as to what resin or wood we use in our airplanes. I would say that there is
little argument as to the simplicity of the stock sling seat but if you are
going beyond that then it should require some real thought espec
This one is definitely on to do list. Several videos on YouTube also.
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http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/heatbarriers.php?clickkey=7730
I have used this material and it works very well. The aluminized surface
reflects the vast majority of heat and the fiberglass backing will insulate the
surface from the rest. The adhesive will not stick to a lot of thi
"maximum width that you can be without a permit is 8' 6""
I believe this is true in Texas too but does vary from state to state. However,
I will say that when you are transporting a plane down the highway it is
amazing at what people notice. I moved my Diehl casting outside of the
propeller sli
Netters,
I am very happy to report a new KR has been born. After an extremely long build
my DAR has confirmed that the thing in my hanger is in fact an airplane. A few
tweeks left to do, a short vacation, and it is off to the airport to start
testing. Thanks to all those who have helped me get
"What do you have for a check list for preflight, engine start up, in flight
emergencies, landing, shut down, and parking "
Good morning Ken,
These can be pretty airplane specific but I have attached the ones I created
for my plane. You will also find that they will need revising from time to
"aluminum or do a layup of glass and foam"
Luis,
That sounds kind of familiar. Because of my lack of experience and tools for
working aluminum I decided to make mine out of 1/4" aircraft plywood. I then
put a layer of glass on both sides with a silk weave on the front. You could
probably do th
"Which model servo is being used?"
Hello Jim,
It really depends on your geometry. I used the 7A for mine but I am also using
the plans recommended RC control arm. It is fairly small with multiple holes so
you can adjust the amount of travel the trim tab will have. I don't know if
there is a re
"the workmanship and attention to detail is simply exquisite"
I just returned from vacation in Germany and I wish I had known Mr. Furle was
that close to Munich. After looking at all his photos I only saw three things
that I might change and several which I wish I had incorporated. I believe tha
"When you glue on your turtle decks, both front and rear:"
Hello Henni,
This is obviously a choice for you to make but I would recommend that you make
at least these two components easily removable. The entire top of my airplane
is removable from the rear of the spinner to the rudder spars.
"I know this has nothing to do with KR aircraft"
Its Friday, thanks for posting Earl that was excellent. Some folks bucket list
airplane is the Mustang, I will take the Spitfire but only if the Dora 9 was
unavailable.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
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"How much bagger is the outlet area"
Hello Stef,
If you go with a fixed inlet and outlet your "flow" through the cowl will be
optimized for only one speed range. A lot of cowls have a variable outlet which
will also control the inlet. Variable inlets being harder to design. If you go
with a
"Air bubbles in the pumps can sometimes bias the mix ratio unless you check
every batch."
I have been using West System for at least the last ten years and I have never
experienced this. When you receive your epoxy and hardener, take it to your
place of use and put it on the table or where ever
"Personally, in a couple of years after I have retired, I might want to
consider it, especially if we can get a group flying down together."
Now that is an excellent idea!!
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
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If you ar
Was that ground speed or true? I think I would be bragging about that!
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> On Nov 5, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Kenneth Wiltrout via KRnet list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hey guys this morning I was going to fly to the Smoketown airport in
> Lancaster county Pa when I realized my GPS was
Way to go Gary, congratulations! Keep us posted with your Phase 1 progress.
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Paradise, Texas
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"If a person has Diehl wing skin's with the Raf 48 airfoil and mounted
AS5046 rib's, Will the skin's fit?"
Hello Don,
I have built my wings with the Diehl skins and my first reaction would be to
say no. The skins themselves are fairly flexible cord wise as far as airfoil
shape is concerned but
"The offer is only good through summer of 2017"
I swear to God this will be the absolute last deadline I have for my KR! Leave
the porch light on for me.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
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Joe,
I went the Subaru route and got quite far. If you are interested e-mail me
directly at steate at compositecooling.com and I will give you all the details.
Stephen
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Thanks for posting this Mark. Two weeks ago I flew commercial to Detroit. When
we took off from Midway we were climbing out into perfectly smooth air and
without any warning whatsoever we hit a bump that felt like I had driven over a
speed bump at seventy. But it was only one single bump. Noth
"Please contact me off net."
