On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Christi Rockwell wrote:
> I changed my mind about posting this. I was going to respect Deidre's
> list, but if she's going to slander me anytime I end up in a group
> with my ex I don't feel much respect for the bitch.
Pot kettle black.
Sorry, but I believe you committed li
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, lou wrote:
> > The point is that there is a handicap on how we were raised and if you
> > have been able to do that, good for you, not everyone has the
> > resources to do that.
>
> No, you'd rather be a downtrodden soul, right? Or am I missing someth
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The first stage in being able to change yourself is recognising
> yourself, recognising parts of yourself, and recognising blindnesses
> you have.
Granted.
> Most people who are sexist (to themselves or to others) don't recognise
> it in their own
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> (dunno if you noticed, btw, but the person I was responding to had a male
> name and I presumed the person was male, not female. I don't think, based
> on your reaction, that you were aware of this?)
I wasn't. Is it relevent to the issue?
> But, as you have taken issue
"but the person I was responding to had a male
> name and I presumed the person was male, not female"
Assumptions are funny things. I happen to know a number of women name Lou,
myself included. Just to set the record straight.
Ms. Lou
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Subject: Re: [grrltalk] Idea for Linuxchix groups and LUGs and so on
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:14:35 -0400
From: "Margaret Leber (KB3DXS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> But it got me think
in the journal of economic literature in either winter or spring 1996 or
1997 has an interesting symposium on the pay difference between men and
women. it contains 4 abstracts-articles with topics ranging from
socio-economic reasons to an economic model that includes sociological
variables lik
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Margaret Leber (KB3DXS) wrote:
> Well, I started in 1968, and I do remeber punched cards, teletypes and
> FORTRAN...and other "fun" stuff about early computing. If any groups within
> reasonable travel of the Philadelphia area are interested drop me a line.
Maggie, mom's got
There are two topics here. The second is labelled CATFIGHT.
To a large degree, I think I agree with Deirdre that everyone needs to
take responsibility for their own well-being, status etc. I too see
blame as largely irrelevant.
I'm going to come at this from two angles, so bear with me thro
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> (dunno if you noticed, btw, but the person I was responding to had a male
> name and I presumed the person was male, not female. I don't think, based
> on your reaction, that you were aware of this?)
You'd think having a (female) friend named vinnie
> You'd think having a (female) friend named vinnie would cure you of
> this automatic gender assignation
I have been working with a woman in the extended degree program named
"chris". I know she's a woman because I've seen her and dealt with her for
a while, but I can ONLY imagine how unnerving
On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 10:03:34AM +1200, Simon Britnell wrote:
>
> This has me thinking about the following questions:
> 1) What are the essential features of a "cat fight"
> 2) Why do I see them as a female thing
> I suspect the answer to 1 is complex and the answer to 2 has to do with
>
"But the baggage of what men are "supposed to" do is
equally odious and I was trying to bring that up (such as bringing up the
issue of custody/child support)."
We are all socialized in our society and it starts at birth and continues on
in life, school, tv, magazines etc. Each gender has to giv
"There seems to be two poles of attitude, summed up thus:
1) "I have a problem, but nobody else gives a shit, so I'm either going
to fix it myself or suffer."
2) "I have a problem, but somebody else caused it, so I'm going to
demand that they fix it"
There are actually more than two poles here,
On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 04:05:01PM -0700, Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> It drives me nuts to have my name spelled wrong, let alone have someone
> assume it's of a different gender... I can't imagine how you deal with it
> (other than getting used to it, like having your name spelled wrong ;o)).
And
You mean your NOT male :) (evil laughter)
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BTW NEVER name your children chris* there are just TOO many of us in the
world already!!!
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Simon Britnell wrote:
> She tells me that what she's decided she really wants to do is "be a
> housewife", but that she feels social pressure to go and "be something".
> I find that interesting given the general complaints I hear are the
> other way around.
Yup. That pressure exists, and is quit
On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 07:50:41PM -0400, lou wrote:
> born, the woman usually has primary care for it. Often the father goes out
> without ever needing to worry about childcare because the mother is at home,
> where the mother usually has to ask the father to babysit. A mother is
> usually th
Jamie Walker wrote:
> I spend a lot of time looking after kids that aren't mine, simply because
> I like doing it. You can rest assured that if/when it comes to having
> kids of my own, I will be spending a *lot* of time looking after them.
> Despite this, the prevailing attitudes in this country
On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Simon Britnell wrote:
> To a large degree, I think I agree with Deirdre that everyone needs to
> take responsibility for their own well-being, status etc. I too see
> blame as largely irrelevant.
Well, it's not only irrelevant, it's counterproductive. As long as it's
someone
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> It drives me nuts to have my name spelled wrong, let alone have
> someone assume it's of a different gender... I can't imagine how you
> deal with it (other than getting used to it, like having your name
> spelled wrong ;o)).
Vinnie gets misstaken fo
I just wanted to apologize to everyone else on the list for my post to
Deidre last night. I should know better than to post when I'm upset. I
wouldn't presume to speak for Deidre (she's done that for herself), but I
will keep my personal soap opera out of here to the extent that I can. (I
can't
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> Well, it's not only irrelevant, it's counterproductive. As long as it's
> someone else's fault, nothing can be done to help minimize or solve the
> problems.
I disagree.
Regardless of whose fault something is, anyone can act to minimize or
solve it.
For an everyday phy
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Christi Rockwell wrote:
> I just wanted to apologize to everyone else on the list for my post to
> Deidre last night. I should know better than to post when I'm upset.
> I wouldn't presume to speak for Deidre (she's done that for herself),
> but I will keep my personal soap
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> Your apology is not accepted.
>
> You don't belong here.
>
> Go away.
I'm going to clarify this, whether any of you want to hear it or not. I'll
do it before I get more mail on it (about 1/2 supportive and about 1/2
negative thus far).
1) Christi h
My dad's first calculator, that didn't have a handle you pulled, was a huge
Nixie tube unit that took up an enormous amount of desktop real estate. He
did land surveying calculations on it. I remember staring at it for ages,
while the display changed, trying to figure out the order of the numbers
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