Clayton,
I have Subaru firewall forward set up that you MAY be interested in. If so
contact me off net at steate at compositecooling.com.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Tx
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Mike,
I have a stock KR-2 cowl that I intended to use as a start for my 2S but
changed my mind. If you are interested contact me off net at steate at
compositecooling.com.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
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Wow Wow Wow! Where do you think that quart (understatement) runs to after a
flight. Hasn't anyone ever seed the pan Larry uses for his tail wheel when he
puts it in the hanger? An 0-200 is just a four cylinder radial.
Sorry Larry, thought it was Friday.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
Now now L
"Is it worth the money?"
Hello Trevor,
Heck of a question! You might as well ask about sex, politics or religion. But
since you asked for opinions, I will give you mine.
I am a big fan of Turbo's so my point of view is somewhat biased. What you have
to do is determine how you intend to operat
One thing I didn't see mentioned here is to use extremely LOW pressure. One to
two pounds through a regulator. Don't think you will be fast enough to just
shoot a little in there. Otherwise your square tank will become streamlined. As
usual don't ask how I know this.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Tex
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> On Feb 22, 2015, at 5:24 PM, "Flesner via KRnet"
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Does anyone manufacture a ratcheting, open end wrench? If not someone needs
> to and I'd only ask 5 percent commission for the idea.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
> Be forewarned. Just like my ratcheting scre
"Now, this is mostly a car-hobbyist system"
If you are interested in this then look up SDS (Simple Digital Systems). One of
the first things you will see is aircraft applications even Reno. Two to eight
cylinders, normally aspirated or boosted, fuel injection or carbs, liquid or
air cooled, kno
"I thought a neat engine for the KR would be the Yamaha Genesis (Vector
snowmobile) engine."
So true Kevin. 4 stroke, dual overhead cams, up to 5 valves per cylinder,
available fuel injection. All they need is a turbo. Liquid cooled internal
combustion engines, getting smaller, making more po
"Has anyone got any tips on how best to attach it to the ply bulkhead."
Hello Peter,
I used stainless steel truss head sheet metal screws around the perimeter. Both
sides have the traditional piano hinge and the top has the full width (radius)
angle for the forward cowling so the only place I h
"I have posted to youtube the video of the KR flight with the camera on the
belly by the tailwheel. Twelve minutes of video was cut to three.
Enjoy..."
Awesome video Larry! It is amazing how much your belly barn door affects the
wind noise when it is first deployed. With the recen
...it simply must be modified to meet certain criteria, and the criteria for
most folks that are building a two-seater plane is that it be able to seat two
people...
This is so very true but width is not the only issue. If your tall, I am 6'5",
you will need to make it deeper too or you will
"what is the proper method to cut the control to size? "
Hello Alex,
I have a normal throttle cable, a vernier, and a ratcheting type cable control
that works great for vents. In all cases I just installed the cable where I
wanted it and marked the end where it needed to be cut. I then remove
" ulterior motives in targeting the McMinnville Gathering"
Since it is Friday let me see if I can get something started. About 180 miles
north of McMinnville is the Flying Heritage Collection Museum. It has the ONLY
model of the greatest propeller driven aircraft of WW2, the Focke-Wulf 190 D-13.
"Any bozo could bumble into a 7000' x 400' grass strip and make a good landing.
"
You obviously didn't see my touch and goes last weekend at KLUD!
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Paradise, Texas
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"Hi guys can anyone tell me if the Diehl wing skins for a 2 will fit an S? I
may have a chance at some with other parts thanks Mark"
They work just fine. If possible get the instructions and even the video, yes
video if the original owner still has them. If not let me know and I will see
if I
"unless of course you're Mark Langford"
Since it is Friday I have to add my shot to this. When I was doing my
preliminary weight and balance I went searching for information. As usual I
ended up on Mark's project where he has a very nice table that lists his
weights and moments. I didn't look
"Don't crucify me"
On this site, especially when it comes to engines?
Since I am going liquid cooled let me give my opinion. Weight is definitely an
issue, but so is horse power. I don't care what engine you are interested in,
if it is more than 130 hp you should probably be looking at another
Wow Eduardo what a gorgeous KR! I will spend the rest of the day on your site.
Thanks for the link and keep us posted on the flying.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
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If you want motivation, then look no further than Marc's video. Great job Marc.
One of these days...
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Paradise, Texas
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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Marc Baca
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 12:46 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR>
"How much epoxy (ie gallons) is typically used on a KR2S "
Dan,
Allow me to skew the numbers you have seen so far. As I approach the end of the
build it is one of the things I really try and not focus on too much. The
number of boxes of tongue depressors, Dremel tools, and gallons of acetone I
"Steve is great to talk to and was very polite and helpful..."
Yes he is and probably knows more about KR's than anyone. And if you didn't
know next year's gathering will be in Chino and he is the host so it might be
worth the effort to make the trip. Don't know if a date has been set yet but i
Chris,
Welcome to the group! I would suggest you checkout Mark Langford's airplane on
the KRNet. I believe he is one of the highest time KR flyers with the 3100cc
Corvair. I would also suggest that this airplane is very adaptable. Show up to
any gathering and no two will be the same. If you ne
"it's likely the fittings were painted, so the color wouldn't be obvious"
I can't remember the last time I saw a set that weren't painted. A magnet would
at least let you know they are steel but not necessarily 4130.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
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"My RV buddy bailed at the last minute"
What can you expect from a spam can driver?
Spent last night plotting my course, writing down the frequencies, and checking
the weather. See you guys Friday afternoon.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
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" Beverages will help..."
The Texas Silver Bullet Express will be leaving earrly Friday morning. ETA
MVN 1600 hopefully the last time by car. Looking forward to seeing everyone and
getting my KR fix.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
"I am overwhelmed at what it is going to take to accomplish this mission"
You have already accomplished the hardest part which is the airplane. The
Skyview manuals are very good and so is customer support. I made the "mistake"
of trying to install a very basic audio panel and was never happy wit
"I have always wondered why lycoming and continental have steadfastly
>> stuck to ancient carb"
I have always agreed with this kind of statement but Jeff and Larry are right,
they do work. For those interested in this topic there is a good article in
this month's AOPA on "modern" air cooled eng
"What are your qualifications for making such a statement?"
It has been my experience that most people don't need or have qualifications
for this. When it comes to engines we might as well be talking about politics,
religion, or sex. Most folks have their minds made up and there is no changing
?In my opinion West and Aeropoxy are complete garbage compared to EZ?
Ouch! I can?t agree with you on this one Brian. Although, I started my project
with Hexcel I refused to spend the amount of money for the mixing pump that was
offered at the time. I transitioned to the West System long ago pri
?Thinking of maybe putting Saran wrap between the prop and the hub then
trimming it after torquing the bolts?
Brian,
I have to admit that while I was reading your post the thought of ?wax paper?
was going through my mind?
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
"Ok, now I want one. Dynon and autopilot that is."
In case you didn't know Dynon is now shipping their ADS-B receiver with free
weather, traffic, and TFR's. It really is an incredible system.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
Mike,
Have you got any photo updates?
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of
Mike Sylvester
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:27 PM
To: KRNET
Subject: RE: KR> how sweet it is !
Sounds fantastic
"If there is any interest, I'll be happy to write a summary about flying most
of the country and what I learned about flying with ADSB weather and
specifically, some of the issues I ran into with my iFly and SkyRadar ADSB
receiver."
Sounds like an excellent forum for next year's gathering to
Granted it is three days out but I just checked my site and the guessers now
say only a 20% chance and partly sunny for Saturday. Can't wait to see and talk
KR's!
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
KR Gatherers,
I just flew into St. Louis on business and the only available vehicles were
Dodge Minivans. So I am taking this as a sign of divine intervention and
letting everyone know that I am staying at the Holliday Inn, will be arriving
Friday around noon and will be going back and forth to
"I won't get into the engine debate "
Oh yes he will. Come to the gathering. He gives very good advice and I
incorporated his suggestion into mine.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
"Is anyone flying behind a Subaru engine?"
Clay,
I hopefully will be flying behind one soon so I will respectfully disagree with
Mr. Acklam. In my opinion, your engine choice is based on how you intend to
operate the airplane, what it carries, and your physical size.
If you are lucky enough t
"I've searched the archives and read every old email about
where to get the 2x4x.125 angle stock but I cant find it anywhere"
Christopher,
Aircraft Spruce carries 2 1/2" x 4" x 1/8" angle under the 6061-T6 aluminum
angle drop down.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
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If you have installed one of these would you please contact me off net.
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Paradise, Texas
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"Are the KR's aerobatic?"
Hello Brian,
The simple answer is yes. Now go beyond that and the simplicity ends. As Larry
said and you implied, you are not going to go out and do any "competitive"
aerobatics in a KR. And that is not because the airframe can't handle it but a
lot of other reasons
Dave,
The kits should be the same. I find AS is usually a little less expensive,
sometimes just pennies, but for those of us who live in the Dallas/Fort Worth
area you will get it quicker from Wicks. I can order something Wednesday
morning and it will be waiting for me when I get home on Friday
"Is any of it any good"
I started my project with the original Safety Poxy and loved the color and
smell. Then came Safety Poxy II and it was ok but eventually it went away too.
The only issue I had with these two was mixing them required a little work and
you were always concerned did I mix
"Are there any
flying examples or completed fuselages in the Fort Worth, Texas area I
could visit"
Pete,
I live in Paradise which is about 40 miles northwest of Fort Worth in the
Decatur/Bridgeport area. I am trying to finish up my 2S as quickly as I can so
I can get a plaque at this year's gath
> I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable flying behind and engine that had
> to turn nearly 6000 rpm to make it's power.
So you'd never fly in a jet? ;-)
I find this to be a very interesting issue. One where it really doesn't make
any difference what the facts are but one where people have the
I am beginning to think that the length of my project is going to be measured
in the number of Dremel tools that I have gone through. Are Craftsman or any
other models any better?
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Paradise, Texas
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"How likely is it that I'll be able to install a 9" deep instrument "
Just because there may not be enough room behind the panel doesn't mean you
can't space it out in front of the panel.
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I know what the torque value should be for the 3/8" diameter bolts. My question
is are you using this torque through the wood cross pieces? Even with the large
plate washers I am concerned about crushing the wood.
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"The reason I ask is I think to get the
useful load for my 250lb frame I need to up the wing span to 27 feet. I would
do this by adding 36 inches
to the stub wings."
Yea Craig I had the same concerns. I am 6'-5" and liquid cooled so a stock KR
was out of the question from day one. I went with D
"I like the idea of having the decks removeable but am concerned
with water ingress when the plane stands outside in the rain."
Hello Dene,
Like others have done, the entire top of my airplane is easily removable. I
made my front and aft turtle decks the same way you make a lot of
foam/fiberg
Hello Stef,
If you are building a 2S then the firewall has already been reinforced for a
100 HP engine. Actually the framing behind the firewall is what was changed.
The top cross beams and shelf were all increased and I believe the gussets are
also larger if I remember correctly. I will make o
"I pulled the gear and with no trouble found the gear cracked at the top."
And this is exactly why my engine mount and nose gear are currently being
powder coated gloss white.
Stephen Teate
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Fort Worth, Texas 76109
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"Make sure you accurately calculate the
C.G.range for safe flight. It will shift aft considerably during flight."
You are absolutely correct. Add to this the known flight characteristics of
KR's with aft C.G.'s and my self-imposed limit of 2" from the aft C.G. limit
and you end up with a real
"What different types of Header tank hold downs are being used in the KR?"
I am using a single aluminum header tank for simplicity reasons. My tank spans
from top longeron to top longeron and is rather uniquely shaped on the back
side due to instruments and radios. It also has a bend in it to ac
Mc Master Car has clear tygon and they also sell an adhesive backed ruler that
would work great behind the tube along with the float and you should be set.
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"I've already heard some of the negatives from others, but does anyone have a
list of positives?"
Both Jeff Scott and Jeff York have responded to this and made excellent
comments to be considered. I admit I am biased to the positive side of turbo's
so I will add my opinion.
As far as more pipi
"I have not heard of anyone doing this, but has anyone put a ventral fin on a
KR?"
I have indeed added a ventral fin to the aft end of my fuselage. I did this for
two reasons, to provide an aerodynamic fairing for my tail tie down eyelet and
to provide a fairing for my "bumper wheel". I have a S
"i was wondering if flaps or belly board would be better"
Definitely flaps. The flaps will increase lift, the belly board just increases
drag. In a short field situation you want to be off the ground as soon as
possible so one notch of flaps will help that where as one notch of belly board
prod
"I guess I'm looking for pros and cons more than anything."
The most abused components on airplanes are tires and wheel pants. Even if you
don't operate off grass or dirt strips they just take a beating especially if
they are in the prop wash which basically means sand blasted. Already mentioned
"More crazy ideas from the Sea Fury guy. I got a million of them."
Believe me when I say I understand the call of the Warbird. My next kit will be
a Titan built to look like a Focke Wulf 190-D9. But we are talking KR's here.
The reason they perform as well as they do is because they are relativ
"maybe this fellow is misinformed. Fair and balanced, you decide!"
I saw and read that too. My vote is misinformed as no known failure of said
fittings or bolts and previous tests have shown that area to probably be the
strongest in the entire airframe.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
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Its Friday and obviously I have not been to the KR Net since April or I would
have asked you about this at Oshkosh. It looks like you got to meet Kacie at
Sun-n-Fun. I got to me her and her co-worker Kate at Oshkosh last month. In
fact I am "wearing" Kate today. If any of you guys are nose art f
"What is the preferred lubricant for aileron piano hinges and RR elevator and
rudder bolt hinges? How do you put it where it will do some good?"
I use LPS 2 but LPS 1 could probably be used also. You want a spray type
lubricant that comes with a spray tube so that you can put it right where it
"Now I'm wondering if it's wise to use the turbo on my REVMASTER"
I am a big fan of Turbos so that will tell you about my bias. They are
absolutely wonderful little things and about as close as you can get to free
power especially in an aircraft application.
They are not however without issue
"If there ARE other A&Ps reading & 'using' this net we need to start
monitoring this net a bit more closely and offering our advice to our fellow
builders (and pilots, also, for that matter.)"
Forgive me while I respond to two posts with one reply. Like Jeff's response I
am also an A&P an
"would use the 90 degree. Am I correct in this?"
If memory serves the 45 degree plywood is used on wings for torsional strength.
Which is the same reason the KR uses the fiberglass weave on a 45 degree on its
wing. Your 90 degree orientation should be fine.
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
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When I started "finishing" my KR Mark sent me this link. It is excellent and it
works, at least read it because it does shoot down some of the old ideas of
filling, sanding, filling, sanding...etc. You probably know this but I will go
ahead and say it anyway. You are now at the most critical vis
I will be installing my shoulder harnesses this weekend. They are the "H" type
and my question is, where does the cross piece go? I have seen them in front
across the chest and also just behind the neck. I can think of a couple of
reasons for each location so maybe it doesn't matter but I want t
"Does any one know what the performance figuires are for the KR2S with a
Jabiru 3300 engine? Rate of climb, Cruise, etc"
I believe Ken Thomas's KR2S is now powered by a Jabaru but I can't remember if
it was the 2200 or the 3300. You can see his plane under the "Completed List"
on the KR Intern
Like a lot of folks that looked at the recommended shelf attachment I was a
little skeptical of the strength. But I think the shelf can be used. What I did
was to used a 4" x ¼" plywood above and below the top longerons with 5/8" stock
from side to side in the front and rear of these shear webs.
"I hope the weather Gods do cooperate."
I just checked and "Big Chief No Cloud" has done his dance. Through
Saturday morning (as far as my site goes out) nothing but sunshine,
upper 50's for lows, low 80's for highs, winds out of the NNE less than
ten and chance of precipitation 12% or less. I s
Wow Larry I just checked the latest guess. Whatever you are doing, it is
working.
See you Thursday,
Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas
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